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(The Daily Beast)   US Special Ops' releases lengthy weapons wish list, showing they want lots of lasers, dog air conditioners and body armour that looks like normal clothes. Well, who doesn't?   (thedailybeast.com) divider line 57
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2014-04-09 08:43:00 AM  
"dog air conditioners" ... I think that means giving the poor pooch some of your bottled water, meathead.
 
2014-04-09 09:34:36 AM  

gopher321: "dog air conditioners" ... I think that means giving the poor pooch some of your bottled water, meathead.


OTOH, a functional air conditioner for dogs would probably sell pretty well in the civilian market here in the US. People will buy just about anything for their dogs.

/Clear my workbench
//I gotta get started
 
2014-04-09 09:35:50 AM  
A Gauss rifle would be badass.  Also an EMP weapon would be equally cool.
 
2014-04-09 09:36:31 AM  
Phased Plasma Rifle in a 40 Watt range
 
2014-04-09 09:38:36 AM  

FullMetalPanda: Phased Plasma Rifle in a 40 Watt range


Just about everything you see in video games.
 
2014-04-09 09:39:40 AM  
Heat and cold reactive clothing, that keeps you at a constant temperature? Yes please. It would make wearing a suit jacket, tier, button down shirt, undershirt, dress pants, black socks and dress shoes bearable.
 
2014-04-09 09:40:33 AM  
What is fascinating about this list isn't just that it tells us what capabilities U.S. special operations forces want. It also tells us what capabilities they  don't have. don't want the public to know about.

FTFrealworld

/the CIA developed (or were invested in the development of) a directed energy weapon that can stop your heart, at range, while resembling a heart attack, in the mid 1980s
//what do you think they can do now?
 
2014-04-09 09:42:04 AM  
www.users.pjwstk.edu.pl
 
2014-04-09 09:46:22 AM  

gopher321: "dog air conditioners" ... I think that means giving the poor pooch some of your bottled water, meathead.


Dogs, unlike humans, aren't endurance animals. They lack the ability to radiate body heat efficiently, it's not a matter of hydration.
 
2014-04-09 09:46:44 AM  
New generations of body armor such as "dragon skin" are pretty close to what they want or next generation armor made from exotic materials like carbon nanotube fabric aren't too far off. Interesting list.
 
2014-04-09 09:53:14 AM  

Fubini: gopher321: "dog air conditioners" ... I think that means giving the poor pooch some of your bottled water, meathead.

Dogs, unlike humans, aren't endurance animals. They lack the ability to radiate body heat efficiently, it's not a matter of hydration.


To add on, lots of four legged critters cool primarily through their lungs, and when running, their skeletal-muscle structure limits them to one breath per stride.
 
2014-04-09 09:55:06 AM  
Hah, this sounds pretty cloak & dagger:

Concealable Vehicle Antennas

Desired Capability:
ARSOF requires a low‐visibility/ concealable vehicle antennas for
communications and/ or Electronic Countermeasures (ECM)

Current Limitations: ARSOF conducts missions where indigenous vehicles are required for
low visibility operations. Vehicles must have no obvious indications of special antennas for
unique communications or other equipment. The antenna could be a temporary window mounted
antenna. The antenna should be generally transparent, or in the form of a benign object (portable
window shades, tissue boxes, magazines, books, etc.) typically seen on the back shelf of
vehicles.
 
2014-04-09 09:58:18 AM  

imashark: [www.users.pjwstk.edu.pl image 850x632]


No sights, no trigger guard or safety, awkward to hold, for the type 1 particularly it would be easy for your hand to get in the way of the emitter, prone to explosive overload and overpowered(why would you ever need a handheld siege cannon/anti-vehicle weapon?) Generally a very poor design that's almost as dangerous to the user as the enemy.
 
2014-04-09 09:59:43 AM  
Hide yo' Twitter, hide yo' Facebook.

Social Media Intelligence Analysis
 
Desired Capability: ARSOF requires an effective and easy to use Open Source Intelligence 
(OSINT) system that strategically supports tactical intelligence collection management and 
involves finding, selecting, acquiring, and potentially translating information from publicly 
available sources and analyzing collected information to produce actionable tactical intelligence 
in support of ARSOF mission sets. ARSOF also requires assessment metrics (Measures of 
Effectiveness (MOE) and Measures of Performance (MOP)) to properly assess the effectiveness 
of OSINT within the full range of ARSOF engagement and influence activities. 
 
Current Limitations: ARSOF does not currently have a simplified way to leverage open source
and social media data to extract meaningful terms, phrases, and sentences from unstructured 
data, and then label them as having negative, positive, or neutral sentiment and plot them 
geospatially and temporally in a Common Operational Picture to support the full spectrum of 
modern military operations.
 
2014-04-09 10:02:22 AM  

Voiceofreason01: New generations of body armor such as "dragon skin" are pretty close to what they want or next generation armor made from exotic materials like carbon nanotube fabric aren't too far off. Interesting list.


There already exists a proof of concept.

www.piccer.nl
/While cool, it is unclear if it keeps the wearer cool
 
2014-04-09 10:05:51 AM  
Shoot, a fella could have a pretty good weekend in Vegas with all that stuff.


And who wouldn't like a good las rifle and clothes that are body armor?
img3.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2014-04-09 10:06:45 AM  

Fubini: Hide yo' Twitter, hide yo' Facebook.

Social Media Intelligence Analysis
 
Desired Capability: ARSOF requires an effective and easy to use Open Source Intelligence 
(OSINT) system that strategically supports tactical intelligence collection management and 
involves finding, selecting, acquiring, and potentially translating information from publicly 
available sources and analyzing collected information to produce actionable tactical intelligence 
in support of ARSOF mission sets. ARSOF also requires assessment metrics (Measures of 
Effectiveness (MOE) and Measures of Performance (MOP)) to properly assess the effectiveness 
of OSINT within the full range of ARSOF engagement and influence activities. 
 
Current Limitations: ARSOF does not currently have a simplified way to leverage open source
and social media data to extract meaningful terms, phrases, and sentences from unstructured 
data, and then label them as having negative, positive, or neutral sentiment and plot them 
geospatially and temporally in a Common Operational Picture to support the full spectrum of 
modern military operations.


We all saw how effectively social media was used to organize protesters during the 2011 protests in Egypt and the fear is that similar tactics can be(and currently are) being used against American troops on the ground. ie: Someone living near an American base tweets or posts to facebook that a convoy is leaving so that an ambush can be set up further down the route or similar tactics are used to organize a large scale attack instead of a peaceful protest. That the same technology could be used to illegally spy on civilians is a secondary concern if you're USASOC.
 
2014-04-09 10:06:58 AM  
Yep. Sure, gonna get right on that.

All Terrain Vehicle
 
Desired Capability: ARSOF requires a ground mobility platform that is truly " All Terrain" 
Water, Mountains, Desert, Helo Transportable, Snow, and Marsh.. 
 
Current Limitations: ARSOF has to use different vehicles for different environments (e.g. 
snow, mountain trails, water, etc...). ARSOF needs a true all terrain vehicle that can meet all 
mission requirements. 
 
Possible Materiel Solution Technical Approaches:
 Blade based hover craft systems. 
 Sonic, magnetic or propulsion based technologies which do not contact the ground.
 
2014-04-09 10:12:59 AM  
So, either the US Military knows something about anti-gravity that we don't, or someone over at R&D is blowing smoke out of their ass.
 
2014-04-09 10:20:07 AM  

Fubini: So, either the US Military knows something about anti-gravity that we don't, or someone over at R&D is blowing smoke out of their ass.


Isn't the Earth's core iron?  Molten iron, doesn't that magnetize?  Isn't that how our compasses and crap work?  I have to imagine if you get the right "frequency" you can repulse from the Earth to "float"
 
2014-04-09 10:20:27 AM  

Fubini: So, either the US Military knows something about anti-gravity that we don't, or someone over at R&D is blowing smoke out of their ass.


All I know is that once I get hover tanks in Alpha Centauri my army is unstoppable.
 
2014-04-09 10:31:16 AM  

FullMetalPanda: Fubini: So, either the US Military knows something about anti-gravity that we don't, or someone over at R&D is blowing smoke out of their ass.

Isn't the Earth's core iron?  Molten iron, doesn't that magnetize?  Isn't that how our compasses and crap work?  I have to imagine if you get the right "frequency" you can repulse from the Earth to "float"


Magnetism isn't that strong over that much distance. Your compass works because the magnetic needle is incredibly tiny. They want vehicles that can carry 200-300lbs of man and equipment.
 
2014-04-09 10:32:11 AM  

FullMetalPanda: Fubini: So, either the US Military knows something about anti-gravity that we don't, or someone over at R&D is blowing smoke out of their ass.

Isn't the Earth's core iron?  Molten iron, doesn't that magnetize?  Isn't that how our compasses and crap work?  I have to imagine if you get the right "frequency" you can repulse from the Earth to "float"


You'd probably need at least North America's entire power output to generate a magnetic field strong enough to float a car.
 
2014-04-09 10:44:21 AM  

To The Escape Zeppelin!: FullMetalPanda: Fubini: So, either the US Military knows something about anti-gravity that we don't, or someone over at R&D is blowing smoke out of their ass.

Isn't the Earth's core iron?  Molten iron, doesn't that magnetize?  Isn't that how our compasses and crap work?  I have to imagine if you get the right "frequency" you can repulse from the Earth to "float"

You'd probably need at least North America's entire power output to generate a magnetic field strong enough to float a car.


You're telling me we can split an atom that will release enough energy to destroy a city but we can't figure out a way to agitate some atoms to cause something to repulse?
 
2014-04-09 11:05:35 AM  

FullMetalPanda: You're telling me we can split an atom that will release enough energy to destroy a city but we can't figure out a way to agitate some atoms to cause something to repulse?


Sure we can. As long as it's hovering a 1/4 in. over a superconductor it's easy.
 
2014-04-09 11:08:53 AM  
They need these.

d2kplus.com
 
2014-04-09 11:16:51 AM  

grinding_journalist: What is fascinating about this list isn't just that it tells us what capabilities U.S. special operations forces want. It also tells us what capabilities they  don't have. don't want the public to know about.

FTFrealworld


You can bet your granny's fanny pack that TFA is disinfo.

/the CIA developed (or were invested in the development of) a directed energy weapon that can stop your heart, at range, while resembling a heart attack, in the mid 1980s
//what do you think they can do now?


Hey kids, do ya think smart phones could be remotely activated to do something like that?  How about cell towers?  Or at the very least as EM mind control weapons?  Crazy, crazy questions I know!  Nobody would ever do that, of course.

But if they wanted to, the brain operates thought processes via EM.  Ultra-low frequency sound weapons are also effective, especially when paired with TV broadcast, and ionization of the air can get people fired up or make them passive sheeple.  The USA would never do any of this.  But these have been available since the 1970s.  Not that ANYONE has used them, of course.  Especially not the good ol freedom-loving US government.
 
2014-04-09 11:32:53 AM  
How about a battlemech?
 
2014-04-09 11:39:53 AM  
TFA: Lie detectors.These would go far beyond polygraphs. The Army is interested in spotting lies by detecting infrared changes in a suspect's temperature, or by measuring the dilation of his pupils and pores.

Heavens to Betsy, there are still people who think that this works?
"Yup, when I held my Ka-Bar under this guy's throat and accused him of being a terrorist, my scanner said that he showed signs of stress.  So totally a terrorist."
 
2014-04-09 12:00:16 PM  

RangerTaylor: They need these.

[d2kplus.com image 560x440]


They've already got one, you see:

broeder10.files.wordpress.com

Its amazing how much of that list looks like it was cribbed from the old TRAVELLER RPG
supplement MERCENARY.
 
2014-04-09 12:02:52 PM  

MythDragon: And who wouldn't like a good las rifle and clothes that are body armor?


Ahh, the good ole' flashlight and tissue paper army.

/FOR THE EMPEROR!

FullMetalPanda: Phased Plasma Rifle in a 40 Watt range


img.fark.net
"Hey, just what you see pal."
 
2014-04-09 01:09:00 PM  
I'm not entirely sure what they mean by "non-lethal" laser weapons... This isn't Star Trek, and lasers don't work that way. I believe we have something like what they're suggesting, it's called a flashlight (or a torch, I guess?)

What we need is gauss cannon taser weapon. Essentially, it's a magnetic driver that flings a tiny tungsten rod at a high enough velocity to generate a plasma sheath, trailing this rod is a superconductive material of incredible thinness. Then just run some voltage through the filament after firing. The magnetic field generated by the tungsten should capture the electrical current inside of it, generating a devastating EMP effect. Granted. I'm not a physicist so the math probably doesn't work out. Still a pretty cool concept though.
 
2014-04-09 01:14:31 PM  
 
2014-04-09 01:24:12 PM  

Sanguine Dawn: I'm not entirely sure what they mean by "non-lethal" laser weapons...


They want something that runs the range from "bright enough to dazzle someone if you shine it in their eyes" to "can cause minor burns" to "lethal weapon". The ideal is to equip soldiers with a combat weapon that gives them more options when facing a crowd than shooting at civilians or retreating but still allows them to engage enemy combatants.
 
2014-04-09 01:34:02 PM  
kind of a tangent here, but did anyone notice the weapons used in "Divergent" were coil guns? I found it more than a little interesting.
 
2014-04-09 01:50:37 PM  

Voiceofreason01: No sights, no trigger guard or safety, awkward to hold, for the type 1 particularly it would be easy for your hand to get in the way of the emitter, prone to explosive overload and overpowered(why would you ever need a handheld siege cannon/anti-vehicle weapon?) Generally a very poor design that's almost as dangerous to the user as the enemy.


www.geocities.ws
 
2014-04-09 01:52:07 PM  
Also... phbbbbbhbbhbbhbbbhb...
 
2014-04-09 01:58:34 PM  

imashark: Also... phbbbbbhbbhbbhbbbhb...


lol. Touché.
 
2014-04-09 02:07:52 PM  

FullMetalPanda: Phased Plasma Rifle in a 40 Watt range


I could never understand why this is supposed to sound badass. I know plasma has some crazy properties, but we're talking about a power output lower than that of a freaking desk lamp.

/or even just a regular desk lamp...
 
m00
2014-04-09 02:08:53 PM  
Thank god special forces gets more toys instead of citizens getting socialized medicine, extended unemployment insurance, or government services.
 
2014-04-09 02:14:52 PM  

m00: Thank god special forces gets more toys instead of citizens getting socialized medicine, extended unemployment insurance, or government services.


The whole idea of special forces is that you can accomplish your military goals with a relatively cheap, small, well trained and equipped force rather than a large standing army.
 
2014-04-09 02:37:44 PM  

That Guy What Stole the Bacon: FullMetalPanda: Phased Plasma Rifle in a 40 Watt range

I could never understand why this is supposed to sound badass. I know plasma has some crazy properties, but we're talking about a power output lower than that of a freaking desk lamp.

/or even just a regular desk lamp...



The sun is made of plasma.  Therefore, when we say "plasma rifle", what we mean is "rifle that shoots blasts of face-melting solar death-flame". How is that NOT badass?
 
2014-04-09 02:38:12 PM  

Fubini: So, either the US Military knows something about anti-gravity that we don't, or someone over at R&D is blowing smoke out of their ass.


From what I understand, these are requests. I'm sure some scientist in a corner at DoD is thinking about this problem, but I'm sure it's not actually be worked on. SOF guys are usually pretty sharp as well as being in ridiculous shape. They probably know there's no hovercrafts or anti-gravity vehicles. I bet it was the product of some "know what would be cool" conversation as they were trying to ford a river in a humvee. Then when DoD asked them what they wished they could have, some smartass said "a hovercraft."
 
2014-04-09 02:43:10 PM  

Ivandrago: Fubini: So, either the US Military knows something about anti-gravity that we don't, or someone over at R&D is blowing smoke out of their ass.

From what I understand, these are requests. I'm sure some scientist in a corner at DoD is thinking about this problem, but I'm sure it's not actually be worked on. SOF guys are usually pretty sharp as well as being in ridiculous shape. They probably know there's no hovercrafts or anti-gravity vehicles. I bet it was the product of some "know what would be cool" conversation as they were trying to ford a river in a humvee. Then when DoD asked them what they wished they could have, some smartass said "a hovercraft."


Eels not included.
 
m00
2014-04-09 02:53:22 PM  

Voiceofreason01: The whole idea of special forces is that you can accomplish your military goals with a relatively cheap, small, well trained and equipped force rather than a large standing army.


Has that ever worked out for us? It also ignores the Powell Doctrine, which was a hard lesson we learned in Vietnam.
 
2014-04-09 03:03:17 PM  

m00: Voiceofreason01: The whole idea of special forces is that you can accomplish your military goals with a relatively cheap, small, well trained and equipped force rather than a large standing army.

Has that ever worked out for us? It also ignores the Powell Doctrine, which was a hard lesson we learned in Vietnam.


That's how most of Europe runs their militaries and while that's not necessarily a model we want to emulate there is serious talk about stepping down the size of our standing force now that we're pretty much done with Iraq and Afghanistan.
 
2014-04-09 03:09:57 PM  
i210.photobucket.com
 
2014-04-09 03:19:14 PM  

That Guy What Stole the Bacon: FullMetalPanda: Phased Plasma Rifle in a 40 Watt range

I could never understand why this is supposed to sound badass. I know plasma has some crazy properties, but we're talking about a power output lower than that of a freaking desk lamp.

/or even just a regular desk lamp...



MANUFACTURER:
Westinghouse Automated Manufactory,
Block A5, Sector 4, 
Tulsa OK, USA, North America
Also available in template form at any Series III or higher construction facility

PRODUCTION:
02:10:2005 to 09:20:2015 A.D.  Limited production batches until 2029 A.D.

Model A1 production run from inception to 2008 A.D.  Improved Gain Model A2 production run from 2008 A.D.  High Gain model A3 production run from 2011 A.D. until 2018 A.D.  Replaced in service by M95A1 weapon system at that time.

TYPE:
Personal, fully portable very high energy weapon system
CONSTRUCTION:
Enduralloy components mated to carbon fiber and moly fiber carrier, misc. plastics and metals with superconducting filaments.
OPERATION:
Level III magnetic field containment of refined hydrogen fuel excited with thermal rapid pulse chemical high energy laser ignition system.  High percentage of component mass of plasma pulse cartridge forms core of pulse and transitory lining of magnetic bottle during pulse initialization.
BORE SIZE:
7mm / 4mm magnetically stabilized and insulated smoothbore
WEIGHT:
3.35kg, unloaded. Loaded box magazine of 40 plasma pulse cartridges weighs 1.5kg
Battery (charged or discharged) weighs 1kg

Total loaded weapon weight: 5.85kg
DIMENSIONS:
Length overall, 1.05 meters (1050mm)
AMMUNITION:
M109T5 PPC plasma pulse cartridge, 7mm x 50mm, loaded into staggered box magazine
Type 3AM8 very high density crystal matrix battery, provides power for 120 shots (3 magazines)
FEED SOURCE:
40 round box magazine, standard.  Optional 60 round staggered box magazine and 120 round drum magazine.
RATE OF FIRE:
60 pulses per minute (ppm) initial, 30 ppm sustained given cooling cycle.  Onboard diagnostic and safety interface systems prevent weapon overheating by locking out firing system if core temp rises beyond acceptable levels.  Semi-automatic cycling only.
PROJECTILE:
0.32 Mj phased plasma bolt, flow wash temp at +4500 degrees
MUZZLE VELOCITY:
Staged hand-off coils accelerate bolt to a velocity of 9000 meters per second (9.0kps).
MAXIMUM RANGE:
2000 meters (bolt integrity destabilizes and cohesion factor approaches .85% dispersal).  Bolt reaches maximum range in 0.22 seconds.
EFFECTIVE RANGE:
750 meters (at this point bolt begins to lose cohesion, dispersal factor starts to rise).  Bolt reaches effective range in 0.083 seconds.
PERFORMANCE:
Contact hit produces 5mm diameter entry point forming destructive tunneling of target material through kinetic energy and super thermal contact.  Upon negative penetration or contact with a superior surface, bolt will destabilize into high speed thermal tributary fragments with a one meter lethal splash radius.  Laser excited, magnetically accelerated 5mm x 400mm pre-emptive phased conversion thermal bolt will penetrate 4cm of case hardened steel up to effective range with loss of overall penetration commensurate with range after that.  Immediate transfer of thermo-kinetic energy to soft target tissues and standing fluids rated at greater than 95% with high speed liquid to vapor thermal expansion.  High duration of residual thermal effects noted in hard surfaces struck by plasma fire.  Explosive displacement of up to one cubic meter of material may result from bolt impact with material having trapped water or water vapor inside (porous rock, concrete, masonry, etc.) with lethal spall out to one point five meters from point of explosive decoupling of material cohesive structure.
DAMAGE INDEX:
Consistent Damage Index of 95 / 3.5 representing at effective range the 5mm x 400mm bolt will penetrate 95cm of standard ballistic gelatin with a wound channel radiating out 3.5 cm from the point of impact narrowing from that radius in accordance with depth and tensile strength of target material as the bolt loses temperature and velocity.  This index rating does not take into account any standing liquids such as water or blood that may be encountered as such liquids will be instantaneously vaporized thus greatly increasing the wound channel radius through flash heating causing high velocity steam expansion and lethal bursting of soft tissues over a large volume of body area.
 
2014-04-09 03:22:22 PM  

Son of Thunder: That Guy What Stole the Bacon: FullMetalPanda: Phased Plasma Rifle in a 40 Watt range

I could never understand why this is supposed to sound badass. I know plasma has some crazy properties, but we're talking about a power output lower than that of a freaking desk lamp.

/or even just a regular desk lamp...


The sun is made of plasma.  Therefore, when we say "plasma rifle", what we mean is "rifle that shoots blasts of face-melting solar death-flame". How is that NOT badass?


... because 40 watts is WAAAAY less energy than the Sun's 3.846 × 10^26 watts? I mean, it's basically the difference between a badass immense cosmic nuclear furnace and a badass cigarette lighter.
 
2014-04-09 03:32:56 PM  
FullMetalPanda:PROJECTILE:
0.32 Mj phased plasma bolt, flow wash temp at +4500 degrees



0.32 Megajoules output over the course of 1 second is equal to 390 Kilowatts. 40 Watts is equal to 0.00004 Megajoules per second.
 
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