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(Contact Music)   Michael Palin: "Much of Monty Python was crap, it really was"   (contactmusic.com ) divider line
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2014-04-09 05:24:23 AM  
???

Compared to what?
 
2014-04-09 05:36:59 AM  
Anything experimental is.  But that crap was hugely overshadowed by the occasional slices of sheer genius.
 
2014-04-09 06:24:40 AM  
But was it Crunchy?
 
2014-04-09 07:54:29 AM  

colinspooky: Anything experimental is.  But that crap was hugely overshadowed by the occasional slices of sheer genius.


Well put.  He's not wrong, a lot of it is pretty much crap but the good parts are amazing.
/Life of Brian > Holy Grail
 
2014-04-09 07:54:39 AM  
Well, like any sketch show, it was about a third crap, a third decent, and a third brilliant.

The Pythons brilliance was just better than most.
 
2014-04-09 08:00:58 AM  

FirstNationalBastard: Well, like any sketch show, it was about a third crap, a third decent, and a third brilliant.

The Pythons brilliance was just better than most.


I can live with this.
 
2014-04-09 08:02:19 AM  
No it wasn't
 
2014-04-09 08:03:23 AM  

dittybopper: FirstNationalBastard: Well, like any sketch show, it was about a third crap, a third decent, and a third brilliant.

The Pythons brilliance was just better than most.

I can live with this.


Good, because I'd hate to see you pining for the fjords.
 
2014-04-09 08:04:01 AM  
Someone should show him Fark TV, and have him get back to us.
 
2014-04-09 08:10:11 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: No it wasn't


Is this a five-minute argument or the full half hour?
 
2014-04-09 08:12:17 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: No it wasn't


+1
 
2014-04-09 08:21:31 AM  

FirstNationalBastard: dittybopper: FirstNationalBastard: Well, like any sketch show, it was about a third crap, a third decent, and a third brilliant.

The Pythons brilliance was just better than most.

I can live with this.

Good, because I'd hate to see you pining for the fjords.


Pinin' for the fjords?  What kind of talk is that?
 
2014-04-09 08:40:31 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: No it wasn't


Yes it was.
 
2014-04-09 08:42:13 AM  
You can tell me, I'm a vet, you know.
 
GTP
2014-04-09 08:43:47 AM  

loki see loki do: MaudlinMutantMollusk: No it wasn't

Yes it was.


Oh look, this isn't an argument!  It's just contradiction!
 
2014-04-09 08:47:35 AM  
Certainly was true of season 4
 
2014-04-09 08:49:19 AM  

GTP: Oh look, this isn't an argument! It's just contradiction!


Well I can't argue with you unless I take a contradictory position.

/they have a few episodes that I hardly chuckled at, so not everything was brilliant
 
2014-04-09 08:51:38 AM  
In their active years, Python did a lot of stuff.
Sure, only maybe 15 - 20% of it was gold -- but that's still a whole lot of brilliant stuff.
 
2014-04-09 08:51:58 AM  

BICYCLE REPAIRMAN!!



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2014-04-09 08:52:00 AM  
Stuff like this should not remembered for the % of good stuff, but just how great the best stuff was.  The same can be said for SCTV and SNL in the early years.  Those shows hit on about 10-20% of the skits, but those 10-20% were not just good, they were great.
 
2014-04-09 08:52:20 AM  
MaudlinMutantMollusk

No it wasn't

It's people like you wot cause unrest!

# ALBATROSS!
 
2014-04-09 08:52:24 AM  
It was too silly.
 
2014-04-09 08:53:10 AM  

ristst: GTP: Oh look, this isn't an argument! It's just contradiction!

Well I can't argue with you unless I take a contradictory position.

/they have a few episodes that I hardly chuckled at, so not everything was brilliant


Well, that's not a reasonable standard. No one expects everything to be brilliant.
 
2014-04-09 08:55:40 AM  
Also, by  Sturgeon's Law, 90% of everything is crap.
 
2014-04-09 08:57:53 AM  

Barring Dead Parrot and the Spanish Inquisition sketches, Michael Palin doesn't look badly fondly on Monty Python.


You try to tell the young people of today that, and they won't believe you.
 
2014-04-09 08:58:26 AM  

jso2897: ristst: GTP: Oh look, this isn't an argument! It's just contradiction!

Well I can't argue with you unless I take a contradictory position.

/they have a few episodes that I hardly chuckled at, so not everything was brilliant

Well, that's not a reasonable standard. No one expects everything to be brilliant.


Say that to a network exec and see what happens.
 
2014-04-09 09:03:39 AM  
Certainly the last season without Cleese wasn't very good.
 
2014-04-09 09:04:03 AM  
Michael Palin: "Much of Monty Python was crap, it really was"

and yet smug fat guys will continue to quote them every chance they get, ad nauseum.
 
2014-04-09 09:06:39 AM  

nekom: colinspooky: Anything experimental is.  But that crap was hugely overshadowed by the occasional slices of sheer genius.

Well put.  He's not wrong, a lot of it is pretty much crap but the good parts are amazing.
/Life of Brian > Holy Grail


Brian was better written, but Grail was better directed. Terry Jones isn't a very good director, he tends to film things like it was TV.
 
2014-04-09 09:09:10 AM  
Michael Palin: Much of Monty Python was crap, it really was.

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John Cleese: No it wasn't.
 
2014-04-09 09:10:24 AM  
Here. Have some lupins
 
2014-04-09 09:15:56 AM  
Michael Palin: "Much of Monty Python was crap, it really was"

So, like SNL, then.
 
2014-04-09 09:16:53 AM  
he's correct. most of python IS crap but the bits of genius in it make up for that.

still though, have to sift through lots of crap to get to the meat n potatoes.
 
2014-04-09 09:16:58 AM  

jso2897: Well, that's not a reasonable standard. No one expects everything to be brilliant.


You're not incorrect, but I don't necessarily agree in relation to Python.

They've kinda become somewhat mythical over the decades.  I don't think it's a stretch to say there are folks who've only seen the famous bits of MPFC, and are under the impression that "everything they did was awesome".
 
2014-04-09 09:17:20 AM  
I agree.
 
2014-04-09 09:17:56 AM  

nekom: colinspooky: Anything experimental is.  But that crap was hugely overshadowed by the occasional slices of sheer genius.

Well put.  He's not wrong, a lot of it is pretty much crap but the good parts are amazing.
/Life of Brian > Holy Grail


Been saying that for years.  The Holy Grail had its moments, but I was utterly disappointed with how the movie ended.

The Life of Brian is a brilliant commentary on religion.
 
2014-04-09 09:19:59 AM  

jso2897: In their active years, Python did a lot of stuff.
Sure, only maybe 15 - 20% of it was gold -- but that's still a whole lot of brilliant stuff.


bluenote13: Stuff like this should not remembered for the % of good stuff, but just how great the best stuff was.  The same can be said for SCTV and SNL in the early years.  Those shows hit on about 10-20% of the skits, but those 10-20% were not just good, they were great.


I've watched some of the early seasons of SNL (full episodes on Netflix), 'back when it was funny,' and it is nowhere close to Python's 20%.  Maybe 5% of early SNL is gold.  In both cases, that's why God invented compilations.

/SNL did have better musical guests
 
2014-04-09 09:23:28 AM  

Lipspinach: and yet smug fat guys will continue to quote them every chance they get, ad nauseum.


...even then, Palin's point will be made by them only quoting the same six sketches over and over.

/I am fond of Twit Olympics
 
2014-04-09 09:24:20 AM  

Lipspinach: Michael Palin: "Much of Monty Python was crap, it really was"

and yet smug fat guys will continue to quote them every chance they get, ad nauseum.


The larch
 
2014-04-09 09:30:05 AM  

HugsAndPuppies: Michael Palin: "Much of Monty Python was crap, it really was"

So, like SNL, then.


And SCTV and any number of other comedy troupes. Regardless of the entertainment field, NOBODY is 'on' 100% of the time. The important part is that these groups all had some to offer that was either new or light years ahead of the other  groups. There are MP jokes that wouldn't have existed with another group, same with SNL, same with SCTV. Python just has some of the best "best" moments of them all. Palin shouldn't be do hard on himself, they came up with some absolutely hilarious shiat. It's not going to ALL be hits.
 
2014-04-09 09:32:53 AM  

Tyrone Slothrop: Brian was better written, but Grail was better directed. Terry Jones isn't a very good director, he tends to film things like it was TV.


Wasn't Grail directed by Jones?  (and Gilliam)
 
2014-04-09 09:33:13 AM  
 
2014-04-09 09:35:18 AM  

GRCooper: Lipspinach: Michael Palin: "Much of Monty Python was crap, it really was"

and yet smug fat guys will continue to quote them every chance they get, ad nauseum.

The larch


THE LARCH
 
2014-04-09 09:35:22 AM  
The irony of quoting Monty Python is that so much of their humor arose from the unexpected and surreal. Like, the only time you should actually quote Monty Python are the times in which no one will have the faintest idea of what you're talking about. Like, imagine handing a stranger a banana, and telling them, "Now, I want you to come at me with this bananar," or striding into a Best Buy and trying to buy cheese. Sure, if just one person does it, they may think he's really sick and they won't upsell him on a protection plan. And if two people do it, in harmony, they might think they're both gay and won't upsell either of them. And if three people walk into Best Buy, trying to buy cheese, they may think it's an Organization. And can you, can you imagine fifty people a day walking in to a Best Buy and trying to buy cheese? Friends, they may think that it's a movement!

Humor arises from connections that don't really belong together, that cognitive dissonance results in a release of tension called laughter.
 
2014-04-09 09:36:18 AM  
Saturday Nights on PBS of all places as a teenager would show Monty Python, then Fawlty Towers, then the Young Ones.

All of them were awesome
 
2014-04-09 09:36:28 AM  
"Ripping Yarns" was crap.  "Privates on Parade" was crap.  Amost everything the Pythons did separately post-MPFC was crap, except Fawlty Towers.
 
2014-04-09 09:37:34 AM  
Say that in a Fark thread, Michael and you get piled on.  You don't even have to watch Python for the few good bits, you hear them repeated to you over and over by every other self-professed geek in the world.  They're repeated so often because they're the only good bits.  Most of the 'good' bits are only good in the presentation though so even hearing the good bits from anyone other than Python sucks.

In short, fans make Monty Python suck worse than it really did, which was pretty bad most of the time.  Like the fans of every show.  God only knows how many people I've ruined various tv shows for.
 
2014-04-09 09:39:00 AM  

syrynxx: Amost everything the Pythons did separately post-MPFC was crap, except Fawlty Towers

The Adventures of Baron Munchausen, Time Bandits, Brazil

A Fish Called Wanda.

I could go on.
 
2014-04-09 09:40:05 AM  
BLOODY WATNEY'S RED BARREL!!!!
 
2014-04-09 09:42:04 AM  

gadian: They're repeated so often because they're the only good bits.


Actually, the best bits don't really bear repeating. You don't really see anybody quoting the Upper Class Twit of the Year sketch, because it's not terribly quotable. Or the Philosopher's Football Match, for the same reasons. The best bits they did weren't always quotable, and even the quotable ones often have moments that aren't quotable- the Confuse-a-Cat sketch leaps to mind (I don't care what anyone else thinks, the surrealist show is hilarious).
 
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