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(Telegraph)   Criminal psychologist finds that there are 20 criteria used in spotting a psychopath. However, if he says "My name is Kanye West" the other 19 don't matter   (telegraph.co.uk) divider line 42
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2014-04-09 08:45:12 AM  
At heart, Hare's test is simple: a list of 20 criteria, each given a score of 0 (if it doesn't apply to the person), 1 (if it partially applies) or 2 (if it fully applies). A pure, prototypical psychopath would score 40. A score of 30 or more qualifies for a diagnosis of psychopathy.

glib and superficial charm
grandiosity
need for stimulation
pathological lying
cunning and manipulating,
lack of remorse
callousness
poor behavioral controls
impulsiveness
irresponsibility
denial
parasitic lifestyle
sexual promiscuity
early behavior problems
lack of realistic long-term goals
failure to accept responsibility for own actions
many short-term marital relationships
juvenile delinquency
revocation of conditional release
criminal versatility

What's your score?
 
2014-04-09 09:36:26 AM  
What about if your name is Pete, or Repeat?
 
2014-04-09 09:37:34 AM  
Re re pete
 
2014-04-09 09:38:48 AM  
The more we learn about the brain, we cease to exist as independent actors. Criminal justice is going to be fun in the future when free will is disproven.
 
2014-04-09 09:50:41 AM  
 
2014-04-09 10:00:51 AM  
10/40
 
2014-04-09 10:26:25 AM  
I'm in the 14-20 range depending on what would be judged a 0, 1 or 2.  So I guess that makes me a medium level psychopath.
 
2014-04-09 10:52:35 AM  
"Hi, I'm the CEO" is also a red flag.
 
2014-04-09 11:20:39 AM  
I got 12, but number 4 on the list kinda negates anyone's response to this test.  But, hey, I'm okay with that.
 
2014-04-09 11:27:05 AM  
I accidentally found out I lacked emotional connectedness about a year ago. Suddenly, talking about Walt's cancer on Breaking Bad became almost unbearable. For my entire life I had emotions, but that and a few other experiences taught me differently.

Of course now I'm consumed by finding the answer to feel whole. Even that simple term took an entirely different meaning. I normally feel hollow. I literally had to re-evaluate everything I knew because of lacking so much emotional contexts.

I'm seriously considering psychology when I sign up for college. Its endlessly fascinating as it is, let alone researching my own mind.
 
2014-04-09 11:29:45 AM  
"Psychopaths do think they're more rational than other people, that this isn't a deficit," says Hare.

This explains a LOT of fark comments.
 
2014-04-09 11:37:56 AM  
Woo I got a 21, so Im like 50% a psychopath. Which makes perfect sense considering how my mid to late 20s has been going...

I think psychopaths tend to be relatively intelligent people, so Im not sure why Kanye is mentioned in the title.
 
2014-04-09 11:54:14 AM  
34.. maybe I should stop putting off that shrink visit
 
2014-04-09 11:57:09 AM  

ShankatsuForte: 34.. maybe I should stop putting off that shrink visit


Self-diagnosis is a bad idea. Plus, if you were genuinely a psychopath, your reaction would be "34. But shrinks are idiots, so what do they know."
 
2014-04-09 11:58:40 AM  
Or you could just look at where they are on the org chart.
 
2014-04-09 12:12:10 PM  

doglover: At heart, Hare's test is simple: a list of 20 criteria, each given a score of 0 (if it doesn't apply to the person), 1 (if it partially applies) or 2 (if it fully applies). A pure, prototypical psychopath would score 40. A score of 30 or more qualifies for a diagnosis of psychopathy.

glib and superficial charm - 0
grandiosity - 0
need for stimulation - 1
pathological lying - 0
cunning and manipulating, - 1
lack of remorse - 0
callousness - 0
poor behavioral controls - 0
impulsiveness - 0
irresponsibility - 0
denial - 0
parasitic lifestyle - 0
sexual promiscuity - 0
early behavior problems - 2
lack of realistic long-term goals - 0
failure to accept responsibility for own actions - 0
many short-term marital relationships - 0
juvenile delinquency - 2
revocation of conditional release - 0
criminal versatility - 2

What's your score?


My score is 8.
 
2014-04-09 12:19:42 PM  

Son of Thunder: ShankatsuForte: 34.. maybe I should stop putting off that shrink visit

Self-diagnosis is a bad idea. Plus, if you were genuinely a psychopath, your reaction would be "34. But shrinks are idiots, so what do they know."


Everybody else in this thread seems to be adding their own numbers, why am I specifically getting dicked out?

In actuality I have Borderline Personality Disorder, i've been told it's an alternate route to the same crazy.
 
2014-04-09 01:00:46 PM  
weird how psychopaths gets this special attention, you never see fun little surveys on how to spot the manic depressive or spot the person suffering from OCD. But everyone loves to parade out the spot-the-psychopath game every so often.
 
2014-04-09 01:23:19 PM  

chasd00: weird how psychopaths gets this special attention, you never see fun little surveys on how to spot the manic depressive or spot the person suffering from OCD. But everyone loves to parade out the spot-the-psychopath game every so often.


Makes you feel important, like Sherlock Holmes finding Moriarty.
 
2014-04-09 02:51:40 PM  

Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: The more we learn about the brain, we cease to exist as independent actors. Criminal justice is going to be fun in the future when free will is disproven.


And what will you get if that is discovered? Someone to blame for your actions other than yourself?

This is your life, take responsibility for it.
 
2014-04-09 02:53:14 PM  

ShankatsuForte: In actuality I have Borderline Personality Disorder, i've been told it's an alternate route to the same crazy.


No, you probably have a MASSIVE amount of empathy, which means that while you wouldn't have a problem killing someone who stood in your way or threatened someone you care about, you would feel really bad about it afterwards.

Psychopaths don't. They don't care. At. All.
 
2014-04-09 03:03:30 PM  

chasd00: weird how psychopaths gets this special attention, you never see fun little surveys on how to spot the manic depressive or spot the person suffering from OCD. But everyone loves to parade out the spot-the-psychopath game every so often.


That's because everyone likes to play spot the shark and not spot the starfish that's behind a rock moping or spot the boring fish that won't bite your ass.
 
2014-04-09 03:03:49 PM  

Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: The more we learn about the brain, we cease to exist as independent actors. Criminal justice is going to be fun in the future when free will is disproven.


It doesn't make any difference whether or not there's free will, as far as the criminal justice system goes.  Punishing people for crimes is about negative reinforcement, as well as removing the worst people from society so that they can't commit more crimes.  Both of these work, whether there's free will or not.
 
2014-04-09 03:05:33 PM  

doglover: At heart, Hare's test is simple: a list of 20 criteria, each given a score of 0 (if it doesn't apply to the person), 1 (if it partially applies) or 2 (if it fully applies). A pure, prototypical psychopath would score 40. A score of 30 or more qualifies for a diagnosis of psychopathy.

glib and superficial charm
grandiosity
need for stimulation
pathological lying
cunning and manipulating,
lack of remorse
callousness
poor behavioral controls
impulsiveness
irresponsibility
denial
parasitic lifestyle
sexual promiscuity
early behavior problems
lack of realistic long-term goals
failure to accept responsibility for own actions
many short-term marital relationships
juvenile delinquency
revocation of conditional release
criminal versatility

What's your score?


Well, unless my "denial" score is a lot higher than I think it is, I'm only about a 6. Of course, it could just be that my "pathological liar" score is really high. I sure as hell wish my sexual promiscuity score was higher. :/

// you can't self evaluate this kind of stuff
//  also, who doesn't have a "need for stimulation"?
 
2014-04-09 03:13:47 PM  

2chris2: Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: The more we learn about the brain, we cease to exist as independent actors. Criminal justice is going to be fun in the future when free will is disproven.

It doesn't make any difference whether or not there's free will, as far as the criminal justice system goes.  Punishing people for crimes is about negative reinforcement, as well as removing the worst people from society so that they can't commit more crimes.  Both of these work, whether there's free will or not.


Punishment is not negative reinforcement.  This is a common mistake, but still makes you look bad, at the same level as people who say "antisocial" when they mean "wants to be alone".  Negative reinforcement is rewarding a behavior by the removal of an aversive stimulus.
 
2014-04-09 03:25:49 PM  

2chris2: Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: The more we learn about the brain, we cease to exist as independent actors. Criminal justice is going to be fun in the future when free will is disproven.

It doesn't make any difference whether or not there's free will, as far as the criminal justice system goes.  Punishing people for crimes is about negative reinforcement, as well as removing the worst people from society so that they can't commit more crimes.  Both of these work, whether there's free will or not.


where did all that re-habilitation stuff the I used to hear about go?
 
2014-04-09 04:07:01 PM  
19... will have to see what my wife rates me.
 
2014-04-09 04:32:39 PM  
I don't know why number 3 is on there.  Doesn't everybody need stimulation?  Even babies?
 
2014-04-09 05:22:18 PM  

The thing with psychopathy, is it's classed as a disorder. To be classed as one, one must have their life inhibited by it in some way. (paraphrased for simplicity)



Wiki
A mental disorder, also called a mental illness or psychiatric disorder, is a mental or behavioral pattern or anomaly that causes either suffering or an impaired ability to function in ordinary life (disability), and which is not developmentally or socially normative

Only being not developmentally or socially normative does not qualify. That just makes you a nerd/outcast/outlier of whatever flavor.

SundaesChild: I don't know why number 3 is on there.  Doesn't everybody need stimulation?  Even babies?


And shiat like that. Been married a few times? Maybe you're a lovestruck fool who married psychopaths?

Even the lack of remorse/empathy thing is a bit shady. There are 9 billion people or some such on this planet. I really only care about a very very tiny portion of them, as do most other people. A bit of oversimplification.

Juvenile delinquent? WTF is this horseshiat, anyone who wasn't sheltered was delinquent in one way or another. Maybe they mean with an actual record(even if it was expunged). But even at that, not everyone gets caught....
Anyhow, rebellion is natural in those years, whether you were raised well or not.

Son of Thunder: But shrinks are idiots, so what do they know."


That is the problem with a lot of supposed psychologists, same as just about any other profession, a shiat ton of them don't know what they're talking about anymore. Many have bad blogs or write internet articles for money and do bullshiat studies because, hey, the gamed the system and got a grant.

Really, it's just damaging to the field of psychology, what little of it is actually useful/demonstrable.
 
2014-04-09 06:10:00 PM  
psychopathy isn't in the dsm,
so how to figure out if an internet article is full of shiat...
 
2014-04-09 06:41:20 PM  

weclock: psychopathy isn't in the dsm,
so how to figure out if an internet article is full of shiat...


iirc, it's incorporated into the wider "anti-social personality disorder"
 
2014-04-09 07:11:29 PM  
How many people could "revocation of conditional release" [IE breaking parole] even apply to? That's seriously one of the metrics?
 
2014-04-09 09:08:29 PM  

NateAsbestos: How many people could "revocation of conditional release" [IE breaking parole] even apply to? That's seriously one of the metrics?


Bonus points for those who have already scored high on the scale.
 
2014-04-09 11:28:24 PM  

omeganuepsilon: That is the problem with a lot of supposed psychologists, same as just about any other profession, a shiat ton of them don't know what they're talking about anymore. Many have bad blogs or write internet articles for money and do bullshiat studies because, hey, the gamed the system and got a grant.

Really, it's just damaging to the field of psychology, what little of it is actually useful/demonstrable.


So, what's your view on this blog?
 
2014-04-09 11:56:11 PM  
I scored between a 26 and 30 depending on whether I consider it a 1 or 2.

But then again I've already been diagnosed with homicidal ideology. As well as suicidal ideology. Bipolar, depressive with OCD. As well as personality disorders.

Spent a few weeks in a "hospital" under watch because I said I wanted to kill myself to my shrink.

Doing better now, but still have a few thoughts every now and then...
 
2014-04-10 01:52:52 AM  
I'm somewhere above a 16.  That was the minimum I got, depending on how to decide between 1 and 2.  Probably closer to a 20.  I'd rather be a 40 and be awesomely evil.
 
2014-04-10 02:41:04 AM  
dnrtfa

so, actor or politician?
 
2014-04-10 08:57:57 AM  

doglover: At heart, Hare's test is simple: a list of 20 criteria, each given a score of 0 (if it doesn't apply to the person), 1 (if it partially applies) or 2 (if it fully applies). A pure, prototypical psychopath would score 40. A score of 30 or more qualifies for a diagnosis of psychopathy.

glib and superficial charm
grandiosity
need for stimulation
pathological lying
cunning and manipulating,
lack of remorse
callousness
poor behavioral controls
impulsiveness
irresponsibility
denial
parasitic lifestyle
sexual promiscuity
early behavior problems
lack of realistic long-term goals
failure to accept responsibility for own actions
many short-term marital relationships
juvenile delinquency
revocation of conditional release
criminal versatility

What's your score?


18

The sad thing is I've been telling people I'm pretty sure I'm a Sociopath/psychopath, but no one believes me.  It would be higher, but I've never been put on parole.
 
2014-04-10 08:59:29 AM  

NateAsbestos: How many people could "revocation of conditional release" [IE breaking parole] even apply to? That's seriously one of the metrics?


It goes into their inability to care about consequences for their actions, even when the consequences apply to themselves.
 
2014-04-10 09:07:05 AM  
The sad thing is I've been telling people I'm pretty sure I'm a Sociopath/psychopath, but no one believes me.

As a followup here is why they don't believe me:

"You are too caring; You have feelings for other people; You are nice."

I can't bring myself to disabuse them of the notion.  I know what cooing noises to make when someone has had a death in the family.  I ask how my coworker's daughter is recovering from her ACL tear (but I don't bother remembering her name, Ill never meet her) as I need him to think I care.

Right now I'm consoling a family member over a death, but honestly I'm just angling to be named executor.

/This could be a lie too.
 
2014-04-10 12:09:06 PM  

kim jong-un: NateAsbestos: How many people could "revocation of conditional release" [IE breaking parole] even apply to? That's seriously one of the metrics?

It goes into their inability to care about consequences for their actions, even when the consequences apply to themselves.


Sure, but the very nature of "breaking parole" naturally causes the pool of possible psychopaths to plummet, since being paroled isn't something the majority of people will ever come close to. It's a bad metric in that sense, since it is not even a yes or no question for the majority of people. It'd be like saying one of the signals of psychopathy is "rounding up Jews into concentration camps and killing them." That certainly does indicate a sick mindset, but it is completely inapplicable to the majority of the world, and thus most of the world's psychopaths. It's too specific.
 
2014-04-10 09:29:15 PM  

NateAsbestos: How many people could "revocation of conditional release" [IE breaking parole] even apply to? That's seriously one of the metrics?


I'd say breaking probation is up there. I was just lucky to not get caught so is that a 0, 1 or 2?
 
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