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(Orlando Sentinel)   Problem: You don't want to wait in line at Disney. Solution: Say your kid is autistic and get to skip the line. Problem: Disney wizened up to your ploy. Solution: Sue them   (orlandosentinel.com ) divider line
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2014-04-09 09:55:50 AM  
13 votes:

Bunny Deville: I used the disability pass a year and a half ago when we went to Disney. Without it, for all of the money we spent, we couldn't have done more than two rides a day, if that. We had to take two breaks a day for the kids to go back to the hotel and decompress. My son flipped right the fark out on the Haunted Mansion ride and we ended up being done with the park for that day. Oh my god. All of you assholes. All of you self-righteous internet assholes who think you farking know everything. YOU take this kid to Disney and see how farking well you fare. You have NO idea what my family goes through. You have NO need to be assholes to us. But you will. There will be three replies to this post telling me that my kid isn't autistic or that there is no such thing as autism. There will be five replies telling me that I'm a horrible parent. There will be 24 replies telling me how I should parent my autistic son. I will reply to none of them, because I've stopped engaging in discussion with assholes. I won't even be back here. I'll just hope that this post makes one of you dickweeds think about what you're saying.


I don't give a flying fark if your kid is autistic or not. My point is your time is not more valuable than mine. If you threaten me with your child's unacceptable behavior unless you get preferential treatment,  then no...you shouldn't be vacationing at Disney. maybe a wilderness resort. Did you ever think of that, you selfish coont?
2014-04-09 09:16:13 AM  
9 votes:
They get unlimited fast pass appointments instead of instant access.

Boo farking hoo.
msP
2014-04-09 09:57:34 AM  
7 votes:

Bunny Deville: Okay, if you want your experience at Disney spoiled by my autistic kid who is going to whine and cry the entire time he is in line- he just pulled this crap when we went on vacation a couple of weeks ago, there's no way to stop him, spanking is illegal and wouldn't work anyway, and he gets LOUD and occasionally thrashes around- if that's what you WANT in line with you, then by all means, keep being snarky.

"Then why don't you just discipline him?" My god, do you think we don't? But on a $6,000 vacation, I'm not going to shut him up in the hotel room the entire time because he can't handle the over-stimulation and freaks out while having to wait in a long, loud line.

"Why not keep him home?" Sure, let me just tell my 7 year old that he can't go on vacation with the rest of the family. or, better yet, tell his sister that we can't go because of her brother. I'm sure that'll work out well.

I used the disability pass a year and a half ago when we went to Disney. Without it, for all of the money we spent, we couldn't have done more than two rides a day, if that. We had to take two breaks a day for the kids to go back to the hotel and decompress. My son flipped right the fark out on the Haunted Mansion ride and we ended up being done with the park for that day. Oh my god. All of you assholes. All of you self-righteous internet assholes who think you farking know everything. YOU take this kid to Disney and see how farking well you fare. You have NO idea what my family goes through. You have NO need to be assholes to us. But you will. There will be three replies to this post telling me that my kid isn't autistic or that there is no such thing as autism. There will be five replies telling me that I'm a horrible parent. There will be 24 replies telling me how I should parent my autistic son. I will reply to none of them, because I've stopped engaging in discussion with assholes. I won't even be back here. I'll just hope that this post makes one of you dickweeds think about ...


Alright, you make a valid point about how it would suck for your other child to not go on vacation because of her brother. So why not take them somewhere else? A relaxed beach vacation would be much cheaper and much less likely to upset your son (if, you are claiming, it is the waiting in line that has upset him and not just the entire idea of being on vacation). Why spend $6,000 for a trip that seems to me would be ruined by you not being able to skip the line? Your argument about your daughter only makes sense to an extent - as a child, I would have much rather preferred a different vacation or no vacation versus having to sit in a hotel for half the day while my brother calmed down and not really getting to experience the vacation anyway.

I just don't get why if over stimulation freaks him out, that you'd take him to a theme park in the first place. The whole point of a theme park is over stimulation - I doubt a shorter wait in line is really going to curb what he's feeling. And if a shorter wait in line is all it takes to calm him down completely - well I'm not even going to go there because I wouldn't want to be perceived as an insensitive dickweed.

It just seems to me that if you want your child accommodated by other people/giant corporations, then why aren't YOU being more accommodating to him by not putting him in situations that are obviously going to upset him?
msP
2014-04-09 09:45:15 AM  
6 votes:
why the FARK would autism even be considered something that lets you skip the line? Your precious snowflake can't wait in line without "severe" emotional distress? Then DON'T TAKE HIM TO DISNEY.

This BS has gone on long enough.
2014-04-09 09:44:40 AM  
6 votes:
Okay, if you want your experience at Disney spoiled by my autistic kid who is going to whine and cry the entire time he is in line- he just pulled this crap when we went on vacation a couple of weeks ago, there's no way to stop him, spanking is illegal and wouldn't work anyway, and he gets LOUD and occasionally thrashes around- if that's what you WANT in line with you, then by all means, keep being snarky.

"Then why don't you just discipline him?" My god, do you think we don't? But on a $6,000 vacation, I'm not going to shut him up in the hotel room the entire time because he can't handle the over-stimulation and freaks out while having to wait in a long, loud line.

"Why not keep him home?" Sure, let me just tell my 7 year old that he can't go on vacation with the rest of the family. or, better yet, tell his sister that we can't go because of her brother. I'm sure that'll work out well.

I used the disability pass a year and a half ago when we went to Disney. Without it, for all of the money we spent, we couldn't have done more than two rides a day, if that. We had to take two breaks a day for the kids to go back to the hotel and decompress. My son flipped right the fark out on the Haunted Mansion ride and we ended up being done with the park for that day. Oh my god. All of you assholes. All of you self-righteous internet assholes who think you farking know everything. YOU take this kid to Disney and see how farking well you fare. You have NO idea what my family goes through. You have NO need to be assholes to us. But you will. There will be three replies to this post telling me that my kid isn't autistic or that there is no such thing as autism. There will be five replies telling me that I'm a horrible parent. There will be 24 replies telling me how I should parent my autistic son. I will reply to none of them, because I've stopped engaging in discussion with assholes. I won't even be back here. I'll just hope that this post makes one of you dickweeds think about what you're saying.
2014-04-09 09:38:37 AM  
6 votes:
I don't have kids but I would imagine that every child has "difficultly waiting in long lines for rides".
2014-04-09 10:16:16 AM  
5 votes:
Bunny Deville: My child suffers from sensory overload in daily life, so I decided to take him to a resort specifically designed to overload your senses to the point it makes a life time impression.

Then I call other people assholes because they can't stand my child's anguished cries.

Good thing you don't have a kid with bone spurs, you would probably book a hiking tour of the grand canyon then complain when the other guests don't offer to carry your child.
2014-04-09 09:38:19 AM  
5 votes:
Disney gave carte blanche to disabled people. Inconsiderate people found a way to use it for dishonest and profitable ways. Disney changed the policy so that disabled people are inconvenienced and dishonest people get no benefit.

Sounds like the way the world works. I hope the court case is thrown out and it cost the parents lots of money.
2014-04-09 09:35:43 AM  
5 votes:
Wizened?  They got all shrivelled up in the bath, subby?
2014-04-09 11:32:30 AM  
4 votes:
Bunny Deville, you need to come to grips with the fact that your kid is autistic.

No, he will not show on the family picture in Disney, because you are not going to take him again.

Yes, you will have to explain to the rest of the family and friends that he did not go to the Disney trip with you not because it is an inconvenience for you, but because it is very unsettling for him.

No, we are not dickweeds.  We are looking out for the best interest for your son.  Your son has a condition that he did not choose, and you and your husband did not intend for him to have.  And on his condition, sensory overload is quite painful for him.  Just like a cringe my teeth when I see a toddler running alone towards a busy street and kid asking for mommy in a crowded area, I feel awful when I see autistic children at amusement parks, sporting events or concerts.

Yes, you are reacting just like the parents that show up after 10 minutes of their little kid asking for mommy or I trap before they reach the street.  You don't even say thank you for watching out for my child, which I could not care for properly.  You are more concern about the speech and the stare I am going to give you for being such an incompetent parent.

Yes, you are the dickweed.
2014-04-09 11:14:25 PM  
3 votes:
To sum it all up:

Parents: We have a handicapped child.  He is autistic and unable to wait in line.  We want to cut in line.
Disneyland: You can pre-schedule your rides and not have to wait in line.
Parents: No!  We just want to cut in front of everyone else.
Disneyland: Our accommodations already eliminate your child's wait in line without being unfair to the other guests.
Parents:  WE DEMAND SPECIAL TREATMENT!!  WE'RE GONNA SUE!111
2014-04-09 12:11:03 PM  
3 votes:

Bunny Deville: Okay, if you want your experience at Disney spoiled by my autistic kid who is going to whine and cry the entire time he is in line- he just pulled this crap when we went on vacation a couple of weeks ago, there's no way to stop him, spanking is illegal and wouldn't work anyway, and he gets LOUD and occasionally thrashes around- if that's what you WANT in line with you, then by all means, keep being snarky.

"Then why don't you just discipline him?" My god, do you think we don't? But on a $6,000 vacation, I'm not going to shut him up in the hotel room the entire time because he can't handle the over-stimulation and freaks out while having to wait in a long, loud line.

"Why not keep him home?" Sure, let me just tell my 7 year old that he can't go on vacation with the rest of the family. or, better yet, tell his sister that we can't go because of her brother. I'm sure that'll work out well.

I used the disability pass a year and a half ago when we went to Disney. Without it, for all of the money we spent, we couldn't have done more than two rides a day, if that. We had to take two breaks a day for the kids to go back to the hotel and decompress. My son flipped right the fark out on the Haunted Mansion ride and we ended up being done with the park for that day. Oh my god. All of you assholes. All of you self-righteous internet assholes who think you farking know everything. YOU take this kid to Disney and see how farking well you fare. You have NO idea what my family goes through. You have NO need to be assholes to us. But you will. There will be three replies to this post telling me that my kid isn't autistic or that there is no such thing as autism. There will be five replies telling me that I'm a horrible parent. There will be 24 replies telling me how I should parent my autistic son. I will reply to none of them, because I've stopped engaging in discussion with assholes. I won't even be back here. I'll just hope that this post makes one of you dickweeds think about ...


You spent how many thousands of dollars to torture your autistic son?
2014-04-09 12:08:48 PM  
3 votes:

msP: Bunny Deville: Okay, if you want your experience at Disney spoiled by my autistic kid who is going to whine and cry the entire time he is in line- he just pulled this crap when we went on vacation a couple of weeks ago, there's no way to stop him, spanking is illegal and wouldn't work anyway, and he gets LOUD and occasionally thrashes around- if that's what you WANT in line with you, then by all means, keep being snarky.

"Then why don't you just discipline him?" My god, do you think we don't? But on a $6,000 vacation, I'm not going to shut him up in the hotel room the entire time because he can't handle the over-stimulation and freaks out while having to wait in a long, loud line.

"Why not keep him home?" Sure, let me just tell my 7 year old that he can't go on vacation with the rest of the family. or, better yet, tell his sister that we can't go because of her brother. I'm sure that'll work out well.

I used the disability pass a year and a half ago when we went to Disney. Without it, for all of the money we spent, we couldn't have done more than two rides a day, if that. We had to take two breaks a day for the kids to go back to the hotel and decompress. My son flipped right the fark out on the Haunted Mansion ride and we ended up being done with the park for that day. Oh my god. All of you assholes. All of you self-righteous internet assholes who think you farking know everything. YOU take this kid to Disney and see how farking well you fare. You have NO idea what my family goes through. You have NO need to be assholes to us. But you will. There will be three replies to this post telling me that my kid isn't autistic or that there is no such thing as autism. There will be five replies telling me that I'm a horrible parent. There will be 24 replies telling me how I should parent my autistic son. I will reply to none of them, because I've stopped engaging in discussion with assholes. I won't even be back here. I'll just hope that this post makes one of you dickwe ...


Same here. I understand the whole family vacation thing. What I don't understand is going to a location that in itself is overstimulating.

For example, I have a spinal cord injury. I am not allowed to ride rollar coasters. My family always went to Cedar Point. However, since I can't ride the rides, its kind of pointless to spend that much money on gas and tickets for me to sit on my butt the whole day. Instead, we found new activities that we all enjoy and I can physically do. Win-Win for everyone!

Its a give and take world. Do I need accomondations, yes. However, do I expect everyone else to "suffer" so I can get them, no. That is what ADA means by "reasonable".
2014-04-09 11:17:15 AM  
3 votes:

Bunny Deville: Okay, if you want your experience at Disney spoiled by my autistic kid who is going to whine and cry the entire time he is in line- he just pulled this crap when we went on vacation a couple of weeks ago, there's no way to stop him, spanking is illegal and wouldn't work anyway, and he gets LOUD and occasionally thrashes around- if that's what you WANT in line with you, then by all means, keep being snarky.

"Then why don't you just discipline him?" My god, do you think we don't? But on a $6,000 vacation, I'm not going to shut him up in the hotel room the entire time because he can't handle the over-stimulation and freaks out while having to wait in a long, loud line.

"Why not keep him home?" Sure, let me just tell my 7 year old that he can't go on vacation with the rest of the family. or, better yet, tell his sister that we can't go because of her brother. I'm sure that'll work out well.

I used the disability pass a year and a half ago when we went to Disney. Without it, for all of the money we spent, we couldn't have done more than two rides a day, if that. We had to take two breaks a day for the kids to go back to the hotel and decompress. My son flipped right the fark out on the Haunted Mansion ride and we ended up being done with the park for that day. Oh my god. All of you assholes. All of you self-righteous internet assholes who think you farking know everything. YOU take this kid to Disney and see how farking well you fare. You have NO idea what my family goes through. You have NO need to be assholes to us. But you will. There will be three replies to this post telling me that my kid isn't autistic or that there is no such thing as autism. There will be five replies telling me that I'm a horrible parent. There will be 24 replies telling me how I should parent my autistic son. I will reply to none of them, because I've stopped engaging in discussion with assholes. I won't even be back here. I'll just hope that this post makes one of you dickweeds think about ...


Your right, I have worked just as hard if not harder than you to be able to afford to take my kids to WDW.  Your also right in saying that I don't want to listen / see your brat have a total meltdown while having to wait less than 5 minutes in the FP return line.  I have a better idea..DO GO TO FARKING DISNEY WORLD IN THE FIRST PLACE YOU STUPID BIATCH.  I have friends with kids "on the spectrum" and believe me the last place in the world they go is the mouse house.  Its a big beautiful world out there so GO SOMEWHERE ELSE !!!!
2014-04-09 10:13:19 AM  
3 votes:

Bunny Deville: I'm not going to shut him up in the hotel room the entire time because he can't handle the over-stimulation and freaks out while having to wait in a long, loud line.


So the fact that you are taking a kid who can't actually handle the place you are going is a good idea, and you demand accommodation for him when you won't do the same? Sounds more like you're torturing the poor kid so the rest of your family can go.  I enjoy barbecue competitions, I don't take my vegan cousin (who can't handle the sight of blood or smell of meat) to them...

Maybe have a vacation where he can enjoy it too is a better choice.
2014-04-09 09:59:57 AM  
3 votes:

Bunny Deville: Okay, if you want your experience at Disney spoiled by my autistic kid who is going to whine and cry the entire time he is in line- he just pulled this crap when we went on vacation a couple of weeks ago, there's no way to stop him, spanking is illegal and wouldn't work anyway, and he gets LOUD and occasionally thrashes around- if that's what you WANT in line with you, then by all means, keep being snarky.

"Then why don't you just discipline him?" My god, do you think we don't? But on a $6,000 vacation, I'm not going to shut him up in the hotel room the entire time because he can't handle the over-stimulation and freaks out while having to wait in a long, loud line.

"Why not keep him home?" Sure, let me just tell my 7 year old that he can't go on vacation with the rest of the family. or, better yet, tell his sister that we can't go because of her brother. I'm sure that'll work out well.

I used the disability pass a year and a half ago when we went to Disney. Without it, for all of the money we spent, we couldn't have done more than two rides a day, if that. We had to take two breaks a day for the kids to go back to the hotel and decompress. My son flipped right the fark out on the Haunted Mansion ride and we ended up being done with the park for that day. Oh my god. All of you assholes. All of you self-righteous internet assholes who think you farking know everything. YOU take this kid to Disney and see how farking well you fare. You have NO idea what my family goes through. You have NO need to be assholes to us. But you will. There will be three replies to this post telling me that my kid isn't autistic or that there is no such thing as autism. There will be five replies telling me that I'm a horrible parent. There will be 24 replies telling me how I should parent my autistic son. I will reply to none of them, because I've stopped engaging in discussion with assholes. I won't even be back here. I'll just hope that this post makes one of you dickweeds think about ...


How about you...and this might be hard for you to digest...NOT GO OUT with the little shiat in tow?! I mean, have him stay with grandparents or something and tell him "it's a special day" or whatever works.
2014-04-09 09:30:43 AM  
3 votes:
So they might have to wait their turn just like everyone else, just not having to trudge through line?  The Horror!
2014-04-09 03:04:23 PM  
2 votes:

imfallen_angel: Again... be pissed at those that abuse the systems. And if you'd have an handicapped child, you might grow the fark up about the subject and understand that maybe there's a lot more behind the situation and that unless you could understand it, you're being an arse.

It's not your fault... and you think I went in life wanting an handicapped child? so this is "my" fault?

Wow... just wow.

"Your experience" ? that's got to be the most self-centered, disgusting, pathetic comment in this whole thread.

Wow, talk about poor little princess syndrome.
Damn, seriously, some of you are so pathetic that it's just ... I'm lost for words for how sad you are.


just....wo


glad to see you haven't changed. Yes my experience, you douchebag. Why on God's green earth would I want your selfish, inconsiderate asshole of a person to take away from my experience? Leave your kid at home...or stay home yourself. If the kid cant function in society, leave her at home period.

I never said this was your fault. You did. I merely said it's your burden, asshole. Not mine.

Another thing, you should consider that her inability to function in civilized society isnt a handicap, so much as it is a daughter aping her asshole fathers behavior.
2014-04-09 02:55:41 PM  
2 votes:

imfallen_angel: Private_Citizen: Imfallen,

The point most are trying to make is this: don't bring a handicapped person to a place that will make their condition worse.

Other than the rave that was brought up earlier, I can't think of a worse place to bring an autistic child than DW.

/don't torture your kid, then call everyone else assholes because they get upset at the child's screams.

Let's see... what if the kid, even if handicapped, actually loves going on rides?

Anyways,, I doubt that you'd understand the points I've made.... it's not about saying that others should deal with a screaming child, it's about preventing such a situation, but so many consider themselves so important that an extra minute to let an handicapped person go, is just beyond what they believe reasonable.

It just shows how pathetic the world (these people) is.

All I can say is that all the assholes that are whining about it, I will wish them a nasty accident so that they might live it for themselves and see how they'll enjoy it when while they are being pushed on a wheelchair, someone yells at them to go home so to not mess with "their experience".

When instead of a world where people care, want to help others and be understanding, it's GTFO, I'm more important.


Sure, some handicapped children would probbly love DW. But kids who freak out at sensory overload (like autistic kids)? Not so much.

I don't normally share, but I do understand. One of my daughters has a rare form of anemia that means she has greatly reduced endurance. I recently took the family to the zoo. When the hills and distance became too much for her, I put her on my shoulders (slightly more than 80lbs) and carried her for a few miles. Sure we got a few stares, but I doubt we ruined anyone's day.

I understood going in how it could end up. It's something you have to assess as a parent. If an event or location presents to much risk to my daughter, or would be beyond my ability to handle, then we don't go.

My problem with parents like bunny is it seems they put their desire to have a "normal" family experience ahead of the welfare of their children. Her child could not handle DW, and the problem wasn't with the people who noticed, it's with the parent who inflicted DW on their autistic child.
2014-04-09 12:21:29 PM  
2 votes:

Bunny Deville: Okay, if you want your experience at Disney spoiled by my autistic kid who is going to whine and cry the entire time he is in line- he just pulled this crap when we went on vacation a couple of weeks ago, there's no way to stop him, spanking is illegal and wouldn't work anyway, and he gets LOUD and occasionally thrashes around- if that's what you WANT in line with you, then by all means, keep being snarky.

"Then why don't you just discipline him?" My god, do you think we don't? But on a $6,000 vacation, I'm not going to shut him up in the hotel room the entire time because he can't handle the over-stimulation and freaks out while having to wait in a long, loud line.

"Why not keep him home?" Sure, let me just tell my 7 year old that he can't go on vacation with the rest of the family. or, better yet, tell his sister that we can't go because of her brother. I'm sure that'll work out well.

I used the disability pass a year and a half ago when we went to Disney. Without it, for all of the money we spent, we couldn't have done more than two rides a day, if that. We had to take two breaks a day for the kids to go back to the hotel and decompress. My son flipped right the fark out on the Haunted Mansion ride and we ended up being done with the park for that day. Oh my god. All of you assholes. All of you self-righteous internet assholes who think you farking know everything. YOU take this kid to Disney and see how farking well you fare. You have NO idea what my family goes through. You have NO need to be assholes to us. But you will. There will be three replies to this post telling me that my kid isn't autistic or that there is no such thing as autism. There will be five replies telling me that I'm a horrible parent. There will be 24 replies telling me how I should parent my autistic son. I will reply to none of them, because I've stopped engaging in discussion with assholes. I won't even be back here. I'll just hope that this post makes one of you dickweeds think about ...


THEY STILL OFFER THE DISABILITY PASS.

GOODBYE.
2014-04-09 11:35:43 AM  
2 votes:

Bunny Deville: Okay, if you want your experience at Disney spoiled by my autistic kid who is going to whine and cry the entire time he is in line- he just pulled this crap when we went on vacation a couple of weeks ago, there's no way to stop him, spanking is illegal and wouldn't work anyway, and he gets LOUD and occasionally thrashes around- if that's what you WANT in line with you, then by all means, keep being snarky.

"Then why don't you just discipline him?" My god, do you think we don't? But on a $6,000 vacation, I'm not going to shut him up in the hotel room the entire time because he can't handle the over-stimulation and freaks out while having to wait in a long, loud line.

"Why not keep him home?" Sure, let me just tell my 7 year old that he can't go on vacation with the rest of the family. or, better yet, tell his sister that we can't go because of her brother. I'm sure that'll work out well.

I used the disability pass a year and a half ago when we went to Disney. Without it, for all of the money we spent, we couldn't have done more than two rides a day, if that. We had to take two breaks a day for the kids to go back to the hotel and decompress. My son flipped right the fark out on the Haunted Mansion ride and we ended up being done with the park for that day. Oh my god. All of you assholes. All of you self-righteous internet assholes who think you farking know everything. YOU take this kid to Disney and see how farking well you fare. You have NO idea what my family goes through. You have NO need to be assholes to us. But you will. There will be three replies to this post telling me that my kid isn't autistic or that there is no such thing as autism. There will be five replies telling me that I'm a horrible parent. There will be 24 replies telling me how I should parent my autistic son. I will reply to none of them, because I've stopped engaging in discussion with assholes. I won't even be back here. I'll just hope that this post makes one of you dickweeds think about ...


10/10

This is how it's done, boys.
2014-04-09 10:40:00 AM  
2 votes:

Enlightened Liberal: If I'm remembering correctly, the My Disney Magic (or whatever it's called) is fully deployed so you can book fast passes well in advance of your visit. That seems like a reasonable accommodation for those with autistic children or other disabled family members.


My Disney Experience

You can book 3 FP+ in advance of your visit, if you are staying on property.  If not, you can book your 3 spots on the day you visit that park.   You have a set time to enter the ride and if you miss that time, you are out of luck (i.e. book for noon-1pm, come back between those times; come back at 2pm, and you can't get in).

In addition, the DAS (Disability Access Service card) allows disabled people to "skip the wait in lines".   You get the card, you go to the ride (or in Disneyland, a kiosk), get a ride time (like a FP) and go do whatever you want until the time on your card.   These don't expire, so if you have a FP for Dumbo at noon, and you don't get there until 3pm, you can still go.   But you only get one wait at a time.  They figure the time by looking at the wait in the FP line, and subtracting 10 minute or so from the wait time.   

People had kept saying they didn't want "front of the line access" and just wanted some other way to wait for their turn.   Well, Disney gave them that, via DAS, and now they are throwing fits because they don't want to wait somewhere else; they want to just get on the ride and go.
2014-04-09 10:33:54 AM  
2 votes:

HotWingConspiracy: Families with autistic children have sued  , alleging the company does not provide adequate access to theme park visitors with autism who have difficulty waiting in long lines for rides.

Hahahha, what a scam these people have going.


Seriously, read the lawsuit.  These people are out for front of the line access, and the world be damned.   The lawsuit includes several people who have not been to any Disney park since they implemented the DAS.   The adults are suing for emotional distress FOR THEMSELVES because they had to deal with their kids meltdowns. 

They had a FB page (McClain Special Needs) that spun out of control, deleting people's comments if they didn't agree with the "McClainer's" line about Disney sucking and hating autistic kids.   So, they made a new FB page (when the McClain person running the page got banned, from her own page, for being discriminatory) called My DAS experience.  The person running that realized that the people throwing temper tantrums were NOT helping their cause, so she told them to knock it off.   The woman (McClain) who started the whole thing got mad and went off to make another FB page, that is now private, and this is where the lawsuit people are coming from.

One lady said, on a FB comment, that "her kid has it too hard during the rest of her life and Disney is the only place that I don't have to deal with her problems".

/on several Disney boards
//those boards aren't happy about the lawsuit either
///what?  I like Mickey Mouse.  Don't judge me.
2014-04-09 10:23:12 AM  
2 votes:
Theme parks are the absolute pinnacle of overstimulation.  I took my 2 and 4 year-old, well-behaved, non-autistic children there, and by lunch time I understood why some animals eat their young.  After a brief time out and a bit of Clark Griswold "We are hear to have F**ing FUN and we are going to have F**ing FUN", things calmed down and we actually had a great day.  Surprisingly - Mommy is a bit anti-theme park so I hadn't had high hopes for the day.  :)

Seriously, and I understand all of the arguments about the other sibling, and the family fun and all that stuff, but it seems like taking an autistic kid to a place like that borders on torture and abuse.  I'm not autistic either, I just really don't like crowds and lots of noise, and *I* am exhausted and wrung out after a day there.  It seems like in the interest of family vacation, families with autistic kids should go somewhere else where EVERYONE will enjoy themselves and be comfortable.  Why do you HAVE to go to Disney?  If the other siblings really want to go, plan a separate special trip for them, or make them wait.  I didn't go there until I was 13, with my aunt and cousin, since there was no way my parents were going there with all 3 of us.

How about Hot Springs, Arkansas, to dig for diamonds?  Or a Caribbean family all-inclusive?  Or Yellowstone?  Or hiking in Appalachia?  Why torture your autistic kid with It's a Small World, lines, and blown schedules?
2014-04-09 10:19:15 AM  
2 votes:
I think it's unfair that I don't have enough money to go take my family to Disneyland for vacation. I should sue them because it makes me feel bad.
2014-04-09 10:17:34 AM  
2 votes:

Bunny Deville: I'll just hope that this post makes one of you dickweeds think about what you're saying.


Yeah it's made me even less sympathetic.
2014-04-09 09:48:42 AM  
2 votes:
My 4-year old is going through Autism screening right now and we went to Disneyworld last October so I'm really getting a kick out of these replies...

These people are completely full of crap.

For starters, Disneyworld or any of the parks in Orlando are such sensory overload that I can't imagine bringing a highly Autistic child there! My daughter has fairly-mild autism, so it really is a blanket term referring to an intensity range of symptoms. It was completely manageable trip for us but it certainly had it's moments, so I can't imagine bringing a highly-autistic child.

Besides, the Fast Pass system they use means you don't really have to wait in (too long of) lines if you don't want to and you manage it correctly. In October we averaged 15-20 minutes on to get on a ride. Not bad.

Lastly, only the physically disabled should be allowed to skip to the front of the line, and even then I watched lazy fatasses on scooters abuse it like hell. (My personal trainer cousin pointed out a 350lb woman on a scooter wearing fancy Nike cross trainers, good thing she wore them!)

Anyway, whiny entitled victims want to skip the line anyway they can. Just wait your damn turn.
2014-04-09 09:34:54 AM  
2 votes:
Families with autistic children have sued  , alleging the company does not provide adequate access to theme park visitors with autism who have difficulty waiting in long lines for rides.

Hahahha, what a scam these people have going.
2014-04-10 01:16:05 AM  
1 vote:

Bunny Deville: Okay, if you want your experience at Disney spoiled by my autistic kid who is going to whine and cry the entire time he is in line- he just pulled this crap when we went on vacation a couple of weeks ago, there's no way to stop him, spanking is illegal and wouldn't work anyway, and he gets LOUD and occasionally thrashes around- if that's what you WANT in line with you, then by all means, keep being snarky.

"Then why don't you just discipline him?" My god, do you think we don't? But on a $6,000 vacation, I'm not going to shut him up in the hotel room the entire time because he can't handle the over-stimulation and freaks out while having to wait in a long, loud line.

"Why not keep him home?" Sure, let me just tell my 7 year old that he can't go on vacation with the rest of the family. or, better yet, tell his sister that we can't go because of her brother. I'm sure that'll work out well.

I used the disability pass a year and a half ago when we went to Disney. Without it, for all of the money we spent, we couldn't have done more than two rides a day, if that. We had to take two breaks a day for the kids to go back to the hotel and decompress. My son flipped right the fark out on the Haunted Mansion ride and we ended up being done with the park for that day. Oh my god. All of you assholes. All of you self-righteous internet assholes who think you farking know everything. YOU take this kid to Disney and see how farking well you fare. You have NO idea what my family goes through. You have NO need to be assholes to us. But you will. There will be three replies to this post telling me that my kid isn't autistic or that there is no such thing as autism. There will be five replies telling me that I'm a horrible parent. There will be 24 replies telling me how I should parent my autistic son. I will reply to none of them, because I've stopped engaging in discussion with assholes. I won't even be back here. I'll just hope that this post makes one of you dickweeds think about ...


And yet, here you are.  If you're done engaging us, then we're done pandering to you.  You are not special.  Your child is not special.  Go be unique somewhere else.
2014-04-09 05:52:55 PM  
1 vote:

imfallen_angel: MelGoesOnTour: imfallen_angel: Heck, why not say what you really think

I pretty much did, I think. The point is that, no matter how you look at it, and as sad as it might seem to some folks, it's not right to expose everyone around you to a tantrum-throwing-screaming kid and then offer a simple explanation of "Oh, that's just the way he is" and figure that the rest of the world has to suck it up and deal with it. Back when he was alive I would have loved to bring my dog everywhere I went (he was better behaved than most children) but understood I could not. There are just some things that you need to do without (like going to the movies, etc) if you feel obligated to bring along a disruptive [handicapped] person. That's just the way it is.

There's a huge difference between a kid that's throwing tantrums for the hell of it because of bad parenting and one that's got an handicap.

Even at her worse, my daughter was still better than a LOT of what I see from "normal" kids while the parent is busy taping on their phone or such.

There was a thread not long ago about bringing an autistic kid to the theatre (movie) and that was worth a  box of popcorn.

The point is, life is what it is, sometimes shiat happens, and you CAN'T compared a freaking dog to a person, sorry. But the point is, most responsible parents do the best to not be disruptive, and in this case, having a child with an handicap that prevents the child to not be disruptive if having to wait in line, well, the smart part is to let them just go... waiting for the next turn isn't going to kill anyone, Jesus Christ on a cracker, it's a freaking ride, not waiting for daily bread to eat otherwise you'd die here.

Between someone having to wait an extra turn or having the kid have an attack, seriously, the parents have to live with this every freaking day, and someone feels too important to wait a little extra which prevents a lot of headaches for everyone?

Sure, some places aren't a good choice to bring an hand ...


The problem wasn't that it's one kid having a problem and getting to skip the line.   The problem was that it was the kid and his 8 relatives, and that kid over there with her 5 relatives, and the guy sitting there with his 15 grandkids, etc.   The GAC was being overused.   At one point, at Disneyland, they counted 2000 GACs being handed out on one day alone  (that number is just the ones handed out that day, not including the ones out the day or the week or the month before).   It was not meant to be a "Front of the line" pass, but it morphed into one because people would get it and stomp their feet until they got their way. 

Let's look at this example:   you were at the head of the line of, let's say, Haunted Mansion.  It seats 2 people per "buggy".  .  Estimate they load 50 buggies (100 people) every 5 minutes.
 
You've already waited 60 minutes to ride this ride

They stop your line and allow the GAC people to enter.  There are 20 people with GAC cards coming in, with their 80 family members.   That is now 100 people ahead of you.  That puts you back 50 "buggies".    That's a 5 minute wait.  So now, you are at 65 minutes.  Then they let in 100 people from the FP line, so that's another 5 minutes.   You're boarding at 70 minutes. 

Now, what if you are the 100th person in the original line, having waited 65 minutes (assuming they entered 5 minutes after #1) since you became #100.  Since they stop the line, you are now at 75 minutes before you start moving again.   But as you move up to the front of the line, at 80 minutes, they once again stop your line to allow the GAC holders to go on, say with the same numbers as before, and then the FP line (with same numbers).   So your 65 minute wait has become 90 minutes. 

This is what the GAC did.   It wasn't equal access.  

The new DAS doesn't allow them to just enter the line and skip to the front.  There is a wait to get in the FP line, and then the wait for the FP line to move.   This gives the CM (cast member) more control on moving the FP line into the mainstream line at loading, because they aren't having to sort out who gets to get on first, disabled or nondisabled.  Everyone loads at the same rate (well, except for those who need wheelchair accessible cars/buggies, but that is another ball of wax they need to work on).
2014-04-09 05:11:27 PM  
1 vote:

Bunny Deville: Okay, if you want your experience at Disney spoiled by my autistic kid who is going to whine and cry the entire time he is in line- he just pulled this crap when we went on vacation a couple of weeks ago, there's no way to stop him, spanking is illegal and wouldn't work anyway, and he gets LOUD and occasionally thrashes around- if that's what you WANT in line with you, then by all means, keep being snarky.


First off, you sound like a major asshole.

But on second thought, you sound even more like a major asshole.
2014-04-09 04:40:57 PM  
1 vote:
If I was autistic and had "trouble spending time in lines" I probably wouldn't go to disneyworld. Instead of trying to force the rest of the world to recognize what a beautiful, unique snowflake your crotchgoblin is, do something that crotchgoblin would actually enjoy.
2014-04-09 03:24:51 PM  
1 vote:

HotWingConspiracy: Sorry, but no matter how you want to frame this, the correct solution for people unable to stand in lines is to go places that there aren't any lines to deal with. shiatting all over everyone else by demanding the right to cut the line shows very little interest in actually getting along.


Well, just be sure to bring up that anyone with an handicap is called "shiatting all over everyone else" in every conversation that you can, it'll be a real party starter.

Only assholes believe that letting someone with an handicap pass in front is a show of very little interest in getting along, if you can't understand that being born with an handicap sucks and getting a break now and then is simply a nice thing, well....

I guess this warrants you being given a "poor little princess" badge.
2014-04-09 03:08:18 PM  
1 vote:

discordium: indy_kid: Bunny Deville: Oh my god. All of you assholes. All of you self-righteous internet assholes who think you farking know everything. YOU take this kid to Disney and see how farking well you fare. You have NO idea what my family goes through. You have NO need to be assholes to us.

How about this:  DON'T TAKE YOUR KID TO SENSORYOVERLOADLAND.

You have NO need to be assholes to everyone else in line when a trip to Disney is NOT some requirement for a long, fulfilling life!

Take them to the Everglades!  See NATURE.  ANIMALS.  etc.  Hell of a lot cheaper, and I suspect your demon spawn won't know the difference.

Asshole != Autistic.  Know the difference.

If any autistic kid is considered an asshole in your book, perhaps you have some social/personal issues yourself.  You may want to get those addressed.


I'm calling YOU the asshole for dragging an autistic kid into that sensory nightmare.  Reading Comprehension Fail.
2014-04-09 03:00:25 PM  
1 vote:

imfallen_angel: HotWingConspiracy: imfallen_angel: All I can say is that all the assholes that are whining about it, I will wish them a nasty accident so that they might live it for themselves and see how they'll enjoy it when while they are being pushed on a wheelchair, someone yells at them to go home so to not mess with "their experience".

I hope your daughter through some miracle gets better one day so she won't have to deal with any of this. You're a very hateful, vicious person.

Also, being pushed in a wheelchair isn't the same thing as a level 10 tard freak out.

Actually, I'm not... assholes  just bring those things out.

And I agree, I'm sure that in a wheelchair isn't the same as you having a tantrum, but that isn't the point here.  The point, which you've missed yet again, is about the ability to be in a line for a fairly long amount of time.

I could have stated the same points about my wife who has Multiple Sclerosis.  She may perfectly normal to all assholes out there, but after a while, she will start to lose her balance and get weak.

So with your reasoning, she should also stay home to not be a bother to others if dare she get special treatment.

Remember, you assholes are whining that people with handicaps shouldn't have special privileges, and not one of you assholes are able to understand that life for anyone with a real handicap, life has no privileges... all of them would easily trade you their handicaps for the ability to stand in line.

Problem is.. this point is so far over your necks that your little princess complex can't understand this.


Sorry, but no matter how you want to frame this, the correct solution for people unable to stand in lines is to go places that there aren't any lines to deal with. shiatting all over everyone else by demanding the right  to cut the line shows very little interest in actually getting along.
2014-04-09 02:51:19 PM  
1 vote:

indy_kid: Ask some autistic kid who visited Disney World 20 years ago what he remembers, and I'll guarantee it will have little to do with the park itself.


How different is that from when you were 1 or 2 years old... if your parents had taken you to something/somewhere that made you laugh, clap your hands, glee with delight, etc....

That you don't remember it today makes it pointless for your parents to have done so.

Bad news if you have kids... you'll need to cage them until they are old enough to remember things in their adult life before you get to do anything.
2014-04-09 02:49:27 PM  
1 vote:

Bunny Deville: Oh my god. All of you assholes. All of you self-righteous internet assholes who think you farking know everything. YOU take this kid to Disney and see how farking well you fare. You have NO idea what my family goes through. You have NO need to be assholes to us.


How about this:  DON'T TAKE YOUR KID TO SENSORYOVERLOADLAND.

You have NO need to be assholes to everyone else in line when a trip to Disney is NOT some requirement for a long, fulfilling life!

Take them to the Everglades!  See NATURE.  ANIMALS.  etc.  Hell of a lot cheaper, and I suspect your demon spawn won't know the difference.
2014-04-09 02:45:13 PM  
1 vote:

wxboy: So they might have to wait their turn just like everyone else, just not having to trudge through line?  The Horror!


To be fair, there are real issues with autistic kids where they aren't able to handle long lines in large crowds. That said, the people who were abusing this are/were out of control. Using the fast pass is a good solution for the issue, and it's available to all park visitors. There's also the option of, if the line gets too overwhelming, having one parent step out with the child while the other stays in line. Honestly, and I say this as the mother of an autistic child, I would rather my daughter become accustomed to standing in a line or otherwise functioning the same way the rest of society does. It's not easy, mind you, but the result is that she'll be able to live a normal life without needing my help when she's older.
2014-04-09 02:35:07 PM  
1 vote:
imfallen_angel: After my years of participating and assisting with my daughter's classes and special group with the local autistic assistance center, I really have the opposite view.... the ones that could handle being in a line and waiting are very rare.

It's one thing to plan ahead, but autism is in large part a communication disorder, and very few can be explained something that will stay with them.

Most I've worked with were only able to gulp down the present situation and instructions relating to the present environment, and most would "move" on to their "reset" mode and not understand what they were doing or there for,

Please understand that I'm not belittling your experience at all, but I guess your experience is limited to the higher levels and functional ones.


Not offended at all.  Everyone has a different experience and I think it's great that you were able to be such an active part of your daughter's education.  I think I also mixed my message first by saying children can wait in line and then by saying they can wait and come back later.  Standing in line is certainly much harder, especially for children who have no concept of time.  My therapy kids range from 0-7 years old, though, so I can't state how it would affect older children.

I still stand by my statement, though.  The kids I work with are all cases severe enough that they are in self-contained classes.  Some are non-verbal, some use ASL, some use AAC devices.  I think for most of my kids if I worked on preparing them and gave them a schedule for the park with a schedule such as: 1. Parade, 2. Pictures 3. Lunch 4. Bathroom 5. Peter Pan ride  with an appropriate amount of practice they could understand that.  This would work just fine for kids who have a disability fast pass and can return at a prescheduled time to enter the ride. I would also, in case there was any sort of wait, give them things to do while waiting.

Now if the same children were expected to get to 5. Peter Pan Ride and then wait for 45 minutes to two hours, you are correct that that would be very hard for them.  But I think the point of the pass for Disney is that this is the issue it avoids.  It forces you to schedule the times of entry, but the waiting is limited.
2014-04-09 02:02:09 PM  
1 vote:
imfallen_angel, The point you are consistently missing is that as unfortunate as your daughter's condition is, it isn't my daughter's, or his daughter's or so on. Sorry for your ordeal, but don't ask me to sacrifice my experience (which I paid just as much, if not more for) for your kid's benefit. It's not my fault you had an unfortunate turn of events, please don't make me pay for it.

Also, your quip about "it's just waiting a turn" shows that you either have never actually been to Disney world, or certainly never been in an airport. Watching overweight assholes boarding rides and flights before you just because they can is beyond annoying.
2014-04-09 01:49:20 PM  
1 vote:

imfallen_angel: HotWingConspiracy: Then keep her out of situations where she may attack people.

hey touch guy... I do, the point is to not put anyone in a bad situation, you're the one that whined about autism being a scam when people are saying that not having special privileges would cause hardship on everyone.

You appear to think that I should lock my daughter away and never let her see the light of day ever again, and that I shouldn't dare call a restaurant and ask them to reserve a table that's out of the way because, well, it's fraud.

Trust me, people like you really show how it's the wrong people that end up with these handicaps.  Get into an accident that leaves you paralyzed from the neck down and see how you like being treated like crap.,.. 'cause right now, you appear to be paralyzed from the neck up.


Maybe you should calm down a bit. It's pretty clear from the tone of your posts that it is YOU who is the problem causer (not so much your child). Sorry, son, but just because you want to do something doesn't mean that it's okay for you to disrupt everyone around you.
2014-04-09 01:18:54 PM  
1 vote:

imfallen_angel: HotWingConspiracy:

I would work your daughter's head like a speed bag if she attacked me. Sorry, just being honest.

So...

you are:

1) think that people with handicaps are a scam
2) would beat an handicapped person because , well.. internet tough guy.

My daughter's mental capacity is because she's handicapped, what's your excuse?

/ps... it took 2 nurses and a security guard to stop her during the "bad times" when she was 12, you wouldn't even know what would have hit you... she's that fast.
/also, you completely missed the point, which was why some people with handicaps cannot wait patiently in line.
/lastly, you'd touch my daughter, and it would be your last day.


Then keep her on her farking leash.
2014-04-09 01:18:34 PM  
1 vote:

imfallen_angel: HotWingConspiracy:

I would work your daughter's head like a speed bag if she attacked me. Sorry, just being honest.

So...

you are:

1) think that people with handicaps are a scam


I never said that, read harder.

2) would beat an handicapped person because , well.. internet tough guy.

Because they attacked me. I'm not going to get pummeled to be a nice, understanding guy.

My daughter's mental capacity is because she's handicapped, what's your excuse?

/ps... it took 2 nurses and a security guard to stop her during the "bad times" when she was 12, you wouldn't even know what would have hit you... she's that fast.


I'm sorry, I'm not buying that your daughter is an autistic barbarian ninja.

/also, you completely missed the point, which was why some people with handicaps cannot wait patiently in line.

Don't put them in lines then.

/lastly, you'd touch my daughter, and it would be your last day.

Then keep her out of situations where she may attack people.
2014-04-09 01:13:56 PM  
1 vote:

Bunny Deville: Okay, if you want your experience at Disney spoiled by my autistic kid who is going to whine and cry the entire time he is in line- he just pulled this crap when we went on vacation a couple of weeks ago, there's no way to stop him, spanking is illegal and wouldn't work anyway, and he gets LOUD and occasionally thrashes around- if that's what you WANT in line with you, then by all means, keep being snarky.


or leave the little potato at home if he can't compose himself in public
2014-04-09 01:10:55 PM  
1 vote:

MelGoesOnTour: imfallen_angel: Heck, why not say what you really think

I pretty much did


I think the point is valid, though the wording was a little too honest. You see this same thing come up constantly in restaurant threads where most of the thread agrees that people should just keep their kids at home if they can't handle it.

Things just get a little touchier once you bring up that their disabled. But, it's still true even though it's not PC to say it. I take my kid (10, autistic) to family restaurants and slap his iPad in front of him. He'll much on fries/chips/whatever and keep to himself in his own little world. But, I would never take him to a movie theater. I'm not even going to try. Because it would be a train wreck and piss off everyone else that paid $28 for their ticket.

Parents should tailor their activities to their kid's personalities. That's what spending time as a family is all about. Mutual interests. And not bothering those around you should be common sense. Should.
2014-04-09 12:29:55 PM  
1 vote:

Bunny Deville: Okay, if you want your experience at Disney spoiled by my autistic kid who is going to whine and cry the entire time he is in line- he just pulled this crap when we went on vacation a couple of weeks ago, there's no way to stop him, spanking is illegal and wouldn't work anyway, and he gets LOUD and occasionally thrashes around- if that's what you WANT in line with you, then by all means, keep being snarky.

"Then why don't you just discipline him?" My god, do you think we don't? But on a $6,000 vacation, I'm not going to shut him up in the hotel room the entire time because he can't handle the over-stimulation and freaks out while having to wait in a long, loud line.

"Why not keep him home?" Sure, let me just tell my 7 year old that he can't go on vacation with the rest of the family. or, better yet, tell his sister that we can't go because of her brother. I'm sure that'll work out well.

I used the disability pass a year and a half ago when we went to Disney. Without it, for all of the money we spent, we couldn't have done more than two rides a day, if that. We had to take two breaks a day for the kids to go back to the hotel and decompress. My son flipped right the fark out on the Haunted Mansion ride and we ended up being done with the park for that day. Oh my god. All of you assholes. All of you self-righteous internet assholes who think you farking know everything. YOU take this kid to Disney and see how farking well you fare. You have NO idea what my family goes through. You have NO need to be assholes to us. But you will. There will be three replies to this post telling me that my kid isn't autistic or that there is no such thing as autism. There will be five replies telling me that I'm a horrible parent. There will be 24 replies telling me how I should parent my autistic son. I will reply to none of them, because I've stopped engaging in discussion with assholes. I won't even be back here. I'll just hope that this post makes one of you dickweeds think about ...


You still may have some sand in your vag from one of the water rides.  Might want to check that.
2014-04-09 12:29:00 PM  
1 vote:
As someone who works daily with kids in the spectrum , I can say with confidence that most (but not all) Can wait in line without a meltdown. The important thing is to prepare them. You have to do work for a big trip like WDW: watch videos about the park, make a schedule for the day, plan sensory relief times, create a social story, practice waiting, pretend different scenarios in order to gain experience, etc.

You can't just waltz off and expect them to know what is happening with no preparation. If you do proper preparation, though, almost all children on the spectrum can understand the concept of returning to a ride for their turn at a specific point in time. It's hard but it's certainly doable.
2014-04-09 12:24:22 PM  
1 vote:

Bunny Deville: Okay, if you want your experience at Disney spoiled by my autistic kid who is going to whine and cry the entire time he is in line- he just pulled this crap when we went on vacation a couple of weeks ago, there's no way to stop him, spanking is illegal and wouldn't work anyway, and he gets LOUD and occasionally thrashes around- if that's what you WANT in line with you, then by all means, keep being snarky.

"Then why don't you just discipline him?" My god, do you think we don't? But on a $6,000 vacation, I'm not going to shut him up in the hotel room the entire time because he can't handle the over-stimulation and freaks out while having to wait in a long, loud line.

"Why not keep him home?" Sure, let me just tell my 7 year old that he can't go on vacation with the rest of the family. or, better yet, tell his sister that we can't go because of her brother. I'm sure that'll work out well.

I used the disability pass a year and a half ago when we went to Disney. Without it, for all of the money we spent, we couldn't have done more than two rides a day, if that. We had to take two breaks a day for the kids to go back to the hotel and decompress. My son flipped right the fark out on the Haunted Mansion ride and we ended up being done with the park for that day. Oh my god. All of you assholes. All of you self-righteous internet assholes who think you farking know everything. YOU take this kid to Disney and see how farking well you fare. You have NO idea what my family goes through. You have NO need to be assholes to us. But you will. There will be three replies to this post telling me that my kid isn't autistic or that there is no such thing as autism. There will be five replies telling me that I'm a horrible parent. There will be 24 replies telling me how I should parent my autistic son. I will reply to none of them, because I've stopped engaging in discussion with assholes. I won't even be back here. I'll just hope that this post makes one of you dickweeds think about ...


I respect what you feel. For credentials, my son is 10, and just now is learning to make 3-word sentences (classic autism) ... the problem isn't that people are assholes. It's that they seem to think autism is the new ADHD. They don't seem to notice that both Rain Man and that socially awkward guy in the cubicle next to them both fall under the "Autism" label. But that's okay. No one needs to know unless they deal with it regularly. But, you know, I'm not a construction worker yet I know how to use a hammer. Some things should be common sense.

The real damage comes from how autism is medically labeled. All the shiat that falls under the "autism" label, including classic autism (think Rain Man) and mild aspergers (virtually unnoticeable during brief interaction)

I was talking to an MSSW just yesterday that said her aunt was autistic, and was a veterinarian. I thought "You're not helping." but I let it go, seeing as that would have been an uphill battle since mental illness was her field of expertise.

TL;DR - People don't know that "autism" can mean "requires caretaker for 12 hours a day" just as well as "slightly socially awkward but otherwise self-sufficient" .... they need different words, dammit. We can't keep putting all this stuff under one label.
2014-04-09 12:17:43 PM  
1 vote:

Bunny Deville: Okay, if you want your experience at Disney spoiled by my autistic kid who is going to whine and cry the entire time he is in line- he just pulled this crap when we went on vacation a couple of weeks ago, there's no way to stop him, spanking is illegal and wouldn't work anyway, and he gets LOUD and occasionally thrashes around- if that's what you WANT in line with you, then by all means, keep being snarky.

"Then why don't you just discipline him?" My god, do you think we don't? But on a $6,000 vacation, I'm not going to shut him up in the hotel room the entire time because he can't handle the over-stimulation and freaks out while having to wait in a long, loud line.

"Why not keep him home?" Sure, let me just tell my 7 year old that he can't go on vacation with the rest of the family. or, better yet, tell his sister that we can't go because of her brother. I'm sure that'll work out well.

I used the disability pass a year and a half ago when we went to Disney. Without it, for all of the money we spent, we couldn't have done more than two rides a day, if that. We had to take two breaks a day for the kids to go back to the hotel and decompress. My son flipped right the fark out on the Haunted Mansion ride and we ended up being done with the park for that day. Oh my god. All of you assholes. All of you self-righteous internet assholes who think you farking know everything. YOU take this kid to Disney and see how farking well you fare. You have NO idea what my family goes through. You have NO need to be assholes to us. But you will. There will be three replies to this post telling me that my kid isn't autistic or that there is no such thing as autism. There will be five replies telling me that I'm a horrible parent. There will be 24 replies telling me how I should parent my autistic son. I will reply to none of them, because I've stopped engaging in discussion with assholes. I won't even be back here. I'll just hope that this post makes one of you dickweeds think about ...


How many replies wondering why the Fast Pass solution they offered isn't sufficient for you and your family?
2014-04-09 11:45:25 AM  
1 vote:

Bunny Deville: Okay, if you want your experience at Disney spoiled by my autistic kid who is going to whine and cry the entire time he is in line- he just pulled this crap when we went on vacation a couple of weeks ago, there's no way to stop him, spanking is illegal and wouldn't work anyway, and he gets LOUD and occasionally thrashes around- if that's what you WANT in line with you, then by all means, keep being snarky.

"Then why don't you just discipline him?" My god, do you think we don't? But on a $6,000 vacation, I'm not going to shut him up in the hotel room the entire time because he can't handle the over-stimulation and freaks out while having to wait in a long, loud line.

"Why not keep him home?" Sure, let me just tell my 7 year old that he can't go on vacation with the rest of the family. or, better yet, tell his sister that we can't go because of her brother. I'm sure that'll work out well.

I used the disability pass a year and a half ago when we went to Disney. Without it, for all of the money we spent, we couldn't have done more than two rides a day, if that. We had to take two breaks a day for the kids to go back to the hotel and decompress. My son flipped right the fark out on the Haunted Mansion ride and we ended up being done with the park for that day. Oh my god. All of you assholes. All of you self-righteous internet assholes who think you farking know everything. YOU take this kid to Disney and see how farking well you fare. You have NO idea what my family goes through. You have NO need to be assholes to us. But you will. There will be three replies to this post telling me that my kid isn't autistic or that there is no such thing as autism. There will be five replies telling me that I'm a horrible parent. There will be 24 replies telling me how I should parent my autistic son. I will reply to none of them, because I've stopped engaging in discussion with assholes. I won't even be back here. I'll just hope that this post makes one of you dickweeds think about what you're saying.


No 1 curr


You still don't have to wait in line. What's the problem?
2014-04-09 11:36:33 AM  
1 vote:

Bunny Deville: Okay, if you want your experience at Disney spoiled by my autistic kid who is going to whine and cry the entire time he is in line- he just pulled this crap when we went on vacation a couple of weeks ago, there's no way to stop him, spanking is illegal and wouldn't work anyway, and he gets LOUD and occasionally thrashes around- if that's what you WANT in line with you, then by all means, keep being snarky.

"Then why don't you just discipline him?" My god, do you think we don't? But on a $6,000 vacation, I'm not going to shut him up in the hotel room the entire time because he can't handle the over-stimulation and freaks out while having to wait in a long, loud line.

"Why not keep him home?" Sure, let me just tell my 7 year old that he can't go on vacation with the rest of the family. or, better yet, tell his sister that we can't go because of her brother. I'm sure that'll work out well.

I used the disability pass a year and a half ago when we went to Disney. Without it, for all of the money we spent, we couldn't have done more than two rides a day, if that. We had to take two breaks a day for the kids to go back to the hotel and decompress. My son flipped right the fark out on the Haunted Mansion ride and we ended up being done with the park for that day. Oh my god. All of you assholes. All of you self-righteous internet assholes who think you farking know everything. YOU take this kid to Disney and see how farking well you fare. You have NO idea what my family goes through. You have NO need to be assholes to us. But you will. There will be three replies to this post telling me that my kid isn't autistic or that there is no such thing as autism. There will be five replies telling me that I'm a horrible parent. There will be 24 replies telling me how I should parent my autistic son. I will reply to none of them, because I've stopped engaging in discussion with assholes. I won't even be back here. I'll just hope that this post makes one of you dickweeds think about what you're saying.


My oldest (6) is autistic. Standing still and transitions cause meltdowns so I know exactly what you're going through. I took my child to Disneyland Paris last year and my kid started running off when we got in line, being distracted by everything. I just brought him back in line and then started pointing at everything and asking him what it was. Tiring, but it kept him occupied. The kid is crazy about trains so we rode the park's train more than anything. I didn't use fast pass as it was new to me and didn't have a lot of time. I even wasn't aware of the disabled benefits. I think I handled him well. To those out there that would use autism as a disguise to get ahead in the line though, I hope they get the chance to have their own autistic child, this shiat isn't funny and it's no picnic either.
2014-04-09 11:24:22 AM  
1 vote:

imfallen_angel: HotWingConspiracy: Hahahha, what a scam these people have going.

Well... my daughter who is autistic can pick a couch up easily and throw up if she wanted.  Just grabbing my wife's wrist, she broke it twice.  and this was when my daughter was around 12 years old... she's now 21.

I would be amused to watch you go in fetal position if you were to have to be next to her if she was to have a freak out.

/when we do take her out, we call ahead to inform wherever we are going that we'll need certain preparation. Never had a problem.


I would work your daughter's head like a speed bag if she attacked me. Sorry, just being honest.
2014-04-09 11:02:40 AM  
1 vote:

HotWingConspiracy: Hahahha, what a scam these people have going.


Well... my daughter who is autistic can pick a couch up easily and throw up if she wanted.  Just grabbing my wife's wrist, she broke it twice.  and this was when my daughter was around 12 years old... she's now 21.

I would be amused to watch you go in fetal position if you were to have to be next to her if she was to have a freak out.

/when we do take her out, we call ahead to inform wherever we are going that we'll need certain preparation. Never had a problem.
2014-04-09 10:23:55 AM  
1 vote:

cowsaregoodeating: Disney gave carte blanche to disabled people. Inconsiderate people found a way to use it for dishonest and profitable ways. Disney changed the policy so that disabled people are inconvenienced and dishonest people get no benefit.

Sounds like the way the world works. I hope the court case is thrown out and it cost the parents lots of money.


I was wheelchair bound from 2000-2004, but got to go to Disney World once, MAN did it piss me off seeing people take advantage.

Fat aint a disability, it's a choice.  Autistic... welp, I don't know how the entire world can accommodate those who just cannot function in the world.
2014-04-09 10:09:04 AM  
1 vote:

Bunny Deville: I used the disability pass a year and a half ago when we went to Disney. Without it, for all of the money we spent, we couldn't have done more than two rides a day, if that. We had to take two breaks a day for the kids to go back to the hotel and decompress. My son flipped right the fark out on the Haunted Mansion ride and we ended up being done with the park for that day. Oh my god. All of you assholes. All of you self-righteous internet assholes who think you farking know everything. YOU take this kid to Disney and see how farking well you fare. You have NO idea what my family goes through. You have NO need to be assholes to us. But you will. There will be three replies to this post telling me that my kid isn't autistic or that there is no such thing as autism. There will be five replies telling me that I'm a horrible parent. There will be 24 replies telling me how I should parent my autistic son. I will reply to none of them, because I've stopped engaging in discussion with assholes. I won't even be back here. I'll just hope that this post makes one of you dickweeds think about ...


People abuse the system, system goes away. Sucks for you. Happens to everyone on the face of the planet. You or your kids are not special in this regard. Point your rage at the ones who abused the system and not the ones who are finally relieved that the system is being fixed with some common sense. You might want to talk to someone about your case of Tourettes as well.

Oh, during busy times able bodied people don't get many more rides than 2 at Disney on busy days so rage one with your manufactured rage.
2014-04-09 10:07:32 AM  
1 vote:

Bunny Deville: Okay, if you want your experience at Disney spoiled by my autistic kid who is going to whine and cry the entire time he is in line- he just pulled this crap when we went on vacation a couple of weeks ago, there's no way to stop him, spanking is illegal and wouldn't work anyway, and he gets LOUD and occasionally thrashes around- if that's what you WANT in line with you, then by all means, keep being snarky.

"Then why don't you just discipline him?" My god, do you think we don't? But on a $6,000 vacation, I'm not going to shut him up in the hotel room the entire time because he can't handle the over-stimulation and freaks out while having to wait in a long, loud line.

"Why not keep him home?" Sure, let me just tell my 7 year old that he can't go on vacation with the rest of the family. or, better yet, tell his sister that we can't go because of her brother. I'm sure that'll work out well.

I used the disability pass a year and a half ago when we went to Disney. Without it, for all of the money we spent, we couldn't have done more than two rides a day, if that. We had to take two breaks a day for the kids to go back to the hotel and decompress. My son flipped right the fark out on the Haunted Mansion ride and we ended up being done with the park for that day. Oh my god. All of you assholes. All of you self-righteous internet assholes who think you farking know everything. YOU take this kid to Disney and see how farking well you fare. You have NO idea what my family goes through. You have NO need to be assholes to us. But you will. There will be three replies to this post telling me that my kid isn't autistic or that there is no such thing as autism. There will be five replies telling me that I'm a horrible parent. There will be 24 replies telling me how I should parent my autistic son. I will reply to none of them, because I've stopped engaging in discussion with assholes. I won't even be back here. I'll just hope that this post makes one of you dickweeds think about ...


So you mean you're just like every other family?
2014-04-09 09:57:42 AM  
1 vote:

Bunny Deville: Okay, if you want your experience at Disney spoiled by my autistic kid who is going to whine and cry the entire time he is in line- he just pulled this crap when we went on vacation a couple of weeks ago, there's no way to stop him, spanking is illegal and wouldn't work anyway, and he gets LOUD and occasionally thrashes around- if that's what you WANT in line with you, then by all means, keep being snarky.

"Then why don't you just discipline him?" My god, do you think we don't? But on a $6,000 vacation, I'm not going to shut him up in the hotel room the entire time because he can't handle the over-stimulation and freaks out while having to wait in a long, loud line.

"Why not keep him home?" Sure, let me just tell my 7 year old that he can't go on vacation with the rest of the family. or, better yet, tell his sister that we can't go because of her brother. I'm sure that'll work out well.

I used the disability pass a year and a half ago when we went to Disney. Without it, for all of the money we spent, we couldn't have done more than two rides a day, if that. We had to take two breaks a day for the kids to go back to the hotel and decompress. My son flipped right the fark out on the Haunted Mansion ride and we ended up being done with the park for that day. Oh my god. All of you assholes. All of you self-righteous internet assholes who think you farking know everything. YOU take this kid to Disney and see how farking well you fare. You have NO idea what my family goes through. You have NO need to be assholes to us. But you will. There will be three replies to this post telling me that my kid isn't autistic or that there is no such thing as autism. There will be five replies telling me that I'm a horrible parent. There will be 24 replies telling me how I should parent my autistic son. I will reply to none of them, because I've stopped engaging in discussion with assholes. I won't even be back here. I'll just hope that this post makes one of you dickweeds think about ...


1.  I wouldn't expect you to spank your autistic kid for being austistic
2.  I wouldn't expect you to never take your autistic kid on a vacation
3.  I would expect you to not take your kid who is sensitive to over-stimulation and waiting in lines to a place that is over flowing with stimulation and long lines

I think it sucks that Disney had to cancel this program, but people were abusing it to the detriment of everyone else.  I think they made the right decision and the people suing are probably the ones who are losing out on the "rent a austic kid" dollars they were getting until recently.
2014-04-09 09:56:40 AM  
1 vote:

wxboy: So they might have to wait their turn just like everyone else, just not having to trudge through line?  The Horror!


Try being in line with an autistic kid who's squirming & squealing up an atomic sh*tstorm because the long wait times are driving the kid literally nuts. You'd want the Aspie to be hurried up and put in ASAP.
2014-04-09 09:40:16 AM  
1 vote:
Don't go to Disneyworld.  There.  Problem solved.
2014-04-09 09:38:06 AM  
1 vote:

Saners: I really don't get what they are suing for, or maybe I am just missing that detail in the article.

Does the ADA say that companies are not allowed to make disabled guests wait like every other customer? Or are you not allowed to single out specific disabilities by saying autisic people must wait while people in wheel chairs get the pass?


Pretty much, if you don't like waiting it seems the park should have to cowtow to your wishes.
2014-04-09 09:37:49 AM  
1 vote:
www.quickmeme.com
2014-04-09 09:34:26 AM  
1 vote:
I really don't get what they are suing for, or maybe I am just missing that detail in the article.

Does the ADA say that companies are not allowed to make disabled guests wait like every other customer? Or are you not allowed to single out specific disabilities by saying autisic people must wait while people in wheel chairs get the pass?
2014-04-09 09:32:15 AM  
1 vote:
If I'm remembering correctly, the My Disney Magic (or whatever it's called) is fully deployed so you can book fast passes well in advance of your visit. That seems like a reasonable accommodation for those with autistic children or other disabled family members.
2014-04-09 09:28:43 AM  
1 vote:
Ahem....people.virginia.edu
2014-04-09 09:15:34 AM  
1 vote:
 Everyone is just a little autistic nowadays.
 
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