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(Orlando Sentinel)   Problem: You don't want to wait in line at Disney. Solution: Say your kid is autistic and get to skip the line. Problem: Disney wizened up to your ploy. Solution: Sue them   (orlandosentinel.com) divider line 187
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2014-04-09 09:15:34 AM
 Everyone is just a little autistic nowadays.
 
2014-04-09 09:16:13 AM
They get unlimited fast pass appointments instead of instant access.

Boo farking hoo.
 
2014-04-09 09:28:43 AM
Ahem....people.virginia.edu
 
2014-04-09 09:30:06 AM
Solution: The Cartman Model of Theme Park Operations.
 
2014-04-09 09:30:43 AM
So they might have to wait their turn just like everyone else, just not having to trudge through line?  The Horror!
 
2014-04-09 09:32:15 AM
If I'm remembering correctly, the My Disney Magic (or whatever it's called) is fully deployed so you can book fast passes well in advance of your visit. That seems like a reasonable accommodation for those with autistic children or other disabled family members.
 
2014-04-09 09:34:05 AM

blatz514: Ahem....[people.virginia.edu image 54x11]


FTFA according to a lawsuit filed April 3 in federal court in California
 
2014-04-09 09:34:26 AM
I really don't get what they are suing for, or maybe I am just missing that detail in the article.

Does the ADA say that companies are not allowed to make disabled guests wait like every other customer? Or are you not allowed to single out specific disabilities by saying autisic people must wait while people in wheel chairs get the pass?
 
2014-04-09 09:34:54 AM
Families with autistic children have sued  , alleging the company does not provide adequate access to theme park visitors with autism who have difficulty waiting in long lines for rides.

Hahahha, what a scam these people have going.
 
2014-04-09 09:35:43 AM
Wizened?  They got all shrivelled up in the bath, subby?
 
2014-04-09 09:37:49 AM
www.quickmeme.com
 
2014-04-09 09:38:06 AM

Saners: I really don't get what they are suing for, or maybe I am just missing that detail in the article.

Does the ADA say that companies are not allowed to make disabled guests wait like every other customer? Or are you not allowed to single out specific disabilities by saying autisic people must wait while people in wheel chairs get the pass?


Pretty much, if you don't like waiting it seems the park should have to cowtow to your wishes.
 
2014-04-09 09:38:19 AM
Disney gave carte blanche to disabled people. Inconsiderate people found a way to use it for dishonest and profitable ways. Disney changed the policy so that disabled people are inconvenienced and dishonest people get no benefit.

Sounds like the way the world works. I hope the court case is thrown out and it cost the parents lots of money.
 
2014-04-09 09:38:22 AM

Enlightened Liberal: If I'm remembering correctly, the My Disney Magic (or whatever it's called) is fully deployed so you can book fast passes well in advance of your visit. That seems like a reasonable accommodation for those with autistic children or other disabled family members.


I don't know why, unless you're 6, the rides at disney or lame. Make the little farkers wait.
 
2014-04-09 09:38:37 AM
I don't have kids but I would imagine that every child has "difficultly waiting in long lines for rides".
 
2014-04-09 09:40:16 AM
Don't go to Disneyworld.  There.  Problem solved.
 
2014-04-09 09:40:43 AM

Bondith: Wizened?  They got all shrivelled up in the bath, subby?


+1, Bondith.
Subby needs to wisificate up.
 
2014-04-09 09:44:40 AM
Okay, if you want your experience at Disney spoiled by my autistic kid who is going to whine and cry the entire time he is in line- he just pulled this crap when we went on vacation a couple of weeks ago, there's no way to stop him, spanking is illegal and wouldn't work anyway, and he gets LOUD and occasionally thrashes around- if that's what you WANT in line with you, then by all means, keep being snarky.

"Then why don't you just discipline him?" My god, do you think we don't? But on a $6,000 vacation, I'm not going to shut him up in the hotel room the entire time because he can't handle the over-stimulation and freaks out while having to wait in a long, loud line.

"Why not keep him home?" Sure, let me just tell my 7 year old that he can't go on vacation with the rest of the family. or, better yet, tell his sister that we can't go because of her brother. I'm sure that'll work out well.

I used the disability pass a year and a half ago when we went to Disney. Without it, for all of the money we spent, we couldn't have done more than two rides a day, if that. We had to take two breaks a day for the kids to go back to the hotel and decompress. My son flipped right the fark out on the Haunted Mansion ride and we ended up being done with the park for that day. Oh my god. All of you assholes. All of you self-righteous internet assholes who think you farking know everything. YOU take this kid to Disney and see how farking well you fare. You have NO idea what my family goes through. You have NO need to be assholes to us. But you will. There will be three replies to this post telling me that my kid isn't autistic or that there is no such thing as autism. There will be five replies telling me that I'm a horrible parent. There will be 24 replies telling me how I should parent my autistic son. I will reply to none of them, because I've stopped engaging in discussion with assholes. I won't even be back here. I'll just hope that this post makes one of you dickweeds think about what you're saying.
 
2014-04-09 09:44:45 AM

zarker: blatz514: Ahem....[people.virginia.edu image 54x11]

FTFA according to a lawsuit filed April 3 in federal court in California


Yeah, I wasn't too sure either.  But subby's source was the Orlando Sentinel...so I ran with it.
 
msP
2014-04-09 09:45:15 AM
why the FARK would autism even be considered something that lets you skip the line? Your precious snowflake can't wait in line without "severe" emotional distress? Then DON'T TAKE HIM TO DISNEY.

This BS has gone on long enough.
 
2014-04-09 09:48:42 AM
My 4-year old is going through Autism screening right now and we went to Disneyworld last October so I'm really getting a kick out of these replies...

These people are completely full of crap.

For starters, Disneyworld or any of the parks in Orlando are such sensory overload that I can't imagine bringing a highly Autistic child there! My daughter has fairly-mild autism, so it really is a blanket term referring to an intensity range of symptoms. It was completely manageable trip for us but it certainly had it's moments, so I can't imagine bringing a highly-autistic child.

Besides, the Fast Pass system they use means you don't really have to wait in (too long of) lines if you don't want to and you manage it correctly. In October we averaged 15-20 minutes on to get on a ride. Not bad.

Lastly, only the physically disabled should be allowed to skip to the front of the line, and even then I watched lazy fatasses on scooters abuse it like hell. (My personal trainer cousin pointed out a 350lb woman on a scooter wearing fancy Nike cross trainers, good thing she wore them!)

Anyway, whiny entitled victims want to skip the line anyway they can. Just wait your damn turn.
 
2014-04-09 09:51:43 AM
Bunny Deville:

I completely get it. Well maybe not, it sounds like you have it much worse, but I get it. A little bit at least.
 
2014-04-09 09:52:19 AM

Bunny Deville: Okay, if you want your experience at Disney spoiled by my autistic kid who is going to whine and cry the entire time he is in line- he just pulled this crap when we went on vacation a couple of weeks ago, there's no way to stop him, spanking is illegal and wouldn't work anyway, and he gets LOUD and occasionally thrashes around- if that's what you WANT in line with you, then by all means, keep being snarky.

"Then why don't you just discipline him?" My god, do you think we don't? But on a $6,000 vacation, I'm not going to shut him up in the hotel room the entire time because he can't handle the over-stimulation and freaks out while having to wait in a long, loud line.

"Why not keep him home?" Sure, let me just tell my 7 year old that he can't go on vacation with the rest of the family. or, better yet, tell his sister that we can't go because of her brother. I'm sure that'll work out well.

I used the disability pass a year and a half ago when we went to Disney. Without it, for all of the money we spent, we couldn't have done more than two rides a day, if that. We had to take two breaks a day for the kids to go back to the hotel and decompress. My son flipped right the fark out on the Haunted Mansion ride and we ended up being done with the park for that day. Oh my god. All of you assholes. All of you self-righteous internet assholes who think you farking know everything. YOU take this kid to Disney and see how farking well you fare. You have NO idea what my family goes through. You have NO need to be assholes to us. But you will. There will be three replies to this post telling me that my kid isn't autistic or that there is no such thing as autism. There will be five replies telling me that I'm a horrible parent. There will be 24 replies telling me how I should parent my autistic son. I will reply to none of them, because I've stopped engaging in discussion with assholes. I won't even be back here. I'll just hope that this post makes one of you dickweeds think about ...

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2014-04-09 09:55:50 AM

Bunny Deville: I used the disability pass a year and a half ago when we went to Disney. Without it, for all of the money we spent, we couldn't have done more than two rides a day, if that. We had to take two breaks a day for the kids to go back to the hotel and decompress. My son flipped right the fark out on the Haunted Mansion ride and we ended up being done with the park for that day. Oh my god. All of you assholes. All of you self-righteous internet assholes who think you farking know everything. YOU take this kid to Disney and see how farking well you fare. You have NO idea what my family goes through. You have NO need to be assholes to us. But you will. There will be three replies to this post telling me that my kid isn't autistic or that there is no such thing as autism. There will be five replies telling me that I'm a horrible parent. There will be 24 replies telling me how I should parent my autistic son. I will reply to none of them, because I've stopped engaging in discussion with assholes. I won't even be back here. I'll just hope that this post makes one of you dickweeds think about what you're saying.


I don't give a flying fark if your kid is autistic or not. My point is your time is not more valuable than mine. If you threaten me with your child's unacceptable behavior unless you get preferential treatment,  then no...you shouldn't be vacationing at Disney. maybe a wilderness resort. Did you ever think of that, you selfish coont?
 
2014-04-09 09:56:40 AM

wxboy: So they might have to wait their turn just like everyone else, just not having to trudge through line?  The Horror!


Try being in line with an autistic kid who's squirming & squealing up an atomic sh*tstorm because the long wait times are driving the kid literally nuts. You'd want the Aspie to be hurried up and put in ASAP.
 
msP
2014-04-09 09:57:34 AM

Bunny Deville: Okay, if you want your experience at Disney spoiled by my autistic kid who is going to whine and cry the entire time he is in line- he just pulled this crap when we went on vacation a couple of weeks ago, there's no way to stop him, spanking is illegal and wouldn't work anyway, and he gets LOUD and occasionally thrashes around- if that's what you WANT in line with you, then by all means, keep being snarky.

"Then why don't you just discipline him?" My god, do you think we don't? But on a $6,000 vacation, I'm not going to shut him up in the hotel room the entire time because he can't handle the over-stimulation and freaks out while having to wait in a long, loud line.

"Why not keep him home?" Sure, let me just tell my 7 year old that he can't go on vacation with the rest of the family. or, better yet, tell his sister that we can't go because of her brother. I'm sure that'll work out well.

I used the disability pass a year and a half ago when we went to Disney. Without it, for all of the money we spent, we couldn't have done more than two rides a day, if that. We had to take two breaks a day for the kids to go back to the hotel and decompress. My son flipped right the fark out on the Haunted Mansion ride and we ended up being done with the park for that day. Oh my god. All of you assholes. All of you self-righteous internet assholes who think you farking know everything. YOU take this kid to Disney and see how farking well you fare. You have NO idea what my family goes through. You have NO need to be assholes to us. But you will. There will be three replies to this post telling me that my kid isn't autistic or that there is no such thing as autism. There will be five replies telling me that I'm a horrible parent. There will be 24 replies telling me how I should parent my autistic son. I will reply to none of them, because I've stopped engaging in discussion with assholes. I won't even be back here. I'll just hope that this post makes one of you dickweeds think about ...


Alright, you make a valid point about how it would suck for your other child to not go on vacation because of her brother. So why not take them somewhere else? A relaxed beach vacation would be much cheaper and much less likely to upset your son (if, you are claiming, it is the waiting in line that has upset him and not just the entire idea of being on vacation). Why spend $6,000 for a trip that seems to me would be ruined by you not being able to skip the line? Your argument about your daughter only makes sense to an extent - as a child, I would have much rather preferred a different vacation or no vacation versus having to sit in a hotel for half the day while my brother calmed down and not really getting to experience the vacation anyway.

I just don't get why if over stimulation freaks him out, that you'd take him to a theme park in the first place. The whole point of a theme park is over stimulation - I doubt a shorter wait in line is really going to curb what he's feeling. And if a shorter wait in line is all it takes to calm him down completely - well I'm not even going to go there because I wouldn't want to be perceived as an insensitive dickweed.

It just seems to me that if you want your child accommodated by other people/giant corporations, then why aren't YOU being more accommodating to him by not putting him in situations that are obviously going to upset him?
 
2014-04-09 09:57:42 AM

Bunny Deville: Okay, if you want your experience at Disney spoiled by my autistic kid who is going to whine and cry the entire time he is in line- he just pulled this crap when we went on vacation a couple of weeks ago, there's no way to stop him, spanking is illegal and wouldn't work anyway, and he gets LOUD and occasionally thrashes around- if that's what you WANT in line with you, then by all means, keep being snarky.

"Then why don't you just discipline him?" My god, do you think we don't? But on a $6,000 vacation, I'm not going to shut him up in the hotel room the entire time because he can't handle the over-stimulation and freaks out while having to wait in a long, loud line.

"Why not keep him home?" Sure, let me just tell my 7 year old that he can't go on vacation with the rest of the family. or, better yet, tell his sister that we can't go because of her brother. I'm sure that'll work out well.

I used the disability pass a year and a half ago when we went to Disney. Without it, for all of the money we spent, we couldn't have done more than two rides a day, if that. We had to take two breaks a day for the kids to go back to the hotel and decompress. My son flipped right the fark out on the Haunted Mansion ride and we ended up being done with the park for that day. Oh my god. All of you assholes. All of you self-righteous internet assholes who think you farking know everything. YOU take this kid to Disney and see how farking well you fare. You have NO idea what my family goes through. You have NO need to be assholes to us. But you will. There will be three replies to this post telling me that my kid isn't autistic or that there is no such thing as autism. There will be five replies telling me that I'm a horrible parent. There will be 24 replies telling me how I should parent my autistic son. I will reply to none of them, because I've stopped engaging in discussion with assholes. I won't even be back here. I'll just hope that this post makes one of you dickweeds think about ...


1.  I wouldn't expect you to spank your autistic kid for being austistic
2.  I wouldn't expect you to never take your autistic kid on a vacation
3.  I would expect you to not take your kid who is sensitive to over-stimulation and waiting in lines to a place that is over flowing with stimulation and long lines

I think it sucks that Disney had to cancel this program, but people were abusing it to the detriment of everyone else.  I think they made the right decision and the people suing are probably the ones who are losing out on the "rent a austic kid" dollars they were getting until recently.
 
2014-04-09 09:59:57 AM

Bunny Deville: Okay, if you want your experience at Disney spoiled by my autistic kid who is going to whine and cry the entire time he is in line- he just pulled this crap when we went on vacation a couple of weeks ago, there's no way to stop him, spanking is illegal and wouldn't work anyway, and he gets LOUD and occasionally thrashes around- if that's what you WANT in line with you, then by all means, keep being snarky.

"Then why don't you just discipline him?" My god, do you think we don't? But on a $6,000 vacation, I'm not going to shut him up in the hotel room the entire time because he can't handle the over-stimulation and freaks out while having to wait in a long, loud line.

"Why not keep him home?" Sure, let me just tell my 7 year old that he can't go on vacation with the rest of the family. or, better yet, tell his sister that we can't go because of her brother. I'm sure that'll work out well.

I used the disability pass a year and a half ago when we went to Disney. Without it, for all of the money we spent, we couldn't have done more than two rides a day, if that. We had to take two breaks a day for the kids to go back to the hotel and decompress. My son flipped right the fark out on the Haunted Mansion ride and we ended up being done with the park for that day. Oh my god. All of you assholes. All of you self-righteous internet assholes who think you farking know everything. YOU take this kid to Disney and see how farking well you fare. You have NO idea what my family goes through. You have NO need to be assholes to us. But you will. There will be three replies to this post telling me that my kid isn't autistic or that there is no such thing as autism. There will be five replies telling me that I'm a horrible parent. There will be 24 replies telling me how I should parent my autistic son. I will reply to none of them, because I've stopped engaging in discussion with assholes. I won't even be back here. I'll just hope that this post makes one of you dickweeds think about ...


How about you...and this might be hard for you to digest...NOT GO OUT with the little shiat in tow?! I mean, have him stay with grandparents or something and tell him "it's a special day" or whatever works.
 
2014-04-09 10:06:06 AM
My favorite time to go to amusement parks was in October when the season was winding down. There were no lines for anything and a lot of times if you wanted to go on the same ride again you could just tell the people running it you wanted to go again. That all stopped when places started doing stuff all October for Halloween.
 
2014-04-09 10:06:43 AM

Bunny Deville: Okay, if you want your experience at Disney spoiled by my autistic kid who is going to whine and cry the entire time he is in line- he just pulled this crap when we went on vacation a couple of weeks ago, there's no way to stop him, spanking is illegal and wouldn't work anyway, and he gets LOUD and occasionally thrashes around- if that's what you WANT in line with you, then by all means, keep being snarky.

"Then why don't you just discipline him?" My god, do you think we don't? But on a $6,000 vacation, I'm not going to shut him up in the hotel room the entire time because he can't handle the over-stimulation and freaks out while having to wait in a long, loud line.

"Why not keep him home?" Sure, let me just tell my 7 year old that he can't go on vacation with the rest of the family. or, better yet, tell his sister that we can't go because of her brother. I'm sure that'll work out well.

I used the disability pass a year and a half ago when we went to Disney. Without it, for all of the money we spent, we couldn't have done more than two rides a day, if that. We had to take two breaks a day for the kids to go back to the hotel and decompress. My son flipped right the fark out on the Haunted Mansion ride and we ended up being done with the park for that day. Oh my god. All of you assholes. All of you self-righteous internet assholes who think you farking know everything. YOU take this kid to Disney and see how farking well you fare. You have NO idea what my family goes through. You have NO need to be assholes to us. But you will. There will be three replies to this post telling me that my kid isn't autistic or that there is no such thing as autism. There will be five replies telling me that I'm a horrible parent. There will be 24 replies telling me how I should parent my autistic son. I will reply to none of them, because I've stopped engaging in discussion with assholes. I won't even be back here. I'll just hope that this post makes one of you dickweeds think about ...


So you're either trolling or just a jackass, then.  For these sentences alone, the following is now felt about all of your opinions, no matter how legitimate you might feel they are:
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2014-04-09 10:07:32 AM

Bunny Deville: Okay, if you want your experience at Disney spoiled by my autistic kid who is going to whine and cry the entire time he is in line- he just pulled this crap when we went on vacation a couple of weeks ago, there's no way to stop him, spanking is illegal and wouldn't work anyway, and he gets LOUD and occasionally thrashes around- if that's what you WANT in line with you, then by all means, keep being snarky.

"Then why don't you just discipline him?" My god, do you think we don't? But on a $6,000 vacation, I'm not going to shut him up in the hotel room the entire time because he can't handle the over-stimulation and freaks out while having to wait in a long, loud line.

"Why not keep him home?" Sure, let me just tell my 7 year old that he can't go on vacation with the rest of the family. or, better yet, tell his sister that we can't go because of her brother. I'm sure that'll work out well.

I used the disability pass a year and a half ago when we went to Disney. Without it, for all of the money we spent, we couldn't have done more than two rides a day, if that. We had to take two breaks a day for the kids to go back to the hotel and decompress. My son flipped right the fark out on the Haunted Mansion ride and we ended up being done with the park for that day. Oh my god. All of you assholes. All of you self-righteous internet assholes who think you farking know everything. YOU take this kid to Disney and see how farking well you fare. You have NO idea what my family goes through. You have NO need to be assholes to us. But you will. There will be three replies to this post telling me that my kid isn't autistic or that there is no such thing as autism. There will be five replies telling me that I'm a horrible parent. There will be 24 replies telling me how I should parent my autistic son. I will reply to none of them, because I've stopped engaging in discussion with assholes. I won't even be back here. I'll just hope that this post makes one of you dickweeds think about ...


So you mean you're just like every other family?
 
2014-04-09 10:08:30 AM
Well it was a good policy to let autistic kids get head of the line privileges until jackasses kept abusing it. Don't be mad and sue Disney, be mad at the asshats who ruined it for everybody. I don't blame Disney for changing their policy. They did what they had to do.
 
2014-04-09 10:09:04 AM

Bunny Deville: I used the disability pass a year and a half ago when we went to Disney. Without it, for all of the money we spent, we couldn't have done more than two rides a day, if that. We had to take two breaks a day for the kids to go back to the hotel and decompress. My son flipped right the fark out on the Haunted Mansion ride and we ended up being done with the park for that day. Oh my god. All of you assholes. All of you self-righteous internet assholes who think you farking know everything. YOU take this kid to Disney and see how farking well you fare. You have NO idea what my family goes through. You have NO need to be assholes to us. But you will. There will be three replies to this post telling me that my kid isn't autistic or that there is no such thing as autism. There will be five replies telling me that I'm a horrible parent. There will be 24 replies telling me how I should parent my autistic son. I will reply to none of them, because I've stopped engaging in discussion with assholes. I won't even be back here. I'll just hope that this post makes one of you dickweeds think about ...


People abuse the system, system goes away. Sucks for you. Happens to everyone on the face of the planet. You or your kids are not special in this regard. Point your rage at the ones who abused the system and not the ones who are finally relieved that the system is being fixed with some common sense. You might want to talk to someone about your case of Tourettes as well.

Oh, during busy times able bodied people don't get many more rides than 2 at Disney on busy days so rage one with your manufactured rage.
 
2014-04-09 10:11:04 AM
Bunny Deville:
I used the disability pass a year and a half ago when we went to Disney. Without it, for all of the money we spent, we couldn't have done more than two rides a day, if that.

When I was 7, we went to Disney for three days. Guess who had the flu the entire time? I got to go for a grand total of 2 hours, spending the rest of the time in the hotel. I got to go on 3 rides.

I'm not saying that it doesn't suck to be autistic, just that there are other reasons that you may not get to go on a lot of rides.
 
2014-04-09 10:11:33 AM
And what's with everybody being sue happy these days? I'm damn near afraid to glance at a woman because she could probably sue me for harassment. I tell you one thing: if someone ever successfully takes me to court and sues me, they won't live long enough to receive the first check i guarantee that.
 
2014-04-09 10:13:19 AM

Bunny Deville: I'm not going to shut him up in the hotel room the entire time because he can't handle the over-stimulation and freaks out while having to wait in a long, loud line.


So the fact that you are taking a kid who can't actually handle the place you are going is a good idea, and you demand accommodation for him when you won't do the same? Sounds more like you're torturing the poor kid so the rest of your family can go.  I enjoy barbecue competitions, I don't take my vegan cousin (who can't handle the sight of blood or smell of meat) to them...

Maybe have a vacation where he can enjoy it too is a better choice.
 
2014-04-09 10:13:40 AM

Dirty J1: Well it was a good policy to let autistic kids get head of the line privileges until jackasses kept abusing it. Don't be mad and sue Disney, be mad at the asshats who ruined it for everybody. I don't blame Disney for changing their policy. They did what they had to do.


It may not even be due to abuse, it could just be that Disney realized if the make special concessions for everyone who could possibly use them, that it was simply too many people, and it's simply not possible to accommodate everyone.
 
2014-04-09 10:15:17 AM
Just rent wheelchairs like everyone else.
 
2014-04-09 10:16:16 AM
Bunny Deville: My child suffers from sensory overload in daily life, so I decided to take him to a resort specifically designed to overload your senses to the point it makes a life time impression.

Then I call other people assholes because they can't stand my child's anguished cries.

Good thing you don't have a kid with bone spurs, you would probably book a hiking tour of the grand canyon then complain when the other guests don't offer to carry your child.
 
2014-04-09 10:17:34 AM

Bunny Deville: I'll just hope that this post makes one of you dickweeds think about what you're saying.


Yeah it's made me even less sympathetic.
 
2014-04-09 10:18:04 AM
Having just been to Disneyworld this past January with two not-autistic children, I can say that I can't imagine why anyone would even wantto take a kid there who has overstimulation issues.  I'm a (mostly) well-adjusted adult and it was about enough to push me over the edge at times.

I assume that Buttfark Deville is trolling.  I can think of about a hundred other vacations (even including a few themeparks) that would be more suited to a special needs child than DW.
 
2014-04-09 10:19:15 AM
I think it's unfair that I don't have enough money to go take my family to Disneyland for vacation. I should sue them because it makes me feel bad.
 
2014-04-09 10:23:12 AM
Theme parks are the absolute pinnacle of overstimulation.  I took my 2 and 4 year-old, well-behaved, non-autistic children there, and by lunch time I understood why some animals eat their young.  After a brief time out and a bit of Clark Griswold "We are hear to have F**ing FUN and we are going to have F**ing FUN", things calmed down and we actually had a great day.  Surprisingly - Mommy is a bit anti-theme park so I hadn't had high hopes for the day.  :)

Seriously, and I understand all of the arguments about the other sibling, and the family fun and all that stuff, but it seems like taking an autistic kid to a place like that borders on torture and abuse.  I'm not autistic either, I just really don't like crowds and lots of noise, and *I* am exhausted and wrung out after a day there.  It seems like in the interest of family vacation, families with autistic kids should go somewhere else where EVERYONE will enjoy themselves and be comfortable.  Why do you HAVE to go to Disney?  If the other siblings really want to go, plan a separate special trip for them, or make them wait.  I didn't go there until I was 13, with my aunt and cousin, since there was no way my parents were going there with all 3 of us.

How about Hot Springs, Arkansas, to dig for diamonds?  Or a Caribbean family all-inclusive?  Or Yellowstone?  Or hiking in Appalachia?  Why torture your autistic kid with It's a Small World, lines, and blown schedules?
 
2014-04-09 10:23:55 AM

cowsaregoodeating: Disney gave carte blanche to disabled people. Inconsiderate people found a way to use it for dishonest and profitable ways. Disney changed the policy so that disabled people are inconvenienced and dishonest people get no benefit.

Sounds like the way the world works. I hope the court case is thrown out and it cost the parents lots of money.


I was wheelchair bound from 2000-2004, but got to go to Disney World once, MAN did it piss me off seeing people take advantage.

Fat aint a disability, it's a choice.  Autistic... welp, I don't know how the entire world can accommodate those who just cannot function in the world.
 
2014-04-09 10:33:54 AM

HotWingConspiracy: Families with autistic children have sued  , alleging the company does not provide adequate access to theme park visitors with autism who have difficulty waiting in long lines for rides.

Hahahha, what a scam these people have going.


Seriously, read the lawsuit.  These people are out for front of the line access, and the world be damned.   The lawsuit includes several people who have not been to any Disney park since they implemented the DAS.   The adults are suing for emotional distress FOR THEMSELVES because they had to deal with their kids meltdowns. 

They had a FB page (McClain Special Needs) that spun out of control, deleting people's comments if they didn't agree with the "McClainer's" line about Disney sucking and hating autistic kids.   So, they made a new FB page (when the McClain person running the page got banned, from her own page, for being discriminatory) called My DAS experience.  The person running that realized that the people throwing temper tantrums were NOT helping their cause, so she told them to knock it off.   The woman (McClain) who started the whole thing got mad and went off to make another FB page, that is now private, and this is where the lawsuit people are coming from.

One lady said, on a FB comment, that "her kid has it too hard during the rest of her life and Disney is the only place that I don't have to deal with her problems".

/on several Disney boards
//those boards aren't happy about the lawsuit either
///what?  I like Mickey Mouse.  Don't judge me.
 
2014-04-09 10:40:00 AM

Enlightened Liberal: If I'm remembering correctly, the My Disney Magic (or whatever it's called) is fully deployed so you can book fast passes well in advance of your visit. That seems like a reasonable accommodation for those with autistic children or other disabled family members.


My Disney Experience

You can book 3 FP+ in advance of your visit, if you are staying on property.  If not, you can book your 3 spots on the day you visit that park.   You have a set time to enter the ride and if you miss that time, you are out of luck (i.e. book for noon-1pm, come back between those times; come back at 2pm, and you can't get in).

In addition, the DAS (Disability Access Service card) allows disabled people to "skip the wait in lines".   You get the card, you go to the ride (or in Disneyland, a kiosk), get a ride time (like a FP) and go do whatever you want until the time on your card.   These don't expire, so if you have a FP for Dumbo at noon, and you don't get there until 3pm, you can still go.   But you only get one wait at a time.  They figure the time by looking at the wait in the FP line, and subtracting 10 minute or so from the wait time.   

People had kept saying they didn't want "front of the line access" and just wanted some other way to wait for their turn.   Well, Disney gave them that, via DAS, and now they are throwing fits because they don't want to wait somewhere else; they want to just get on the ride and go.
 
2014-04-09 10:41:42 AM

Bunny Deville: Okay, if you want your experience at Disney spoiled by my autistic kid who is going to whine and cry the entire time he is in line- he just pulled this crap when we went on vacation a couple of weeks ago, there's no way to stop him, spanking is illegal and wouldn't work anyway, and he gets LOUD and occasionally thrashes around- if that's what you WANT in line with you, then by all means, keep being snarky.

"Then why don't you just discipline him?" My god, do you think we don't? But on a $6,000 vacation, I'm not going to shut him up in the hotel room the entire time because he can't handle the over-stimulation and freaks out while having to wait in a long, loud line.

"Why not keep him home?" Sure, let me just tell my 7 year old that he can't go on vacation with the rest of the family. or, better yet, tell his sister that we can't go because of her brother. I'm sure that'll work out well.

I used the disability pass a year and a half ago when we went to Disney. Without it, for all of the money we spent, we couldn't have done more than two rides a day, if that. We had to take two breaks a day for the kids to go back to the hotel and decompress. My son flipped right the fark out on the Haunted Mansion ride and we ended up being done with the park for that day. Oh my god. All of you assholes. All of you self-righteous internet assholes who think you farking know everything. YOU take this kid to Disney and see how farking well you fare. You have NO idea what my family goes through. You have NO need to be assholes to us. But you will. There will be three replies to this post telling me that my kid isn't autistic or that there is no such thing as autism. There will be five replies telling me that I'm a horrible parent. There will be 24 replies telling me how I should parent my autistic son. I will reply to none of them, because I've stopped engaging in discussion with assholes. I won't even be back here. I'll just hope that this post makes one of you dickweeds think about ...


Unfortunately, THIS ^^.

And I understand.
 
2014-04-09 10:43:27 AM

Mugato: Just rent wheelchairs like everyone else.



doesn't work that way anymore.  Wheelchairs don't get priority passes.  They have to go wait in line like everyone else, except on most rides at Disneyland, they go in the exit, since the entrances of the rides aren't wheelchair accessible.  At WDW, they can go in the lines, with a few exceptions (like Toy STory Mania, they have to go into the ride in a different area due to stairs).
 
2014-04-09 10:50:34 AM

Bunny Deville: Okay, if you want your experience at Disney spoiled by my autistic kid who is going to whine and cry the entire time he is in line- he just pulled this crap when we went on vacation a couple of weeks ago, there's no way to stop him, spanking is illegal and wouldn't work anyway, and he gets LOUD and occasionally thrashes around- if that's what you WANT in line with you, then by all means, keep being snarky.

"Then why don't you just discipline him?" My god, do you think we don't? But on a $6,000 vacation, I'm not going to shut him up in the hotel room the entire time because he can't handle the over-stimulation and freaks out while having to wait in a long, loud line.

"Why not keep him home?" Sure, let me just tell my 7 year old that he can't go on vacation with the rest of the family. or, better yet, tell his sister that we can't go because of her brother. I'm sure that'll work out well.

I used the disability pass a year and a half ago when we went to Disney. Without it, for all of the money we spent, we couldn't have done more than two rides a day, if that. We had to take two breaks a day for the kids to go back to the hotel and decompress. My son flipped right the fark out on the Haunted Mansion ride and we ended up being done with the park for that day. Oh my god. All of you assholes. All of you self-righteous internet assholes who think you farking know everything. YOU take this kid to Disney and see how farking well you fare. You have NO idea what my family goes through. You have NO need to be assholes to us. But you will. There will be three replies to this post telling me that my kid isn't autistic or that there is no such thing as autism. There will be five replies telling me that I'm a horrible parent. There will be 24 replies telling me how I should parent my autistic son. I will reply to none of them, because I've stopped engaging in discussion with assholes. I won't even be back here. I'll just hope that this post makes one of you dickweeds think about ...



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Shut up, Ass-Burger...
 
2014-04-09 10:57:58 AM
I don't care if they are legitimately autistic. Wait in line like everyone else.
 
2014-04-09 10:58:19 AM

Mistress Jedana: Mugato: Just rent wheelchairs like everyone else.


doesn't work that way anymore.  Wheelchairs don't get priority passes.  They have to go wait in line like everyone else, except on most rides at Disneyland, they go in the exit, since the entrances of the rides aren't wheelchair accessible.  At WDW, they can go in the lines, with a few exceptions (like Toy STory Mania, they have to go into the ride in a different area due to stairs).


Oh. I met some girls at WDW who had wheelchairs so they could skip ahead in lines but this was like over a decade ago.
 
2014-04-09 11:02:02 AM

Farktastic: Bunny Deville: I'm not going to shut him up in the hotel room the entire time because he can't handle the over-stimulation and freaks out while having to wait in a long, loud line.

So the fact that you are taking a kid who can't actually handle the place you are going is a good idea, and you demand accommodation for him when you won't do the same? Sounds more like you're torturing the poor kid so the rest of your family can go.  I enjoy barbecue competitions, I don't take my vegan cousin (who can't handle the sight of blood or smell of meat) to them...

Maybe have a vacation where he can enjoy it too is a better choice.


I just became a vegan, but you can take me. Oh the smell *deep inhale* OHMYGODIMISSBBQ...
 
2014-04-09 11:02:40 AM

HotWingConspiracy: Hahahha, what a scam these people have going.


Well... my daughter who is autistic can pick a couch up easily and throw up if she wanted.  Just grabbing my wife's wrist, she broke it twice.  and this was when my daughter was around 12 years old... she's now 21.

I would be amused to watch you go in fetal position if you were to have to be next to her if she was to have a freak out.

/when we do take her out, we call ahead to inform wherever we are going that we'll need certain preparation. Never had a problem.
 
2014-04-09 11:03:08 AM

Mugato: Mistress Jedana: Mugato: Just rent wheelchairs like everyone else.


doesn't work that way anymore.  Wheelchairs don't get priority passes.  They have to go wait in line like everyone else, except on most rides at Disneyland, they go in the exit, since the entrances of the rides aren't wheelchair accessible.  At WDW, they can go in the lines, with a few exceptions (like Toy STory Mania, they have to go into the ride in a different area due to stairs).

Oh. I met some girls at WDW who had wheelchairs so they could skip ahead in lines but this was like over a decade ago.


As recent as a year or so ago, there was a lady bragging about hiring disabled kids, so she could skip the lines at DW. It was a service, and she felt entitled to use it since she was rich enough to afford it, and cool enough to know about it. Oh yeah, and it gave the disabled kids cash.
 
2014-04-09 11:03:23 AM
throw IT (not up)


arghhhhh
 
2014-04-09 11:16:43 AM

imfallen_angel: throw IT (not up)


arghhhhh


Thanks for fixing that-- I was thinking, super strength AND projectile vomiting at will?  Have you considered an excorcism?
 
2014-04-09 11:17:15 AM

Bunny Deville: Okay, if you want your experience at Disney spoiled by my autistic kid who is going to whine and cry the entire time he is in line- he just pulled this crap when we went on vacation a couple of weeks ago, there's no way to stop him, spanking is illegal and wouldn't work anyway, and he gets LOUD and occasionally thrashes around- if that's what you WANT in line with you, then by all means, keep being snarky.

"Then why don't you just discipline him?" My god, do you think we don't? But on a $6,000 vacation, I'm not going to shut him up in the hotel room the entire time because he can't handle the over-stimulation and freaks out while having to wait in a long, loud line.

"Why not keep him home?" Sure, let me just tell my 7 year old that he can't go on vacation with the rest of the family. or, better yet, tell his sister that we can't go because of her brother. I'm sure that'll work out well.

I used the disability pass a year and a half ago when we went to Disney. Without it, for all of the money we spent, we couldn't have done more than two rides a day, if that. We had to take two breaks a day for the kids to go back to the hotel and decompress. My son flipped right the fark out on the Haunted Mansion ride and we ended up being done with the park for that day. Oh my god. All of you assholes. All of you self-righteous internet assholes who think you farking know everything. YOU take this kid to Disney and see how farking well you fare. You have NO idea what my family goes through. You have NO need to be assholes to us. But you will. There will be three replies to this post telling me that my kid isn't autistic or that there is no such thing as autism. There will be five replies telling me that I'm a horrible parent. There will be 24 replies telling me how I should parent my autistic son. I will reply to none of them, because I've stopped engaging in discussion with assholes. I won't even be back here. I'll just hope that this post makes one of you dickweeds think about ...


Your right, I have worked just as hard if not harder than you to be able to afford to take my kids to WDW.  Your also right in saying that I don't want to listen / see your brat have a total meltdown while having to wait less than 5 minutes in the FP return line.  I have a better idea..DO GO TO FARKING DISNEY WORLD IN THE FIRST PLACE YOU STUPID BIATCH.  I have friends with kids "on the spectrum" and believe me the last place in the world they go is the mouse house.  Its a big beautiful world out there so GO SOMEWHERE ELSE !!!!
 
2014-04-09 11:24:22 AM

imfallen_angel: HotWingConspiracy: Hahahha, what a scam these people have going.

Well... my daughter who is autistic can pick a couch up easily and throw up if she wanted.  Just grabbing my wife's wrist, she broke it twice.  and this was when my daughter was around 12 years old... she's now 21.

I would be amused to watch you go in fetal position if you were to have to be next to her if she was to have a freak out.

/when we do take her out, we call ahead to inform wherever we are going that we'll need certain preparation. Never had a problem.


I would work your daughter's head like a speed bag if she attacked me. Sorry, just being honest.
 
2014-04-09 11:32:30 AM
Bunny Deville, you need to come to grips with the fact that your kid is autistic.

No, he will not show on the family picture in Disney, because you are not going to take him again.

Yes, you will have to explain to the rest of the family and friends that he did not go to the Disney trip with you not because it is an inconvenience for you, but because it is very unsettling for him.

No, we are not dickweeds.  We are looking out for the best interest for your son.  Your son has a condition that he did not choose, and you and your husband did not intend for him to have.  And on his condition, sensory overload is quite painful for him.  Just like a cringe my teeth when I see a toddler running alone towards a busy street and kid asking for mommy in a crowded area, I feel awful when I see autistic children at amusement parks, sporting events or concerts.

Yes, you are reacting just like the parents that show up after 10 minutes of their little kid asking for mommy or I trap before they reach the street.  You don't even say thank you for watching out for my child, which I could not care for properly.  You are more concern about the speech and the stare I am going to give you for being such an incompetent parent.

Yes, you are the dickweed.
 
2014-04-09 11:35:43 AM

Bunny Deville: Okay, if you want your experience at Disney spoiled by my autistic kid who is going to whine and cry the entire time he is in line- he just pulled this crap when we went on vacation a couple of weeks ago, there's no way to stop him, spanking is illegal and wouldn't work anyway, and he gets LOUD and occasionally thrashes around- if that's what you WANT in line with you, then by all means, keep being snarky.

"Then why don't you just discipline him?" My god, do you think we don't? But on a $6,000 vacation, I'm not going to shut him up in the hotel room the entire time because he can't handle the over-stimulation and freaks out while having to wait in a long, loud line.

"Why not keep him home?" Sure, let me just tell my 7 year old that he can't go on vacation with the rest of the family. or, better yet, tell his sister that we can't go because of her brother. I'm sure that'll work out well.

I used the disability pass a year and a half ago when we went to Disney. Without it, for all of the money we spent, we couldn't have done more than two rides a day, if that. We had to take two breaks a day for the kids to go back to the hotel and decompress. My son flipped right the fark out on the Haunted Mansion ride and we ended up being done with the park for that day. Oh my god. All of you assholes. All of you self-righteous internet assholes who think you farking know everything. YOU take this kid to Disney and see how farking well you fare. You have NO idea what my family goes through. You have NO need to be assholes to us. But you will. There will be three replies to this post telling me that my kid isn't autistic or that there is no such thing as autism. There will be five replies telling me that I'm a horrible parent. There will be 24 replies telling me how I should parent my autistic son. I will reply to none of them, because I've stopped engaging in discussion with assholes. I won't even be back here. I'll just hope that this post makes one of you dickweeds think about ...


10/10

This is how it's done, boys.
 
2014-04-09 11:36:33 AM

Bunny Deville: Okay, if you want your experience at Disney spoiled by my autistic kid who is going to whine and cry the entire time he is in line- he just pulled this crap when we went on vacation a couple of weeks ago, there's no way to stop him, spanking is illegal and wouldn't work anyway, and he gets LOUD and occasionally thrashes around- if that's what you WANT in line with you, then by all means, keep being snarky.

"Then why don't you just discipline him?" My god, do you think we don't? But on a $6,000 vacation, I'm not going to shut him up in the hotel room the entire time because he can't handle the over-stimulation and freaks out while having to wait in a long, loud line.

"Why not keep him home?" Sure, let me just tell my 7 year old that he can't go on vacation with the rest of the family. or, better yet, tell his sister that we can't go because of her brother. I'm sure that'll work out well.

I used the disability pass a year and a half ago when we went to Disney. Without it, for all of the money we spent, we couldn't have done more than two rides a day, if that. We had to take two breaks a day for the kids to go back to the hotel and decompress. My son flipped right the fark out on the Haunted Mansion ride and we ended up being done with the park for that day. Oh my god. All of you assholes. All of you self-righteous internet assholes who think you farking know everything. YOU take this kid to Disney and see how farking well you fare. You have NO idea what my family goes through. You have NO need to be assholes to us. But you will. There will be three replies to this post telling me that my kid isn't autistic or that there is no such thing as autism. There will be five replies telling me that I'm a horrible parent. There will be 24 replies telling me how I should parent my autistic son. I will reply to none of them, because I've stopped engaging in discussion with assholes. I won't even be back here. I'll just hope that this post makes one of you dickweeds think about what you're saying.


My oldest (6) is autistic. Standing still and transitions cause meltdowns so I know exactly what you're going through. I took my child to Disneyland Paris last year and my kid started running off when we got in line, being distracted by everything. I just brought him back in line and then started pointing at everything and asking him what it was. Tiring, but it kept him occupied. The kid is crazy about trains so we rode the park's train more than anything. I didn't use fast pass as it was new to me and didn't have a lot of time. I even wasn't aware of the disabled benefits. I think I handled him well. To those out there that would use autism as a disguise to get ahead in the line though, I hope they get the chance to have their own autistic child, this shiat isn't funny and it's no picnic either.
 
2014-04-09 11:45:25 AM

Bunny Deville: Okay, if you want your experience at Disney spoiled by my autistic kid who is going to whine and cry the entire time he is in line- he just pulled this crap when we went on vacation a couple of weeks ago, there's no way to stop him, spanking is illegal and wouldn't work anyway, and he gets LOUD and occasionally thrashes around- if that's what you WANT in line with you, then by all means, keep being snarky.

"Then why don't you just discipline him?" My god, do you think we don't? But on a $6,000 vacation, I'm not going to shut him up in the hotel room the entire time because he can't handle the over-stimulation and freaks out while having to wait in a long, loud line.

"Why not keep him home?" Sure, let me just tell my 7 year old that he can't go on vacation with the rest of the family. or, better yet, tell his sister that we can't go because of her brother. I'm sure that'll work out well.

I used the disability pass a year and a half ago when we went to Disney. Without it, for all of the money we spent, we couldn't have done more than two rides a day, if that. We had to take two breaks a day for the kids to go back to the hotel and decompress. My son flipped right the fark out on the Haunted Mansion ride and we ended up being done with the park for that day. Oh my god. All of you assholes. All of you self-righteous internet assholes who think you farking know everything. YOU take this kid to Disney and see how farking well you fare. You have NO idea what my family goes through. You have NO need to be assholes to us. But you will. There will be three replies to this post telling me that my kid isn't autistic or that there is no such thing as autism. There will be five replies telling me that I'm a horrible parent. There will be 24 replies telling me how I should parent my autistic son. I will reply to none of them, because I've stopped engaging in discussion with assholes. I won't even be back here. I'll just hope that this post makes one of you dickweeds think about what you're saying.


No 1 curr


You still don't have to wait in line. What's the problem?
 
2014-04-09 12:03:45 PM

Geoff Peterson: Bunny Deville:

10/10
This is how it's done, boys.


This!!!
Even being sure it's a troll, I'm STILL trying to come up with snark.

/"I don't know how to parent, maybe my kid's autistic!!"
 
2014-04-09 12:08:48 PM

msP: Bunny Deville: Okay, if you want your experience at Disney spoiled by my autistic kid who is going to whine and cry the entire time he is in line- he just pulled this crap when we went on vacation a couple of weeks ago, there's no way to stop him, spanking is illegal and wouldn't work anyway, and he gets LOUD and occasionally thrashes around- if that's what you WANT in line with you, then by all means, keep being snarky.

"Then why don't you just discipline him?" My god, do you think we don't? But on a $6,000 vacation, I'm not going to shut him up in the hotel room the entire time because he can't handle the over-stimulation and freaks out while having to wait in a long, loud line.

"Why not keep him home?" Sure, let me just tell my 7 year old that he can't go on vacation with the rest of the family. or, better yet, tell his sister that we can't go because of her brother. I'm sure that'll work out well.

I used the disability pass a year and a half ago when we went to Disney. Without it, for all of the money we spent, we couldn't have done more than two rides a day, if that. We had to take two breaks a day for the kids to go back to the hotel and decompress. My son flipped right the fark out on the Haunted Mansion ride and we ended up being done with the park for that day. Oh my god. All of you assholes. All of you self-righteous internet assholes who think you farking know everything. YOU take this kid to Disney and see how farking well you fare. You have NO idea what my family goes through. You have NO need to be assholes to us. But you will. There will be three replies to this post telling me that my kid isn't autistic or that there is no such thing as autism. There will be five replies telling me that I'm a horrible parent. There will be 24 replies telling me how I should parent my autistic son. I will reply to none of them, because I've stopped engaging in discussion with assholes. I won't even be back here. I'll just hope that this post makes one of you dickwe ...


Same here. I understand the whole family vacation thing. What I don't understand is going to a location that in itself is overstimulating.

For example, I have a spinal cord injury. I am not allowed to ride rollar coasters. My family always went to Cedar Point. However, since I can't ride the rides, its kind of pointless to spend that much money on gas and tickets for me to sit on my butt the whole day. Instead, we found new activities that we all enjoy and I can physically do. Win-Win for everyone!

Its a give and take world. Do I need accomondations, yes. However, do I expect everyone else to "suffer" so I can get them, no. That is what ADA means by "reasonable".
 
2014-04-09 12:11:03 PM

Bunny Deville: Okay, if you want your experience at Disney spoiled by my autistic kid who is going to whine and cry the entire time he is in line- he just pulled this crap when we went on vacation a couple of weeks ago, there's no way to stop him, spanking is illegal and wouldn't work anyway, and he gets LOUD and occasionally thrashes around- if that's what you WANT in line with you, then by all means, keep being snarky.

"Then why don't you just discipline him?" My god, do you think we don't? But on a $6,000 vacation, I'm not going to shut him up in the hotel room the entire time because he can't handle the over-stimulation and freaks out while having to wait in a long, loud line.

"Why not keep him home?" Sure, let me just tell my 7 year old that he can't go on vacation with the rest of the family. or, better yet, tell his sister that we can't go because of her brother. I'm sure that'll work out well.

I used the disability pass a year and a half ago when we went to Disney. Without it, for all of the money we spent, we couldn't have done more than two rides a day, if that. We had to take two breaks a day for the kids to go back to the hotel and decompress. My son flipped right the fark out on the Haunted Mansion ride and we ended up being done with the park for that day. Oh my god. All of you assholes. All of you self-righteous internet assholes who think you farking know everything. YOU take this kid to Disney and see how farking well you fare. You have NO idea what my family goes through. You have NO need to be assholes to us. But you will. There will be three replies to this post telling me that my kid isn't autistic or that there is no such thing as autism. There will be five replies telling me that I'm a horrible parent. There will be 24 replies telling me how I should parent my autistic son. I will reply to none of them, because I've stopped engaging in discussion with assholes. I won't even be back here. I'll just hope that this post makes one of you dickweeds think about ...


You spent how many thousands of dollars to torture your autistic son?
 
2014-04-09 12:12:29 PM
Why don't you bring your autistic kid to a rave instead?
 
2014-04-09 12:17:43 PM

Bunny Deville: Okay, if you want your experience at Disney spoiled by my autistic kid who is going to whine and cry the entire time he is in line- he just pulled this crap when we went on vacation a couple of weeks ago, there's no way to stop him, spanking is illegal and wouldn't work anyway, and he gets LOUD and occasionally thrashes around- if that's what you WANT in line with you, then by all means, keep being snarky.

"Then why don't you just discipline him?" My god, do you think we don't? But on a $6,000 vacation, I'm not going to shut him up in the hotel room the entire time because he can't handle the over-stimulation and freaks out while having to wait in a long, loud line.

"Why not keep him home?" Sure, let me just tell my 7 year old that he can't go on vacation with the rest of the family. or, better yet, tell his sister that we can't go because of her brother. I'm sure that'll work out well.

I used the disability pass a year and a half ago when we went to Disney. Without it, for all of the money we spent, we couldn't have done more than two rides a day, if that. We had to take two breaks a day for the kids to go back to the hotel and decompress. My son flipped right the fark out on the Haunted Mansion ride and we ended up being done with the park for that day. Oh my god. All of you assholes. All of you self-righteous internet assholes who think you farking know everything. YOU take this kid to Disney and see how farking well you fare. You have NO idea what my family goes through. You have NO need to be assholes to us. But you will. There will be three replies to this post telling me that my kid isn't autistic or that there is no such thing as autism. There will be five replies telling me that I'm a horrible parent. There will be 24 replies telling me how I should parent my autistic son. I will reply to none of them, because I've stopped engaging in discussion with assholes. I won't even be back here. I'll just hope that this post makes one of you dickweeds think about ...


How many replies wondering why the Fast Pass solution they offered isn't sufficient for you and your family?
 
2014-04-09 12:20:36 PM
HotWingConspiracy:

I would work your daughter's head like a speed bag if she attacked me. Sorry, just being honest.

So...

you are:

1) think that people with handicaps are a scam
2) would beat an handicapped person because , well.. internet tough guy.

My daughter's mental capacity is because she's handicapped, what's your excuse?

/ps... it took 2 nurses and a security guard to stop her during the "bad times" when she was 12, you wouldn't even know what would have hit you... she's that fast.
/also, you completely missed the point, which was why some people with handicaps cannot wait patiently in line.
/lastly, you'd touch my daughter, and it would be your last day.
 
2014-04-09 12:21:29 PM

Bunny Deville: Okay, if you want your experience at Disney spoiled by my autistic kid who is going to whine and cry the entire time he is in line- he just pulled this crap when we went on vacation a couple of weeks ago, there's no way to stop him, spanking is illegal and wouldn't work anyway, and he gets LOUD and occasionally thrashes around- if that's what you WANT in line with you, then by all means, keep being snarky.

"Then why don't you just discipline him?" My god, do you think we don't? But on a $6,000 vacation, I'm not going to shut him up in the hotel room the entire time because he can't handle the over-stimulation and freaks out while having to wait in a long, loud line.

"Why not keep him home?" Sure, let me just tell my 7 year old that he can't go on vacation with the rest of the family. or, better yet, tell his sister that we can't go because of her brother. I'm sure that'll work out well.

I used the disability pass a year and a half ago when we went to Disney. Without it, for all of the money we spent, we couldn't have done more than two rides a day, if that. We had to take two breaks a day for the kids to go back to the hotel and decompress. My son flipped right the fark out on the Haunted Mansion ride and we ended up being done with the park for that day. Oh my god. All of you assholes. All of you self-righteous internet assholes who think you farking know everything. YOU take this kid to Disney and see how farking well you fare. You have NO idea what my family goes through. You have NO need to be assholes to us. But you will. There will be three replies to this post telling me that my kid isn't autistic or that there is no such thing as autism. There will be five replies telling me that I'm a horrible parent. There will be 24 replies telling me how I should parent my autistic son. I will reply to none of them, because I've stopped engaging in discussion with assholes. I won't even be back here. I'll just hope that this post makes one of you dickweeds think about ...


THEY STILL OFFER THE DISABILITY PASS.

GOODBYE.
 
2014-04-09 12:23:48 PM

elgrancerdo: No, we are not dickweeds.


Actually, after reading your post... yes, yes you are... self centered, full of yourself, and clueless to a very pathetic degree.
 
2014-04-09 12:24:22 PM

Bunny Deville: Okay, if you want your experience at Disney spoiled by my autistic kid who is going to whine and cry the entire time he is in line- he just pulled this crap when we went on vacation a couple of weeks ago, there's no way to stop him, spanking is illegal and wouldn't work anyway, and he gets LOUD and occasionally thrashes around- if that's what you WANT in line with you, then by all means, keep being snarky.

"Then why don't you just discipline him?" My god, do you think we don't? But on a $6,000 vacation, I'm not going to shut him up in the hotel room the entire time because he can't handle the over-stimulation and freaks out while having to wait in a long, loud line.

"Why not keep him home?" Sure, let me just tell my 7 year old that he can't go on vacation with the rest of the family. or, better yet, tell his sister that we can't go because of her brother. I'm sure that'll work out well.

I used the disability pass a year and a half ago when we went to Disney. Without it, for all of the money we spent, we couldn't have done more than two rides a day, if that. We had to take two breaks a day for the kids to go back to the hotel and decompress. My son flipped right the fark out on the Haunted Mansion ride and we ended up being done with the park for that day. Oh my god. All of you assholes. All of you self-righteous internet assholes who think you farking know everything. YOU take this kid to Disney and see how farking well you fare. You have NO idea what my family goes through. You have NO need to be assholes to us. But you will. There will be three replies to this post telling me that my kid isn't autistic or that there is no such thing as autism. There will be five replies telling me that I'm a horrible parent. There will be 24 replies telling me how I should parent my autistic son. I will reply to none of them, because I've stopped engaging in discussion with assholes. I won't even be back here. I'll just hope that this post makes one of you dickweeds think about ...


I respect what you feel. For credentials, my son is 10, and just now is learning to make 3-word sentences (classic autism) ... the problem isn't that people are assholes. It's that they seem to think autism is the new ADHD. They don't seem to notice that both Rain Man and that socially awkward guy in the cubicle next to them both fall under the "Autism" label. But that's okay. No one needs to know unless they deal with it regularly. But, you know, I'm not a construction worker yet I know how to use a hammer. Some things should be common sense.

The real damage comes from how autism is medically labeled. All the shiat that falls under the "autism" label, including classic autism (think Rain Man) and mild aspergers (virtually unnoticeable during brief interaction)

I was talking to an MSSW just yesterday that said her aunt was autistic, and was a veterinarian. I thought "You're not helping." but I let it go, seeing as that would have been an uphill battle since mental illness was her field of expertise.

TL;DR - People don't know that "autism" can mean "requires caretaker for 12 hours a day" just as well as "slightly socially awkward but otherwise self-sufficient" .... they need different words, dammit. We can't keep putting all this stuff under one label.
 
2014-04-09 12:29:00 PM
As someone who works daily with kids in the spectrum , I can say with confidence that most (but not all) Can wait in line without a meltdown. The important thing is to prepare them. You have to do work for a big trip like WDW: watch videos about the park, make a schedule for the day, plan sensory relief times, create a social story, practice waiting, pretend different scenarios in order to gain experience, etc.

You can't just waltz off and expect them to know what is happening with no preparation. If you do proper preparation, though, almost all children on the spectrum can understand the concept of returning to a ride for their turn at a specific point in time. It's hard but it's certainly doable.
 
2014-04-09 12:29:55 PM

Bunny Deville: Okay, if you want your experience at Disney spoiled by my autistic kid who is going to whine and cry the entire time he is in line- he just pulled this crap when we went on vacation a couple of weeks ago, there's no way to stop him, spanking is illegal and wouldn't work anyway, and he gets LOUD and occasionally thrashes around- if that's what you WANT in line with you, then by all means, keep being snarky.

"Then why don't you just discipline him?" My god, do you think we don't? But on a $6,000 vacation, I'm not going to shut him up in the hotel room the entire time because he can't handle the over-stimulation and freaks out while having to wait in a long, loud line.

"Why not keep him home?" Sure, let me just tell my 7 year old that he can't go on vacation with the rest of the family. or, better yet, tell his sister that we can't go because of her brother. I'm sure that'll work out well.

I used the disability pass a year and a half ago when we went to Disney. Without it, for all of the money we spent, we couldn't have done more than two rides a day, if that. We had to take two breaks a day for the kids to go back to the hotel and decompress. My son flipped right the fark out on the Haunted Mansion ride and we ended up being done with the park for that day. Oh my god. All of you assholes. All of you self-righteous internet assholes who think you farking know everything. YOU take this kid to Disney and see how farking well you fare. You have NO idea what my family goes through. You have NO need to be assholes to us. But you will. There will be three replies to this post telling me that my kid isn't autistic or that there is no such thing as autism. There will be five replies telling me that I'm a horrible parent. There will be 24 replies telling me how I should parent my autistic son. I will reply to none of them, because I've stopped engaging in discussion with assholes. I won't even be back here. I'll just hope that this post makes one of you dickweeds think about ...


You still may have some sand in your vag from one of the water rides.  Might want to check that.
 
2014-04-09 12:34:05 PM

MelGoesOnTour: How about you...and this might be hard for you to digest...NOT GO OUT with the little shiat in tow?! I mean, have him stay with grandparents or something and tell him "it's a special day" or whatever works.


Heck, why not say what you really think, have the kid put in a cage, shot behind the shed so that he's not a problem for anyone.

What you and others fail.. and I really mean FAIL to understand is that life goes on, doing the best that you can do, the kid didn't ask to be born this way and sometimes, just trying something new might be good for them.

Life is not just about you... the little shiat, might not be who you think.

I know that my daughter is completely innocent, doesn't have a mean bone, doesn't have an ego, doesn't have anything to prove, and a much much better person than most on Fark are.

Sorry but she, and other handicapped people out there have a right to enjoy life and those around them that are trying to provide a good life, new experiences, many are doing the best they can.

Something about tolerance and understanding, which I see that your parents FAILED to teach you.

If there was a way to transfer such handicaps to people like yourself, I'd love it, then maybe you'd STFU after living a few days in that life and a body and mind that's a permanent prison.

My daughter, and all like her will never have a normal life, so giving them something once in a while, and not holding the rest of the family as hostage is something that you appear to not have the capacity to understand.
 
2014-04-09 12:36:41 PM

PetuniaPumpkin: As someone who works daily with kids in the spectrum , I can say with confidence that most (but not all) Can wait in line without a meltdown. The important thing is to prepare them. You have to do work for a big trip like WDW: watch videos about the park, make a schedule for the day, plan sensory relief times, create a social story, practice waiting, pretend different scenarios in order to gain experience, etc.

You can't just waltz off and expect them to know what is happening with no preparation. If you do proper preparation, though, almost all children on the spectrum can understand the concept of returning to a ride for their turn at a specific point in time. It's hard but it's certainly doable.


My boy handles off-routine events better than most autistic kids, I imagine. He's gotten better as he's grown older, too. But as 3-6 year old, we had a ritual of stopping a bit away from a stressor for about 10 minutes before going forward.

Like, when it was haircut time, I'd let the staff know we were going to sit up front for 15 minutes or so and to let others go ahead. He'd watch and listen and then eventually start edging towards the chairs slowly - that was the cue to bust out the gummy bears and tell the woman she has about 10 minutes to get his hair cut. Heh.

The internet is also an amazing tool for finding pictures or videos of new places and events. We can teach him what things are called and bombard him with images and sounds long before we get to the actual event. Everything from a new apartment to the beach. Love the internet. We broke his fear of elevators via YouTube.

Anyway, agreed, a little prep work makes a world of difference. It changes fear and panic attacks to curiosity and maybe even excitement.
 
2014-04-09 12:37:11 PM
Reasonable accommodations are supposed to be made for disabled people under the ADA.
Autism is a disability.
Now, whether skipping the line vs. having an appointment pass or whatever goes beyond what a reasonable accommodation is,  I don't know. But if one type of disability can skip the line but another can not, well, I guess that's why we have a tort system.


Don't complain about lawsuits when without them all of us would be completely at the mercy of corporations and government (more so than now) and at least this one can set a precedent on this issue.
 
2014-04-09 12:42:08 PM

JPSimonetti: The real damage comes from how autism is medically labeled. All the shiat that falls under the "autism" label, including classic autism (think Rain Man) and mild aspergers (virtually unnoticeable during brief interaction)


Problem is... people see a movie or a tv feel-good story about it and suddenly, everyone's an expert.

Rain man is a terrible example of autism as it pushes the whole autism = special abilities.

Your son is just 10 and able to speak words, which puts him fairly high on the manageable level, so at least you have some communication, which, I'll say it, consider yourself lucky.

My daughter is a forever 1 1/2 baby with no language skills at all, and still I consider myself also lucky as she does respond to basic instructions, recognizes her name and things such as "come here", "food (come and eat)" and such, as I've seen some that are so much worse.

As I mentioned in my other posts, at 12 she became very violent, and it took a long time to work it out, figure out what medication would help, and now she's better than she's ever been, but still, as your son will hit puberty, expect changes and hopefully you have a good doctor/specialist to assist you.  We didn't, and it was hell.
 
2014-04-09 12:42:46 PM
wizened?

wiz·ened
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adjective: wizened
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shriveled or wrinkled with age.


interesting.  i wised up on the meaning of that word.  thanks subby.
 
2014-04-09 12:43:12 PM
Just because your kid is artistic you should not get to move to the front of the line! What is it with these artistic kids getting all of these deals!
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2014-04-09 12:44:57 PM

groppet: My favorite time to go to amusement parks was in October when the season was winding down. There were no lines for anything and a lot of times if you wanted to go on the same ride again you could just tell the people running it you wanted to go again. That all stopped when places started doing stuff all October for Halloween.


For the year-round parks, the best time to go is in January. Everyone's paying off their Christmas debt and all the kids are back in school, meaning there's hardly anyone at the parks. For the seasonal parks, September during the week is probably the best time to go because all the kids are back in school. Don't go in May, when they first open, because that's when all the schools do their end-of-the-year field trips to the amusement parks.

GORDON: cowsaregoodeating: Disney gave carte blanche to disabled people. Inconsiderate people found a way to use it for dishonest and profitable ways. Disney changed the policy so that disabled people are inconvenienced and dishonest people get no benefit.

Sounds like the way the world works. I hope the court case is thrown out and it cost the parents lots of money.

I was wheelchair bound from 2000-2004, but got to go to Disney World once, MAN did it piss me off seeing people take advantage.

Fat aint a disability, it's a choice.  Autistic... welp, I don't know how the entire world can accommodate those who just cannot function in the world.


This is one reason I like non-Disney parks, like Cedar Point and Kings Island. Most of the rides are roller coasters, and it's really difficult to abuse the system. Physics doesn't care if you think your fat-ass is entitled to skip the line, and you won't be allowed on the ride if you don't meet the requirements to ride safely.
 
2014-04-09 12:51:09 PM

PetuniaPumpkin: As someone who works daily with kids in the spectrum , I can say with confidence that most (but not all) Can wait in line without a meltdown. The important thing is to prepare them. You have to do work for a big trip like WDW: watch videos about the park, make a schedule for the day, plan sensory relief times, create a social story, practice waiting, pretend different scenarios in order to gain experience, etc.

You can't just waltz off and expect them to know what is happening with no preparation. If you do proper preparation, though, almost all children on the spectrum can understand the concept of returning to a ride for their turn at a specific point in time. It's hard but it's certainly doable.



After my years of participating and assisting with my daughter's classes and special group with the local autistic assistance center, I really have the opposite view.... the ones that could handle being in a line and waiting are very rare.

It's one thing to plan ahead, but autism is in large part a communication disorder, and very few can be explained something that will stay with them.

Most I've worked with were only able to gulp down the present situation and instructions relating to the present environment, and most would "move" on to their "reset" mode and not understand what they were doing or there for,

Please understand that I'm not belittling your experience at all, but I guess your experience is limited to the higher levels and functional ones.
 
2014-04-09 12:52:58 PM

CraicBaby: groppet: My favorite time to go to amusement parks was in October when the season was winding down. There were no lines for anything and a lot of times if you wanted to go on the same ride again you could just tell the people running it you wanted to go again. That all stopped when places started doing stuff all October for Halloween.

For the year-round parks, the best time to go is in January. Everyone's paying off their Christmas debt and all the kids are back in school, meaning there's hardly anyone at the parks. For the seasonal parks, September during the week is probably the best time to go because all the kids are back in school. Don't go in May, when they first open, because that's when all the schools do their end-of-the-year field trips to the amusement parks.

GORDON: cowsaregoodeating: Disney gave carte blanche to disabled people. Inconsiderate people found a way to use it for dishonest and profitable ways. Disney changed the policy so that disabled people are inconvenienced and dishonest people get no benefit.

Sounds like the way the world works. I hope the court case is thrown out and it cost the parents lots of money.

I was wheelchair bound from 2000-2004, but got to go to Disney World once, MAN did it piss me off seeing people take advantage.

Fat aint a disability, it's a choice.  Autistic... welp, I don't know how the entire world can accommodate those who just cannot function in the world.

This is one reason I like non-Disney parks, like Cedar Point and Kings Island. Most of the rides are roller coasters, and it's really difficult to abuse the system. Physics doesn't care if you think your fat-ass is entitled to skip the line, and you won't be allowed on the ride if you don't meet the requirements to ride safely.



We went to Universal Studios in Burbank on Friday and the lines were a breeze until around noon. No way we'll go during Summer, though. Can't wait for the kid to get over 4 feet so we can skip this stuff and go to Magic Mountain.
 
2014-04-09 12:58:28 PM

imfallen_angel: Heck, why not say what you really think


I pretty much did, I think. The point is that, no matter how you look at it, and as sad as it might seem to some folks, it's not right to expose everyone around you to a tantrum-throwing-screaming kid and then offer a simple explanation of "Oh, that's just the way he is" and figure that the rest of the world has to suck it up and deal with it. Back when he was alive I would have loved to bring my dog everywhere I went (he was better behaved than most children) but understood I could not. There are just some things that you need to do without (like going to the movies, etc) if you feel obligated to bring along a disruptive [handicapped] person. That's just the way it is.
 
2014-04-09 01:01:33 PM

imfallen_angel: as your son will hit puberty, expect changes


I remember back when he was 3 or 4 and his team was really pushing hard to get him to communicate ..., they made it really clear that by the time he was 9 or 10, there would be hell to pay when he started to realize that others could talk and he couldn't. And that he would be unable to voice frustration or requests. It's hard to even imagine him hitting puberty. I still think of him as a baby. He's probably on the level of a 3 year old right now, at age 10.

What worries me the most is that he has both OCD and Bipolar in his bloodline. So there's a 33% chance he'll be bipolar. I haven't found numbers on OCD yet (they don't even know WHY it's genetic yet, it just is). The OCD is already showing up starting this year, we think. If he's bipolar, it will be absolute hell. I guess it's good that we won't have to find a diagnosis for the behavior, at least. It took doctors years to find it in me.

I have always felt lucky, though. I was raised within an environment where I had daily close-contact with special needs individuals, and my boy lucked out that he landed with me. I feel lucky, because I know he was lucky and it makes me happy to take care of him. Dare I say, I'd rather not have a 'normal' child. This situation works out best for me.

I don't think I'd say the same if he was a girl, though. I'd be so paranoid about what people around her would be up to while I wasn't there. Things would be handled very differently in terms of school and such. Even now, I ask him about bruises or scratches he has and about half the time he can put it into words. I suspect kids at his school are making him curse and getting him trouble for it (he doesn't at home) and there was one incident last year where a little girl's face was shoved down into a water fountain or something, and the students said he did it but he's not at all hands-on or violent so I think someone pinned it on him. Stuff like that. Kids are assholes.
 
2014-04-09 01:02:58 PM

imfallen_angel: Well... my daughter who is autistic can pick a couch up easily and throw up if she wanted. Just grabbing my wife's wrist, she broke it twice. and this was when my daughter was around 12 years old... she's now 21.


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2014-04-09 01:04:22 PM
Oh, also, she said you'll get me when I'm old and wizened and not a day before that.
 
2014-04-09 01:05:48 PM
I used the disability pass a year and a half ago when we went to Disney. Without it, for all of the money we spent, we couldn't have done more than two rides a day, if that. We had to take two breaks a day for the kids to go back to the hotel and decompress. My son flipped right the fark out on the Haunted Mansion ride and we ended up being done with the park for that day. Oh my god. All of you assholes. All of you self-righteous internet assholes who think you farking know everything. YOU take this kid to Disney and see how farking well you fare. You have NO idea what my family goes through. You have NO need to be assholes to us. But you will. There will be three replies to this post telling me that my kid isn't autistic or that there is no such thing as autism. There will be five replies telling me that I'm a horrible parent. There will be 24 replies telling me how I should parent my autistic son. I will reply to none of them, because I've stopped engaging in discussion with assholes. I won't even be back here. I'll just hope that this post makes one of you dickweeds think about ...

sounds like this guy's got a case of Aspergers. You assholes!
 
2014-04-09 01:10:55 PM

MelGoesOnTour: imfallen_angel: Heck, why not say what you really think

I pretty much did


I think the point is valid, though the wording was a little too honest. You see this same thing come up constantly in restaurant threads where most of the thread agrees that people should just keep their kids at home if they can't handle it.

Things just get a little touchier once you bring up that their disabled. But, it's still true even though it's not PC to say it. I take my kid (10, autistic) to family restaurants and slap his iPad in front of him. He'll much on fries/chips/whatever and keep to himself in his own little world. But, I would never take him to a movie theater. I'm not even going to try. Because it would be a train wreck and piss off everyone else that paid $28 for their ticket.

Parents should tailor their activities to their kid's personalities. That's what spending time as a family is all about. Mutual interests. And not bothering those around you should be common sense. Should.
 
2014-04-09 01:13:56 PM

Bunny Deville: Okay, if you want your experience at Disney spoiled by my autistic kid who is going to whine and cry the entire time he is in line- he just pulled this crap when we went on vacation a couple of weeks ago, there's no way to stop him, spanking is illegal and wouldn't work anyway, and he gets LOUD and occasionally thrashes around- if that's what you WANT in line with you, then by all means, keep being snarky.


or leave the little potato at home if he can't compose himself in public
 
2014-04-09 01:18:34 PM

imfallen_angel: HotWingConspiracy:

I would work your daughter's head like a speed bag if she attacked me. Sorry, just being honest.

So...

you are:

1) think that people with handicaps are a scam


I never said that, read harder.

2) would beat an handicapped person because , well.. internet tough guy.

Because they attacked me. I'm not going to get pummeled to be a nice, understanding guy.

My daughter's mental capacity is because she's handicapped, what's your excuse?

/ps... it took 2 nurses and a security guard to stop her during the "bad times" when she was 12, you wouldn't even know what would have hit you... she's that fast.


I'm sorry, I'm not buying that your daughter is an autistic barbarian ninja.

/also, you completely missed the point, which was why some people with handicaps cannot wait patiently in line.

Don't put them in lines then.

/lastly, you'd touch my daughter, and it would be your last day.

Then keep her out of situations where she may attack people.
 
2014-04-09 01:18:54 PM

imfallen_angel: HotWingConspiracy:

I would work your daughter's head like a speed bag if she attacked me. Sorry, just being honest.

So...

you are:

1) think that people with handicaps are a scam
2) would beat an handicapped person because , well.. internet tough guy.

My daughter's mental capacity is because she's handicapped, what's your excuse?

/ps... it took 2 nurses and a security guard to stop her during the "bad times" when she was 12, you wouldn't even know what would have hit you... she's that fast.
/also, you completely missed the point, which was why some people with handicaps cannot wait patiently in line.
/lastly, you'd touch my daughter, and it would be your last day.


Then keep her on her farking leash.
 
2014-04-09 01:27:06 PM

JPSimonetti: Kids are assholes.


Yeah, and then those assholes grow up to be farkers as per some in here as you've probably seen.
 
2014-04-09 01:30:40 PM

JPSimonetti: Parents should tailor their activities to their kid's personalities. That's what spending time as a family is all about. Mutual interests. And not bothering those around you should be common sense. Should.


Well said. Bravo to you.  :)
 
2014-04-09 01:31:45 PM

Rex Kramer - Danger Seeker: Why don't you bring your autistic kid to a rave instead?


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2014-04-09 01:36:23 PM

MelGoesOnTour: imfallen_angel: Heck, why not say what you really think

I pretty much did, I think. The point is that, no matter how you look at it, and as sad as it might seem to some folks, it's not right to expose everyone around you to a tantrum-throwing-screaming kid and then offer a simple explanation of "Oh, that's just the way he is" and figure that the rest of the world has to suck it up and deal with it. Back when he was alive I would have loved to bring my dog everywhere I went (he was better behaved than most children) but understood I could not. There are just some things that you need to do without (like going to the movies, etc) if you feel obligated to bring along a disruptive [handicapped] person. That's just the way it is.


There's a huge difference between a kid that's throwing tantrums for the hell of it because of bad parenting and one that's got an handicap.

Even at her worse, my daughter was still better than a LOT of what I see from "normal" kids while the parent is busy taping on their phone or such.

There was a thread not long ago about bringing an autistic kid to the theatre (movie) and that was worth a  box of popcorn.

The point is, life is what it is, sometimes shiat happens, and you CAN'T compared a freaking dog to a person, sorry. But the point is, most responsible parents do the best to not be disruptive, and in this case, having a child with an handicap that prevents the child to not be disruptive if having to wait in line, well, the smart part is to let them just go... waiting for the next turn isn't going to kill anyone, Jesus Christ on a cracker, it's a freaking ride, not waiting for daily bread to eat otherwise you'd die here.

Between someone having to wait an extra turn or having the kid have an attack, seriously, the parents have to live with this every freaking day, and someone feels too important to wait a little extra which prevents a lot of headaches for everyone?

Sure, some places aren't a good choice to bring an handicapped person, but in places that are for families, to deny them the chance to be a little normal and do a family activity... come on, how conceived and self-serving must one be to get pissy about it.
 
2014-04-09 01:37:45 PM

Mr. Cat Poop: Then keep her on her farking leash.


nah, I keep that for your mom, she likes it extra tight.
 
2014-04-09 01:39:24 PM

HotWingConspiracy: /also, you completely missed the point, which was why some people with handicaps cannot wait patiently in line.

Don't put them in lines then.


Derp, isn't that the whole point of the article and this thread...

wow... seriously, can you even tie your own shoes?
 
2014-04-09 01:44:24 PM

HotWingConspiracy: Then keep her out of situations where she may attack people.


hey touch guy... I do, the point is to not put anyone in a bad situation, you're the one that whined about autism being a scam when people are saying that not having special privileges would cause hardship on everyone.

You appear to think that I should lock my daughter away and never let her see the light of day ever again, and that I shouldn't dare call a restaurant and ask them to reserve a table that's out of the way because, well, it's fraud.

Trust me, people like you really show how it's the wrong people that end up with these handicaps.  Get into an accident that leaves you paralyzed from the neck down and see how you like being treated like crap.,.. 'cause right now, you appear to be paralyzed from the neck up.
 
2014-04-09 01:47:18 PM

imfallen_angel: HotWingConspiracy:

I would work your daughter's head like a speed bag if she attacked me. Sorry, just being honest.

So...

you are:

1) think that people with handicaps are a scam
2) would beat an handicapped person because , well.. internet tough guy.

My daughter's mental capacity is because she's handicapped, what's your excuse?

/ps... it took 2 nurses and a security guard to stop her during the "bad times" when she was 12, you wouldn't even know what would have hit you... she's that fast.
/also, you completely missed the point, which was why some people with handicaps cannot wait patiently in line.
/lastly, you'd touch my daughter, and it would be your last day.


It's, like, an ITG duel.

/cool
 
2014-04-09 01:48:22 PM

imfallen_angel: HotWingConspiracy: /also, you completely missed the point, which was why some people with handicaps cannot wait patiently in line.

Don't put them in lines then.

Derp, isn't that the whole point of the article and this thread...


Yes, I know, they think they deserve special privileges to cut lines. Here's something to ponder - EVERY kid has difficulty standing in line.

wow... seriously, can you even tie your own shoes?

Of course, I'm not retarded.
 
2014-04-09 01:49:20 PM

imfallen_angel: HotWingConspiracy: Then keep her out of situations where she may attack people.

hey touch guy... I do, the point is to not put anyone in a bad situation, you're the one that whined about autism being a scam when people are saying that not having special privileges would cause hardship on everyone.

You appear to think that I should lock my daughter away and never let her see the light of day ever again, and that I shouldn't dare call a restaurant and ask them to reserve a table that's out of the way because, well, it's fraud.

Trust me, people like you really show how it's the wrong people that end up with these handicaps.  Get into an accident that leaves you paralyzed from the neck down and see how you like being treated like crap.,.. 'cause right now, you appear to be paralyzed from the neck up.


Maybe you should calm down a bit. It's pretty clear from the tone of your posts that it is YOU who is the problem causer (not so much your child). Sorry, son, but just because you want to do something doesn't mean that it's okay for you to disrupt everyone around you.
 
2014-04-09 01:51:15 PM

imfallen_angel: HotWingConspiracy: Then keep her out of situations where she may attack people.

hey touch guy... I do, the point is to not put anyone in a bad situation, you're the one that whined about autism being a scam


I never said that, I'm starting to think you have comprehension issues.

You appear to think that I should lock my daughter away and never let her see the light of day ever again, and that I shouldn't dare call a restaurant and ask them to reserve a table that's out of the way because, well, it's fraud.

Yeah, you don't know what words mean and how they interact to make sentences.

Trust me, people like you really show how it's the wrong people that end up with these handicaps.  Get into an accident that leaves you paralyzed from the neck down and see how you like being treated like crap.,.. 'cause right now, you appear to be paralyzed from the neck up.

If it happens, you won't find me suing over my imagined plight at Disney Land.
 
2014-04-09 01:56:51 PM
I'm in a wheelchair. I can sit in line all farking day.
 
2014-04-09 01:58:35 PM

imfallen_angel: MelGoesOnTour: imfallen_angel: Heck, why not say what you really think

I pretty much did, I think. The point is that, no matter how you look at it, and as sad as it might seem to some folks, it's not right to expose everyone around you to a tantrum-throwing-screaming kid and then offer a simple explanation of "Oh, that's just the way he is" and figure that the rest of the world has to suck it up and deal with it. Back when he was alive I would have loved to bring my dog everywhere I went (he was better behaved than most children) but understood I could not. There are just some things that you need to do without (like going to the movies, etc) if you feel obligated to bring along a disruptive [handicapped] person. That's just the way it is.

There's a huge difference between a kid that's throwing tantrums for the hell of it because of bad parenting and one that's got an handicap.

Even at her worse, my daughter was still better than a LOT of what I see from "normal" kids while the parent is busy taping on their phone or such.

There was a thread not long ago about bringing an autistic kid to the theatre (movie) and that was worth a  box of popcorn.

The point is, life is what it is, sometimes shiat happens, and you CAN'T compared a freaking dog to a person, sorry. But the point is, most responsible parents do the best to not be disruptive, and in this case, having a child with an handicap that prevents the child to not be disruptive if having to wait in line, well, the smart part is to let them just go... waiting for the next turn isn't going to kill anyone, Jesus Christ on a cracker, it's a freaking ride, not waiting for daily bread to eat otherwise you'd die here.

Between someone having to wait an extra turn or having the kid have an attack, seriously, the parents have to live with this every freaking day, and someone feels too important to wait a little extra which prevents a lot of headaches for everyone?

Sure, some places aren't a good choice to bring an hand ...


I know I'm fine with the program, but the anger is misplaced.

Be pissed at the people hiring disabled kids so they could cut in line and abused the system.

I'm honestly rethinking planning to go to Disneyland with the family.  $6000???? Are you farking kidding me?  I assume that is plane tickets (I'd drive from Oregon) and everything else that Bunny paid for, but goddamn...
 
2014-04-09 02:02:09 PM
imfallen_angel, The point you are consistently missing is that as unfortunate as your daughter's condition is, it isn't my daughter's, or his daughter's or so on. Sorry for your ordeal, but don't ask me to sacrifice my experience (which I paid just as much, if not more for) for your kid's benefit. It's not my fault you had an unfortunate turn of events, please don't make me pay for it.

Also, your quip about "it's just waiting a turn" shows that you either have never actually been to Disney world, or certainly never been in an airport. Watching overweight assholes boarding rides and flights before you just because they can is beyond annoying.
 
2014-04-09 02:04:06 PM

MelGoesOnTour: Maybe you should calm down a bit. It's pretty clear from the tone of your posts that it is YOU who is the problem causer


to be fair, he does it all the time. Anytime anyone disagrees with him, he goes on the ad-hominem attack, or calls you a troll. Every time. He's one of the most immature people I've ever seen who insists he's the only mature person in the room. He's pathetic.
 
2014-04-09 02:05:29 PM
Well... I see that the thread has degenerated as per usual with the usual self-deluded, self-serving type.


HotWingConspiracy: Of course, I'm not retarded.


At this point, I just can't believe that.

Bawdy George: It's, like, an ITG duel.


Nah.. more like palm and face making a connection as reading how some are just doing their best to show how nasty mouth breathers they are... I can't even call them human beings, as that normally is meant for people that have some compassion for others than themselves.

But hey, this is Fark/the internet.... it tends to make me lose hope for the future of humanity, and even hope for a zombie apocalypse.
 
2014-04-09 02:08:06 PM

imfallen_angel: point, I just can't believe that.


I can even stand in lines.
 
2014-04-09 02:11:49 PM

Geoff Peterson: MelGoesOnTour: Maybe you should calm down a bit. It's pretty clear from the tone of your posts that it is YOU who is the problem causer

to be fair, he does it all the time. Anytime anyone disagrees with him, he goes on the ad-hominem attack, or calls you a troll. Every time. He's one of the most immature people I've ever seen who insists he's the only mature person in the room. He's pathetic.


I don't like the ignore list just on principle, but I don't even use the color-coding thing.  Maybe I should start.
 
2014-04-09 02:12:17 PM
Imfallen,

The point most are trying to make is this: don't bring a handicapped person to a place that will make their condition worse.

Other than the rave that was brought up earlier, I can't think of a worse place to bring an autistic child than DW.

/don't torture your kid, then call everyone else assholes because they get upset at the child's screams.
 
2014-04-09 02:15:55 PM

meat0918: Be pissed at the people hiring disabled kids so they could cut in line and abused the system.


Hey, if the idiots in this thread could get their head out of their arses for a moment and understand that we all should not be tolerant of those that abuse any system and leave those that do have some need for a bit of leeway.

Geoff Peterson: imfallen_angel, The point you are consistently missing is that as unfortunate as your daughter's condition is, it isn't my daughter's, or his daughter's or so on. Sorry for your ordeal, but don't ask me to sacrifice my experience (which I paid just as much, if not more for) for your kid's benefit. It's not my fault you had an unfortunate turn of events, please don't make me pay for it.

Also, your quip about "it's just waiting a turn" shows that you either have never actually been to Disney world, or certainly never been in an airport. Watching overweight assholes boarding rides and flights before you just because they can is beyond annoying.


Again... be pissed at those that abuse the systems.  And if you'd have an handicapped child, you might grow the fark up about the subject and understand that maybe there's a lot more behind the situation and that unless you could understand it, you're being an arse.

It's not your fault... and you think I went in life wanting an handicapped child? so this is "my" fault?

Wow... just wow.

"Your experience" ? that's got to be the most self-centered, disgusting, pathetic comment in this whole thread.

Wow, talk about poor little princess syndrome.
 Damn, seriously, some of you are so pathetic that it's just ... I'm lost for words for how sad you are.


just....wow.
 
2014-04-09 02:24:19 PM

Private_Citizen: Imfallen,

The point most are trying to make is this: don't bring a handicapped person to a place that will make their condition worse.

Other than the rave that was brought up earlier, I can't think of a worse place to bring an autistic child than DW.

/don't torture your kid, then call everyone else assholes because they get upset at the child's screams.


Let's see... what if the kid, even if handicapped, actually loves going on rides?

Anyways,, I doubt that you'd understand the points I've made.... it's not about saying that others should deal with a screaming child, it's about preventing such a situation, but so many consider themselves so important that an extra minute to let an handicapped person go, is just beyond what they believe reasonable.

It just shows how pathetic the world (these people) is.

All I can say is that all the assholes that are whining about it, I will wish them a nasty accident so that they might live it for themselves and see how they'll enjoy it when while they are being pushed on a wheelchair, someone yells at them to go home so to not mess with "their experience".

When instead of a world where people care, want to help others and be understanding, it's GTFO, I'm more important.
 
2014-04-09 02:24:35 PM

hobnail: imfallen_angel: throw IT (not up)


arghhhhh

Thanks for fixing that-- I was thinking, super strength AND projectile vomiting at will?  Have you considered an excorcism?


Person in question...
images.wikia.com
 
2014-04-09 02:29:03 PM
If your kid is broken, just stay home.  You don't need to ruin everyone else's good time.

If you can't manage that level of human decency, stick to Knott's Berry Farm.  Everything there is equally broken and horrible, your little monster will fit right in.
 
2014-04-09 02:31:23 PM
Quite simply, all of us who have kids with disabilities want one primary, and one secondary goal for our children:
1.  To be happy
2.  To be a contributing member of society (which may not be possible, so we focus on #1).

Both of those items require exposing our children to different situations and activities.  Sometimes it works out well, sometimes it doesn't.  That is the reality of raising any kid: 'special needs' or not.

Instead of suggesting to keep our children home (why don't we just label them with the Star of David?), a simple smile or a bit of empathy goes a long way.  At most, we are in line together for 30 minutes and then we get to ride on the back of Dumbo for 45 seconds and we'll never see each other again.  Get over it.  We didn't ruin your day, and you didn't do anything to ours.
 
2014-04-09 02:35:05 PM

imfallen_angel: All I can say is that all the assholes that are whining about it, I will wish them a nasty accident so that they might live it for themselves and see how they'll enjoy it when while they are being pushed on a wheelchair, someone yells at them to go home so to not mess with "their experience".


I hope your daughter through some miracle gets better one day so she won't have to deal with any of this. You're a very hateful, vicious person.

Also, being pushed in a wheelchair isn't the same thing as a level 10 tard freak out.
 
2014-04-09 02:35:07 PM
imfallen_angel: After my years of participating and assisting with my daughter's classes and special group with the local autistic assistance center, I really have the opposite view.... the ones that could handle being in a line and waiting are very rare.

It's one thing to plan ahead, but autism is in large part a communication disorder, and very few can be explained something that will stay with them.

Most I've worked with were only able to gulp down the present situation and instructions relating to the present environment, and most would "move" on to their "reset" mode and not understand what they were doing or there for,

Please understand that I'm not belittling your experience at all, but I guess your experience is limited to the higher levels and functional ones.


Not offended at all.  Everyone has a different experience and I think it's great that you were able to be such an active part of your daughter's education.  I think I also mixed my message first by saying children can wait in line and then by saying they can wait and come back later.  Standing in line is certainly much harder, especially for children who have no concept of time.  My therapy kids range from 0-7 years old, though, so I can't state how it would affect older children.

I still stand by my statement, though.  The kids I work with are all cases severe enough that they are in self-contained classes.  Some are non-verbal, some use ASL, some use AAC devices.  I think for most of my kids if I worked on preparing them and gave them a schedule for the park with a schedule such as: 1. Parade, 2. Pictures 3. Lunch 4. Bathroom 5. Peter Pan ride  with an appropriate amount of practice they could understand that.  This would work just fine for kids who have a disability fast pass and can return at a prescheduled time to enter the ride. I would also, in case there was any sort of wait, give them things to do while waiting.

Now if the same children were expected to get to 5. Peter Pan Ride and then wait for 45 minutes to two hours, you are correct that that would be very hard for them.  But I think the point of the pass for Disney is that this is the issue it avoids.  It forces you to schedule the times of entry, but the waiting is limited.
 
2014-04-09 02:44:34 PM

Saners: I really don't get what they are suing for, or maybe I am just missing that detail in the article.

Does the ADA say that companies are not allowed to make disabled guests wait like every other customer? Or are you not allowed to single out specific disabilities by saying autisic people must wait while people in wheel chairs get the pass?


The parents are simply abusing the "reasonable accommodations" language in the ADA law.  To them, "reasonable" means "immediately, whenever we happen to show up."

IMHO, this is like the story of the autistic kid booed out of the theater for making a scene (actually, his asshat Mom made the scene by not leaving when the kid wanted to go).  If your kids can't wait in line, then perhaps a theme park isn't the best place to take them!

How about any of the major US parks instead?  Yellowstone, Joshua Tree, Yosemite, Grand Canyon, etc.  Even state parks would probably be a more enjoyable experience, given autistic kids' sensitivity to extreme stimuli.

Fark those parents.  THEY want to go, and are simply dragging the kids along as an excuse to avoid the lines.  Ask some autistic kid who visited Disney World 20 years ago what he remembers, and I'll guarantee it will have little to do with the park itself.
 
2014-04-09 02:44:42 PM

imfallen_angel: hey touch guy... I do, the point is to not put anyone in a bad situation, you're the one that whined about autism being a scam when people are saying that not having special privileges would cause hardship on everyone.


Hey man, I know HotWing.  He hasn't touched anything that someone didn't ask him too.
 
2014-04-09 02:45:13 PM

wxboy: So they might have to wait their turn just like everyone else, just not having to trudge through line?  The Horror!


To be fair, there are real issues with autistic kids where they aren't able to handle long lines in large crowds. That said, the people who were abusing this are/were out of control. Using the fast pass is a good solution for the issue, and it's available to all park visitors. There's also the option of, if the line gets too overwhelming, having one parent step out with the child while the other stays in line. Honestly, and I say this as the mother of an autistic child, I would rather my daughter become accustomed to standing in a line or otherwise functioning the same way the rest of society does. It's not easy, mind you, but the result is that she'll be able to live a normal life without needing my help when she's older.
 
2014-04-09 02:48:13 PM

HotWingConspiracy: imfallen_angel: All I can say is that all the assholes that are whining about it, I will wish them a nasty accident so that they might live it for themselves and see how they'll enjoy it when while they are being pushed on a wheelchair, someone yells at them to go home so to not mess with "their experience".

I hope your daughter through some miracle gets better one day so she won't have to deal with any of this. You're a very hateful, vicious person.

Also, being pushed in a wheelchair isn't the same thing as a level 10 tard freak out.


Actually, I'm not... assholes  just bring those things out.

And I agree, I'm sure that in a wheelchair isn't the same as you having a tantrum, but that isn't the point here.  The point, which you've missed yet again, is about the ability to be in a line for a fairly long amount of time.

I could have stated the same points about my wife who has Multiple Sclerosis.  She may perfectly normal to all assholes out there, but after a while, she will start to lose her balance and get weak.

So with your reasoning, she should also stay home to not be a bother to others if dare she get special treatment.

Remember, you assholes are whining that people with handicaps shouldn't have special privileges, and not one of you assholes are able to understand that life for anyone with a real handicap, life has no privileges... all of them would easily trade you their handicaps for the ability to stand in line.

Problem is.. this point is so far over your necks that your little princess complex can't understand this.
 
2014-04-09 02:49:27 PM

Bunny Deville: Oh my god. All of you assholes. All of you self-righteous internet assholes who think you farking know everything. YOU take this kid to Disney and see how farking well you fare. You have NO idea what my family goes through. You have NO need to be assholes to us.


How about this:  DON'T TAKE YOUR KID TO SENSORYOVERLOADLAND.

You have NO need to be assholes to everyone else in line when a trip to Disney is NOT some requirement for a long, fulfilling life!

Take them to the Everglades!  See NATURE.  ANIMALS.  etc.  Hell of a lot cheaper, and I suspect your demon spawn won't know the difference.
 
2014-04-09 02:51:19 PM

indy_kid: Ask some autistic kid who visited Disney World 20 years ago what he remembers, and I'll guarantee it will have little to do with the park itself.


How different is that from when you were 1 or 2 years old... if your parents had taken you to something/somewhere that made you laugh, clap your hands, glee with delight, etc....

That you don't remember it today makes it pointless for your parents to have done so.

Bad news if you have kids... you'll need to cage them until they are old enough to remember things in their adult life before you get to do anything.
 
2014-04-09 02:52:11 PM

indy_kid: You have NO need to be assholes to everyone else in line when a trip to Disney is NOT some requirement for a long, fulfilling life!


Then it's simple... just don't go yourself.

Problem solved.
 
2014-04-09 02:52:32 PM

indy_kid: Bunny Deville: Oh my god. All of you assholes. All of you self-righteous internet assholes who think you farking know everything. YOU take this kid to Disney and see how farking well you fare. You have NO idea what my family goes through. You have NO need to be assholes to us.

How about this:  DON'T TAKE YOUR KID TO SENSORYOVERLOADLAND.

You have NO need to be assholes to everyone else in line when a trip to Disney is NOT some requirement for a long, fulfilling life!

Take them to the Everglades!  See NATURE.  ANIMALS.  etc.  Hell of a lot cheaper, and I suspect your demon spawn won't know the difference.


Asshole != Autistic.  Know the difference.

If any autistic kid is considered an asshole in your book, perhaps you have some social/personal issues yourself.  You may want to get those addressed.
 
2014-04-09 02:55:41 PM

imfallen_angel: Private_Citizen: Imfallen,

The point most are trying to make is this: don't bring a handicapped person to a place that will make their condition worse.

Other than the rave that was brought up earlier, I can't think of a worse place to bring an autistic child than DW.

/don't torture your kid, then call everyone else assholes because they get upset at the child's screams.

Let's see... what if the kid, even if handicapped, actually loves going on rides?

Anyways,, I doubt that you'd understand the points I've made.... it's not about saying that others should deal with a screaming child, it's about preventing such a situation, but so many consider themselves so important that an extra minute to let an handicapped person go, is just beyond what they believe reasonable.

It just shows how pathetic the world (these people) is.

All I can say is that all the assholes that are whining about it, I will wish them a nasty accident so that they might live it for themselves and see how they'll enjoy it when while they are being pushed on a wheelchair, someone yells at them to go home so to not mess with "their experience".

When instead of a world where people care, want to help others and be understanding, it's GTFO, I'm more important.


Sure, some handicapped children would probbly love DW. But kids who freak out at sensory overload (like autistic kids)? Not so much.

I don't normally share, but I do understand. One of my daughters has a rare form of anemia that means she has greatly reduced endurance. I recently took the family to the zoo. When the hills and distance became too much for her, I put her on my shoulders (slightly more than 80lbs) and carried her for a few miles. Sure we got a few stares, but I doubt we ruined anyone's day.

I understood going in how it could end up. It's something you have to assess as a parent. If an event or location presents to much risk to my daughter, or would be beyond my ability to handle, then we don't go.

My problem with parents like bunny is it seems they put their desire to have a "normal" family experience ahead of the welfare of their children. Her child could not handle DW, and the problem wasn't with the people who noticed, it's with the parent who inflicted DW on their autistic child.
 
2014-04-09 02:58:06 PM
If you're pissed because the handicapped are accommodated, under law, by the ADA and you have to wait a few minutes to get on an airplane, park a few spot farther away, or wait that much longer in line at an overpriced tourist trap then there's no way around it: you're a piece of shiat.
 
2014-04-09 03:00:25 PM

imfallen_angel: HotWingConspiracy: imfallen_angel: All I can say is that all the assholes that are whining about it, I will wish them a nasty accident so that they might live it for themselves and see how they'll enjoy it when while they are being pushed on a wheelchair, someone yells at them to go home so to not mess with "their experience".

I hope your daughter through some miracle gets better one day so she won't have to deal with any of this. You're a very hateful, vicious person.

Also, being pushed in a wheelchair isn't the same thing as a level 10 tard freak out.

Actually, I'm not... assholes  just bring those things out.

And I agree, I'm sure that in a wheelchair isn't the same as you having a tantrum, but that isn't the point here.  The point, which you've missed yet again, is about the ability to be in a line for a fairly long amount of time.

I could have stated the same points about my wife who has Multiple Sclerosis.  She may perfectly normal to all assholes out there, but after a while, she will start to lose her balance and get weak.

So with your reasoning, she should also stay home to not be a bother to others if dare she get special treatment.

Remember, you assholes are whining that people with handicaps shouldn't have special privileges, and not one of you assholes are able to understand that life for anyone with a real handicap, life has no privileges... all of them would easily trade you their handicaps for the ability to stand in line.

Problem is.. this point is so far over your necks that your little princess complex can't understand this.


Sorry, but no matter how you want to frame this, the correct solution for people unable to stand in lines is to go places that there aren't any lines to deal with. shiatting all over everyone else by demanding the right  to cut the line shows very little interest in actually getting along.
 
2014-04-09 03:02:10 PM

Satanic_Hamster: imfallen_angel: hey touch guy... I do, the point is to not put anyone in a bad situation, you're the one that whined about autism being a scam when people are saying that not having special privileges would cause hardship on everyone.

Hey man, I know HotWing.  He hasn't touched anything that someone didn't ask him too.


It's an opt-in touching regimen.
 
2014-04-09 03:03:33 PM

Bunny Deville: I'm not going to shut him up in the hotel room the entire time because he can't handle the over-stimulation and freaks out while having to wait in a long, loud line.


Maybe you could make it your responsibility to choose a vacation more suitable for your child's temperament.

Are you insinuating that an amusement park ride is less stimulating than standing in a line?
 
2014-04-09 03:04:23 PM

imfallen_angel: Again... be pissed at those that abuse the systems. And if you'd have an handicapped child, you might grow the fark up about the subject and understand that maybe there's a lot more behind the situation and that unless you could understand it, you're being an arse.

It's not your fault... and you think I went in life wanting an handicapped child? so this is "my" fault?

Wow... just wow.

"Your experience" ? that's got to be the most self-centered, disgusting, pathetic comment in this whole thread.

Wow, talk about poor little princess syndrome.
Damn, seriously, some of you are so pathetic that it's just ... I'm lost for words for how sad you are.


just....wo


glad to see you haven't changed. Yes my experience, you douchebag. Why on God's green earth would I want your selfish, inconsiderate asshole of a person to take away from my experience? Leave your kid at home...or stay home yourself. If the kid cant function in society, leave her at home period.

I never said this was your fault. You did. I merely said it's your burden, asshole. Not mine.

Another thing, you should consider that her inability to function in civilized society isnt a handicap, so much as it is a daughter aping her asshole fathers behavior.
 
2014-04-09 03:05:53 PM

imfallen_angel: indy_kid: You have NO need to be assholes to everyone else in line when a trip to Disney is NOT some requirement for a long, fulfilling life!

Then it's simple... just don't go yourself.

Problem solved.


You do realize that your "...just don't go yourself" solution would mean that  the park is empty of everyone EXCEPT asshat parents with autistic kids?  Somehow, I don't think that's in Disney's business model.

/Have never been to Disney World, despite being stationed in Orlando for 9 months.  It's not my thing.
 
2014-04-09 03:08:18 PM

discordium: indy_kid: Bunny Deville: Oh my god. All of you assholes. All of you self-righteous internet assholes who think you farking know everything. YOU take this kid to Disney and see how farking well you fare. You have NO idea what my family goes through. You have NO need to be assholes to us.

How about this:  DON'T TAKE YOUR KID TO SENSORYOVERLOADLAND.

You have NO need to be assholes to everyone else in line when a trip to Disney is NOT some requirement for a long, fulfilling life!

Take them to the Everglades!  See NATURE.  ANIMALS.  etc.  Hell of a lot cheaper, and I suspect your demon spawn won't know the difference.

Asshole != Autistic.  Know the difference.

If any autistic kid is considered an asshole in your book, perhaps you have some social/personal issues yourself.  You may want to get those addressed.


I'm calling YOU the asshole for dragging an autistic kid into that sensory nightmare.  Reading Comprehension Fail.
 
2014-04-09 03:16:28 PM
I have A.D.D. and I get REALLY bored in long lines.  I should get a fast pass as well.  Where do we draw the line?
 
2014-04-09 03:17:28 PM

Private_Citizen: Sure, some handicapped children would probbly love DW. But kids who freak out at sensory overload (like autistic kids)? Not so much.


Well the problem is, as per this thread show is that everyone's an expert and judge all autistic person as the same, without the ability to understand that this is a spectrum ailment, so no two are the same.

One autistic kid could be overwhelmed by DW, so the parent should understand that and not bring the kid, another one could love it and would be a great experience for them.

How is that different from any other kid?

Look at this thread, so many that would believe themselves "normal" but to the rest of the world, they are absolutely vile assholes that the world would be better off without them.

So it's all a question of perspective, I'm sure that your daughter and mine are and will always be better persons than these assholes, but because of their handicaps, have certain limits and either they, or us as parents understand that. These assholes, not so much. (and that goes for their own limits to be decent human beings, which they can't do)
 
2014-04-09 03:18:16 PM

Eagles409: I have A.D.D. and I get REALLY bored in long lines.  I should get a fast pass as well.  Where do we draw the line?


You get to bring a pocketful of toys.  Otherwise, you'll just go and move on to the next line.
 
2014-04-09 03:19:00 PM

indy_kid: imfallen_angel: indy_kid: You have NO need to be assholes to everyone else in line when a trip to Disney is NOT some requirement for a long, fulfilling life!

Then it's simple... just don't go yourself.

Problem solved.

You do realize that your "...just don't go yourself" solution would mean that  the park is empty of everyone EXCEPT asshat parents with autistic kids?  Somehow, I don't think that's in Disney's business model.

/Have never been to Disney World, despite being stationed in Orlando for 9 months.  It's not my thing.


No... it would simply be better people than yourself.
 
2014-04-09 03:20:53 PM

Geoff Peterson: glad to see you haven't changed. Yes my experience, you douchebag. Why on God's green earth would I want your selfish, inconsiderate asshole of a person to take away from my experience? Leave your kid at home...or stay home yourself. If the kid cant function in society, leave her at home period.

I never said this was your fault. You did. I merely said it's your burden, asshole. Not mine.

Another thing, you should consider that her inability to function in civilized society isnt a handicap, so much as it is a daughter aping her asshole fathers behavior.


What about your inability to function in a civilized way?

Sorry princess, it's not just about you in the world... hate to break your hymen there, but really, you should go see a pro about these things.
 
2014-04-09 03:23:38 PM

indy_kid: discordium: indy_kid: Bunny Deville: Oh my god. All of you assholes. All of you self-righteous internet assholes who think you farking know everything. YOU take this kid to Disney and see how farking well you fare. You have NO idea what my family goes through. You have NO need to be assholes to us.

How about this:  DON'T TAKE YOUR KID TO SENSORYOVERLOADLAND.

You have NO need to be assholes to everyone else in line when a trip to Disney is NOT some requirement for a long, fulfilling life!

Take them to the Everglades!  See NATURE.  ANIMALS.  etc.  Hell of a lot cheaper, and I suspect your demon spawn won't know the difference.

Asshole != Autistic.  Know the difference.

If any autistic kid is considered an asshole in your book, perhaps you have some social/personal issues yourself.  You may want to get those addressed.

I'm calling YOU the asshole for dragging an autistic kid into that sensory nightmare.  Reading Comprehension Fail.



I truly hope that when/if you have children that this is not something with which you will be faced.  I truly do, and though I am an asshole in your book, I completely mean every bit of that last sentence.

And no one is dragging a child anywhere.  Seriously.  Get over yourself.  Autistic children can be obsessed with various shows (Disney shows!) and trains.  Disney can bring those dreams to life for the child, and you can even find a connection with your child that you would not otherwise have.  The smile that you would not get (almost ever) when your child is on a Disney train (or with Mickey, etc) is amazing, if-not-fleeting.  I would stand in line for hours if it meant I could connect with my son and relate to him in a way that he sees the world, and I would forever stand in line if that meant he would be cured of autism.

Trust me, I would not be standing next to stinky, sweaty, tourists unless there was a damn good reason.  Seeing a smile on a child who often does not have one is well worth it.  Being able to get your son to say more than one word at a time when he sees Mickey is well worth it.  Standing in line and doing my best to keep him contained and calm is worth it.

Go fark yourself and learn more about the disorder.  I will be in line with my child, if you can handle it: It's not changing nor would I ever ask for a pass to skip the line.  Kids with CP or MD have significantly less endurance and need that help.
 
2014-04-09 03:24:51 PM

HotWingConspiracy: Sorry, but no matter how you want to frame this, the correct solution for people unable to stand in lines is to go places that there aren't any lines to deal with. shiatting all over everyone else by demanding the right to cut the line shows very little interest in actually getting along.


Well, just be sure to bring up that anyone with an handicap is called "shiatting all over everyone else" in every conversation that you can, it'll be a real party starter.

Only assholes believe that letting someone with an handicap pass in front is a show of very little interest in getting along, if you can't understand that being born with an handicap sucks and getting a break now and then is simply a nice thing, well....

I guess this warrants you being given a "poor little princess" badge.
 
2014-04-09 03:29:20 PM

imfallen_angel: What about your inability to function in a civilized way?

Sorry princess, it's not just about you in the world... hate to break your hymen there, but really, you should go see a pro about these things.


making shiat up to back up your point doesnt automatically allow you to 'win', dumbass.
 
2014-04-09 03:31:30 PM

Geoff Peterson: imfallen_angel: What about your inability to function in a civilized way?

Sorry princess, it's not just about you in the world... hate to break your hymen there, but really, you should go see a pro about these things.

making shiat up to back up your point doesnt automatically allow you to 'win', dumbass.


You know that you are really not helping yourself with the whole not being a "tard" thing...

I guess :

"tard" = for those special moments when just being an asshole just isn't enough.
 
2014-04-09 03:33:07 PM
I have to say... I so would hate to see the three asshole princess from this thread have kids.

I would have so much pity for these kids.

Seriously, you guys have to be wearing bicycle helmets 24/7.
 
2014-04-09 03:34:07 PM

imfallen_angel: Geoff Peterson: imfallen_angel: What about your inability to function in a civilized way?

Sorry princess, it's not just about you in the world... hate to break your hymen there, but really, you should go see a pro about these things.

making shiat up to back up your point doesnt automatically allow you to 'win', dumbass.

You know that you are really not helping yourself with the whole not being a "tard" thing...

I guess :

"tard" = for those special moments when just being an asshole just isn't enough.


Sure whatever. I'm not the one being a complete asshole and then complaining that no one wants to give me special treatment. You can say all the snarky things you want, but it doesnt change the fact that I am right and you are wrong.
 
2014-04-09 03:35:51 PM

imfallen_angel: HotWingConspiracy: Sorry, but no matter how you want to frame this, the correct solution for people unable to stand in lines is to go places that there aren't any lines to deal with. shiatting all over everyone else by demanding the right to cut the line shows very little interest in actually getting along.

Well, just be sure to bring up that anyone with an handicap is called "shiatting all over everyone else" in every conversation that you can, it'll be a real party starter.


I certainly don't mind telling their parents that, especially the ones that are farking suing over it.

Only assholes believe that letting someone with an handicap pass in front is a show of very little interest in getting along, if you can't understand that being born with an handicap sucks and getting a break now and then is simply a nice thing, well....

And if you don't "get a break" that you feel shows enough fealty to your situation, you sue?

I guess this warrants you being given a "poor little princess" badge.

Again, you're a hateful person. Karma hit your ass hard.
 
2014-04-09 03:37:15 PM

Geoff Peterson: imfallen_angel: Again... be pissed at those that abuse the systems. And if you'd have an handicapped child, you might grow the fark up about the subject and understand that maybe there's a lot more behind the situation and that unless you could understand it, you're being an arse.

It's not your fault... and you think I went in life wanting an handicapped child? so this is "my" fault?

Wow... just wow.

"Your experience" ? that's got to be the most self-centered, disgusting, pathetic comment in this whole thread.

Wow, talk about poor little princess syndrome.
Damn, seriously, some of you are so pathetic that it's just ... I'm lost for words for how sad you are.


just....wo

glad to see you haven't changed. Yes my experience, you douchebag. Why on God's green earth would I want your selfish, inconsiderate asshole of a person to take away from my experience? Leave your kid at home...or stay home yourself. If the kid cant function in society, leave her at home period.

I never said this was your fault. You did. I merely said it's your burden, asshole. Not mine.

Another thing, you should consider that her inability to function in civilized society isnt a handicap, so much as it is a daughter aping her asshole fathers behavior.


We all go to these insane crazy, sweaty, hot, smelly, crowded places for similar reasons: To have fun or see a smile on someone's face.

If <b>anyone</b> impacts you so much that your experience is significantly altered, perhaps you should stay home? The world is full of different people, and some compassion and empathy go a long way.

I will give you the benefit of the doubt that your would be impacted if someone broke a ride or physically injured you... Then yes, I, too would be impacted (and understand).  Otherwise a screaming kid bumping into me or someone being rude doesn't, nor should it, alter my day.
 
2014-04-09 03:37:48 PM

imfallen_angel: I have to say... I so would hate to see the three asshole princess from this thread have kids.

I would have so much pity for these kids.

Seriously, you guys have to be wearing bicycle helmets 24/7.


Why would someone with a kid like yours be constantly tossing out retard jokes? I'm getting the sense that you're pretty sensitive about your own situation and nobody else's.
 
2014-04-09 03:42:18 PM

Geoff Peterson: Sure whatever. I'm not the one being a complete asshole1and then complaining that no one wants to give me special treatment. You can say all the snarky things you want, but it doesnt change the fact that I am right and you are wrong2.


1yes, yes you are... you just can't see it from that horse you're on.

2confirmation

It's a question that you don't need special treatment, someone with an handicap does, but then again, the way you're posting, it's becoming debatable.
 
2014-04-09 03:43:32 PM

HotWingConspiracy: Again, you're a hateful person. Karma hit your ass hard.


LOL... really... keep trying.
 
2014-04-09 03:45:21 PM

HotWingConspiracy: imfallen_angel: I have to say... I so would hate to see the three asshole princess from this thread have kids.

I would have so much pity for these kids.

Seriously, you guys have to be wearing bicycle helmets 24/7.

Why would someone with a kid like yours be constantly tossing out retard jokes? I'm getting the sense that you're pretty sensitive about your own situation and nobody else's.


Well, the difference between you and me is, I know the difference between someone that's handicapped, and someone that's an stupid asshole.

The first is the topic of the thread, the second is you.
 
2014-04-09 03:47:52 PM

imfallen_angel: HotWingConspiracy: imfallen_angel: I have to say... I so would hate to see the three asshole princess from this thread have kids.

I would have so much pity for these kids.

Seriously, you guys have to be wearing bicycle helmets 24/7.

Why would someone with a kid like yours be constantly tossing out retard jokes? I'm getting the sense that you're pretty sensitive about your own situation and nobody else's.

Well, the difference between you and me is, I know the difference between someone that's handicapped, and someone that's an stupid asshole.

The first is the topic of the thread, the second is you.


Do you tell your daughter retard jokes? Your hate farked up your sperm, hoss. Feel bad for you.
 
2014-04-09 03:49:18 PM

HotWingConspiracy: Do you tell your daughter retard jokes? Your hate farked up your sperm, hoss. Feel bad for you.


Why would I talk to her about you?
 
2014-04-09 03:50:06 PM

JPSimonetti: imfallen_angel: as your son will hit puberty, expect changes

I remember back when he was 3 or 4 and his team was really pushing hard to get him to communicate ..., they made it really clear that by the time he was 9 or 10, there would be hell to pay when he started to realize that others could talk and he couldn't. And that he would be unable to voice frustration or requests. It's hard to even imagine him hitting puberty. I still think of him as a baby. He's probably on the level of a 3 year old right now, at age 10.

What worries me the most is that he has both OCD and Bipolar in his bloodline. So there's a 33% chance he'll be bipolar. I haven't found numbers on OCD yet (they don't even know WHY it's genetic yet, it just is). The OCD is already showing up starting this year, we think. If he's bipolar, it will be absolute hell. I guess it's good that we won't have to find a diagnosis for the behavior, at least. It took doctors years to find it in me.

I have always felt lucky, though. I was raised within an environment where I had daily close-contact with special needs individuals, and my boy lucked out that he landed with me. I feel lucky, because I know he was lucky and it makes me happy to take care of him. Dare I say, I'd rather not have a 'normal' child. This situation works out best for me.

I don't think I'd say the same if he was a girl, though. I'd be so paranoid about what people around her would be up to while I wasn't there. Things would be handled very differently in terms of school and such. Even now, I ask him about bruises or scratches he has and about half the time he can put it into words. I suspect kids at his school are making him curse and getting him trouble for it (he doesn't at home) and there was one incident last year where a little girl's face was shoved down into a water fountain or something, and the students said he did it but he's not at all hands-on or violent so I think someone pinned it on him. Stuff like that. Kids are assholes.


You sound like an awesome parent. Your kid is so lucky to have you.
 
2014-04-09 03:51:47 PM

imfallen_angel: HotWingConspiracy: Do you tell your daughter retard jokes? Your hate farked up your sperm, hoss. Feel bad for you.

Why would I talk to her about you?


I was the guy that punched her in the face for attacking me after her parents made a series of terrible decisions regarding her care and well being.
 
2014-04-09 04:08:58 PM

HotWingConspiracy: imfallen_angel: HotWingConspiracy: Do you tell your daughter retard jokes? Your hate farked up your sperm, hoss. Feel bad for you.

Why would I talk to her about you?

I was the guy that punched her in the face for attacking me after her parents made a series of terrible decisions regarding her care and well being.


LOL... dang you must have been dropped a lot as a baby.  Seriously, didn't your parent show you anything at all about being a decent human being... all this compensation you're doing, even for a ITG is hilarious.
 
2014-04-09 04:18:11 PM

HotWingConspiracy: I was the guy that punched her in the face for attacking me after her parents made a series of terrible decisions regarding her care and well being.


As you have no clue to what you're talking about, do not have a clue about my parenting skills, the steps and things that we took towards her behavior and handicap, well... you should return to your sources, you're the one that stated that autism was a scam.

HotWingConspiracy: Hahahha, what a scam these people have going.


You sure sounded smart then, and still haven't improved....
 
2014-04-09 04:40:57 PM
If I was autistic and had "trouble spending time in lines" I probably wouldn't go to disneyworld. Instead of trying to force the rest of the world to recognize what a beautiful, unique snowflake your crotchgoblin is, do something that crotchgoblin would actually enjoy.
 
2014-04-09 05:11:27 PM

Bunny Deville: Okay, if you want your experience at Disney spoiled by my autistic kid who is going to whine and cry the entire time he is in line- he just pulled this crap when we went on vacation a couple of weeks ago, there's no way to stop him, spanking is illegal and wouldn't work anyway, and he gets LOUD and occasionally thrashes around- if that's what you WANT in line with you, then by all means, keep being snarky.


First off, you sound like a major asshole.

But on second thought, you sound even more like a major asshole.

 
2014-04-09 05:13:38 PM

imfallen_angel: HotWingConspiracy: I was the guy that punched her in the face for attacking me after her parents made a series of terrible decisions regarding her care and well being.

As you have no clue to what you're talking about, do not have a clue about my parenting skills, the steps and things that we took towards her behavior and handicap, well... you should return to your sources, you're the one that stated that autism was a scam.

HotWingConspiracy: Hahahha, what a scam these people have going.

You sure sounded smart then, and still haven't improved....


anyone reading this thread knows tons about your parenting skills, hoss.
 
2014-04-09 05:16:36 PM

discordium: We all go to these insane crazy, sweaty, hot, smelly, crowded places for similar reasons: To have fun or see a smile on someone's face.

If <b>anyone</b> impacts you so much that your experience is significantly altered, perhaps you should stay home? The world is full of different people, and some compassion and empathy go a long way.

I will give you the benefit of the doubt that your would be impacted if someone broke a ride or physically injured you... Then yes, I, too would be impacted (and understand). Otherwise a screaming kid bumping into me or someone being rude doesn't, nor should it, alter my day.


wow. you must be the assholes wife. Same thing applies to you as applies to him. Why do I owe you compassion? When were you ever compassionate toward me? Why are you so arrogant as to not only expect it, but DEMAND it from people you don't know?
 
2014-04-09 05:21:28 PM

Geoff Peterson: anyone reading this thread knows tons about your parenting skills, hoss.


Of course they do... you're such a specialist on people and it show...

Please elaborate... I'm quite curious on what makes you an expert on my parenting skills.
 
2014-04-09 05:30:07 PM

HotWingConspiracy: Again, you're a hateful person. Karma hit your ass hard.


I've had that asshole labeled as a troll for a long time.  I doubt he has a daughter.  He's just screaming nonsense in order to get people to scream back.  That's what trolls do.
 
2014-04-09 05:37:24 PM

Geoff Peterson: wow. you must be the assholes wife. Same thing applies to you as applies to him. Why do I owe you compassion? When were you ever compassionate toward me? Why are you so arrogant as to not only expect it, but DEMAND it from people you don't know?


Funny how much irony you managed to place in a couple of lines of text.

Let me give you an idea on what it is to be a decent human being.

Before I had my daughter, if someone was handicapped, I'd be compassionate about it and be happy to assist if I could.

I figured that I was lucky enough to not be handicapped, and respected that fact.

Once I had my daughter, I did all I could to not disturb others, have her behave as well as possible, actually, until her hormonal changes, she was a "perfect" little girl, she was very well behaved, curious but respectful, and not a single person could resist her smile.

Then she changed, she became rough, aggressive, so I consulted doctors and such, and limited the outings, always making sure that she was never on the side of being able to grab people, always holding her hands.  I hospitalized her so that the doctors could find some meds that would stabilize her... this took a long time, during which, she no longer could be taken out unless absolutely needed.

She has stabilized since as we finally found the right meds that helped her. We've managed to take her out a few times in the last couple of years, without incidents, if anything, things went extremely well.

Lately, we took her off one of her meds to test how she's react (after all, the less meds one needs to take, the better), and to our surprise, she reacted very well and her mood is off the walls happy all the time, she is hilarious and doing very well.

So, in regards to this thread... would I take her to DW is I could? Hell yes.  Would I want to have a instant get on the rides for her, you betcha as keeping her moving would ensure that she'd be busy enough to not get sick and angry of standing still, causing a possibility of things getting difficult, not just for her or me, but anyone around.

Thanks to her handicap, there's a million things that she will never get to know, never get to experience, so you know what.... if she was to enjoy going on rides for a day, maybe, she can have a good day out of the shiatting hand she was given in life.  I plan to do all I can so that she has a good life because she didn't do anything to be like this.

Self-centered assholes like you that believe that you "deserve" something out of life, well, can go fark yourselves, you freaking good for nothing, low-life scummy snowflake princess.
 
2014-04-09 05:40:45 PM

JuggleGeek: HotWingConspiracy: Again, you're a hateful person. Karma hit your ass hard.

I've had that asshole labeled as a troll for a long time.  I doubt he has a daughter.  He's just screaming nonsense in order to get people to scream back.  That's what trolls do.


Hey dude, I understand that you're a moron, but you weren't even worth putting a label to your name, so I guess I must have pissed on your cereal once, probably because you were a moron.

If you actually knew me instead of assuming shiat to make yourself fell all smart and crap... well, good for you.

BTW, I almost said that whiteknighting Hotwing wasn't going to get him to sleep with you, but at this point... who knows, keep sucking him off.
 
2014-04-09 05:52:34 PM
What a piece of f*ckin' work This guy is.  I know I've seen him around, but I don't recall him being this bad.  Is he always like this?  And not the slightest bit entertaining, even.

Yeah, I'm definitely going to start color coding certain people.
 
2014-04-09 05:52:55 PM

imfallen_angel: MelGoesOnTour: imfallen_angel: Heck, why not say what you really think

I pretty much did, I think. The point is that, no matter how you look at it, and as sad as it might seem to some folks, it's not right to expose everyone around you to a tantrum-throwing-screaming kid and then offer a simple explanation of "Oh, that's just the way he is" and figure that the rest of the world has to suck it up and deal with it. Back when he was alive I would have loved to bring my dog everywhere I went (he was better behaved than most children) but understood I could not. There are just some things that you need to do without (like going to the movies, etc) if you feel obligated to bring along a disruptive [handicapped] person. That's just the way it is.

There's a huge difference between a kid that's throwing tantrums for the hell of it because of bad parenting and one that's got an handicap.

Even at her worse, my daughter was still better than a LOT of what I see from "normal" kids while the parent is busy taping on their phone or such.

There was a thread not long ago about bringing an autistic kid to the theatre (movie) and that was worth a  box of popcorn.

The point is, life is what it is, sometimes shiat happens, and you CAN'T compared a freaking dog to a person, sorry. But the point is, most responsible parents do the best to not be disruptive, and in this case, having a child with an handicap that prevents the child to not be disruptive if having to wait in line, well, the smart part is to let them just go... waiting for the next turn isn't going to kill anyone, Jesus Christ on a cracker, it's a freaking ride, not waiting for daily bread to eat otherwise you'd die here.

Between someone having to wait an extra turn or having the kid have an attack, seriously, the parents have to live with this every freaking day, and someone feels too important to wait a little extra which prevents a lot of headaches for everyone?

Sure, some places aren't a good choice to bring an hand ...


The problem wasn't that it's one kid having a problem and getting to skip the line.   The problem was that it was the kid and his 8 relatives, and that kid over there with her 5 relatives, and the guy sitting there with his 15 grandkids, etc.   The GAC was being overused.   At one point, at Disneyland, they counted 2000 GACs being handed out on one day alone  (that number is just the ones handed out that day, not including the ones out the day or the week or the month before).   It was not meant to be a "Front of the line" pass, but it morphed into one because people would get it and stomp their feet until they got their way. 

Let's look at this example:   you were at the head of the line of, let's say, Haunted Mansion.  It seats 2 people per "buggy".  .  Estimate they load 50 buggies (100 people) every 5 minutes.
 
You've already waited 60 minutes to ride this ride

They stop your line and allow the GAC people to enter.  There are 20 people with GAC cards coming in, with their 80 family members.   That is now 100 people ahead of you.  That puts you back 50 "buggies".    That's a 5 minute wait.  So now, you are at 65 minutes.  Then they let in 100 people from the FP line, so that's another 5 minutes.   You're boarding at 70 minutes. 

Now, what if you are the 100th person in the original line, having waited 65 minutes (assuming they entered 5 minutes after #1) since you became #100.  Since they stop the line, you are now at 75 minutes before you start moving again.   But as you move up to the front of the line, at 80 minutes, they once again stop your line to allow the GAC holders to go on, say with the same numbers as before, and then the FP line (with same numbers).   So your 65 minute wait has become 90 minutes. 

This is what the GAC did.   It wasn't equal access.  

The new DAS doesn't allow them to just enter the line and skip to the front.  There is a wait to get in the FP line, and then the wait for the FP line to move.   This gives the CM (cast member) more control on moving the FP line into the mainstream line at loading, because they aren't having to sort out who gets to get on first, disabled or nondisabled.  Everyone loads at the same rate (well, except for those who need wheelchair accessible cars/buggies, but that is another ball of wax they need to work on).
 
2014-04-09 06:07:07 PM

Mistress Jedana: The problem wasn't that it's one kid having a problem and getting to skip the line. The problem was that it was the kid and his 8 relatives, and that kid over there with her 5 relatives, and the guy sitting there with his 15 grandkids, etc. The GAC was being overused. At one point, at Disneyland, they counted 2000 GACs being handed out on one day alone (that number is just the ones handed out that day, not including the ones out the day or the week or the month before). It was not meant to be a "Front of the line" pass, but it morphed into one because people would get it and stomp their feet until they got their way.


Oh, and I agree,

I've already stated that those that abuse these special services are the one that should get the hate.

Personally, if I was to be in a situation of having a special pass, I'd refuse to abuse it and would have only one person to go with my daughter, taking turns between those that would be with me, namely my wife and other kids, while the rest would wait as normal.

Maybe the fact that I wouldn't go someplace that lines take hours with my family, I'd research the better times of the year, time of day, etc. because, no one likes to wait in line.

Heck, when my daughter was young, when I went to fairs and such, she waited in line with me and the others, I'd keep them distracted best I could and if the line would take too long, I'd find something else to go do.

As mentioned earlier, my wife has MS, we do have a handicap parking pass due to it, and unless she is with me, it doesn't get used, I absolutely refuse to abuse it, but it's amazing how many will mention "why not use it?" because they're freaking lazy.


It's common sense and just the right thing to do... but as per this thread shows, not many can handle being decent human beings.
 
2014-04-09 06:18:25 PM

HotWingConspiracy: imfallen_angel: HotWingConspiracy: Hahahha, what a scam these people have going.

Well... my daughter who is autistic can pick a couch up easily and throw up if she wanted.  Just grabbing my wife's wrist, she broke it twice.  and this was when my daughter was around 12 years old... she's now 21.

I would be amused to watch you go in fetal position if you were to have to be next to her if she was to have a freak out.

/when we do take her out, we call ahead to inform wherever we are going that we'll need certain preparation. Never had a problem.

I would work your daughter's head like a speed bag if she attacked me. Sorry, just being honest.



You know... I just realized something even more pathetic in all thing back and forth.

I said: if she was to have a freak out

You go with: I would work your daughter's head like a speed bag if she attacked me

I never said anything about her touching you.... wow... right there I should have know how much of a piece of waste of skin you are. Damn... you're really pathetic.
 
2014-04-09 06:28:04 PM

imfallen_angel: HotWingConspiracy: I was the guy that punched her in the face for attacking me after her parents made a series of terrible decisions regarding her care and well being.

As you have no clue to what you're talking about, do not have a clue about my parenting skills, the steps and things that we took towards her behavior and handicap, well... you should return to your sources, you're the one that stated that autism was a scam.


I never said that, I don't know what you're talking about.
 
2014-04-09 06:30:02 PM

JuggleGeek: HotWingConspiracy: Again, you're a hateful person. Karma hit your ass hard.

I've had that asshole labeled as a troll for a long time.  I doubt he has a daughter.


I think it's clear that he adopted a handicapped kid to molest.
 
2014-04-09 06:59:31 PM

HotWingConspiracy: JuggleGeek: HotWingConspiracy: Again, you're a hateful person. Karma hit your ass hard.

I've had that asshole labeled as a troll for a long time.  I doubt he has a daughter.

I think it's clear that he adopted a handicapped kid to molest.


Wow, not only are you an asshole and proving it, but going to this level... wow.
 
2014-04-09 07:16:25 PM

imfallen_angel: HotWingConspiracy: JuggleGeek: HotWingConspiracy: Again, you're a hateful person. Karma hit your ass hard.

I've had that asshole labeled as a troll for a long time.  I doubt he has a daughter.

I think it's clear that he adopted a handicapped kid to molest.

Wow, not only are you an asshole and proving it, but going to this level... wow.


Well you're trolling anyway, I don't care about your fake retarded daughter anymore.
 
2014-04-09 07:21:58 PM

ten foiled hats: What a piece of f*ckin' work This guy is. I know I've seen him around, but I don't recall him being this bad. Is he always like this? And not the slightest bit entertaining, even.


He's always like this.

imfallen_angel: I never said anything about her touching you....


lets check the post he quoted :
Well... my daughter who is autistic can pick a couch up easily and throw up if she wanted.  Just grabbing my wife's wrist, she broke it twice.  and this was when my daughter was around 12 years old... she's now 21.

I would be amused to watch you go in fetal position if you were to have to be next to her if she was to have a freak out.


Yeah, you're talking about how she's strong enough to throw a couch, and how she attacked your wife, and how scared he would be if she started freaking out on him.

Not that it matters, since you are just making up bullshiat.
 
2014-04-09 07:55:26 PM

HotWingConspiracy: Well you're trolling anyway, I don't care about your fake retarded daughter anymore.


yeah... "I" am the one trolling..

JuggleGeek: Not that it matters, since you are just making up bullshiat.


You know the funniest part, is that I've not lied about a simple thing... come over to Ottawa, I'll be happy to show you.
 
2014-04-09 10:27:43 PM

HotWingConspiracy: Bunny Deville: I'll just hope that this post makes one of you dickweeds think about what you're saying.

Yeah it's made me even less sympathetic.


Hell, it makes me smile knowing the shiat she has to go through.
 
2014-04-09 11:14:25 PM
To sum it all up:

Parents: We have a handicapped child.  He is autistic and unable to wait in line.  We want to cut in line.
Disneyland: You can pre-schedule your rides and not have to wait in line.
Parents: No!  We just want to cut in front of everyone else.
Disneyland: Our accommodations already eliminate your child's wait in line without being unfair to the other guests.
Parents:  WE DEMAND SPECIAL TREATMENT!!  WE'RE GONNA SUE!111
 
2014-04-10 01:16:05 AM

Bunny Deville: Okay, if you want your experience at Disney spoiled by my autistic kid who is going to whine and cry the entire time he is in line- he just pulled this crap when we went on vacation a couple of weeks ago, there's no way to stop him, spanking is illegal and wouldn't work anyway, and he gets LOUD and occasionally thrashes around- if that's what you WANT in line with you, then by all means, keep being snarky.

"Then why don't you just discipline him?" My god, do you think we don't? But on a $6,000 vacation, I'm not going to shut him up in the hotel room the entire time because he can't handle the over-stimulation and freaks out while having to wait in a long, loud line.

"Why not keep him home?" Sure, let me just tell my 7 year old that he can't go on vacation with the rest of the family. or, better yet, tell his sister that we can't go because of her brother. I'm sure that'll work out well.

I used the disability pass a year and a half ago when we went to Disney. Without it, for all of the money we spent, we couldn't have done more than two rides a day, if that. We had to take two breaks a day for the kids to go back to the hotel and decompress. My son flipped right the fark out on the Haunted Mansion ride and we ended up being done with the park for that day. Oh my god. All of you assholes. All of you self-righteous internet assholes who think you farking know everything. YOU take this kid to Disney and see how farking well you fare. You have NO idea what my family goes through. You have NO need to be assholes to us. But you will. There will be three replies to this post telling me that my kid isn't autistic or that there is no such thing as autism. There will be five replies telling me that I'm a horrible parent. There will be 24 replies telling me how I should parent my autistic son. I will reply to none of them, because I've stopped engaging in discussion with assholes. I won't even be back here. I'll just hope that this post makes one of you dickweeds think about ...


And yet, here you are.  If you're done engaging us, then we're done pandering to you.  You are not special.  Your child is not special.  Go be unique somewhere else.
 
2014-04-10 08:42:57 AM

imfallen_angel: Self-centered assholes like you that believe that you "deserve" something out of life, well, can go fark yourselves, you freaking good for nothing, low-life scummy snowflake princess.


Do you even read the shiat you write? I'm not the one saying I "deserve" something, you idiot, YOU are.

LMAO. You are such a terrible person.
 
2014-04-10 09:17:17 AM

Geoff Peterson: imfallen_angel: Self-centered assholes like you that believe that you "deserve" something out of life, well, can go fark yourselves, you freaking good for nothing, low-life scummy snowflake princess.

Do you even read the shiat you write? I'm not the one saying I "deserve" something, you idiot, YOU are.

LMAO. You are such a terrible person.


Well, you've seriously proven that you have some sort of mental handicap.. so I'll just pity you from now on.
 
2014-04-10 10:36:14 AM

imfallen_angel: Geoff Peterson: imfallen_angel: Self-centered assholes like you that believe that you "deserve" something out of life, well, can go fark yourselves, you freaking good for nothing, low-life scummy snowflake princess.

Do you even read the shiat you write? I'm not the one saying I "deserve" something, you idiot, YOU are.

LMAO. You are such a terrible person.

Well, you've seriously proven that you have some sort of mental handicap.. so I'll just pity you from now on.


Pathetic. Way to completely ignore the relevant point and go (predictably) to the ad-hominem.

/also lame.
 
2014-04-10 12:46:22 PM
imfallen_angel, what color would you like?
 
2014-04-10 12:47:34 PM
Nothing in green, btw.
 
2014-04-10 02:40:59 PM

Geoff Peterson: imfallen_angel: Geoff Peterson: imfallen_angel: Self-centered assholes like you that believe that you "deserve" something out of life, well, can go fark yourselves, you freaking good for nothing, low-life scummy snowflake princess.

Do you even read the shiat you write? I'm not the one saying I "deserve" something, you idiot, YOU are.

LMAO. You are such a terrible person.

Well, you've seriously proven that you have some sort of mental handicap.. so I'll just pity you from now on.

Pathetic. Way to completely ignore the relevant point and go (predictably) to the ad-hominem.

/also lame.


You know.. it's funny (sad), you lost this "game" and proven that you're a really nasty asshole, the ad-hominen, are from you, your childish attacks are repetitive as you continue your tantrum and attempts to somehow "win" some sort of pissing contest that's going on in your head.  Whatever point you think you're making that is providing you with this "win" here, is something that's been already been established to death, but that you refuse to face the answer that was given.

Learn to read and grow up a bit if you can, but at this point, I doubt that you can.

The fact is that this thread has been about "should handicapped people have special treatment when standing in line is not something that they can do".  In this case, autism was the handicap.

I have stated a few things in this thread:

1) yes, ANY handicap that makes it difficult to stand in line, should warrant special treatment.
2) anyone abuse this should have this special treatment revoked.
3) someone with an handicap deserve understanding and compassion as they didn't ask for their situation.
4) I told and explain my personal situation (only to be called a liar, and something about adopting an handicapped child so to molest them, which, even for a jerk like you and your kin here, is freaking pathetic and shows how freaking low you guys will sink)
5) I called you and the other jerks/assholes out, because you got all pissy about no one should get special treatment and those with handicaps should stay home and not disturb you, (and let's not forget the whole scam accusation thing) because you believe that you are more important than everyone else and handicapped people do not matter.  Each one of you managed to be some of the biggest self-centered jerks I've even seen in Fark's history.

As someone else mentioned, you guys would probably jump at the chance of forcing everyone that isn't to your liking, to wear a star on their clothes to ensure that they are properly identified, and then sent to camps so that they no longer disturb you.

So.. I close with a hearty go to hell, get hit by a bus, and stop wasting oxygen that better people could be using... you and your kin are seriously self-centered to the point of it being a sickness and I wish for your deaths or severe trauma preventing you to procreate, as I would hate, really hate to know that children would end up with you as a parent.

If you were to have a child that would have an handicap, either you'd lock it up or get rid of it, or you'd be once of the nastiest asshole parents that would believe yourself empowered to be an even bigger jerk and be the exact type of person that would abuse the special treatment thing.

But it's funny how behind the internet, you can think of yourselves as the biggest ITGs, you may think yourselves smart and witty, but dang in real life, you guys must be the most cowardly pieces of garbage that need to vent and act like this online because you know that you'd get your arses whipped if you dared be this pathetic, be such a bunch of assholes, jerks, with others around you.  You guys are the most pathetic failures I really believe I've ever seen on Fark, and that's saying a lot.
 
2014-04-10 03:19:24 PM

imfallen_angel: blahblahblah...The fact is that this thread has been about "should handicapped people have special treatment when standing in line is not something that they can do"...blahblahblah...I close with a hearty go to hell, get hit by a bus, and stop wasting oxygen that better people could be using...

MORE blahblahblah...

No it hasn't; right back atcha, slick; and a closing paragraph is what you write to, you know, Close.

I went with a nice purple.

"For better derper vision."
 
2014-04-10 03:33:40 PM
imfallen_angel:

LOL I knew you'd be back. You HAVE to have the last word...Always. LMAO you are so predictable.
 
2014-04-10 03:53:17 PM

Geoff Peterson: imfallen_angel:

LOL I knew you'd be back. You HAVE to have the last word...Always. LMAO you are so predictable.


ad-hominen  anyone?

ditto... go ahead...

not doing this to have "the last word" btw, it's just that you're just proving my point over and over.... you're an asshole and just can't understand it.
 
2014-04-10 03:57:26 PM

imfallen_angel: Geoff Peterson: imfallen_angel:

LOL I knew you'd be back. You HAVE to have the last word...Always. LMAO you are so predictable.

ad-hominen  anyone?

ditto... go ahead...

not doing this to have "the last word" btw, it's just that you're just proving my point over and over.... you're an asshole and just can't understand it.


There's no adhominem there except you calling me an asshole. Perhaps a dictionary would help you out?
 
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