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(Adventures in Poor Taste)   Zombies and vampires are starting to get pretty played out. When Max Brooks combines them into one comic, however, that's worth a look   (adventuresinpoortaste.com) divider line 45
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2014-04-09 12:07:56 AM  
Who?
 
2014-04-09 01:06:49 AM  
It's Max. I'm in.

I agree that they are so AMAZINGLY played out.. But .. Yeah. I'll pay to see what Max does with this.
 
2014-04-09 06:14:30 AM  
The art looks weak and the writing will be an uphill battle at best.
 
2014-04-09 06:23:25 AM  
No it's not.
 
2014-04-09 06:26:33 AM  

Monkeyfark Ridiculous: The art looks weak and the writing will be an uphill battle at best.


I was going to say something along the lines of "In before all the MB Haters" but I see I'm too late.

/ He's not as talented as his father, that I'll admit
// Still better than 90% of the rest of the junk out there
/// Enjoy what you want and all that, I'm just snarky this morning.
 
2014-04-09 06:47:06 AM  
This series is out and it's nothing special. Not bad, but very decompressed and it's more about vampires than zombies. The lead characters are very unsympathetic and he hasn't really laid down any solid background about it yet. It is miles better than George RR Martin's werewolf book (I'm not farking kidding).
 
2014-04-09 07:01:19 AM  
Maybe the main characters aren't supposed to be sympathetic...
 
2014-04-09 07:03:57 AM  
I've got something actually horrific for you to read

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tarrare

A real life bottomless pit.
 
2014-04-09 07:16:05 AM  
Starting?
 
2014-04-09 07:33:56 AM  
Isn't "The vampires realize they must protect the humans from the zombies and thus an uneasy alliance is formed" an overused trope in and of itself?
 
2014-04-09 07:36:18 AM  
Nick: Do you fear that there might be an eventual "wussification" of zombies like we see taking places with vampires (who sparkle and fall in love with humans)?
Max Brooks: When zombies start sparkling, we'll talk.


media.salon.com
 
2014-04-09 07:38:58 AM  

Mr. Coffee Nerves: Isn't "The vampires realize they must protect the humans from the zombies and thus an uneasy alliance is formed" an overused trope in and of itself?


yup but he`s too excited by the combo of two of his favourite overworn tropes that he can`t see it.

He`s behind the curve and doesn`t know it.

Every 13 year old moves from zombies to vampires because there are more breasts. He`s still using ideas he had then.
 
2014-04-09 07:52:26 AM  
shiat, man, he stole my farking idea.

Mr. Coffee Nerves: Isn't "The vampires realize they must protect the humans from the zombies and thus an uneasy alliance is formed" an overused trope in and of itself?


I don't know about Brook's details, but in my version, it's not an uneasy truce- it's not a truce at all. The vampires round up what humans they can and shove them into farms. A lot of humans go along with it simply because the safety is better than the endless dread of the zombie apocalypse, but it's not a  truce. It's pure conquest. In my version, it lifts a little from Newsflesh in that zombies are a bit of a hive mind, so they get smarter in numbers. There's diminishing returns due to network effects, so a pack of zombies never gets much smarter than a wolf-pack, but that's pretty smart.

The real bulk of the story, in my world, is a conflict between vampire factions, who often use zombies as catspaws.
 
2014-04-09 07:58:29 AM  
 Zombies aren't starting to get played out, they've been played out for years. There's a limited amount of interesting stories you can tell about them and we ran out somewhere around 2005. Writing a story that has zombies in it is how a writer lets you know they're out of ideas.

If you'd told 15-year-old me that in a decade or two finding out that there was zombies in a work of fiction would make me avoid it I'd think I'd grown into a fun hating humorless bastard, but dammit it's true. A few times now I've seen trailers for new videogames, thought "that looks interesting... Oh wait, zombies. Yawn.".
 
2014-04-09 08:17:36 AM  
"starting to"?

Have I time-traveled back to 2002? Crap. Hey guys, you know that invasion of Iraq that's about to happen? Totally bad idea, don't go for it.

Now I'm off to warn my younger self about some bad decisions he's about to make.
 
2014-04-09 08:24:53 AM  
I've been on "zombie strike" for over a year now. Not gonna end it for this ...and vampires are usually just silly.

/notice how they *must* display their fangs to the camera before biting?
//and how a human neck crunches like an apple when they bite?
 
2014-04-09 08:37:36 AM  

Gunther: There's a limited amount of interesting stories you can tell about them and we ran out somewhere around 2005.


I don't think that's entirely true. If you're making a zombie story about zombies? Sure. But if zombies are just an environmental element, you can tell an infinite number of stories in that environment. The Newsflesh books did a good job using zombies as part of a world without making the story about zombies.
 
2014-04-09 08:58:01 AM  
To be made into a movie that has nearly nothing to do with the source material.
 
2014-04-09 09:02:57 AM  
I don't have a lot of time for recreational reading, but I found myself stuck in an airport and bought a copy of "World War Z" off a discount table.  Hands down, one of the best books I've read in years.  Had never heard of Max Brooks before, but now I'm willing to at least try anything he writes.
 
2014-04-09 09:29:04 AM  

t3knomanser: shiat, man, he stole my farking idea.

Mr. Coffee Nerves: Isn't "The vampires realize they must protect the humans from the zombies and thus an uneasy alliance is formed" an overused trope in and of itself?

I don't know about Brook's details, but in my version, it's not an uneasy truce- it's not a truce at all. The vampires round up what humans they can and shove them into farms. A lot of humans go along with it simply because the safety is better than the endless dread of the zombie apocalypse, but it's not a  truce. It's pure conquest. In my version, it lifts a little from Newsflesh in that zombies are a bit of a hive mind, so they get smarter in numbers. There's diminishing returns due to network effects, so a pack of zombies never gets much smarter than a wolf-pack, but that's pretty smart.

The real bulk of the story, in my world, is a conflict between vampire factions, who often use zombies as catspaws.


Honestly, I've been zombied out for 5+ years.

That however sounds like it could be a fun game setting. Especially if you allow the presence of more some more typical classic monsters too, like witches and trolls according to Eastern European literature.
 
2014-04-09 09:47:55 AM  
Meh, vampires are just zombies with delusions of grandeur.
 
2014-04-09 10:00:29 AM  
Zombies aren't going anywhere. We need enemies that we can kill gleefully and we can't remorselessly kill large swaths of people of any particular ethnicity anymore. For a while we could kill Nazis, but they got played out and old. Then we had zombie Nazis, which is a narrow field.

On second thought, there is hope. If Russia keeps invading Europe then we can kill Russians again and give zombies a rest. We just need a uniform/uniformed enemy.
 
2014-04-09 10:08:28 AM  
Uhh... It's been done.

Last Blood.

Unfortunately the author stopped publishing more, but it's pretty damned good.
 
2014-04-09 10:33:35 AM  

Shan: Monkeyfark Ridiculous: The art looks weak and the writing will be an uphill battle at best.

I was going to say something along the lines of "In before all the MB Haters" but I see I'm too late.

/ He's not as talented as his father, that I'll admit
// Still better than 90% of the rest of the junk out there
/// Enjoy what you want and all that, I'm just snarky this morning.



For the record, I'm not an "MB Hater"; I don't know anything about MB. Regardless of any talent he may have, he has chosen a tired subject and it looks like he'll be saddled with weak artwork.
 
2014-04-09 11:01:42 AM  
For vamps and zombies done properly, you should check out Already Dead (and the other Joe Pitt casebooks) by Charlie Huston.  There aren't zombies in all of them (the zombies are less horde, more lone scavengers), but they're damn good.
 
2014-04-09 11:03:09 AM  

kroonermanblack: Especially if you allow the presence of more some more typical classic monsters too, like witches and trolls according to Eastern European literature.


I suppose it depends on how mystical you want the setting to be. I actually see the setting as not terribly mystical at all- vampires aren't magical creatures, just a different  homo species, and zombies are a post-mortem disease. But you could make it more mystical pretty easily.
 
2014-04-09 11:06:45 AM  
For the second time I read the name as Mel Brooks and thought hey that wouldn't be half bad.
 
2014-04-09 11:28:04 AM  
Brooks published the whole short story online a while back, downloaded the comic book last week/end.  Both were entertaining, kind of like a lost chapter to WWZ.
 
2014-04-09 11:58:09 AM  
Max Brooks sucks. He ruined zombies and invited a bunch of survivalist goobers into the genre.
 
2014-04-09 12:13:00 PM  
Zombie vampires? Wasn't that the plot of Blade 2?

/dnrtfa
 
2014-04-09 12:15:10 PM  
I really enjoyed WWZ and the survival guide. But Max Brooks isn't a very good author. Great ideas, poor execution.
 
2014-04-09 12:23:55 PM  
Starting?

More like have been, amirite?
 
2014-04-09 01:03:58 PM  
I read that as Mel Brooks and got interested for a moment.
 
2014-04-09 02:28:11 PM  
Good lord.  The amount of hipster bullshiat in this thread is astronomical.  If it were up to Fark apparently cinema would have ended after The Italian Job and anything undead related sometime around Varney the Vampire in 1936.
 
2014-04-09 04:03:24 PM  

LowbrowDeluxe: The amount of hipster bullshiat in this thread is astronomical.


Being bored by zombies after 100,000 nearly identical movies, books, and games on the topic isn't "hipster".

No, [game, movie, book] doesn't "breathe new life into the genre". Apart from Shaun of the Dead, Dead Girl, and WWZ, they're all pretty much the same. Oh, that Marvel Zombie thing was kinda funny.
 
2014-04-09 05:35:57 PM  

Uncle Tractor: LowbrowDeluxe: The amount of hipster bullshiat in this thread is astronomical.

Being bored by zombies after 100,000 nearly identical movies, books, and games on the topic isn't "hipster".

No, [game, movie, book] doesn't "breathe new life into the genre". Apart from Shaun of the Dead, Dead Girl, and WWZ, they're all pretty much the same. Oh, that Marvel Zombie thing was kinda funny.


Meh, you can't judge a genre by it's subgenre of syfy/lifetime/etc movie rip-offs and lookalikes, otherwise ALL genre's are "boring".

You sound jaded and angsty.  Grow up.

LowbrowDeluxe: Good lord.  The amount of hipster bullshiat in this thread is astronomical.  If it were up to Fark apparently cinema would have ended after The Italian Job and anything undead related sometime around Varney the Vampire in 1936.


This.  Everyone's got a date zombies "got old", but they're all different.  Any real fan(then or now), the genre doesn't get old, you just write off or avoid the schlock, and enjoy the good stuff if/when you find it.

Or secretly, maybe boldly even, like even some of the schlock, because, really, "why so serious?".
 
2014-04-09 07:15:19 PM  

t3knomanser: shiat, man, he stole my farking idea.

Mr. Coffee Nerves: Isn't "The vampires realize they must protect the humans from the zombies and thus an uneasy alliance is formed" an overused trope in and of itself?

I don't know about Brook's details, but in my version, it's not an uneasy truce- it's not a truce at all. The vampires round up what humans they can and shove them into farms. A lot of humans go along with it simply because the safety is better than the endless dread of the zombie apocalypse, but it's not a  truce. It's pure conquest. In my version, it lifts a little from Newsflesh in that zombies are a bit of a hive mind, so they get smarter in numbers. There's diminishing returns due to network effects, so a pack of zombies never gets much smarter than a wolf-pack, but that's pretty smart.

The real bulk of the story, in my world, is a conflict between vampire factions, who often use zombies as catspaws.



If you haven't seen Daybreakers you ought to take a look.
 
2014-04-09 08:21:45 PM  

omeganuepsilon: Uncle Tractor: LowbrowDeluxe: The amount of hipster bullshiat in this thread is astronomical.

Being bored by zombies after 100,000 nearly identical movies, books, and games on the topic isn't "hipster".

No, [game, movie, book] doesn't "breathe new life into the genre". Apart from Shaun of the Dead, Dead Girl, and WWZ, they're all pretty much the same. Oh, that Marvel Zombie thing was kinda funny.

Meh, you can't judge a genre by it's subgenre of syfy/lifetime/etc movie rip-offs and lookalikes, otherwise ALL genre's are "boring".

You sound jaded and angsty.  Grow up.

LowbrowDeluxe: Good lord.  The amount of hipster bullshiat in this thread is astronomical.  If it were up to Fark apparently cinema would have ended after The Italian Job and anything undead related sometime around Varney the Vampire in 1936.

This.  Everyone's got a date zombies "got old", but they're all different.  Any real fan(then or now), the genre doesn't get old, you just write off or avoid the schlock, and enjoy the good stuff if/when you find it.

Or secretly, maybe boldly even, like even some of the schlock, because, really, "why so serious?".



It isn't that an undead story can't be good. Undead conceits and visuals had some inherent value which could partially compensate for inferior storytelling, and now they don't.
 
2014-04-09 09:25:49 PM  

fearthemonkey: For the second time I read the name as Mel Brooks and thought hey that wouldn't be half bad.


First, the movie. Then, the Broadway musical of the movie.
Then, the movie of the musical of the movie.
 
2014-04-09 11:32:15 PM  

felching pen: fearthemonkey: For the second time I read the name as Mel Brooks and thought hey that wouldn't be half bad.

First, the movie. Then, the Broadway musical of the movie.
Then, the movie of the musical of the movie.


Then zombies and vampires the flamethrower! The kids love that one.
 
2014-04-10 03:57:07 AM  
omeganuepsilon: This.  Everyone's got a date zombies "got old", but they're all different.  Any real fan(then or now), the genre doesn't get old, you just write off or avoid the schlock, and enjoy the good stuff if/when you find it.

...And your list of good zombie movies include:

?
?
?

Or secretly, maybe boldly even, like even some of the schlock, because, really, "why so serious?".

There's nothing wrong with schlock. Schlock can be fun (like Feast II) ...But watching variants of the same schlock movie over and over is not fun; it's boring and repetitive.
 
2014-04-10 05:07:34 AM  

Uncle Tractor: And your list of good zombie movies include:


Irrelevant.

Uncle Tractor: But watching variants of the same schlock movie over and over is not fun; it's boring and repetitive.


Not at all like being a whinging coont on fark? Lemme guess, repetitive as it is, it never gets old?

Go be a hipster somewhere else.
 
2014-04-10 06:26:22 AM  

Uncle Tractor: omeganuepsilon: This.  Everyone's got a date zombies "got old", but they're all different.  Any real fan(then or now), the genre doesn't get old, you just write off or avoid the schlock, and enjoy the good stuff if/when you find it.

...And your list of good zombie movies include:

?
?
?


How many would you need to certify zombies as, well, having some life in them?

IMO there are only a handful of worthwhile zombie movies in a decade. Same for vampires. But I'm not sure that makes it an abnormally weak subgenre.
 
2014-04-10 08:43:00 AM  
Lots of farking hipsters in this thread.

I was into zombies before, but now that they are so popular I'm totally over it.
 
2014-04-10 05:34:21 PM  

omeganuepsilon: Uncle Tractor: And your list of good zombie movies include:

Irrelevant.


You said there was good stuff. I want to know what that is.
 
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