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(Salon)   Who decides what additives are safe for human consumption? The food manufacturers, that's who   (salon.com) divider line 82
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2014-04-08 05:34:32 PM
fda the best front business can buy.
 
2014-04-08 06:16:55 PM
Hmm, I wonder why people are always sick.
 
2014-04-08 06:55:48 PM

JoieD'Zen: Hmm, I wonder why people are always sick.


Most of the people I know are rarely sick. You need to find healthier friends.
 
2014-04-08 07:36:37 PM
OMG Big Business is trying to kill us all!
 
2014-04-08 08:22:45 PM

cman: OMG Big Business is trying to kill us all!


The Free Market always resolves these things, amirite?
 
2014-04-08 08:23:41 PM
Well that seems like a bad idea.
 
2014-04-08 08:24:14 PM

JoieD'Zen: Hmm, I wonder why people are always sick.


somewhere in the world someone is sick. study it out.
 
2014-04-08 08:24:32 PM

MFAWG: The Free Market always resolves these things, amirite?


and lawsuits
 
2014-04-08 08:26:32 PM
Have to wonder how these common additives affect the epigenetic expression of our genes.
 
2014-04-08 08:26:43 PM
Who else would know the most about additives that go into food?
 
2014-04-08 08:30:38 PM
The first 'luxury' one should get after securing any sort of modest income is stop eating processed food.
 
2014-04-08 08:33:28 PM

mr lawson: MFAWG: The Free Market always resolves these things, amirite?

and lawsuits


Holding your social superiors accountable through the courts is The Soshulisms.
 
2014-04-08 08:33:38 PM
Huh, I was going to go with the Stonecutters.

/Who holds back the electric car?
//Who makes Steve Guttenberg a star?
///We do! We do!
 
2014-04-08 08:35:32 PM
Diner: "Hey what's in this food anyways?"
Waitress: "Autism. You're eating autism."
Diner: "Hmm. I don't know what that is, but it goes down pretty well. Sorta buttery."
 
2014-04-08 08:36:53 PM
I trust them.

Why would they want to kill their customers?
 
2014-04-08 08:37:04 PM

pedobearapproved: JoieD'Zen: Hmm, I wonder why people are always sick.

somewhere in the world someone is sick. study it out.


I enjoyed that far too much.
 
2014-04-08 08:37:05 PM
yes, the cook tends to be the one choosing ingredients
 
2014-04-08 08:37:11 PM
I predict a very rational thread with calm, thoughtful and researched discourse from this point forward.
 
2014-04-08 08:37:49 PM

MFAWG: mr lawson: MFAWG: The Free Market always resolves these things, amirite?

and lawsuits

Holding your social superiors accountable through the courts is The Soshulisms.


Actually, litigation is one of the cornerstones of the modern Libertarian philosophy.  Businesses dare not cross the boundaries set forth by the law, because the consequences will be swift and harsh.  Seriously.
 
2014-04-08 08:37:50 PM
But there's very little meat in these gym mats.
 
2014-04-08 08:38:08 PM

dryknife: I trust them.

Why would they want to kill their customers?


Short term profits instead of long term.
 
2014-04-08 08:38:30 PM

MFAWG: cman: OMG Big Business is trying to kill us all!

The Free Market always resolves these things, amirite?


I said nothing of the sort in this thread

I was speaking of conspiracy theorists
 
2014-04-08 08:42:15 PM
"Gaping FDA loophole..."

This sounds sexual.
 
2014-04-08 08:43:31 PM
I marvel at the people in this thread who don't see it as a problem.  Do you really think some food corp executive is concerned more with your health and survival than profit margin (his own survival)?  And do they even have the information to make informed choices?  A lot of additives haven't been thoroughly and independently tested enough to ensure safety.  Or the FDA says it's fine, and then not long afterward changes their mind.
 
2014-04-08 08:44:43 PM
Duh?
 
2014-04-08 08:47:33 PM

valkore: MFAWG: mr lawson: MFAWG: The Free Market always resolves these things, amirite?

and lawsuits

Holding your social superiors accountable through the courts is The Soshulisms.

Actually, litigation is one of the cornerstones of the modern Libertarian philosophy.  Businesses dare not cross the boundaries set forth by the law, because the consequences will be swift and harsh.  Seriously.


Uh, litigation happens AFTER you get poisoned. So it's not really much help.
 
2014-04-08 08:49:54 PM

cman: MFAWG: cman: OMG Big Business is trying to kill us all!

The Free Market always resolves these things, amirite?

I said nothing of the sort in this thread

I was speaking of conspiracy theorists


Got news for you, my friend... ALL big businesses have a propaganda machine where the bottom line is really the only ultimate goal.   If they don't, then they don't know business.    This isn't some secret 'conspiracy'.    Its simply a reality you can either acknowledge or else remain contently oblivious too.
 
2014-04-08 08:50:01 PM
How much are they involved in the US sushi market?  That food tastes really good, plz don't change it.
 
2014-04-08 08:51:53 PM
People who own companies and their families should be required to eat a certain amount of their own product each week.  If they are ok with it, then it's probably fairly safe to eat.
 
2014-04-08 08:53:51 PM

TreeHugger: I marvel at the people in this thread who don't see it as a problem.  Do you really think some food corp executive is concerned more with your health and survival than profit margin (his own survival)?  And do they even have the information to make informed choices?  A lot of additives haven't been thoroughly and independently tested enough to ensure safety.  Or the FDA says it's fine, and then not long afterward changes their mind.


That whole Peanut Corporation of America thing a few years ago shows how far people will go just to make a buck.

Granted, the situation was a bit different, but I think it has to do with lack of supervision. Given the chance humans will fark other humans over. Its how we are.
 
2014-04-08 08:54:38 PM

Larofeticus: The first 'luxury' one should get after securing any sort of modest income is stop eating processed food.


I would think that it would be more expensive to process food than have it fresh, but I guess refrigeration is far more expensive than using preservatives like salt, right?
 
2014-04-08 08:56:23 PM

cman: TreeHugger: I marvel at the people in this thread who don't see it as a problem.  Do you really think some food corp executive is concerned more with your health and survival than profit margin (his own survival)?  And do they even have the information to make informed choices?  A lot of additives haven't been thoroughly and independently tested enough to ensure safety.  Or the FDA says it's fine, and then not long afterward changes their mind.

That whole Peanut Corporation of America thing a few years ago shows how far people will go just to make a buck.

Granted, the situation was a bit different, but I think it has to do with lack of supervision. Given the chance humans will fark other humans over. Its how we are.


Which is why it's so funny when humans actually say they aren't a violent, destructive species. It's also why the rest of the universe won't even talk to you.
 
2014-04-08 09:02:10 PM
This is only a problem because so many people rely heavily on processed foods. Heck, some people eat processed foods almost exclusively. As a nation, we really need to step away from the processed foods a return to eating natural foods. Everything tastes better when you cook with whole ingredients in their unadulterated form, anyway.
 
2014-04-08 09:03:45 PM

cman: TreeHugger: I marvel at the people in this thread who don't see it as a problem.  Do you really think some food corp executive is concerned more with your health and survival than profit margin (his own survival)?  And do they even have the information to make informed choices?  A lot of additives haven't been thoroughly and independently tested enough to ensure safety.  Or the FDA says it's fine, and then not long afterward changes their mind.

That whole Peanut Corporation of America thing a few years ago shows how far people will go just to make a buck.

Granted, the situation was a bit different, but I think it has to do with lack of supervision. Given the chance humans will fark other humans over. Its how we are.


I was reading this while watching braveheart... Right when I came to 'humans fark other humans over. It's how we are,' it was the scene at the battle of falkirk, right when the douchebag nobles, with the smuggest looks on their faces, betray Wallace and ride off.

It was awesome, trust me --

I'm sure you're all very happy I told you this...
Also, those nobles' faces at that moment need to be turned into a sorry I'm a not-sorry jerkface meme.
 
2014-04-08 09:12:02 PM

TreeHugger: I marvel at the people in this thread who don't see it as a problem.  Do you really think some food corp executive is concerned more with your health and survival than profit margin (his own survival)?  And do they even have the information to make informed choices?  A lot of additives haven't been thoroughly and independently tested enough to ensure safety.  Or the FDA says it's fine, and then not long afterward changes their mind.


Generally recognized as safe doesn't mean it's safe, amiright?
 
2014-04-08 09:13:35 PM

garlicmonkey: Have to wonder how these common additives affect the epigenetic expression of our genes.


I'm still waiting for the additive that expresses the "stop being fat" gene.  Not that I have one, but if I did it'd be really useful. :(
 
2014-04-08 09:14:34 PM

meat0918: TreeHugger: I marvel at the people in this thread who don't see it as a problem.  Do you really think some food corp executive is concerned more with your health and survival than profit margin (his own survival)?  And do they even have the information to make informed choices?  A lot of additives haven't been thoroughly and independently tested enough to ensure safety.  Or the FDA says it's fine, and then not long afterward changes their mind.

Generally recognized as safe doesn't mean it's safe, amiright?


Wordplay is bullshiat

Remember, evolution is only a theory, right?

/No I am not advocating that evolution is wrong
 
2014-04-08 09:20:32 PM
Oh, but only crazy people worry about artificial colors, flavors, or preservatives.  There is no way red #40 has any effect on your blood pressure.  If you're worried about that, you need some fresh tin foil.

People on Fark told me so.
 
2014-04-08 09:22:34 PM

cman: meat0918: TreeHugger: I marvel at the people in this thread who don't see it as a problem.  Do you really think some food corp executive is concerned more with your health and survival than profit margin (his own survival)?  And do they even have the information to make informed choices?  A lot of additives haven't been thoroughly and independently tested enough to ensure safety.  Or the FDA says it's fine, and then not long afterward changes their mind.

Generally recognized as safe doesn't mean it's safe, amiright?

Wordplay is bullshiat

Remember, evolution is only a theory, right?

/No I am not advocating that evolution is wrong


Word play is fun.

Weasel words suck.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generally_recognized_as_safe
 
2014-04-08 09:24:33 PM
Wow.

Rooster comb extract is a food additive.

Waste not want not.
 
2014-04-08 09:27:34 PM

valkore: MFAWG: mr lawson: MFAWG: The Free Market always resolves these things, amirite?

and lawsuits

Holding your social superiors accountable through the courts is The Soshulisms.

Actually, litigation is one of the cornerstones of the modern Libertarian philosophy.  Businesses dare not cross the boundaries set forth by the law, because the consequences will be swift and harsh.  Seriously.


Which is exactly why we need to limit any jury awards to lost wages and no punitive damages.
 
2014-04-08 09:28:53 PM
Don't get me wrong, I don't exactly trust them to be unbiased about whether or not it is safe.

I do trust others scientists to evaluate those claims of safety though independently.  They might not be scientists in America, but someone probably will do it.
 
2014-04-08 09:33:26 PM
There are people who don't know about GRAS?


snuffy: fda the best front business can buy.


I read an article recently that said the FDA has around 1,000 inspectors who are responsible for over 100,000 food processing facilities. They're horribly understaffed.
 
2014-04-08 09:34:22 PM

fusillade762: There are people who don't know about GRAS?


snuffy: fda the best front business can buy.

I read an article recently that said the FDA has around 1,000 inspectors who are responsible for over 100,000 food processing facilities. They're horribly understaffed.


I know how we can create a lot of jobs....

I also bet it will never happen....
 
2014-04-08 09:36:10 PM

42_42_42: This is only a problem because so many people rely heavily on processed foods. Heck, some people eat processed foods almost exclusively. As a nation, we really need to step away from the processed foods a return to eating natural foods. Everything tastes better when you cook with whole ingredients in their unadulterated form, anyway.


That's not much help either. ' Processed' foods that don't spoil are one of the great leaps forward that make life better.
 
2014-04-08 09:44:33 PM
Everything is killing us, yet we keep living longer.
 
2014-04-08 09:45:08 PM
i.imgur.com
 
2014-04-08 09:45:33 PM

whither_apophis: valkore: MFAWG: mr lawson: MFAWG: The Free Market always resolves these things, amirite?

and lawsuits

Holding your social superiors accountable through the courts is The Soshulisms.

Actually, litigation is one of the cornerstones of the modern Libertarian philosophy.  Businesses dare not cross the boundaries set forth by the law, because the consequences will be swift and harsh.  Seriously.

Which is exactly why we need to limit any jury awards to lost wages and no punitive damages.


The problem with this is, a large company with huge bank accounts can do whatever the fark it wants and who cares about the average user. Dead people can't sue, and if he misses a year of work, so what? That's the interest on one offshore account, basically a write-off. They can let safety slide and poison & incapacitate 100 people a year without worry when the profits from a shiatty additive make them $100 million.
 
2014-04-08 09:45:46 PM

verbal_jizm: JoieD'Zen: Hmm, I wonder why people are always sick.

Most of the people I know are rarely sick. You need to find healthier friends.


That's sick.
 
2014-04-08 09:46:37 PM

MFAWG: 42_42_42: This is only a problem because so many people rely heavily on processed foods. Heck, some people eat processed foods almost exclusively. As a nation, we really need to step away from the processed foods a return to eating natural foods. Everything tastes better when you cook with whole ingredients in their unadulterated form, anyway.

That's not much help either. ' Processed' foods that don't spoil are one of the great leaps forward that make life better.


Not when they're >90% of your diet they don't.
 
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