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2014-04-08 06:10:35 PM
pfft. the us has been doing this forever. 6 hours at job one then 6 at job 2
 
2014-04-08 06:28:54 PM
I've been on about a 4 hour work day 4 days a week for years.  Just don't tell my boss, he's an asshole.

/self employed
 
2014-04-08 06:53:47 PM

unyon: I've been on about a 4 hour work day 4 days a week for years.  Just don't tell my boss, he's an asshole.

/self employed


The worst part about becoming successfully self-employed is discovering that your boss is still an asshole.
 
2014-04-08 06:59:15 PM
Dufuq?! I'm tall, blonde and don't like to work that long. Why am I not there?
 
2014-04-08 07:02:35 PM
That's 2 hours less of reading fark a day for most farkers.
 
2014-04-08 07:05:09 PM
8 hours isn't enough time for me...
 
2014-04-08 07:07:47 PM
I'd rather do 8*4 with a three-day weekend than 5*6 with a two-day weekend.
 
2014-04-08 07:09:14 PM
Do I still get an hour lunch?
 
2014-04-08 07:10:12 PM
6 hours of actual work? Yeah I think that would be similar to what we do now. Might even be high.

Hourly is kind of a silly criteria. The focus should be on getting the whatever needs to be done done, however long it takes. 40 hours is the standard because employers were having folks work 12 hours a day 6 days a week if they were lucky. But there is nothing magical about that number.
 
2014-04-08 07:15:59 PM
I'll let you in on a little secret about the 6 hour work day: for some professions, 6 hours really becomes a hell of a lot more than 6 hours.  For example, one of the reasons used for keeping teacher salaries low was because they only worked about 6 and a half hours a day.  After planning, prepping, and grading, it's actually closer to 8 and a half to 9 hours a day.  Nor does it include the time that some teachers spend coaching, travelling with teams, chaperoning, parent/teacher conferences after school or before school, staying after school to help students, etc.  Except for coaching, which you can get paid extra for, extracurricular activities and staying late are done off the clock.  We volunteer to do it because we're professional enough to know that it needs to be done.  School administrators work even longer hours year round.  My brother, who is a lawyer, works half the time I do and gets paid 10x the amount.  Our soldiers, who put their lives on the line, get paid less than teachers.  They work longer hours than most professions under some of the harshest conditions in the world, especially a combat infantryman.

What does that say about our priorities as a nation when teachers and soldiers make less than many people who work less hours and in less stressful jobs?
 
2014-04-08 07:16:21 PM
I like my 12 hr shifts 7 on 7 off. I get half a month off. usually work the first week and the last week of the month. so its technically 2 weeks on, 2 off
/OT after 40 hrs.
 
2014-04-08 07:20:00 PM
In b4 someone comes to tell us how horrible it is that Swedes pay nearly half their income in taxes and how working yourself to death with less benefits and the constant threat of financial ruin due to downsizing and medical issues is somehow a better deal.

America: freedom to choose which ditch you wanna die in.
 
2014-04-08 07:21:01 PM

bobothemagnificent: I'll let you in on a little secret about the 6 hour work day: for some professions, 6 hours really becomes a hell of a lot more than 6 hours.  For example, one of the reasons used for keeping teacher salaries low was because they only worked about 6 and a half hours a day.  After planning, prepping, and grading, it's actually closer to 8 and a half to 9 hours a day.  Nor does it include the time that some teachers spend coaching, travelling with teams, chaperoning, parent/teacher conferences after school or before school, staying after school to help students, etc.  Except for coaching, which you can get paid extra for, extracurricular activities and staying late are done off the clock.  We volunteer to do it because we're professional enough to know that it needs to be done.  School administrators work even longer hours year round.  My brother, who is a lawyer, works half the time I do and gets paid 10x the amount.  Our soldiers, who put their lives on the line, get paid less than teachers.  They work longer hours than most professions under some of the harshest conditions in the world, especially a combat infantryman.

What does that say about our priorities as a nation when teachers and soldiers make less than many people who work less hours and in less stressful jobs?


Unfortunately, it says that most people feel they can afford to pay lawyers more.

And that being a lawyer generally takes more education/training than being a foot soldier or a teacher. Not more talent, but more money/time spent to get there.
 
2014-04-08 07:22:03 PM
No one gives a fark how many hours I out in, as long as I get my shiat done.
 
2014-04-08 07:22:38 PM
Better reason to move to Sweden:

www.thelocal.se

SFW slideshow, btw
 
2014-04-08 07:22:39 PM

CruJones: No one gives a fark how many hours I out in, as long as I get my shiat done.


Ahem, **put** in
 
2014-04-08 07:23:18 PM

AliceBToklasLives: 6 hours of actual work? Yeah I think that would be similar to what we do now. Might even be high.

Hourly is kind of a silly criteria. The focus should be on getting the whatever needs to be done done, however long it takes. 40 hours is the standard because employers were having folks work 12 hours a day 6 days a week if they were lucky. But there is nothing magical about that number.


That's what I told my boss when I was a projectionist.  But he made me play the movies at the normal speed anyway
 
2014-04-08 07:23:50 PM

SumoJeb: I like my 12 hr shifts 7 on 7 off. I get half a month off. usually work the first week and the last week of the month. so its technically 2 weeks on, 2 off
/OT after 40 hrs.


Depending on the job.  There are some jobs I couldn't stand to do for 12 hours at a time, otherwise it's a pretty sweet gig.
 
2014-04-08 07:25:08 PM
Well, that link is unreadable.
 
2014-04-08 07:29:01 PM
But what would you DO with the two to six hours less work per day you would be doing in Sweden, compared to the U.S. of A?

www.thelocal.se

www.thelocal.se

www.thelocal.se

www.thelocal.se

Dagnabbit.
 
2014-04-08 07:29:10 PM

bobothemagnificent: What does that say about our priorities as a nation when teachers and soldiers make less than many people who work less hours and in less stressful jobs?


It says that a very large number of teachers are required - presuming we're trying to educate the bulk of the population and we want actual classroom presence rather than some sort of tele-teaching - so the qualifications and pay reflect a job which must be available to a very large number of people.

/same for the military, although the numbers "required" are a political choice, increasingly so as the technology improves
 
2014-04-08 07:29:23 PM
Aw. It's a crummy commercial for Uber. Lame
 
2014-04-08 07:33:26 PM
Are they subtracting poop time? cause I'm at 5 then.
 
2014-04-08 07:34:07 PM

highendmighty: I'd rather do 8*4 with a three-day weekend than 5*6 with a two-day weekend.


Yup.
 
2014-04-08 07:34:31 PM

bobothemagnificent: I'll let you in on a little secret about the 6 hour work day: for some professions, 6 hours really becomes a hell of a lot more than 6 hours.  For example, one of the reasons used for keeping teacher salaries low was because they only worked about 6 and a half hours a day.  After planning, prepping, and grading, it's actually closer to 8 and a half to 9 hours a day.  Nor does it include the time that some teachers spend coaching, travelling with teams, chaperoning, parent/teacher conferences after school or before school, staying after school to help students, etc.  Except for coaching, which you can get paid extra for, extracurricular activities and staying late are done off the clock.  We volunteer to do it because we're professional enough to know that it needs to be done.  School administrators work even longer hours year round.  My brother, who is a lawyer, works half the time I do and gets paid 10x the amount.  Our soldiers, who put their lives on the line, get paid less than teachers.  They work longer hours than most professions under some of the harshest conditions in the world, especially a combat infantryman.

What does that say about our priorities as a nation when teachers and soldiers make less than many people who work less hours and in less stressful jobs?


Quit.
 
2014-04-08 07:37:38 PM
Nope, still only care about their women...
 
2014-04-08 07:41:17 PM
So I have to see my wife two more hours a day?
 
2014-04-08 07:43:48 PM

bobothemagnificent: I'll let you in on a little secret about the 6 hour work day: for some professions, 6 hours really becomes a hell of a lot more than 6 hours.  For example, one of the reasons used for keeping teacher salaries low was because they only worked about 6 and a half hours a day.  After planning, prepping, and grading, it's actually closer to 8 and a half to 9 hours a day.  Nor does it include the time that some teachers spend coaching, travelling with teams, chaperoning, parent/teacher conferences after school or before school, staying after school to help students, etc.  Except for coaching, which you can get paid extra for, extracurricular activities and staying late are done off the clock.  We volunteer to do it because we're professional enough to know that it needs to be done.  School administrators work even longer hours year round.  My brother, who is a lawyer, works half the time I do and gets paid 10x the amount.  Our soldiers, who put their lives on the line, get paid less than teachers.  They work longer hours than most professions under some of the harshest conditions in the world, especially a combat infantryman.

What does that say about our priorities as a nation when teachers and soldiers make less than many people who work less hours and in less stressful jobs?


Incidentally, it's funny that you say this, because lawyers and accountants are poster children for the difference between hours billed and time worked. Even leaving aside the vacation schedule, if your brother is really working less than 6 hours a day (or, for that matter, less than 10) and earning 10x a teacher's salary then he is a farking unicorn.
 
2014-04-08 07:46:38 PM

unyon: I've been on about a 4 hour work day 4 days a week for years.  Just don't tell my boss, he's an asshole.

/self employed


Yup, self-empolyed as well, and my boss is an asshole, too.

Also, I think Swedes want anything to do with me, since I might look a little terrorist-y.

/Also I've no grasp of Swedish
 
2014-04-08 07:47:17 PM

CygnusDarius: unyon: I've been on about a 4 hour work day 4 days a week for years.  Just don't tell my boss, he's an asshole.

/self employed

Yup, self-empolyed as well, and my boss is an asshole, too.

Also, I don't think Swedes want anything to do with me, since I might look a little terrorist-y.

/Also I've no grasp of Swedish


FTFM
 
2014-04-08 07:50:28 PM
Farkers average about 3 hours and 27 minutes a day!
 
2014-04-08 07:55:12 PM
I thought the only reason to move to Sweden was the Swedish Bikini Team.....
 
2014-04-08 07:58:43 PM
Be dirt filthy poor, work less in return.
No one in America has to suffer the fate of the average Swedish family.
Let's keep it that way.
 
2014-04-08 08:05:15 PM
That's cute.  We were just told today that if we come in early, stay late, and cut our lunches short, "maybe" we can have off on Saturday.
 
2014-04-08 08:11:20 PM

bobothemagnificent: I'll let you in on a little secret about the 6 hour work day: for some professions, 6 hours really becomes a hell of a lot more than 6 hours.  For example, one of the reasons used for keeping teacher salaries low was because they only worked about 6 and a half hours a day.  After planning, prepping, and grading, it's actually closer to 8 and a half to 9 hours a day.  Nor does it include the time that some teachers spend coaching, travelling with teams, chaperoning, parent/teacher conferences after school or before school, staying after school to help students, etc.  Except for coaching, which you can get paid extra for, extracurricular activities and staying late are done off the clock.  We volunteer to do it because we're professional enough to know that it needs to be done.  School administrators work even longer hours year round.  My brother, who is a lawyer, works half the time I do and gets paid 10x the amount.  Our soldiers, who put their lives on the line, get paid less than teachers.  They work longer hours than most professions under some of the harshest conditions in the world, especially a combat infantryman.

What does that say about our priorities as a nation when teachers and soldiers make less than many people who work less hours and in less stressful jobs?


If you became a teacher or a soldier for the pay then you're in that profession for the wrong reason

I don't disagree that they should be paid more.

But no whining about it you knew the score going into it....wanted to make more money pick a different profession.
 
2014-04-08 08:12:15 PM

Monkeyfark Ridiculous: bobothemagnificent: I'll let you in on a little secret about the 6 hour work day: for some professions, 6 hours really becomes a hell of a lot more than 6 hours.  For example, one of the reasons used for keeping teacher salaries low was because they only worked about 6 and a half hours a day.  After planning, prepping, and grading, it's actually closer to 8 and a half to 9 hours a day.  Nor does it include the time that some teachers spend coaching, travelling with teams, chaperoning, parent/teacher conferences after school or before school, staying after school to help students, etc.  Except for coaching, which you can get paid extra for, extracurricular activities and staying late are done off the clock.  We volunteer to do it because we're professional enough to know that it needs to be done.  School administrators work even longer hours year round.  My brother, who is a lawyer, works half the time I do and gets paid 10x the amount.  Our soldiers, who put their lives on the line, get paid less than teachers.  They work longer hours than most professions under some of the harshest conditions in the world, especially a combat infantryman.

What does that say about our priorities as a nation when teachers and soldiers make less than many people who work less hours and in less stressful jobs?

Incidentally, it's funny that you say this, because lawyers and accountants are poster children for the difference between hours billed and time worked. Even leaving aside the vacation schedule, if your brother is really working less than 6 hours a day (or, for that matter, less than 10) and earning 10x a teacher's salary then he is a farking unicorn.


Accountant, working on 13 x 5 plus 10 x 2 right now.

I cannot wait for May 1.

Also hope I can stay awake long enough to make good use of April 15 and April 30.
 
2014-04-08 08:15:07 PM
I want to know who in the 6 hour group is actually going to say that they don't feel "better mentally and physically after they've worked shorter days". Those people deserve a slap, because they're not going to feel worse so even if they don't actually feel better it's still less work for the same pay.
 
2014-04-08 08:28:52 PM
My only motivation for working is money, so if I could work a 6 hour day and get paid for my usual 10+ hours i actually do work now, then I would be cool with it. shiat if i got paid $200 an hour, I'd work one hour a day if they made work days an hour long.
 
2014-04-08 08:42:35 PM
Notice how it's city workers who are performing this little experiment. Must be nice to goof around with the taxpayer's dollar. I know our politicians enjoy doing so.

\Maybe it'll work. maybe it won't.
 
2014-04-08 08:53:59 PM

Parthenogenetic: But what would you DO with the two to six hours less work per day you would be doing in Sweden, compared to the U.S. of A?

[pics of Swedish chicks]


It's funny because The Local is otherwise infamous for its multicultural white guilt bias. They rarely use photos of white people unless it's a specific person. Otherwise Swedes look this and you're bigoted for thinking otherwise:


www.thelocal.sewww.thelocal.se
www.thelocal.se

(all on that page)
 
2014-04-08 08:58:09 PM

unyon: I've been on about a 4 hour work day 4 days a week for years.  Just don't tell my boss, he's an asshole.

/self employed


Came here to post this in the future. I'm quitting my job for Christmas this year. Yay me.
 
2014-04-08 09:00:14 PM

bobothemagnificent: I'll let you in on a little secret about the 6 hour work day: for some professions, 6 hours really becomes a hell of a lot more than 6 hours.  For example, one of the reasons used for keeping teacher salaries low was because they only worked about 6 and a half hours a day.  After planning, prepping, and grading, it's actually closer to 8 and a half to 9 hours a day.  Nor does it include the time that some teachers spend coaching, travelling with teams, chaperoning, parent/teacher conferences after school or before school, staying after school to help students, etc.  Except for coaching, which you can get paid extra for, extracurricular activities and staying late are done off the clock.  We volunteer to do it because we're professional enough to know that it needs to be done.  School administrators work even longer hours year round.  My brother, who is a lawyer, works half the time I do and gets paid 10x the amount.  Our soldiers, who put their lives on the line, get paid less than teachers.  They work longer hours than most professions under some of the harshest conditions in the world, especially a combat infantryman.

What does that say about our priorities as a nation when teachers and soldiers make less than many people who work less hours and in less stressful jobs?


Probably that literally thousands of people are waiting in line for their jobs when they quit.

/Not a value judgment
//Just the way it is.
 
2014-04-08 09:05:45 PM
The question isn't whether or not it would be nice to have more vacation time and work fewer hours like the Swedes. Rather, it is whether we can sustain our current economy switching to such a system.

What is it about that system that makes it viable in the global economy? And why aren't we able to do the same?

Or is it an illusion and we'd have to give up some of our quality of life in exchange for more free time?
 
2014-04-08 09:19:20 PM

bobothemagnificent: I'll let you in on a little secret about the 6 hour work day: for some professions, 6 hours really becomes a hell of a lot more than 6 hours.  For example, one of the reasons used for keeping teacher salaries low was because they only worked about 6 and a half hours a day.  After planning, prepping, and grading, it's actually closer to 8 and a half to 9 hours a day.  Nor does it include the time that some teachers spend coaching, travelling with teams, chaperoning, parent/teacher conferences after school or before school, staying after school to help students, etc.  Except for coaching, which you can get paid extra for, extracurricular activities and staying late are done off the clock.  We volunteer to do it because we're professional enough to know that it needs to be done.  School administrators work even longer hours year round.  My brother, who is a lawyer, works half the time I do and gets paid 10x the amount.  Our soldiers, who put their lives on the line, get paid less than teachers.  They work longer hours than most professions under some of the harshest conditions in the world, especially a combat infantryman.

What does that say about our priorities as a nation when teachers and soldiers make less than many people who work less hours and in less stressful jobs?


I think a lot of teachers have misconceptions about how much of the private sector works. Our 40 hour work week ends up being closer to 60 consistently 70 if you have an actual deadline. Teacher's having to work more than their getting paid for isn't an exception it is the norm. the difference is you're getting paid for 30 hours and working 50 we're getting paid for 40 and working 60.
 
2014-04-08 09:23:35 PM
AverageAmericanGuy: The question isn't whether or not it would be nice to have more vacation time and work fewer hours like the Swedes. Rather, it is whether we can sustain our current economy switching to such a system.

What is it about that system that makes it viable in the global economy? And why aren't we able to do the same?

Or is it an illusion question of priorities  and we'd have to give up some of our quality of life money in exchange for more free time better quality of life?


Even if the political will existed in the US, moving the US to the Swedish model would be a monumental undertaking. And it doesn't.
 
2014-04-08 09:24:17 PM
We barely get 2 hrs. of work out of employees now.
Punch in.
Talk about yesterday for half hr.
Get to work station.
Start getting ready for pre break.
Break time.
Do some work.
Get ready for pre lunch break.
Lunch.
Post lunch talk about what's going on tonight.
Pre break.
Break.
Get ready to go home.
 
2014-04-08 09:26:04 PM

Carth: Our 40 hour work week ends up being closer to 60 consistently 70 if you have an actual deadline.


If you're a sucker. Dayum. I'm trying to reduce my working hours from around... 35ish/wk to 40... per  month.
 
2014-04-08 09:30:34 PM

AverageAmericanGuy: The question isn't whether or not it would be nice to have more vacation time and work fewer hours like the Swedes. Rather, it is whether we can sustain our current economy switching to such a system.

What is it about that system that makes it viable in the global economy? And why aren't we able to do the same?

Or is it an illusion and we'd have to give up some of our quality of life in exchange for more free time?


They're under our nuclear umbrella, which saves money. They also don't have a wild imperialist bent like we do, which saves money. They also don't have nice, big (expensive) houses like we do. They also don't have as many kids, which is cheap now but VERY expensive in the future. They don't buy farktons of disposable crap all year like we do.  They have tailored their economies to survive a near stand-still three months out of the year.  Honestly anything that lives that far north, animal, vegetable, or mineral (no, wait, not mineral) is pretty hardy.
 
2014-04-08 09:34:25 PM

Deep Contact: We barely get 2 hrs. of work out of employees now.
Punch in.
Talk about yesterday for half hr.
Get to work station.
Start getting ready for pre break.
Break time.
Do some work.
Get ready for pre lunch break.
Lunch.
Post lunch talk about what's going on tonight.
Pre break.
Break.
Get ready to go home.


At my company I feel infringed upon if I don't get two 20-minute Street Fighter 3 breaks and an hour lunch. Life is good when you're a professional, but only if no one actually understands your job.
 
2014-04-08 09:37:48 PM

Deep Contact: We barely get 2 hrs. of work out of employees now.
Punch in.
Talk about yesterday for half hr.
Get to work station.
Start getting ready for pre break.
Break time.
Do some work.
Get ready for pre lunch break.
Lunch.
Post lunch talk about what's going on tonight.
Pre break.
Break.
Get ready to go home.


Show up at noon.
Take a hour for lunch.
Quit at one.

/Retirement plans!
 
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