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(SacBee)   Orcas in California will be allowed to eat trainers for at least another year   (blogs.sacbee.com) divider line 18
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2014-04-08 06:41:50 PM
I hear you white boys love the black fish
-Condoleezza Rice
 
2014-04-08 06:42:31 PM
Almost all show animals are unreleasable.  If they have been born and raised in captivity, and they have learned to depend on humans for food, then either releasing them, or even putting them in an open pen is going to kill them.  As for the show, if it helps keep the orcas alive, then I think the best solution is to regulate with an eye towards ensuring that the animals are treated respectfully and in the best comfort possible.
 
2014-04-08 06:46:25 PM
Can we stop trying to make laws based on emotionally-driven documentaries? For F*ck's sake NASA kills far more people by far than Orcas do and you all go bananas when they lose funds.
 
2014-04-08 07:06:02 PM
I'm glad we figured out that we can't just take the world of the paladins that orcs are evil.
 
2014-04-08 07:12:11 PM
FTFA: "To be clear, the whales at SeaWorld are thriving," said Dr. Chris Dold, vice president of veterinary services for SeaWorld San Diego, pointing to steadily increasing survival rates for captive whales and arguing that ""every part of the bill, individually and collectively, will increase their health risks" by disrupting their current environment and routines.

So then what's this about giving them Valium on a somewhat frequent basis to "control their behavior"?
 
2014-04-08 07:22:04 PM
If you neuter a killer whale, is it orca-stration?
 
2014-04-08 07:33:35 PM
Do places lile seaworld do any actual research on the animals like a legitimate zoo or aquarium might, or is it all just about putting on a show?
 
2014-04-08 07:42:41 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: If you neuter a killer whale, is it orca-stration?


I don't know but it has the sperm whales worried.
 
2014-04-08 07:58:23 PM

Contrabulous Flabtraption: Can we stop trying to make laws based on emotionally-driven documentaries? For F*ck's sake NASA kills far more people by far than Orcas do and you all go bananas when they lose funds.


I thought the point was that those psycho whales are being portrayed as funtime bath buddies when they actually want to eat their trainers. The main thing that sticks out in my mind from Blackfish is the one whale pulling the experienced trainer to the bottom of the pool repeatedly after letting him catch a breath. That orca was toying with the man's life. I'm not paying to see a show where the management thinks the trainers are disposable chum.
 
2014-04-08 08:08:49 PM
I read that as "Orcs".  My version is better
 
2014-04-08 09:11:28 PM

mechgreg: Do places lile seaworld do any actual research on the animals like a legitimate zoo or aquarium might, or is it all just about putting on a show?


There is a place near me in Panama City called Gulf World.  You will never see more than a fraction of the animals they have.  The rest are rescued animals from the Gulf that are being rehabilitated for release.  This year alone, they have rescued 200 endangered sea turtles, that recovered and all have been released back in the wild.  These turtles would have died without Gulf World's help.  I would point out that this is this year alone, and it is only April.

They have also rescued a few dolphins this year as well, and every time a dead turtle or dolphin washes ashore, Gulf World's people are on the scene, recovering the body, in order to figure out what killed it, and what can be done to protect these animals in the wild.

They don't have any Orca's, but they do a nice dolphin and seal show.  It's not as involved as any of Sea World's shows, but I think they are more interested in letting the animals do what they like to do, rather than what the audience wants to see them do.  The money from the tourist pays for all the animal rescue stuff.
 
2014-04-08 09:22:36 PM

mechgreg: Do places lile seaworld do any actual research on the animals like a legitimate zoo or aquarium might, or is it all just about putting on a show?


I loved the Sea World show as a kid. Saw 'blackfish', but it didn't really change my opinion. If someone wants to get into a pen with a *killer* whale, they know what they're going into.
 
2014-04-08 09:29:25 PM
Are they insane? You can't have people do research before passing a law. Passing laws without thinking about unintended consequences is how its always been done.
 
2014-04-08 09:32:00 PM
I got an email about this issue from Seaworld just last week and couldn't stop myself from replying, "They're not the hell your whales."
 
2014-04-08 10:02:29 PM
Good, that should be enough time to finish the rest of them off.
 
2014-04-08 11:08:00 PM

jshine: mechgreg: Do places lile seaworld do any actual research on the animals like a legitimate zoo or aquarium might, or is it all just about putting on a show?

I loved the Sea World show as a kid. Saw 'blackfish', but it didn't really change my opinion. If someone wants to get into a pen with a *killer* whale, they know what they're going into.


It's not really about the trainers getting into the tank with the whales, it's the tiny living conditions and destruction of complex family structures among the whales that are the problem. The trainers aren't the problem, since they seem to be genuinely concerned about the animals.
 
2014-04-09 12:09:07 AM
I think most of the staffs of these places are animal lovers. And I think they genuinely care about the animals. And that most of them would die if you let them go. And that all these large more intelligent animals in captivity are essentially insane. Let the ones they have fulfill their 'purpose' as humanely as possible. Then end the practice. I won't spend a dime on it. I know it's not completely black and white but I still think it's essentially something that a true conservationist would be seeking to end. The original allure of all that shiat was to see something up close you likely had no reasonable expectation of every being able to see. With ubiquitous modern hd video we can see up a whales vagina in 1080p with freeze frame any time we choose. Seeing them do flips is hardly necessary.
 
2014-04-09 01:02:49 AM

JohnBigBootay: I think most of the staffs of these places are animal lovers. And I think they genuinely care about the animals. And that most of them would die if you let them go. And that all these large more intelligent animals in captivity are essentially insane. Let the ones they have fulfill their 'purpose' as humanely as possible. Then end the practice. I won't spend a dime on it. I know it's not completely black and white but I still think it's essentially something that a true conservationist would be seeking to end. The original allure of all that shiat was to see something up close you likely had no reasonable expectation of every being able to see. With ubiquitous modern hd video we can see up a whales vagina in 1080p with freeze frame any time we choose. Seeing them do flips is hardly necessary.


But why would anyone want to be so rational and reasonable when we can screech LET TEH NICE WHALEZ GO!!!
 
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