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(Capitol Fax)   Bill to ban ticket quotas hits speed bump because federal grants require police to have ticket quotas. I mean, "data-driven performance measures"   (capitolfax.com) divider line 15
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2014-04-08 02:09:09 PM  
7 votes:
Well, give the ticket, but have the fine go to a state-level fund for road repairs rather than to the local department's budget. Deincentivise punishing people who aren't harming anyone.
2014-04-08 12:27:53 PM  
7 votes:
The Illinois Association of Chiefs of Police is concerned about the negative impact on public safety that is likely to result if Illinois Senate Bill 3411 (SB 3411) is passed.

Obvious money grubbing is obvious.

While law enforcement executives strongly agree with eliminating the imposition of arbitrary traffic ticket quotas, the bill would also eliminate vital data-driven performance measures used to assist in the performance appraisal of police officers. Under the provisions of this bill, Illinois would stand to lose millions of dollars in federal highway traffic safety funding for DUI saturation patrols,restraint enforcement details and speed reduction campaigns.

No quasi-legal dragnets or money for your fascist SWAT teams? Cry me a river.

If the bill passes, for example, an officer who refuses to make DUI arrests or who doesn't write a ticket to a motorist for passing a stopped school bus could not be disciplined or have it documented in their performance evaluation.

You're implying you have cops in your organizations who don't enforce the law? Maybe they should be fired then.  Here's a tip: you can still collect data without requiring cops to fulfill arbitrary quotas so you can justify your existence.

SB 3411 would intrude on the management rights of local law enforcement executives to decide what is in their communities' best interests. Police Chiefs would lose their means to properly supervise officers using objective data that demonstrates that officers are meeting the expectations set by our communities.

I'll tell you what's in your best interests. Learning how to do proper police work.
2014-04-08 02:26:05 PM  
6 votes:

pxlboy: That riot gear ain't gonna pay for itself.


Exactly.  That's the other problem - police units shouldn't be funding themselves through citations.  Ever.  In fact, there should be no advantage to them based on revenue stream (or lack there of) due to enforcement.  Not a dime of their budget, including pay, bonuses, gear, etc should ever be based on, or come from, citation revenue.
GBB
2014-04-08 02:25:14 PM  
3 votes:
chachi88: How well are you doing your job? You need proper metrics.

FTFY.

I work in a 911 call center.  It's mandated that at least 90% of all inbound 911 calls to any agency be answered within 10 seconds.  Every month, we get a report on our individual "stats" which include our personal percentage of calls answered within 10 seconds.  We receive counseling if we fall below that 90% standard.  Have you found the error in this methodology yet?

If not, consider this:  If after I'm done being busy with radio traffic or another call, I see an inbound 911 call that has been ringing for 10 seconds or longer, what incentive to I have to answer it verses letting someone else answer it?  What incentive does anyone have in answering a call that has slipped by and rang for 10 seconds or longer?  Should it be the person that sacrifices their own stats to answer these calls get the reprimand for answering it or the up-to 15 other operators that  didn't answer that call?  Should it be individuals, the entire shift, or management that receive the punishment for failing to maintain this standard?

The problem isn't metrics.  The problem is that management tends to select the easiest metric to tally versus the most effective or the most beneficial.

When it comes to street cops, the easiest metric to tally is how many tickets they write (or with some agencies, how many arrests they make).  This is the metric that the general population has an issue with.  As far as I can tell, there is no metric that can gauge the effectiveness of cops.  The entire agency can tally how many crimes are reported and compare that over time to discover if crime is up or down, but that doesn't translate to specific individuals.  A cop could bust his ass and make a difference, or a cop could sit on his ass while the crime rate goes down for other external reasons and they'd both appear to be equally effective.
2014-04-08 03:11:12 PM  
2 votes:
I love how they cite "public safety" To pull over a speeder on the freeway. The sign says Emergency stopping only. Guess it's an emergency to lighten people's wallets. Standing around on the freeway hoping some innatentive ass doesn't run you over or causing gawker gridlock doesn't seem too safe to me. Farktards.
2014-04-08 02:15:55 PM  
2 votes:

cgraves67: Well, give the ticket, but have the fine go to a state-level fund for road repairs rather than to the local department's budget. Deincentivise punishing people who aren't harming anyone.


I like that idea. A LOT.
2014-04-08 01:56:30 PM  
2 votes:

bdub77: The Illinois Association of Chiefs of Police is concerned about the negative impact on public safety that is likely to result if Illinois Senate Bill 3411 (SB 3411) is passed.

Obvious money grubbing is obvious.



I wonder if they have a cost benefit analysis backed with reliable data to make this claim, or if they are just talking out their ass?

For some reason whenever law enforcement talks about public safety, I somehow feel less secure...probably due to the fact I'm much more likely to be pulled over for a bogus reason than mugged or be in an accident on any given day.
2014-04-08 04:54:37 PM  
1 votes:

pxlboy: Cheron: Sure you make less money but the result is people are safer and isn't that the goal, right?


When followed by a cop what are you paying attention to more, the road or your speedo?
2014-04-08 04:30:18 PM  
1 votes:

skrame: sn't this already the case. I got a ticket a few years back, and at the traffic school (or whatever it's called) the officer let offenders ask questions. One asked where the ticket money went to. The officer showed the breakdown, and the percent going to the town was less than 5%. Most went to the state, and the county got a good chunk too.


Yeah, and of the amount that goes to the town, the share that goes to the officer who pulls you over is like 5 cents.  So what?  The town, county, state (and feds too) are linked financially and politically in all kinds of ways.  Money and favors go up and down the chain.

When Vinny comes by your business every month to collect the Corleone family's protection money, does it make you feel better that only 1% goes directly in his pocket?
2014-04-08 04:19:49 PM  
1 votes:

Cheron: How about results based metrics.  In 2011 police hid in the bushes and drove unmarked vehicles  to catch speeders, causing distracted driving.  In 2017 police drove brightly colored, well marked cars along the same stretch. The number of tickets dropped 45%, accidents dropped 12%, injuries 37% and property damage 18%.  Sure you make less money but the result is people are safer and isn't that the goal, right?


How fast were you going?!
2014-04-08 02:39:41 PM  
1 votes:
Sooooo...

Where is CruiserTwelve?
2014-04-08 02:32:22 PM  
1 votes:
How about results based metrics.  In 2011 police hid in the bushes and drove unmarked vehicles  to catch speeders, causing distracted driving.  In 2017 police drove brightly colored, well marked cars along the same stretch.  The number of tickets dropped 45%, accidents dropped 12%, injuries 37% and property damage 18%.  Sure you make less money but the result is people are safer and isn't that the goal, right?
2014-04-08 02:30:07 PM  
1 votes:

GBB: The problem isn't metrics. The problem is that management tends to select the easiest metric to tally versus the most effective or the most beneficial.

When it comes to street cops, the easiest metric to tally is how many tickets they write (or with some agencies, how many arrests they make). This is the metric that the general population has an issue with. As far as I can tell, there is no metric that can gauge the effectiveness of cops. The entire agency can tally how many crimes are reported and compare that over time to discover if crime is up or down, but that doesn't translate to specific individuals. A cop could bust his ass and make a difference, or a cop could sit on his ass while the crime rate goes down for other external reasons and they'd both appear to be equally effective.


It's one of the oldest sayings in the disciple - metrics drive behaviors.  Make sure you know what behaviors you want to drive.  Every metric, no matter how cleverly designed, will bring about both good and bad behaviors.  They key is understanding both sides, and picking the ones that drive your system in the best way, and attempt to mitigate the negative behaviors that come from it, not ignore them.
2014-04-08 02:20:50 PM  
1 votes:
I would cheerfully pay higher taxes to fund a police department that couldn't raise revenue from any source.

You get pulled over? It's 'cause a cop thought you needed pulling over. You trip a speed trap? That speed trap was the best possible use of that officer's time.
2014-04-08 02:16:47 PM  
1 votes:

bdub77: You're implying you have cops in your organizations who don't enforce the law? Maybe they should be fired then.


The one thing I quibble with is this line.  Cops are not - nor should they be - required to enforce every infraction they encounter.  Every speeding stop shouldn't get a ticket.  Every noise violation shouldn't require a citation, etc.  Discretionary enforcement of many ordinances is a good thing, provided when they DO enforce it, it's a real and evidence-based infraction.

Now, that selective enforcement shouldn't be held against an officer, and they need to find ways to track how well they are monitoring activities and keep that separate from how harshly citations are delivered.  In an ideal enforcement world, an officer would exercise some level of compassion when deciding whether to write a citation.  They weigh the situation, and make a judgement based on all of the surrounding factors.

Most officers do this, and I hate to think they're being punished because they pull you over for doing 45 in a 35 and decide that the minor delay and scare was enough to discourage you from doing it again.  "Not tolerance" should never be the policy.  Doubly so if it's to fill a financial requirement of their job.
 
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