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2014-04-08 08:45:56 AM  
17 votes:

somedude210: This is the one that should've never gotten through the FDA and is very very very easy to overdose on, right?

I have no problem with Patrick doing this, if that's the case. New England is facing a massive opiate problem


My problem is where does governor have the power to do such a thing?  And if he's allowed to do it, what's stopping other conservative governors from banning drugs like birth control?

He overstepped his bounds and needs to leave this up to the correct authorities.
2014-04-08 09:05:42 AM  
7 votes:
Yes, because banning other drugs has worked thus far.
2014-04-08 09:08:34 AM  
6 votes:

bborchar: somedude210: This is the one that should've never gotten through the FDA and is very very very easy to overdose on, right?

I have no problem with Patrick doing this, if that's the case. New England is facing a massive opiate problem

My problem is where does governor have the power to do such a thing?  And if he's allowed to do it, what's stopping other conservative governors from banning drugs like birth control?

He overstepped his bounds and needs to leave this up to the correct authorities.



I wonder if Patrick has received any campaign contributions from Zogenix Inc competitors?

There is already enough corruption in pharmaceutical approval without letting politicians get involved even more. This is setting a VERY bad precedent.
2014-04-08 09:16:59 AM  
5 votes:

somedude210: This is the one that should've never gotten through the FDA and is very very very easy to overdose on, right?


Without acetaminophen, it would be more difficult to OD on.  Acetaminophen OD is very insidious because it doesn't show up until long after the drug has been administered -- a day or two later -- and at that point a liver transplant is basically the only way to prevent death.  In that sense, this drug is safer w.r.t. OD than competing painkillers as there is no acetaminophen present.
2014-04-08 09:08:46 AM  
5 votes:
I came to be snarky about a mere State Governor challenging the authority of the corporate overlords, but the point about conservative governors banning birth control is well taken.

This would set a bad, bad precedent. Fight it at the FDA level.
2014-04-08 09:01:56 AM  
4 votes:

bborchar: My problem is where does governor have the power to do such a thing? And if he's allowed to do it, what's stopping other conservative governors from banning drugs like birth control?


Patrick can argue that this drug would be exasperating the opiate problem in MA. Sure, the conservative governors could do this for birth control, but unless they argue that there's a shortage of a population in the state, they wouldn't have the same reasoning to use the power.

But I understand where you're coming from and am inclined to agree that this will have terrible consequences for those living in conservative states, but you also need to understand that since the recession started, we have an absolutely awful heroin epidemic
2014-04-08 09:50:24 AM  
3 votes:

OscarTamerz: The reason there is an epidemic of addiction to pharmaceuticals in this country is because the left wing pushed for reeducation of physicians to make sure they were available to the patients more easily.  Of course all that was needed was a prescription but the left wingers went so far as to require Continuing Medical Education courses about why you should give your patients pain relievers.  In California the requirement was for 12 hours of CME time and many states followed suit.  Now in the OC more people die of pharmaceutical overdose than die in motor vehicle accidents.  The left wing never anticipates the consequences of their actions like why it's a bad idea to pay teenagers to have babies.


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That's one of the most moronic and out of touch statements I've ever read on FARK. In reality, we have a problem with under-treating and mistreating pain in the United States. Physicians are too apt to throw what are supposed to be short term opiates that have a huge abuse and harm potential at patients, rather than refer them to pain management specialists for proper treatment with opiate and non-opiate medications.

It has absolutely nothing to do with politics.
2014-04-08 09:42:10 AM  
3 votes:

somedude210: TheSelphie: Suflig: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/andrew-kolodny-md/zohydro-the-fdaapprov e d-p_b_4855964.html

This here is an interesting link about the drug. It's 50mg of hydrocodone, ten times as potent as vicodin. An FDA advisory committee voted 11-2 against releasing it but it was approved anyway.

wat

exactly, relying on the FDA to prevent the commercial sale of this is like praying that Congress will do something about domestic spying


It's 50mg of hydrocodone in slow-release form. It's not equivalent to vicodin... until it's crushed. But this is the same problem with other delayed-release opiods and even though some have been retooled with a "tamper-resistant" formulation, they're not tamper-proof.

As for those suggesting banning all opioids: get something like cancer or other profound pain and then come back begging. Pain management is a science unto itself that people don't appreciate until they need it.

Anyway, banning opioids would just fill the Mexican cartels with glee. It's not like you can stop everyone on the planet from growing opium poppies.

The problem is addiction. Deal with that, governor.
2014-04-08 09:32:05 AM  
3 votes:
good article about this drug in Forbes:   http://www.forbes.com/sites/johnlamattina/2014/03/20/the-fdas-dilemma - with-the-opioid-pain-medication-zohydro-er/

Includes this gem:

"Was the FDA asleep at the wheel on this one? What were they thinking when they approved such a dangerous drug?
Actually, they were probably thinking about the patients, the ones who are suffering constantly and for whom nothing works to alleviate their pain."
2014-04-08 09:23:01 AM  
3 votes:

mike_d85: FTFA: "Every opioid medication is addictive," Galer said. "We are not alone. We should not be singled out. ... Our goal is for the governor to remove the ban and to be treated like every other opioid medication on the market."

OK, ban all opioids.

Tall all the prohibition rhetoric you want, offering one of the most addictive substances on the planet to people as medicine is not that great of an idea.  Especially considering that it's prescribed so commonly that the majority of heroine addicts I've known started with pills.  And I've known plenty: 2 dead, 1 in prison, 4 of unknown status.


So the problem of abusing a medication that has a place in medical use is to ban it outright?  No, I don't think so. The problem isn't the drug, it is the over-prescribing by doctors.  Which, by the way,  the governor has the authority to combat.  It isn't the easy path forward, but it is the right path forward.

I too have known my share of heroin/opiod addicts, and I blame the pushers: the doctors that prescribed the medicne to begin with without proper oversight/patient interaction.  I also have known 2 people that may or may not be addicted, but have a good medical reasons for opioid use, both related to spinal injury problems.  Banning these substances would reduce their quality of life.  Both hold full time jobs that they are able to actually function in because of prescription opioids.
2014-04-08 09:16:02 AM  
3 votes:
I just went to a funeral for a kid that OD'd on H and Fentanyl.  I don't know if that's what was banned, but I don't think that will help.  The omission of acetaminophen makes it a safer drug than that liver-killing crap they usually give you.
2014-04-08 09:12:43 AM  
3 votes:

somedude210: bborchar: My problem is where does governor have the power to do such a thing? And if he's allowed to do it, what's stopping other conservative governors from banning drugs like birth control?

Patrick can argue that this drug would be exasperating the opiate problem in MA. Sure, the conservative governors could do this for birth control, but unless they argue that there's a shortage of a population in the state, they wouldn't have the same reasoning to use the power.

But I understand where you're coming from and am inclined to agree that this will have terrible consequences for those living in conservative states, but you also need to understand that since the recession started, we have an absolutely awful heroin epidemic


And that gives a governor the right to ban a drug why? Imagine if 50 governors had the ability to ban medications. Based on what? What seems like a good reason? For farks sake, what seems like a good reason changes quite a lot from one state to the next.
2014-04-08 08:57:20 AM  
3 votes:
We're swimming in a sea of heroin, and the governor wants to cut off a pill seller.

bborchar: And if he's allowed to do it, what's stopping other conservative governors from banning drugs like birth control?


^ And this.
2014-04-08 10:42:25 AM  
2 votes:

somedude210: so what is your solution?


Recognize that the War on Drugs is ineffective and morally wrong and end it.
2014-04-08 09:56:13 AM  
2 votes:
RyansPrivates:I too have known my share of heroin/opiod addicts, and I blame the pushers: the doctors that prescribed the medicne to begin with without proper oversight/patient interaction.

The addict is the only one in the equation who can conclude that they are indeed an addict. Just because someone abuses a drug doesn't mean the doctor shouldn't be allowed to prescribe it to people who can use the drug without abusing it.

One of the most polished tools in an addict's toolbox is the ability to manipulate and lie. Second guessing every patient's motives is NOT the responsibility of a doctor who feels they are reasonably improving someone's existence.

I have no problem placing a significant portion of the blame on the addict, and I say this as someone in recovery myself.
2014-04-08 09:33:13 AM  
2 votes:

somedude210: This is the one that should've never gotten through the FDA and is very very very easy to overdose on, right?

I have no problem with Patrick doing this, if that's the case. New England is facing a massive opiate problem


You mean the one that is designed for patients on chronic opiate therapy, and has no tylenol to fry their liver?

That one?
2014-04-08 09:32:28 AM  
2 votes:

TheSelphie:
Thread over.  Opioids are bullshiat but this is a bad precedent indeed.

Private_Citizen: I came to be snarky about a mere State Governor challenging the authority of the corporate overlords, but the point about conservative governors banning birth control is well taken.

This would set a bad, bad precedent. Fight it at the FDA level.


bborchar:
My problem is where does governor have the power to do such a thing?  And if he's allowed to do it, what's stopping other conservative governors from banning drugs like birth control?

He overstepped his bounds and needs to leave this up to the correct authorities.



Why is everyone acting like the governor believes the ban will stand?  Did you guys ever consider that he did this in order to point out a glaring flaw in the drug approval system and cause national press and attention?

If the system is broken it needs to be corrected.  Either by fixing the problem or by bypassing the system.  As Governor Patrick doesn't have the authority to fix the FDA approval system this is what he does.  Yes, it's illegal.  No, it won't stand.  However, if the people are going to initially support the idea, THEN think of the FDA's legal authority it's probably going to overturn the FDA approval.
2014-04-08 09:24:46 AM  
2 votes:
Maybe if they're facing a heroin epidemic, they should try banning heroin.

Wait, they already did that, and heroin has only gotten purer and cheaper?

It's almost like this is a stupid farking idea.
2014-04-08 09:21:55 AM  
2 votes:

beefoe: bborchar: somedude210: This is the one that should've never gotten through the FDA and is very very very easy to overdose on, right?

I have no problem with Patrick doing this, if that's the case. New England is facing a massive opiate problem

My problem is where does governor have the power to do such a thing?  And if he's allowed to do it, what's stopping other conservative governors from banning drugs like birth control?

He overstepped his bounds and needs to leave this up to the correct authorities.

Don't be silly. Democrats only do good things and evil Repukelicans only do bad things.


YOU don't be silly.  All democrats do wrong is get caught committing voter fraud over and over.  Besides that they are totally honest and immune to corruption and also are very smart and attractive.
2014-04-08 09:21:39 AM  
2 votes:

Target Builder: Galer said Zohydro is safer than competitor Vicodin because it doesn't include acetaminophen, which can cause liver damage.

Thats the point of putting the acetaminophen in there - so you can't take enough of the drug to get really high without killing yourself.


Exactly: acetaminophen is safer because it's poison.
2014-04-08 09:20:18 AM  
2 votes:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/andrew-kolodny-md/zohydro-the-fdaapprov e d-p_b_4855964.html

This here is an interesting link about the drug. It's 50mg of hydrocodone, ten times as potent as vicodin. An FDA advisory committee voted 11-2 against releasing it but it was approved anyway.
2014-04-08 09:15:12 AM  
2 votes:
I see all of the relevant points have been made.

Governor Patrick, I like you, and I know your heart is in the right place.  That said, you are wrong.
2014-04-08 09:12:51 AM  
2 votes:

somedude210: bborchar: My problem is where does governor have the power to do such a thing? And if he's allowed to do it, what's stopping other conservative governors from banning drugs like birth control?

Patrick can argue that this drug would be exasperating the opiate problem in MA. Sure, the conservative governors could do this for birth control, but unless they argue that there's a shortage of a population in the state, they wouldn't have the same reasoning to use the power.

But I understand where you're coming from and am inclined to agree that this will have terrible consequences for those living in conservative states, but you also need to understand that since the recession started, we have an absolutely awful heroin epidemic


I completely understand, and I'm not advocating for drug use.  I'm simply saying that the governor doesn't and shouldn't have the ability to make decisions about which drugs are safe or not.
2014-04-08 09:09:37 AM  
2 votes:

Thunderpipes: Wait, so if someone likes a drug, it should be legal, but if they don't like it, it should be illegal?

Isn't that how pot became so illegal in the first place? Nothing wrong with prescription medication. What is wrong with why they are getting to the general public.


I believe the science shows opiates are more addictive and far more potentially deadly than pot. That should inform the decision-making too.
2014-04-08 09:07:00 AM  
2 votes:
Wait, so if someone likes a drug, it should be legal, but if they don't like it, it should be illegal?

Isn't that how pot became so illegal in the first place? Nothing wrong with prescription medication. What is wrong with why they are getting to the general public.
2014-04-08 02:41:20 PM  
1 vote:

hardinparamedic: OscarTamerz: The reason there is an epidemic of addiction to pharmaceuticals in this country is because the left wing pushed for reeducation of physicians to make sure they were available to the patients more easily.  Of course all that was needed was a prescription but the left wingers went so far as to require Continuing Medical Education courses about why you should give your patients pain relievers.  In California the requirement was for 12 hours of CME time and many states followed suit.  Now in the OC more people die of pharmaceutical overdose than die in motor vehicle accidents.  The left wing never anticipates the consequences of their actions like why it's a bad idea to pay teenagers to have babies.

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That's one of the most moronic and out of touch statements I've ever read on FARK. In reality, we have a problem with under-treating and mistreating pain in the United States. Physicians are too apt to throw what are supposed to be short term opiates that have a huge abuse and harm potential at patients, rather than refer them to pain management specialists for proper treatment with opiate and non-opiate medications.

It has absolutely nothing to do with politics.


Absolutely spot on, man. As an MS patient, i had to roll through several doctors because the first several were throwing opioids at nerve pain... it does nothing for nerve pain... it kind of makes me not care, it makes me lethargic, and it makes me unable to work, but it doesn't actually address the problem. Gabapentin, Amitryptiline do way better, have way fewer side effects, and on good days, I can cut way back and not feel shiatty. Once a month or so, on really bad days, I'll still have a pot brownie... but none of that stuff is anywhere near as rough on me as some of the stuff I was with the first few doctors. That said, neurologist number three was a total dick who was convinced everyone was trying to work him for drugs... I had a spasm bad enough that I broke my foot (and some drywall)... when I asked him if there was anything he could do to at least slow the spasms down so I wouldn't get hurt any more, his response was "we're reluctant to give out any kind of muscle relaxers because, you know, people abuse them."

It isn't always a function of just more painkillers or less painkillers, but having a doctor take the time to actually figure out why the pain exists, and addressing that problem directly. While I'll concede there are certainly "pill mill" doctors out there, especially those in shady buildings marketing themselves as "pain clinics"... I'd still say the overall lean of doctors I've met has been to either treat it hastily (throw the wrong drugs at it) or under-treat pain, even if it means leaving a patient unable to complete activities of daily living. The issue isn't availability, it is one of competence.
2014-04-08 10:52:35 AM  
1 vote:

YixilTesiphon: No, he isn't. No intelligent person, which Deval Patrick is, could think that bans on drugs work. They don't. They accomplish nothing except kill more people due to bad quality and black-market violence. He is simply pretending to do something


There is some evidence that prescription opioids can lead to opioid addiction, and when the user is denied access to their prescription, they will seek out the black market stuff.

The real problem is prohibition.
2014-04-08 10:50:53 AM  
1 vote:

MFK: ruta: MFK: Despite its availability, Heroin is already banned in the region. What the governor is doing is an attempt to keep "another heroin" out of the area.

Because that ban on heroin is doing such a swell job of keeping heroin out of the area.

What's your point? That because some things beyond the control of the state, they should just throw up their hands and say "fark it" when it comes to the things that they can control?


Well they could try something that we actually know works. http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/evaluating-drug-decriminal i zation-in-portugal-12-years-later-a-891060.html
2014-04-08 10:30:02 AM  
1 vote:

bborchar: somedude210: This is the one that should've never gotten through the FDA and is very very very easy to overdose on, right?

I have no problem with Patrick doing this, if that's the case. New England is facing a massive opiate problem

My problem is where does governor have the power to do such a thing?  And if he's allowed to do it, what's stopping other conservative governors from banning drugs like birth control?

He overstepped his bounds and needs to leave this up to the correct authorities.


He's in bounds... FDA exists because of the commerce clause... Patrick's ban does not affect interstate commerce, and since the ban is on sales, not on possession, it does not pose an obstacle to anyone's freedom of travel through the state.
2014-04-08 10:22:14 AM  
1 vote:

somedude210: ruta: The problem is addiction. Deal with that, governor.

....he is. We have an incredibly successful drug court program for users to get help instead of going to jail. The problem here is that all our progress to helping addicts is being undercut by a legal, very powerful opiate.

jaybeezey: because it sucks to be so close to Patriot fans or because New England is 2 steps away from become Old England?

snark noted, but it's mostly because the pill popping phenomenon is far too expensive now, so those addicts are switching to cheaper heroin for the same high at half the price.


Apparently it needs to be said twenty times in this thread in twenty different ways: abolition doesn't work.

This drug isn't even "very powerful" compared to other opioids. It just doesn't have the acetaminophen in it so it's actually less likely to result in [horrible painful you-wouldn't-wish-on-anyone] death from liver failure which is a greater risk than opioid OD.

It's also not "legal" for recreational use. It's only legal for its intended use, by the person the prescription was written for. If the doctor is writing them ongoing scripts for a drug intended for unintended use, that doctor needs to be educated on pain management and/or sanctioned or charged. Maybe the drug needs to be moved up a schedule, but banning it will not solve the problem. Banning it only increases its street value, pushes users onto something else, and takes one tool out of the already frustratingly limited pain management toolbox for those who legitimately need it.

The governor has obviously not dealt with the problem of addiction if it remains a large problem. Maybe he's doing some things, but plainly not enough is being done. Addiction is not cured simply by removing the addictive substance.
MFK
2014-04-08 10:17:41 AM  
1 vote:

vudukungfu: somedude210: New England is facing a massive opiate problem

And it is being handled wrong.
Small scale, if your kid is on it, you go tough love, cold turkey, and where did you get it and put the dealer behind bars, and keep the kid off.
Large scale, Oh, boo hoo. let's give them an alternative addiction, dont' ask where they got it, put in clinics, and pillows and tax the public and don't come down like a ton of bricks on people selling poison on our streets.

Clinics should work like this. You walk in. You get strapped to a cot.
You want something to drink? Water.
Eat? Bread.
Want something else? Tell us who you got the junk from and we get a conviction and we'll talk peanut butter and orange juice.

LEOs should work like this: You get caught selling it you get to see a Judge. Judge should grant as much bail as if they had been selling ricin or anthrax. And charged the same. And put away the same.
Come down like a ton of granite on them and put the word out.
You get hooked, you get cold turkey
You get caught dealing, you get the max.
Do.No.Budge.an inch on this. they will walk all over you if you give them anything else.
Boo hoo. Knock it off.


All that will happen is that the dealers will then get their junky addicts to be the new "storefront".  A heroin addict is basically a slave to their addition. They will do "whatever it takes" to get a fix. This is often not a rational choice.  Locking up low level street dealers is a waste of time and tax money because the second one guy goes away, another one will pop up in his place. Treatment of addiction is the only way to combat this problem. The ones who are behind everything are another matter, however. If all of the resources wasted on the drug war were actually applied to going after the cartels and actual drug-runners, you might see the needle move a bit.
2014-04-08 10:10:13 AM  
1 vote:

Thunderpipes: Nothing wrong with prescription medication.


Yes, there is.
The fact that this apparently never occurs to anyone as even a possibility, that's what is wrong.
Everyone you know taking a pill for something, that isn't right.
2014-04-08 10:05:27 AM  
1 vote:

mike_d85: ban all opioids


We're pretty much there already, and it does nothing to stem the flow.

The only way to control the sales and marketing of opioids is to control the sales and marketing of opioids.  As in, the government does all the sales, marketing, and distribution, and gets as many people into treatment as possible.

My brother's life was shortened considerably by heroin abuse, and he'd have fared much better with clean junk available and treatment programs required.
2014-04-08 09:54:02 AM  
1 vote:

scut207: OscarTamerz: The reason there is an epidemic of addiction to pharmaceuticals in this country is because the left wing pushed for reeducation of physicians to make sure they were available to the patients more easily. Of course all that was needed was a prescription but the left wingers went so far as to require Continuing Medical Education courses about why you should give your patients pain relievers. In California the requirement was for 12 hours of CME time and many states followed suit. Now in the OC more people die of pharmaceutical overdose than die in motor vehicle accidents. The left wing never anticipates the consequences of their actions like why it's a bad idea to pay teenagers to have babies.

I'm pregnant


Ha Fark just changed "0 / 10" to "I'm pregnant"... wife would be thrilled IVF is expensive.
2014-04-08 09:53:44 AM  
1 vote:

hardinparamedic: OscarTamerz: The reason there is an epidemic of addiction to pharmaceuticals in this country is because the left wing pushed for reeducation of physicians to make sure they were available to the patients more easily.  Of course all that was needed was a prescription but the left wingers went so far as to require Continuing Medical Education courses about why you should give your patients pain relievers.  In California the requirement was for 12 hours of CME time and many states followed suit.  Now in the OC more people die of pharmaceutical overdose than die in motor vehicle accidents.  The left wing never anticipates the consequences of their actions like why it's a bad idea to pay teenagers to have babies.

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That's one of the most moronic and out of touch statements I've ever read on FARK. In reality, we have a problem with under-treating and mistreating pain in the United States. Physicians are too apt to throw what are supposed to be short term opiates that have a huge abuse and harm potential at patients, rather than refer them to pain management specialists for proper treatment with opiate and non-opiate medications.

It has absolutely nothing to do with politics.


That comment was a good example of "this person could be a moron because they think this or they could be a moron because they are the sort of moron who thinks pretending to be a moron is less moronic than being a moron in the first place for thinking this".

So in other words - one can safely discard everything they say.
2014-04-08 09:44:50 AM  
1 vote:
I was addicted to hydromorphone which is about 10x stronger than hydrocodone for pain  due to radiation to tonsil cancer.  I was only on it for about 4 weeks post rads, imagine someone sunburning the inner lining of your throat for 35 days in a row, that was the pain level, morphine didn't touch it.

I tapered too fast when the pain was abating and was the most miserable I've ever been in my life. I was in the fetal position scratching, sweating, freezing, tremors, booting for about 40 hrs straight.

I doubt I'll ever take them again due to how awful I felt during due to side effects while trying to get off them.

Opitates do wonders for those who need them. But holy hell stay the F away if your just messing around. Smoke some weed its far cheaper and much less trouble and honestly a better high.   I was convinced that there were people after me when I was on the hydromorphone. Was in no way an experience i want to repeat.
2014-04-08 09:42:56 AM  
1 vote:

somedude210: hardinparamedic: You mean the one that is designed for patients on chronic opiate therapy, and has no tylenol to fry their liver?

I dunno, is that the one that's significantly more powerful than vicodin and is incredibly easy to OD on? That's the one


You might want to set down for this, because it's clear you've never heard the pants-pissing terror of Morphine, Dilaudid, Demerol, or Fentanyl.

But no. Chronic liver damage and fulminate liver failure in chronic pain patients is a small price to pay for punishing addicts for the failure of our system to properly manage pain and addiction.
2014-04-08 09:39:43 AM  
1 vote:
GORDON:  All democrats do wrong is get caught committing voter fraud over and over.

Wow, and look all all the examples you provided! I'm convinced.
2014-04-08 09:38:56 AM  
1 vote:
When people are bombing out their livers on lortabs, why is this idiot flipping on Z ER? Leave the drugs to the professionals and go back to doing whatever it is Governors do... like abusing their power in an ill-conceived attempt to position themselves to make a run at president. Oh, wait..
2014-04-08 09:38:37 AM  
1 vote:

Private_Citizen: I came to be snarky about a mere State Governor challenging the authority of the corporate overlords, but the point about conservative governors banning birth control is well taken.

This would set a bad, bad precedent. Fight it at the FDA level.


I could see the the state of Texas banning plan b just like this nimrod and quote the reason public safety
2014-04-08 09:35:30 AM  
1 vote:

Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion: bborchar:

My problem is where does governor have the power to do such a thing?

The Tenth Amdendment to the US Constitution:

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.


General welfare + Necessary and Proper clause makes drug safety a Federal matter, not a State matter. The power has already been delegated to the United States.
2014-04-08 09:29:39 AM  
1 vote:
Deval Patrick, stop making me stick up for a pharmaceutical corporation. Stop it right this instant!
2014-04-08 09:28:52 AM  
1 vote:

Target Builder: Galer said Zohydro is safer than competitor Vicodin because it doesn't include acetaminophen, which can cause liver damage.

Thats the point of putting the acetaminophen in there - so you can't take enough of the drug to get really high without killing yourself.


Well, a lot of opiate abusers either don't know that or don't care.

The ones that know and care use cold water extraction (or something else) to remove the acetaminophen.

It probably also hurts a lot of people with legit prescriptions who might cheat on how many they're supposed to take in a day.
2014-04-08 09:22:55 AM  
1 vote:

somedude210: But I understand where you're coming from and am inclined to agree that this will have terrible consequences for those living in conservative states, but you also need to understand that since the recession started, we have an absolutely awful heroin epidemic


Eh... I'm more inclined to believe that it's more closely related to the prolonged land war in a country that produces large amounts of opium products.  Kind of like how there was a heroine epidemic right after Vietnam, there is now a heroine epidemic right after Afghanistan.

They were both heavily protested too.  Though with less anti-troop mentality and no draft.
MFK
2014-04-08 09:19:14 AM  
1 vote:

Private_Citizen: I came to be snarky about a mere State Governor challenging the authority of the corporate overlords, but the point about conservative governors banning birth control is well taken.

This would set a bad, bad precedent. Fight it at the FDA level.


The FDA is toothless thanks to our Republican friends in Congress who feel that "all regulation is bad hurr durr".

Keep in mind that the entire reason that New England is dealing with such a large Heroin epidemic at all is largely because of big Pharma who were pushing doctors to prescribe OxyContin and the like for every little ache and pain resulting in a huge amount of hard core opiates in everyone's medicine cabinets. By the time they realized how many people were getting hooked on them for recreational purposes, they cracked down hard on their availability and for example, required that if the pills were crushed they would turn to a goop instead of a powder. However, this was akin to closing the barn door after the horses have gotten out. What happened was that you were left with a large addict population and with pills going on the black market for $40-$60 a pop on the low end the heroin dealers swooped in and were like "you should try this. It's like Oxys only cheaper and way easier to get".
2014-04-08 09:18:31 AM  
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bborchar: somedude210: This is the one that should've never gotten through the FDA and is very very very easy to overdose on, right?

I have no problem with Patrick doing this, if that's the case. New England is facing a massive opiate problem

 And if he's allowed to do it, what's stopping other conservative governors from banning drugs like birth control?


Thread over.  Opioids are bullshiat but this is a bad precedent indeed.
2014-04-08 09:16:38 AM  
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Private_Citizen: I came to be snarky about a mere State Governor challenging the authority of the corporate overlords, but the point about conservative governors banning birth control is well taken.

This would set a bad, bad precedent. Fight it at the FDA level.


Sadly this.
2014-04-08 09:13:07 AM  
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Even if there is a huge problem with opiads in the state, what does banning this one drug do? Absolutely nothing. Even if patrick banned every opiad, which would be insane, it still would hardly dent the problem. Just another politician pretending that theyre fixing the problem. How about some actual solutions? Why is opiate abuse so heavy in the state? What is causing people to turn to this drug? Where are the efforts to rehabilitate?
2014-04-08 09:12:14 AM  
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FTFA: "Every opioid medication is addictive," Galer said. "We are not alone. We should not be singled out. ... Our goal is for the governor to remove the ban and to be treated like every other opioid medication on the market."

OK, ban all opioids.

Tall all the prohibition rhetoric you want, offering one of the most addictive substances on the planet to people as medicine is not that great of an idea.  Especially considering that it's prescribed so commonly that the majority of heroine addicts I've known started with pills.  And I've known plenty: 2 dead, 1 in prison, 4 of unknown status.
2014-04-08 09:05:33 AM  
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beefoe: bborchar: somedude210: This is the one that should've never gotten through the FDA and is very very very easy to overdose on, right?

I have no problem with Patrick doing this, if that's the case. New England is facing a massive opiate problem

My problem is where does governor have the power to do such a thing?  And if he's allowed to do it, what's stopping other conservative governors from banning drugs like birth control?

He overstepped his bounds and needs to leave this up to the correct authorities.

Don't be silly. Democrats only do good things and evil Repukelicans only do bad things.


Help help I'm having the oppression of this!
2014-04-08 09:04:01 AM  
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bborchar: somedude210: This is the one that should've never gotten through the FDA and is very very very easy to overdose on, right?

I have no problem with Patrick doing this, if that's the case. New England is facing a massive opiate problem

My problem is where does governor have the power to do such a thing?  And if he's allowed to do it, what's stopping other conservative governors from banning drugs like birth control?

He overstepped his bounds and needs to leave this up to the correct authorities.


Don't be silly. Democrats only do good things and evil Repukelicans only do bad things.
2014-04-08 08:42:45 AM  
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This is the one that should've never gotten through the FDA and is very very very easy to overdose on, right?

I have no problem with Patrick doing this, if that's the case. New England is facing a massive opiate problem
 
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