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(Haaretz)   "A Jewish response to Israeli checkpoints" Can you guilt trip a nation of Jews? This guy would like to try   (haaretz.com) divider line 41
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2014-04-08 10:02:08 AM
Anyone in here that subscribes to Haaretz can fill us in on the whole article?
 
2014-04-08 10:02:27 AM
He would also like you to pay to read TFA.

Bad subby.
 
2014-04-08 10:03:28 AM
is it because they are used to being asked, 'papers, please'?
 
2014-04-08 10:03:58 AM
This should be fun. And by fun I mean futile.
 
2014-04-08 10:04:42 AM

bullsballs: is it because they are used to being asked, 'papers, please'?


This time it's different.
 
2014-04-08 10:05:08 AM
i.imgur.com
 
2014-04-08 10:07:42 AM
Everything Israel ever does is good or right and if you question it you are akin to a holocaust denier, you filthy anti semite.
 
2014-04-08 10:08:37 AM
It's a Jewish joke somewhere about having to pay to see the article.
 
2014-04-08 10:16:33 AM

drjekel_mrhyde: It's a Jewish joke somewhere about having to pay to see the article.


DING DING DING DING DING!
 
2014-04-08 10:26:46 AM

drjekel_mrhyde: It's a Jewish joke somewhere about having to pay to see the article.


I was going to make the same joke. Maybe someone should contact them to notify them about their stereotype.
 
2014-04-08 10:40:36 AM

drjekel_mrhyde: It's a Jewish joke somewhere about having to pay to see the article.


Those aren't matzo balls?
 
2014-04-08 10:50:41 AM

DarkSoulNoHope: Anyone in here that subscribes to Haaretz can fill us in on the whole article?


Just add this to the beginning of the link:
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:
 
2014-04-08 10:52:51 AM
Guilt tripping Israelis about Palestinians?


img.fark.net

/Chaos, indeed.
 
2014-04-08 10:57:09 AM

drjekel_mrhyde: It's a Jewish joke somewhere about having to pay to see the article.


He fell out of the guard tower.
 
2014-04-08 11:19:21 AM
Fark would do well to never put up another Haaretz link.
 
2014-04-08 11:35:30 AM
Meh. Get rid of the blockade, and close all the gates between Gaza and Israel.
 
2014-04-08 11:45:34 AM

give me doughnuts: Meh. Get rid of the blockade, and close all the gates between Gaza and Israel.


Pop quiz hotshot, what do about the West Bank? What do you do?
 
2014-04-08 11:50:52 AM
Oy vey. There are  no Palestinians.

"The Palestinian people does not exist. The creation of a
Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle
against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality
today there is no difference between Jordanians,
Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. Only for political and
tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of
a Palestinian people, since Arab national interests demand
that we posit the existence of a distinct 'Palestinian
people' to oppose Zionism. 

"For tactical reasons, Jordan, which is a sovereign state
with defined borders, cannot raise claims to Haifa and Jaffa.
While as a Palestinian, I can undoubtedly demand Haifa,
Jaffa, Beer-Sheva and Jerusalem. However, the moment we
reclaim our right to all of Palestine, we will not wait even
a minute to unite Palestine and Jordan." 

(PLO executive committee member Zahir Muhsein, in a 1977
interview with the Dutch newspaper Trouw.)

Hamas leader admits, "There is no such thing as a 'Palestinian' people"  Hamas interior minister, Fathi Hamad, tells Egyptian TV: "Half of Palestinians came from Egypt and the other half came from Saudi Arabia,"

"...if there were a Palestinian state, why would its leaders want their potential citizens to be repatriated to another state? From a nation-building perspective it makes no sense. In fact, the original discussions about repatriation took place at a time that there was no hope of a Palestinian state. With the possibility of that state emerging, the Palestinians must decide if they want to view themselves as a legitimate state or if it is more important for them to keep their self-defined status as oppressed, stateless refugees. They really can't be both."
- Fredelle Spiegel
 
2014-04-08 11:54:16 AM

tjassen: give me doughnuts: Meh. Get rid of the blockade, and close all the gates between Gaza and Israel.

Pop quiz hotshot, what do about the West Bank? What do you do?


Send them all back to Jordan.
 
2014-04-08 12:04:29 PM

give me doughnuts: tjassen: give me doughnuts: Meh. Get rid of the blockade, and close all the gates between Gaza and Israel.

Pop quiz hotshot, what do about the West Bank? What do you do?

Send them all back to Jordan.


Now I know Foreign Minister Lieberman's fark handle...
 
2014-04-08 12:11:42 PM

tjassen: give me doughnuts: tjassen: give me doughnuts: Meh. Get rid of the blockade, and close all the gates between Gaza and Israel.

Pop quiz hotshot, what do about the West Bank? What do you do?

Send them all back to Jordan.

Now I know Foreign Minister Lieberman's fark handle...



Could I be Kucinich, instead?
His wife is waaay hotter.
 
2014-04-08 12:35:27 PM

give me doughnuts: tjassen: give me doughnuts: tjassen: give me doughnuts: Meh. Get rid of the blockade, and close all the gates between Gaza and Israel.

Pop quiz hotshot, what do about the West Bank? What do you do?

Send them all back to Jordan.

Now I know Foreign Minister Lieberman's fark handle...


Could I be Kucinich, instead?
His wife is waaay hotter.


Hey it's the interwebs, you can be anyone you want. Even Kucinich's wife.
 
2014-04-08 01:01:38 PM

tjassen: give me doughnuts: Meh. Get rid of the blockade, and close all the gates between Gaza and Israel.

Pop quiz hotshot, what do about the West Bank? What do you do?


the old testament is quite clear on this subject,
 
2014-04-08 01:02:51 PM

Clemkadidlefark: Oy vey. There are  no Palestinians.


Laying the ground work for genocide, I see.
 
2014-04-08 01:24:20 PM

Clemkadidlefark: Oy vey. There are  no Palestinians.

"The Palestinian people does not exist. The creation of a
Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle
against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality
today there is no difference between Jordanians,
Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. Only for political and
tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of
a Palestinian people, since Arab national interests demand
that we posit the existence of a distinct 'Palestinian
people' to oppose Zionism. 

"For tactical reasons, Jordan, which is a sovereign state
with defined borders, cannot raise claims to Haifa and Jaffa.
While as a Palestinian, I can undoubtedly demand Haifa,
Jaffa, Beer-Sheva and Jerusalem. However, the moment we
reclaim our right to all of Palestine, we will not wait even
a minute to unite Palestine and Jordan." 

(PLO executive committee member Zahir Muhsein, in a 1977
interview with the Dutch newspaper Trouw.)

Hamas leader admits, "There is no such thing as a 'Palestinian' people"  Hamas interior minister, Fathi Hamad, tells Egyptian TV: "Half of Palestinians came from Egypt and the other half came from Saudi Arabia,"

"...if there were a Palestinian state, why would its leaders want their potential citizens to be repatriated to another state? From a nation-building perspective it makes no sense. In fact, the original discussions about repatriation took place at a time that there was no hope of a Palestinian state. With the possibility of that state emerging, the Palestinians must decide if they want to view themselves as a legitimate state or if it is more important for them to keep their self-defined status as oppressed, stateless refugees. They really can't be both."
- Fredelle Spiegel



Have you ever heard of the Philistines, one of the peoples that were already living in Canaan (the Canaanites are another story) when the Jews showed up, and thus predate the Israelites?  That is where the term Palestine comes from.
 
2014-04-08 01:44:31 PM
Well... I bet their mothers can.
 
2014-04-08 02:07:52 PM

bullsballs: is it because they are used to being asked, 'papers, please'?


Glory to Arstotzka
 
2014-04-08 02:09:57 PM

Gaius: Clemkadidlefark: Oy vey. There are no Palestinians.

{quotey stuff about Palestine being a catchier name than Nunavut.}

Have you ever heard of the Philistines, one of the peoples that were already living in Canaan (the Canaanites are another story) when the Jews showed up, and thus predate the Israelites? That is where the term Palestine comes from.


You're making it sound like it's merely a branding problem. "Palestine" is an overloaded operator.

Let's focus on the marketing by retooling the brand. Stop focusing on the West Bank: the Gaza Strip could be trendy the way Ensenada is slowly becoming Hipster Tijuana. How about "Tijuana on the Med"? "Beachfront Transjordan"? "Tippecanoe and West Bank Too?"

This would turn the argument from "who gets a nation at the sacred site for three major religions?" to "condos on the shore but halal instead of kosher". The Gaza Strip is twice the size of Brooklyn! Developers, ahoy!
 
2014-04-08 02:12:59 PM

Gaius: Have you ever heard of the Philistines, one of the peoples that were already living in Canaan (the Canaanites are another story) when the Jews showed up, and thus predate the Israelites? That is where the term Palestine comes from.


Yes, the "Peleset" were part of the Sea Peoples that tried to invade and conquer Egypt during the reign of Ramses III. After that less that successful attempt, a bunch of the Sea People settled (or were settled. it varies) in the current-day Gaza Strip area.

They fought, pretty much continually, with the Isrealites, and were renowned for their week-long keggers.
 
2014-04-08 02:24:05 PM
They fought, pretty much continually, with the Isrealites, and were renowned for their week-long keggers.

And they say the Philistines were devoid of culture...
 
2014-04-08 02:27:48 PM
I'm sorry to ruin the flow of this thread, but ummm...

...would the original submitter be so kind as to summarize the paywalled section? You got greenlit, so show us why.
 
2014-04-08 02:34:42 PM

pseydtonne: I'm sorry to ruin the flow of this thread, but ummm...

...would the original submitter be so kind as to summarize the paywalled section? You got greenlit, so show us why.


What's the fark etiquette for Didn't read the thread?

tjassen: DarkSoulNoHope: Anyone in here that subscribes to Haaretz can fill us in on the whole article?

Just add this to the beginning of the link:
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:

 
rpl
2014-04-08 02:34:54 PM

Gaius: Clemkadidlefark: Oy vey. There are  no Palestinians.

"The Palestinian people does not exist. The creation of a
Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle
against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality
today there is no difference between Jordanians,
Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. Only for political and
tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of
a Palestinian people, since Arab national interests demand
that we posit the existence of a distinct 'Palestinian
people' to oppose Zionism.

"For tactical reasons, Jordan, which is a sovereign state
with defined borders, cannot raise claims to Haifa and Jaffa.
While as a Palestinian, I can undoubtedly demand Haifa,
Jaffa, Beer-Sheva and Jerusalem. However, the moment we
reclaim our right to all of Palestine, we will not wait even
a minute to unite Palestine and Jordan."

(PLO executive committee member Zahir Muhsein, in a 1977
interview with the Dutch newspaper Trouw.)

Hamas leader admits, "There is no such thing as a 'Palestinian' people"  Hamas interior minister, Fathi Hamad, tells Egyptian TV: "Half of Palestinians came from Egypt and the other half came from Saudi Arabia,"

"...if there were a Palestinian state, why would its leaders want their potential citizens to be repatriated to another state? From a nation-building perspective it makes no sense. In fact, the original discussions about repatriation took place at a time that there was no hope of a Palestinian state. With the possibility of that state emerging, the Palestinians must decide if they want to view themselves as a legitimate state or if it is more important for them to keep their self-defined status as oppressed, stateless refugees. They really can't be both."
- Fredelle Spiegel


Have you ever heard of the Philistines, one of the peoples that were already living in Canaan (the Canaanites are another story) when the Jews showed up, and thus predate the Israelites?  That is where the term Palestine come ...


Actually, the Philistines specifically, came to Canaan at about the same time the Israelites did. They were fairly easy to tell apart from the rest because they were Greeks. And their territory was limited to what is now the coat of Gaza/South Israel. And they were long gone when the Romans named the Israelite territories after them. And the vast majority of people who refer to themselves as Palestinian live in Jordan (what was Moab and Ammon).

But other than that you're spot on.
 
2014-04-08 02:37:23 PM

Gaius: They fought, pretty much continually, with the Isrealites, and were renowned for their week-long keggers.

And they say the Philistines were devoid of culture...


I had an archeology professor who spent a couple of summers digging up a Phillistine town. He said that it seemed like every other structure in that town was a tavern, winery, or brewery.

The mellow drunks would hang out at the beach, and the angry drunks would go fight Isrealites.
In between, they'd get hammered and eat barbeque.
 
2014-04-08 02:37:35 PM
I'm glad our foreign policy is dictated by groups of farkwits clining to tribal affiliations from thousands of years ago.
 
2014-04-08 03:24:24 PM
Uh, you dropped a hard "J" on us.
 
2014-04-08 03:53:06 PM
The mellow drunks would hang out at the beach, and the angry drunks would go fight Isrealites.
In between, they'd get hammered and eat barbeque.


THIS is why I wish Fark had a "like" button.
 
2014-04-08 04:04:31 PM

Clemkadidlefark: Oy vey. There are  no Palestinians.

"The Palestinian people does not exist. The creation of a
Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle
against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality
today there is no difference between Jordanians,
Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. Only for political and
tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of
a Palestinian people, since Arab national interests demand
that we posit the existence of a distinct 'Palestinian
people' to oppose Zionism. 

"For tactical reasons, Jordan, which is a sovereign state
with defined borders, cannot raise claims to Haifa and Jaffa.
While as a Palestinian, I can undoubtedly demand Haifa,
Jaffa, Beer-Sheva and Jerusalem. However, the moment we
reclaim our right to all of Palestine, we will not wait even
a minute to unite Palestine and Jordan." 

(PLO executive committee member Zahir Muhsein, in a 1977
interview with the Dutch newspaper Trouw.)

Hamas leader admits, "There is no such thing as a 'Palestinian' people"  Hamas interior minister, Fathi Hamad, tells Egyptian TV: "Half of Palestinians came from Egypt and the other half came from Saudi Arabia,"

"...if there were a Palestinian state, why would its leaders want their potential citizens to be repatriated to another state? From a nation-building perspective it makes no sense. In fact, the original discussions about repatriation took place at a time that there was no hope of a Palestinian state. With the possibility of that state emerging, the Palestinians must decide if they want to view themselves as a legitimate state or if it is more important for them to keep their self-defined status as oppressed, stateless refugees. They really can't be both."
- Fredelle Spiegel


Aren't you precious
 
2014-04-08 05:20:48 PM

Clemkadidlefark: Oy vey. There are  no Palestinians.

"The Palestinian people does not exist. The creation of a
Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle
against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality
today there is no difference between Jordanians,
Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. Only for political and
tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of
a Palestinian people, since Arab national interests demand
that we posit the existence of a distinct 'Palestinian
people' to oppose Zionism. 

"For tactical reasons, Jordan, which is a sovereign state
with defined borders, cannot raise claims to Haifa and Jaffa.
While as a Palestinian, I can undoubtedly demand Haifa,
Jaffa, Beer-Sheva and Jerusalem. However, the moment we
reclaim our right to all of Palestine, we will not wait even
a minute to unite Palestine and Jordan." 

(PLO executive committee member Zahir Muhsein, in a 1977
interview with the Dutch newspaper Trouw.)

Hamas leader admits, "There is no such thing as a 'Palestinian' people"  Hamas interior minister, Fathi Hamad, tells Egyptian TV: "Half of Palestinians came from Egypt and the other half came from Saudi Arabia,"

"...if there were a Palestinian state, why would its leaders want their potential citizens to be repatriated to another state? From a nation-building perspective it makes no sense. In fact, the original discussions about repatriation took place at a time that there was no hope of a Palestinian state. With the possibility of that state emerging, the Palestinians must decide if they want to view themselves as a legitimate state or if it is more important for them to keep their self-defined status as oppressed, stateless refugees. They really can't be both."
- Fredelle Spiegel



You know who else liked to focus on semantics so he could feel better about murdering people?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacre_of_Deir_Yassin

I'm not a fan of terrorism, but the Arabs who got kicked out of what is now Israel have a point:  THEY weren't the ones responsible for the Holocaust.

"Why should the Arabs make peace? . . . We have taken their country. Sure, God promised it to us, but what does that matter to them? Our God is not theirs."  - David Ben Gurion.

(not exactly a stereotypical Palestinian apologist, is he?)
 
2014-04-08 05:22:31 PM

lilplatinum: I'm glad our foreign policy is dictated by groups of farkwits clining to tribal affiliations from thousands of years ago.


But enough about our party caucuses...
 
2014-04-09 08:55:30 AM
I'm forced to wonder how the United States would react if the UN all of a sudden announced that all land west of the Mississippi River was no longer US territory but now belonged to the Native Americans due to the genocide perpetrated on them over the past couple of centuries.  And then, let us imagine that Russia decides to back that decision with military assistance and seretly provide the Native Americans with nuclear weapons and Blackjack bombers to deliver them.

Think some people might have a problem with this?

But then again, a temple in Des Moines isn't a key symbol in the second coming of the messiah, so fark it.
 
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