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2014-04-08 10:16:00 AM
Newsflash. The price of things farken rises.
 
2014-04-08 10:16:03 AM
Here's your choices: a depressed economy, or high gasoline prices. Pick one, and stop complaining.
 
2014-04-08 10:17:26 AM
Good thing we produce so much oil in the Dakotas now.
 
2014-04-08 10:17:56 AM
Drill, baby drill?
 
2014-04-08 10:18:20 AM
Wait, Obama hasn't pulled the "lower gas price" lever this month?  WTF is he doing?
 
2014-04-08 10:19:00 AM

F22raptom: Newsflash. The price of things farken rises.


That means we are all becoming wealthier. You know, dollar devaluation means wealth creation.
 
2014-04-08 10:19:04 AM

LazyMedia: Here's your choices: a depressed economy, or high gasoline prices. Pick one, and stop complaining.


I choose depressed economy. Now lower the damn gas prices!
 
2014-04-08 10:19:42 AM
According to gasbuddy, the national average price today is $3.566, while the national average price a year ago was $3.575.

So local economic conditions != national economic conditions, unsurprisingly.
 
2014-04-08 10:20:00 AM
I use my time machine.  It only gets 8 years to the gallon but I go back to 1971 and get the gas for my time machine, SUV, ATV, PWC, and MRAP at 32 cents a gallon.  Or course, I realize that my demand in 1971 is effecting supply in 2014 but I get full service (Google it kids) and a free President Plate for every 20 gallons purchased.  Next trip, I'm getting the Truman and Eisenhower plates.
 
2014-04-08 10:20:21 AM
Bush lowered gas prices. All we need is a global financial meltdown.
 
2014-04-08 10:21:08 AM
Well gee subby, if only we had some sort of viable alternative fuel or fuels to compensate for the high prices and give competition to oil companies. But we would need to take away the subsidies we give those oil companies in order to fund research and infrastructure that could make that happen, but we can't do that in the name of the holy "Job Creators" (blessed be their names). Instead this calls for more tax cuts for the rich and the elimination of subsidized loans for solar panel companies due to just one of them going out of business! (and if one goes out of business, what could happen to the rest of them? I don't know, and you don't wanna know, so lets just get rid of them all!)
 
2014-04-08 10:26:29 AM
Oblig:

media.npr.org
 
2014-04-08 10:29:37 AM

LazyMedia: Here's your choices: a depressed economy, or high gasoline prices. Pick one, and stop complaining.


Remember 1999?
www1.eere.energy.gov
https://www1.eere.energy.gov/vehiclesandfuels/facts/2005/fcvt_fotw36 4. html

Good times
 
2014-04-08 10:31:26 AM
But wait, didn't Obama just give TOW missiles to Islamist rebels in Syria to make the Saudies happy? How could prices go UP? Maybe Obama isn't a good horse trader.
 
2014-04-08 10:33:27 AM
I have a crazy coworker who biatches about "Obamagas" constantly. I used to try an argue with him, but I've realized that it's just not worth it. His hatred for liberals scares me a bit.
 
2014-04-08 10:46:55 AM
More likely it's f*cking speculators again...
 
2014-04-08 10:51:21 AM

SirGeorgeBurkelwitzIII: I have a crazy coworker who biatches about "Obamagas" constantly. I used to try an argue with him, but I've realized that it's just not worth it. His hatred for liberals scares me a bit.


It's all HIS fault
 
2014-04-08 10:51:45 AM

packman_jon: LazyMedia: Here's your choices: a depressed economy, or high gasoline prices. Pick one, and stop complaining.

Remember 1999?
[www1.eere.energy.gov image 561x300]
https://www1.eere.energy.gov/vehiclesandfuels/facts/2005/fcvt_fotw36 4. html

Good times


It would be nice if that chart didn't stop right before prices skyrocketed after Hurricane Katrina.
 
2014-04-08 11:02:45 AM

Itstoearly: packman_jon: LazyMedia: Here's your choices: a depressed economy, or high gasoline prices. Pick one, and stop complaining.

Remember 1999?
[www1.eere.energy.gov image 561x300]
https://www1.eere.energy.gov/vehiclesandfuels/facts/2005/fcvt_fotw36 4. html

Good times

It would be nice if that chart didn't stop right before prices skyrocketed after Hurricane Katrina.


It's an old chart, but the point was that good economy =! high gas prices
 
2014-04-08 11:36:07 AM
Bush and Haliburton  whargbargl!
 
2014-04-08 11:51:29 AM
That chart was 10 years out of date. Here is a similar chart from the same source that is only five years out of date.


Why can't the US Department of Energy be bothered update their charts annually?
 
2014-04-08 11:51:43 AM
There is a chart at oil-price.net that shows WTI over the last month, quarter, year, and 5 years. If you check it, you can see there has been a steady upward trend over 5 years, bumpy and fairly slow but predictable. The corresponding chart for Brent has a quick upward trend followed by a bumpy plateau for the last 2 years or so.

Gas prices suck? No shiat.

/not 'peak oil' yet but 'peak cheap oil' already
//don't expect $1 a gallon again soon
///plan accordingly
 
2014-04-08 11:57:59 AM
everyone can calm down - Dianne Feinstein is investigating this
 
2014-04-08 12:01:30 PM
Once that Keystone pipeline is built, gas is going to be super cheap.
 
2014-04-08 12:13:36 PM

RastaKins: That chart was 10 years out of date. Here is a similar chart from the same source that is only five years out of date.


Why can't the US Department of Energy be bothered update their charts annually?


They do, but it takes a while to transport the charts outside the building.
 
2014-04-08 12:20:24 PM

RastaKins: That chart was 10 years out of date. Here is a similar chart from the same source that is only five years out of date.


Why can't the US Department of Energy be bothered update their charts annually?


The contractors over at the DOE Charts and Maps, or DOE/C&M as we like to call it are working overtime to bring U S Americans updated charts and maps.  Once a chart is updated and the average turnaround for that is less than 24 man hours or 32 woman hours (gotta be honest). The chart is printed out ten times and sent to Central Collating where each chart gets a distribution attachment which directs the chart to the appropriate area for appropriate appropriations.  The charts are then sent to Enveloping and on to Central Mailing where they are distributed to Non Centralized Mailing.  Just in case one mailing center is destroyed by terrorists, the other charts should get through.  Now the charts are being moved by the U S Postal Service which routes all government mail through their Distribution Center in Roswell New Mexico.  It is then trucked back to Washington D C where it is stored for 90 days in an anthrax detection center.  After 90 days, it moves to an anthrax post-detection center and from there, it goes to Kell's Bar where an Anthrax cover band plays on Friday night because the bar owner is the lead singer's dad.

Since it's been exposed to Anthrax, it has to go back to the anthrax detection center, the post-detection center and the bar and this cycle repeats itself until the envelope falls off the truck and someone picks it up and puts it in a mailbox or delivers it themselves.      If they deliver it themselves, they are arrested for impersonating a postman and they get sent to the feds where they are measured for those weird blue shorts and pith helmet.

Once the letter with the updated chart reaches the destination, the envelope is opened in the order in which it was received.  Some agencies report that they are currently reviewing 2008 mail but that's just bragging and the government frowns on bragging or boasting.  It makes the other departments feel insecure.

The only exception to the above procedure is when there is a new president.  Those photos are shipped by Fed Ex directly from the printers to the desks of the people who voted for them.  The NSA provides the information pertaining to who voted for whom.  They have a special program inserted in to all electronic voting machines that allow the NSA to either gather all votes or change the ones requested by [CARRIER SIGNAL LOST]
 
2014-04-08 12:21:26 PM
The last time there was a bounce upward in petrol prices, I happened to stop, refuel and pay at the same time as some dude who was about 6'4," who started yelling at the 5'4" minimum-wage convenience store clerk about the price hike.  I leaned in and said to him, "Yeah, and it's all HER fault."

I'm only about 5'10" on a good day, and he spun and gave me a look like he wanted to strangle me for saying that.  I had no doubt that he was capable, but instead he just stormed out yelling about Washington, D.C.

/"Yah meet an asshole during the day, then maybe you just met an asshole.  But if you meet them all day, then maybe you are the asshole."
 
2014-04-08 12:24:35 PM
all i know is that in my area it has jumped up over $0.15 a gallon in just a few days

meh
 
2014-04-08 12:32:49 PM

Harry Freakstorm: I use my time machine.  It only gets 8 years to the gallon but I go back to 1971 and get the gas for my time machine, SUV, ATV, PWC, and MRAP at 32 cents a gallon.  Or course, I realize that my demand in 1971 is effecting supply in 2014 but I get full service (Google it kids) and a free President Plate for every 20 gallons purchased.  Next trip, I'm getting the Truman and Eisenhower plates.

yep, go to Shell 'cause they giving away some really groovy steak knives.  Last a long time.  Oh, and when Neil walks on the moon, Shell has a model lunar lander--it's cardboard but still pretty cool.  Poke it out of its cardboard and insert tabs into slots, and voila, a lander.
 
2014-04-08 12:50:18 PM
Obama must be buying lots of Halliburton stock.
 
2014-04-08 12:53:39 PM
But But...

cloudfront.mediamatters.org
 
2014-04-08 01:02:14 PM
because of higher demand and tighter supplies than usual,

That's what they always say.

Last year, an alcohol fuel plant opened up here, one designed to not use corn but instead to use the debris from yard waste, lot clearing and other green stuff. Usually, gas stations close to such a plant tend to see fuel cost reductions -- but none have appeared so far.

I watch the commercials on TV where the main state power provider brags about being 95% free of foreign oil and is working to get to 100%.

The power bills never drop -- or if you manage to get them to, the 'fuel adjustment' price goes up to compensate.

Then I read reports on these huge coal mines basically digging up mountains, notice the expansion of wind farms and have heard about functional solar energy plants. We also have a Nuclear Plant quietly churning out gobs of power about 30 miles away from here -- a plant which has never faced any radiation crisis or scare.

Energy bills do not go down.

Winter hits and the costs soar, always due to unexpected weather conditions. After a few decades of this, you'd think by now they'd get it right. Summer pops up and it's the same thing, only with tourists added.

Then I read where folks biatch that alcohol fuel doesn't give you all that great gas mileage -- and wonder who the f**k cares if you get 20 mpg or 26 mpg if the gas is around $2.00 a gallon. I had a Pontiac GTO that got 8 mpg years ago -- but gas was $0.25 a gallon. My power bill for my one bedroom efficiency apartment was a whopping $20 a month. (Same place today pays around $195.)
 
2014-04-08 01:04:54 PM

dogslobber buttlube: Harry Freakstorm: I use my time machine.  It only gets 8 years to the gallon but I go back to 1971 and get the gas for my time machine, SUV, ATV, PWC, and MRAP at 32 cents a gallon.  Or course, I realize that my demand in 1971 is effecting supply in 2014 but I get full service (Google it kids) and a free President Plate for every 20 gallons purchased.  Next trip, I'm getting the Truman and Eisenhower plates.
yep, go to Shell 'cause they giving away some really groovy steak knives.  Last a long time.  Oh, and when Neil walks on the moon, Shell has a model lunar lander--it's cardboard but still pretty cool.  Poke it out of its cardboard and insert tabs into slots, and voila, a lander.


I go to the gas station that give S & H Green Stamps.  I'm just 356 books shy of getting a new three speed mixer.  Missus Freakstorm is really going to remember this anniversary.
 
2014-04-08 01:35:42 PM
I remember a couple of years ago, when the price of gas was way up, someone i power (the Pres, maybe), went to the people that control the oil prices, and begged them to drop the price.
Their response was, "Well, there is no indication that people are buying less, so why should we drop the price?"

They will actually CUT production sometimes in order to keep the prices as they are, rather than let supply and demand go against their favor.
Fark you assholes.  Fark you.

I remember that Robin Williams had an actual brilliant solution to this.
(paraphrase)
"You know you solve the gas price problem?  Offer them $10 a barrel.  And that's it.  Within a couple of weeks, their stores will be overflowing, and they will have no one to buy.  They will be forced to accept the lower prices."

I know it's unrealistic.  But I would love to see the world give that a try sometime.
 
2014-04-08 03:35:44 PM
Back in December Gas was dipping below $3.00/gallon. Then the refineries(who get subsidies from taxpayers) reduced inventory on purpose. Why?  To avoid paying taxes on excess inventory. Bastards. Prices went back up and have been climbing since. This happens every year. Next comes the price jump when the refineries have to switch to "summer blend".
 
2014-04-08 03:53:15 PM

Tsar_Bomba1: More likely it's f*cking speculators again...


This x 1000
 
2014-04-08 05:43:36 PM
Inflation
 
2014-04-08 07:40:00 PM

DarkSoulNoHope: Well gee subby, if only we had some sort of viable alternative fuel or fuels to compensate for the high prices and give competition to oil companies. But we would need to take away the subsidies we give those oil companies in order to fund research and infrastructure that could make that happen, but we can't do that in the name of the holy "Job Creators" (blessed be their names). Instead this calls for more tax cuts for the rich and the elimination of subsidized loans for solar panel companies due to just one of them going out of business! (and if one goes out of business, what could happen to the rest of them? I don't know, and you don't wanna know, so lets just get rid of them all!)


Care to list the 'subsidies' that are paid out to 'Big Oil'?

/show your work as well.
 
2014-04-08 08:57:58 PM
dinarvets.com

The answer is no, but  sorry, I couldn't resist.
 
2014-04-08 09:10:31 PM
Demand is up from tourists, snowbirds, spring training fans and spring breakers. And supplies are tight from closures of Caribbean oil refineries and limited shipments from Gulf of Mexico refineries since February.

Damn that Obama for having more tourists, snowbirds, spring breakers, and spring training fans clog up the roads down in Florida.

/Was in FL a few weeks ago
//A lot more tourists now than there were back in 2009
 
2014-04-08 09:19:00 PM
No Europeans in here talking about litres of petrol and how we got it so good?  I figure somewhere between hi-res and low-res is litres?
 
2014-04-08 10:34:20 PM

zepher: DarkSoulNoHope: Well gee subby, if only we had some sort of viable alternative fuel or fuels to compensate for the high prices and give competition to oil companies. But we would need to take away the subsidies we give those oil companies in order to fund research and infrastructure that could make that happen, but we can't do that in the name of the holy "Job Creators" (blessed be their names). Instead this calls for more tax cuts for the rich and the elimination of subsidized loans for solar panel companies due to just one of them going out of business! (and if one goes out of business, what could happen to the rest of them? I don't know, and you don't wanna know, so lets just get rid of them all!)

Care to list the 'subsidies' that are paid out to 'Big Oil'?

/show your work as well.


Sure:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/04/business/04bptax.html?pagewanted=a ll &_r=0

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/02/13/1186915/-Should-Big-Oil-Rec ei ve-Taxpayer-Subsidies

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/03/17/obama-seeks-halt-to-tax-s ub sidies-for-oil-industry/

http://foxnewsinsider.com/2012/03/30/should-oil-companies-continue-t o- receive-subsidies

http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-24833153

Congress Grills Big Oil on Subsidies
 
2014-04-09 10:01:26 AM

DarkSoulNoHope: zepher: DarkSoulNoHope: Well gee subby, if only we had some sort of viable alternative fuel or fuels to compensate for the high prices and give competition to oil companies. But we would need to take away the subsidies we give those oil companies in order to fund research and infrastructure that could make that happen, but we can't do that in the name of the holy "Job Creators" (blessed be their names). Instead this calls for more tax cuts for the rich and the elimination of subsidized loans for solar panel companies due to just one of them going out of business! (and if one goes out of business, what could happen to the rest of them? I don't know, and you don't wanna know, so lets just get rid of them all!)

Care to list the 'subsidies' that are paid out to 'Big Oil'?

/show your work as well.

Sure:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/04/business/04bptax.html?pagewanted=a ll &_r=0

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/02/13/1186915/-Should-Big-Oil-Rec ei ve-Taxpayer-Subsidies

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/03/17/obama-seeks-halt-to-tax-s ub sidies-for-oil-industry/

http://foxnewsinsider.com/2012/03/30/should-oil-companies-continue-t o- receive-subsidies

http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-24833153

Congress Grills Big Oil on Subsidies


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Good job short circuiting the obvious response with some Fox News links.
 
2014-04-09 10:31:25 AM

DarkSoulNoHope: zepher: DarkSoulNoHope: Well gee subby, if only we had some sort of viable alternative fuel or fuels to compensate for the high prices and give competition to oil companies. But we would need to take away the subsidies we give those oil companies in order to fund research and infrastructure that could make that happen, but we can't do that in the name of the holy "Job Creators" (blessed be their names). Instead this calls for more tax cuts for the rich and the elimination of subsidized loans for solar panel companies due to just one of them going out of business! (and if one goes out of business, what could happen to the rest of them? I don't know, and you don't wanna know, so lets just get rid of them all!)

Care to list the 'subsidies' that are paid out to 'Big Oil'?

/show your work as well.

Sure:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/04/business/04bptax.html?pagewanted=a ll &_r=0

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/02/13/1186915/-Should-Big-Oil-Rec ei ve-Taxpayer-Subsidies

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/03/17/obama-seeks-halt-to-tax-s ub sidies-for-oil-industry/

http://foxnewsinsider.com/2012/03/30/should-oil-companies-continue-t o- receive-subsidies

http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-24833153

Congress Grills Big Oil on Subsidies


Sorry, but there is not a single 'subsidy' there.
Being able to write off exploration costs and losses are not subsidies.
Look up the word subsidy if you don't believe me.
I don't care if Fox news used the word, that still doesn't make it true.
You act like Fox is the official mouthpiece of all things from the Right.
Fox using the word should prove that they are not in the pocket of the Right or 'Big Oil' so next time someone claims this to be true I can link your article, right?

How about a source more trustworthy than the Left wing mouthpieces you listed like DailyKocks and NY Times?
Say, Forbes? Not exactly a Right wing mouthpiece.

Just take a gander and look beyond the Left wing talking points.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/davidblackmon/2013/01/02/oil-gas-tax-pro vi sions-are-not-subsidies-for-big-oil/

Allow me to use my dumbass pic.

encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com
 
2014-04-09 11:04:19 AM
Your "trustworthy" link is actually an op-ed piece by a guy who has gotten rich lobbying for more favorable oil policy, while employed by the oil industry for over 30 years. Forgive me if I don't view that as unbiased.

http://www.fticonsulting.com/global2/professionals/david-blackmon.as px


Favorable tax structures and writeoffs for ethanol producers are indeed subsidies.

http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/tax-reform/news/2011/05/05/96 63 /big-oils-misbegotten-tax-gusher/
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-05-19/both-parties-wrong-on-tax-b re aks-for-big-oil-commentary-by-caroline-baum.html

Homestead tax deductions for home owners are subsidies too. Narrowing the definitions and moving the goal posts doesn't change reality.  Bonus points for the laughs I got from you claiming that Fox is indeed fair and balanced.
 
2014-04-09 12:59:44 PM

zepher: Sorry, but there is not a single 'subsidy' there.
Being able to write off exploration costs and losses are not subsidies.


Write offs are tax breaks, and qualify as subsidies by economic dictionary and textbook definitions (which are actually more broad, and include any type of "aid" given to companies by the government, including special consideration and non-monetary assistance).  Quibble all you want, but oil companies net billions off of special government treatment that no other industry gets.

Look up subsidy in an actual topically relevant source or economic textbook, don't just skim the Oxford dictionary.
 
2014-04-09 01:47:43 PM
Gas prices more often than not are tied to the number of refineries available to produce gas in an area.  Older refineries are being closed because they don't meet either state or regional regulations and new refineries are not being built to replace them.  The new refineries are not being built because they are more expensive to build, once again due to state and regional regulations.  This why states like California have higher gas prices.  Lots of gas, but no refineries to process it.  Less gas available means it needs to be trucked in to meet demand.
 
2014-04-09 04:11:45 PM

Khellendros: zepher: Sorry, but there is not a single 'subsidy' there.
Being able to write off exploration costs and losses are not subsidies.

Write offs are tax breaks, and qualify as subsidies by economic dictionary and textbook definitions (which are actually more broad, and include any type of "aid" given to companies by the government, including special consideration and non-monetary assistance).  Quibble all you want, but oil companies net billions off of special government treatment that no other industry gets.

Look up subsidy in an actual topically relevant source or economic textbook, don't just skim the Oxford dictionary.


Then enlighten the class on how these 'Big Oil' subsidies are only available to oil companies and not every other business out there.
If you want to eliminate these that part of the tax code then you'd better be willing to end the same 'subsidies' for green companies as well along with the billions in federal handouts that are given.
 
2014-04-09 04:13:38 PM

Pangea: Your "trustworthy" link is actually an op-ed piece by a guy who has gotten rich lobbying for more favorable oil policy, while employed by the oil industry for over 30 years. Forgive me if I don't view that as unbiased.

http://www.fticonsulting.com/global2/professionals/david-blackmon.as px


Favorable tax structures and writeoffs for ethanol producers are indeed subsidies.

http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/tax-reform/news/2011/05/05/96 63 /big-oils-misbegotten-tax-gusher/
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-05-19/both-parties-wrong-on-tax-b re aks-for-big-oil-commentary-by-caroline-baum.html

Homestead tax deductions for home owners are subsidies too. Narrowing the definitions and moving the goal posts doesn't change reality.  Bonus points for the laughs I got from you claiming that Fox is indeed fair and balanced.


So you counter with two hard left sources?
Notice nothing in your links counters the main points of the fact that every energy company and just about every other company gets the same exact tax breaks.
 
2014-04-09 04:41:57 PM

zepher: Then enlighten the class on how these 'Big Oil' subsidies are only available to oil companies and not every other business out there.
If you want to eliminate these that part of the tax code then you'd better be willing to end the same 'subsidies' for green companies as well along with the billions in federal handouts that are given.


Because they're defined to work for specific industries, and their written into the tax law that way.  They're carefully defined to only apply to specific companies.

Subsidies for green companies have a different purpose - to spur more investment and technology research into alternative energy sources.  These purposes don't exist in large oil companies, and expansion of oil and coal isn't in the nation's long term best interest.

And yes, once the solar/hydro/wind/etc. companies have gotten on their feet and are at least moderately self-sustaining, they should have their subsidies pulled over time.  Until then, it's in our best interest to help fund private interest in new energy portfolios, and direct tax incentives away from non-renewables.
 
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