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2014-04-08 11:06:30 AM  
I hear the Arapahoe National Forest is очень красивый in the Fall.
 
2014-04-08 11:14:43 AM  
i.imgur.com
 
2014-04-08 11:19:50 AM  
The orange ribbon is for the missing person and the yellow one is for their companion.
i1.ytimg.com
 
2014-04-08 11:37:38 AM  
Will they be able to find the black boxes?
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2014-04-08 11:39:04 AM  

BizarreMan: Will they be able to find the black boxes?


There's no reason to bring their girlfriends into it, you racist.
 
2014-04-08 11:45:55 AM  
echo lake sits below Mt Evans, a 14er.  From Echo Lake trailhead, there are a couple hikes of about 10 miles that go to Chicago Lake and loop back, ranging in elevation from about 10,5 to 11,5.
 
2014-04-08 11:48:15 AM  

SlothB77: echo lake sits below Mt Evans, a 14er.  From Echo Lake trailhead, there are a couple hikes of about 10 miles that go to Chicago Lake and loop back, ranging in elevation from about 10,5 to 11,5.


So where is Calumet?
 
2014-04-08 11:59:24 AM  
"They were hiking and were going to 'scale a peak,' " Barwick said.
...
Searchers did not know what type of clothing and equipment the father and son had.




I'm guessing the insufficient kind
 
2014-04-08 12:00:30 PM  

dittybopper: SlothB77: echo lake sits below Mt Evans, a 14er.  From Echo Lake trailhead, there are a couple hikes of about 10 miles that go to Chicago Lake and loop back, ranging in elevation from about 10,5 to 11,5.

So where is Calumet?


In the baking aisle near the flour and sugar.  But that's not important right now.

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2014-04-08 12:12:34 PM  

stpauler: The orange ribbon is for the missing person and the yellow one is for their companion.
[i1.ytimg.com image 320x180]


Those ribbon thingys work like magic to recover people.
 
2014-04-08 12:18:34 PM  
Cases like the Donner Party and the missing father and son in Arapahoe National Forest are spurring calls by global safety groups to require better technology to help rescuers and investigators find hikers in remote areas.

"They would have gotten to the Donner Party within probably a half an hour and many of them would have not been eaten if their wagons had systems pinpointing where they got stuck," said Blake van den Heuvel, a director of business development at DRS Technologies Inc., which makes wooden locator devices.

The obstacles to better and mandatory hike tracking are less about technology than whether improvements are worth the cost, since so few hikers disappear, and about whether to upset a decades-old philosophy that hikers should be able to go off the grid if they want to visit mistresses in South America.

"It is absolutely unacceptable in today's day and age to not know where a hiking party is," Dave Barger, chief executive officer of WagonBlue Trailways Corp., said April 3 in an interview on Bloomberg Television.

The quest for solutions sweeps in global regulators, naturalists and trail mix manufacturers. Depending on the enhancements ordered, from real-time satellite monitoring to black boxes that would float if peed on in a sleeping bag, the cost of improvements could be more than $1, far exceeding the costs of the Arapahoe search so far.

Most hikers now are equipped with emergency locator beacons that don't work in the deep forest, and with data recorders whose battery-powered homing signals will last only about 30 Clif bars.

After Appalachian Trail Hike 447 crashed into a line of trees in 2009, killing all 6 hippies participating, it took almost two weeks to find the wreckage.

The lag time prompted accident investigator to urge the United Nations' International Civil Hiking Organization to study hiker-tracking improvements and to ask people to please stop smoking so much pot in the woods.

"Just move to Colorado already and sit in your basements, you stupid jagoffs," said Sandra Marra, chairwoman of the Appalachian Trail Conservancy.
Chair
 
2014-04-08 12:19:12 PM  
I can never remember which syllable you are supposed to emphasize in Arapaho. Is it aRAPaho or araPAho?
 
2014-04-08 12:20:16 PM  
Do they go "ping"?
Only if they fall off the mountain.
 
2014-04-08 12:22:22 PM  
I'm holding a chicken in the air in soldarity...
 
2014-04-08 12:22:54 PM  

whither_apophis: I'm holding a chicken in the air in soldarity...


So you're choking it?
 
2014-04-08 12:22:56 PM  
Arapahoe?

static.guim.co.uk
 
2014-04-08 12:24:58 PM  

vpb: BizarreMan: Will they be able to find the black boxes?

There's no reason to bring their girlfriends into it, you racist.


Rotflmao!! Awesome reply lol
 
2014-04-08 12:25:11 PM  
R.I.P. lost hikers.
 
2014-04-08 12:25:31 PM  
Smart mom.
 
2014-04-08 12:26:56 PM  

I bet the boy wanted to go to Mexico with his mom and sister all along.


This:


www.bigtravelweb.com

Or this?

www.mountainphotography.com
 
2014-04-08 12:26:57 PM  
Since they stumbled onto a well remembered, hidden grow-farm, it will be Autumn before they lose the buzz from such righteous weed. If they said "Getting high" instead of "'scaling a peak," it would be too much of a giveaway.
 
2014-04-08 12:28:04 PM  

cgraves67: I can never remember which syllable you are supposed to emphasize in Arapaho. Is it aRAPaho or araPAho?


Either way, you said rap three times. You must really like rap.
 
2014-04-08 12:28:25 PM  

JoieD'Zen: Those ribbon thingys work like magic to recover people.


That's why I have a magnetic one on the back of my Hummer!  Look, I did it, we aren't in Iraq and longer, and only have 8 more months to go in A-Stan!
 
2014-04-08 12:31:22 PM  
How clearly marked would the trail be this time of year?  How likely is it they just got lost in the middle of the Rockies and never found their way out?
 
2014-04-08 12:31:42 PM  

stpauler: The orange ribbon is for the missing person and the yellow one is for their companion.


Love you!
 
2014-04-08 12:32:05 PM  

99.998er: I bet the boy wanted to go to Mexico with his mom and sister all along.
This:
[www.bigtravelweb.com image 497x331]
Or this?[www.mountainphotography.com image 700x525]


Not to rain on your parade, but the Sawtooth range is not in CO.
 
2014-04-08 12:33:40 PM  

Swampmaster: JoieD'Zen: Those ribbon thingys work like magic to recover people.

That's why I have a magnetic one on the back of my Hummer!  Look, I did it, we aren't in Iraq and longer, and only have 8 more months to go in A-Stan!


Do you know how I know that you have a small penis??
 
2014-04-08 12:36:27 PM  

stpauler: The orange ribbon is for the missing person and the yellow one is for their companion.
[i1.ytimg.com image 320x180]


Great, now the parks department is going to cut that tree down.
 
2014-04-08 12:38:13 PM  
flash2flash.flashgamesplayer.com

SUPER PIMP!!!! 343 m.p.h.
 
2014-04-08 12:38:33 PM  

bikerbob59: Swampmaster: JoieD'Zen: Those ribbon thingys work like magic to recover people.

That's why I have a magnetic one on the back of my Hummer!  Look, I did it, we aren't in Iraq and longer, and only have 8 more months to go in A-Stan!

Do you know how I know that you have a small penis??


Says the guy with the biker handle....
 
2014-04-08 12:39:04 PM  
China claims to have heard their pings but it could have been Wongs.
 
2014-04-08 12:40:50 PM  

probesport: bikerbob59: Swampmaster: JoieD'Zen: Those ribbon thingys work like magic to recover people.

That's why I have a magnetic one on the back of my Hummer!  Look, I did it, we aren't in Iraq and longer, and only have 8 more months to go in A-Stan!

Do you know how I know that you have a small penis??

Says the guy with the biker handle....


touche'!
 
gja
2014-04-08 12:41:43 PM  

probesport: Arapahoe?

[static.guim.co.uk image 460x276]


Move your bodies, to and fro......

img.fark.net

/not obscure
 
2014-04-08 12:43:05 PM  

FarkingReading: Cases like the Donner Party and the missing father and son in Arapahoe National Forest are spurring calls by global safety groups to require better technology to help rescuers and investigators find hikers in remote areas.

"They would have gotten to the Donner Party within probably a half an hour and many of them would have not been eaten if their wagons had systems pinpointing where they got stuck," said Blake van den Heuvel, a director of business development at DRS Technologies Inc., which makes wooden locator devices.

The obstacles to better and mandatory hike tracking are less about technology than whether improvements are worth the cost, since so few hikers disappear, and about whether to upset a decades-old philosophy that hikers should be able to go off the grid if they want to visit mistresses in South America.

"It is absolutely unacceptable in today's day and age to not know where a hiking party is," Dave Barger, chief executive officer of WagonBlue Trailways Corp., said April 3 in an interview on Bloomberg Television.

The quest for solutions sweeps in global regulators, naturalists and trail mix manufacturers. Depending on the enhancements ordered, from real-time satellite monitoring to black boxes that would float if peed on in a sleeping bag, the cost of improvements could be more than $1, far exceeding the costs of the Arapahoe search so far.

Most hikers now are equipped with emergency locator beacons that don't work in the deep forest, and with data recorders whose battery-powered homing signals will last only about 30 Clif bars.

After Appalachian Trail Hike 447 crashed into a line of trees in 2009, killing all 6 hippies participating, it took almost two weeks to find the wreckage.

The lag time prompted accident investigator to urge the United Nations' International Civil Hiking Organization to study hiker-tracking improvements and to ask people to please stop smoking so much pot in the woods.

"Just move to Colorado already and sit in your bas ...


Oh shiat. My side hurts from laughing
 
2014-04-08 12:43:13 PM  
3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2014-04-08 12:44:27 PM  

dittybopper: SlothB77: echo lake sits below Mt Evans, a 14er.  From Echo Lake trailhead, there are a couple hikes of about 10 miles that go to Chicago Lake and loop back, ranging in elevation from about 10,5 to 11,5.

So where is Calumet?


Is that a subtle Wolverine reference?
 
2014-04-08 12:45:02 PM  
It's amazing how often this happens. Spring in the CO Rockies is really dangerous. March and April are our snowiest months and the weather is very unpredictable. You don't even need precipitation. Just wind alone can cause white out conditions and deposit feet of snow in an hour or two. People come here underestimating the weather and the effects of altitude. The don't have adequate gear, the don't plan for how long it takes to go a mile at altitude, they don't leave a plan with anyone.

If I've learned anything living here it's that you don't fark with the Rockies. Know your shiat, have the right gear, and leave a detailed trip plan with someone. Also, know when to turn back, don't let your ego get in the way.
 
2014-04-08 12:45:50 PM  
Hell, it's still frikkin' Winter up there.
They chose poorly.
 
2014-04-08 12:46:01 PM  

bikerbob59: Swampmaster: JoieD'Zen: Those ribbon thingys work like magic to recover people.

That's why I have a magnetic one on the back of my Hummer!  Look, I did it, we aren't in Iraq and longer, and only have 8 more months to go in A-Stan!

Do you know how I know that you have a small penis??


"Your mom?" Reply in 3..2...1....
 
2014-04-08 12:50:28 PM  

Willie_The_Pimp: It's amazing how often this happens. Spring in the CO Rockies is really dangerous. March and April are our snowiest months and the weather is very unpredictable. You don't even need precipitation. Just wind alone can cause white out conditions and deposit feet of snow in an hour or two. People come here underestimating the weather and the effects of altitude. The don't have adequate gear, the don't plan for how long it takes to go a mile at altitude, they don't leave a plan with anyone.

If I've learned anything living here it's that you don't fark with the Rockies. Know your shiat, have the right gear, and leave a detailed trip plan with someone. Also, know when to turn back, don't let your ego get in the way.


blackberrycreek.typepad.com

'Mountain has got it's own ways pilgrim.'

/can you skin griz?
 
2014-04-08 12:53:00 PM  

Willie_The_Pimp: It's amazing how often this happens. Spring in the CO Rockies is really dangerous. March and April are our snowiest months and the weather is very unpredictable. You don't even need precipitation. Just wind alone can cause white out conditions and deposit feet of snow in an hour or two. People come here underestimating the weather and the effects of altitude. The don't have adequate gear, the don't plan for how long it takes to go a mile at altitude, they don't leave a plan with anyone.

If I've learned anything living here it's that you don't fark with the Rockies. Know your shiat, have the right gear, and leave a detailed trip plan with someone. Also, know when to turn back, don't let your ego get in the way.


Bolded for emphasis.

I'm going to guess a blaze was missed because of the weather.
 
2014-04-08 01:00:34 PM  

drjekel_mrhyde: FarkingReading: Cases like the Donner Party and the missing father and son in Arapahoe National Forest are spurring calls by global safety groups to require better technology to help rescuers and investigators find hikers in remote areas.

"They would have gotten to the Donner Party within probably a half an hour and many of them would have not been eaten if their wagons had systems pinpointing where they got stuck," said Blake van den Heuvel, a director of business development at DRS Technologies Inc., which makes wooden locator devices.

The obstacles to better and mandatory hike tracking are less about technology than whether improvements are worth the cost, since so few hikers disappear, and about whether to upset a decades-old philosophy that hikers should be able to go off the grid if they want to visit mistresses in South America.

"It is absolutely unacceptable in today's day and age to not know where a hiking party is," Dave Barger, chief executive officer of WagonBlue Trailways Corp., said April 3 in an interview on Bloomberg Television.

The quest for solutions sweeps in global regulators, naturalists and trail mix manufacturers. Depending on the enhancements ordered, from real-time satellite monitoring to black boxes that would float if peed on in a sleeping bag, the cost of improvements could be more than $1, far exceeding the costs of the Arapahoe search so far.

Most hikers now are equipped with emergency locator beacons that don't work in the deep forest, and with data recorders whose battery-powered homing signals will last only about 30 Clif bars.

After Appalachian Trail Hike 447 crashed into a line of trees in 2009, killing all 6 hippies participating, it took almost two weeks to find the wreckage.

The lag time prompted accident investigator to urge the United Nations' International Civil Hiking Organization to study hiker-tracking improvements and to ask people to please stop smoking so much pot in the woods.

"Just move to Colorado already and ...


Thanks. I'm a little miffed at my typos, but I was typing pretty fast.
 
2014-04-08 01:00:48 PM  

fastfxr: dittybopper: SlothB77: echo lake sits below Mt Evans, a 14er.  From Echo Lake trailhead, there are a couple hikes of about 10 miles that go to Chicago Lake and loop back, ranging in elevation from about 10,5 to 11,5.

So where is Calumet?

Is that a subtle Wolverine reference?


Wait, you thought that was *SUBTLE*?

No, my titties at the beginning of the thread is subtle.  Well, even then, not all that subtle.
 
2014-04-08 01:03:58 PM  

99.998er: I bet the boy wanted to go to Mexico with his mom and sister all along.
This:
[www.bigtravelweb.com image 497x331]
Or this?[www.mountainphotography.com image 700x525]


I would have chosen the 'grand Tetons'.... as should any red blooded male.
 
2014-04-08 01:07:01 PM  
I'm taking notes in this thread. I love to camp/hike and am moving to Denver in three weeks. Went to Cumberland Gap last year and covered about 17 miles in 3 days, up about 2500 feet (I think, have to look it up later) Had a blast, carried all my supplies on my back and slept in a hammock. Would love to do it a lot more once I move.

That said, I am not afraid to take it easy and over prepare for safety. The wilderness is fun, but I never want to become a lost hiker on the news. Keep pouring advice, people, it could save my life one day.
 
2014-04-08 01:08:08 PM  

Willie_The_Pimp: It's amazing how often this happens. Spring in the CO Rockies is really dangerous. March and April are our snowiest months and the weather is very unpredictable. You don't even need precipitation. Just wind alone can cause white out conditions and deposit feet of snow in an hour or two. People come here underestimating the weather and the effects of altitude. The don't have adequate gear, the don't plan for how long it takes to go a mile at altitude, they don't leave a plan with anyone.

If I've learned anything living here it's that you don't fark with the Rockies. Know your shiat, have the right gear, and leave a detailed trip plan with someone. Also, know when to turn back, don't let your ego get in the way.


Absolutely

And one of these isn't a bad idea either: http://www.findmespot.com/en/index.php?cid=100
Or at least one of these: http://www.amazon.com/BaoFeng-Dual-Band-Improved-Stronger-Enhanced/dp / B00C83AU9S/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1396976750&sr=8-1&keywords=baofeng

Repeater coverage is pretty good here - they could probably hit the Empire station from a north face.
 
2014-04-08 01:08:57 PM  
Lois Einhorn?
 
2014-04-08 01:12:59 PM  

Mentalpatient87: I'm taking notes in this thread. I love to camp/hike and am moving to Denver in three weeks. Went to Cumberland Gap last year and covered about 17 miles in 3 days, up about 2500 feet (I think, have to look it up later) Had a blast, carried all my supplies on my back and slept in a hammock. Would love to do it a lot more once I move.

That said, I am not afraid to take it easy and over prepare for safety. The wilderness is fun, but I never want to become a lost hiker on the news. Keep pouring advice, people, it could save my life one day.


Check out the Colorado Mountain Club www.cmc.org They have a lot of great classes for pretty cheap and it's a fun community.
 
2014-04-08 01:18:27 PM  

Sofa King Smart: 99.998er: I bet the boy wanted to go to Mexico with his mom and sister all along.
This:
[www.bigtravelweb.com image 497x331]
Or this?[www.mountainphotography.com image 700x525]

I would have chosen the 'grand Tetons'.... as should any red blooded male.


Sawtooth range, actually. Although bikerbob already covered that.

That being said, trying to scale a peak before late May is just asking for trouble in the Rockies. Especially the Colorado peaks, the weather is far more unstable than further north or south on the range. Add that to the chance of trails and trailheads being washed out or collapsing from the winter precipitation melting and the chance of both happening because of the crazy precipitation patterns that you often see in early to mid spring, it doesn't matter if you've got the right gear or not. Doing so without and EPIRB is suicidal, plain and simple.

These guys are likely dead, and they owe it to themselves.
 
2014-04-08 01:25:14 PM  
You know how I know you're going to hell, Subby?

/LMAO
 
2014-04-08 01:28:18 PM  

probesport: Arapahoe?

[static.guim.co.uk image 460x276]


www.iloveyourtee.com
 
2014-04-08 01:30:16 PM  
Alright, summer time camping it is..

/damn nature
//you scary
 
2014-04-08 01:32:45 PM  
what's the snow base depth out there now, at ~11,000 feet?
 
2014-04-08 01:34:05 PM  
Have we considered they are walking hunch over to avoid radar?
 
2014-04-08 01:38:22 PM  
 
2014-04-08 01:41:18 PM  

SlothB77: what's the snow base depth out there now, at ~11,000 feet?


Also:  http://www.nohrsc.noaa.gov/nsa/index.html?region=Central_Rockies
 
2014-04-08 01:42:42 PM  

Mentalpatient87: Keep pouring advice, people, it could save my life one day.


Always carry enough gear to make it overnight.  You don't need a tent but an emergency shelter (aka space blanket), extra layers, rain gear and some method for starting a fire are wise things to have.  Know the signs of altitude sickness and just use common sense.  Leave your route with a friend and expected time back.  If you think you might go on a side trip mark that as a potential route on the map.  Don't count on your cell phone working, btw.

Colorado is gorgeous but it can kill you if you get careless.
 
2014-04-08 01:44:39 PM  

LaRoach: Mentalpatient87: Keep pouring advice, people, it could save my life one day.

Always carry enough gear to make it overnight.  You don't need a tent but an emergency shelter (aka space blanket), extra layers, rain gear and some method for starting a fire are wise things to have.  Know the signs of altitude sickness and just use common sense.  Leave your route with a friend and expected time back.  If you think you might go on a side trip mark that as a potential route on the map.  Don't count on your cell phone working, btw.

Colorado is gorgeous but it can kill you if you get careless.


Yep. And know and carry your Ten Essentials
 
2014-04-08 01:47:45 PM  
The part I don't understand: the remote Rockies that these hikers are lost in are all of thirty miles from Denver.

/death by weather understandable
//death by being lost not so much
 
2014-04-08 01:48:56 PM  
I know...let's go scale a peak.  I mean how hard can it be???
 
2014-04-08 01:52:34 PM  

Sgygus: The part I don't understand: the remote Rockies that these hikers are lost in are all of thirty miles from Denver.

/death by weather understandable
//death by being lost not so much


Well, it's pretty easy to get lost in 30 sq miles of rugged mountainous terrain. Also, it's really more like death by exposure due to being lost with inadequate gear.
 
2014-04-08 01:57:38 PM  

Sgygus: The part I don't understand: the remote Rockies that these hikers are lost in are all of thirty miles from Denver.


I don't think people realize that cell phones just don't work that well in mountain terrain.  Throw in a dose of hypothermia (very common this time of year, the weather here is very fickle) and put them down in a valley and it could take years to find them.

Sadly this somewhat common here.  I don't think they ever found this woman:

http://www.dailycamera.com/ci_23580116/family-gathers-remember-lafay et te-hiker-year-after-she
 
2014-04-08 01:58:56 PM  

Amish Tech Support: Have we considered they are walking hunch over to avoid radar?


Also, I heard the dad had a hiking simulator in his living room.

The son didn't have much experience but he once invited two women along on a hike.
 
2014-04-08 02:06:24 PM  

LaRoach: Mentalpatient87: Keep pouring advice, people, it could save my life one day.

Always carry enough gear to make it overnight.  You don't need a tent but an emergency shelter (aka space blanket), extra layers, rain gear and some method for starting a fire are wise things to have.  Know the signs of altitude sickness and just use common sense.  Leave your route with a friend and expected time back.  If you think you might go on a side trip mark that as a potential route on the map.  Don't count on your cell phone working, btw.

Colorado is gorgeous but it can kill you if you get careless.


This is a big one - these guys came from Minnesota where the highest point is about 1000' less then the lowest point in Colorado.  They likely flew in to Denver and drove straight out to the trail head in the neighborhood of 11,000'.  Even if they took a day or so to acclimate to Denver altitude (5000'), it won't matter much.  I know people who've lived at 7000' for years who get sick at 10,000'  And it really hits you if you get dehydrated - you may feel fine stating out, and get hammered once you start drying out.
 
2014-04-08 02:13:30 PM  

SlothB77: echo lake sits below Mt Evans, a 14er.  From Echo Lake trailhead, there are a couple hikes of about 10 miles that go to Chicago Lake and loop back, ranging in elevation from about 10,5 to 11,5.


And this time of year is the perfect time of year to try to bag a 14er, said the guy from flatland.
 
2014-04-08 02:14:20 PM  

blatz514: whither_apophis: I'm holding a chicken in the air in soldarity...

So you're choking it?




Not quite

/summer song warning
 
2014-04-08 02:17:19 PM  

Willie_The_Pimp: Well, it's pretty easy to get lost in 30 sq miles of rugged mountainous terrain.


I'm going to have to disagree with you, Willie, especially in this case.  If you are lost, all you have to do is walk in the easiest direction, downhill.  The area around Mt. Evans is dotted with houses.  Best case scenario is that these two are holed up in some cabin.

/but yes, hypothermia can kill you quickly
 
2014-04-08 02:17:44 PM  

Lamberts Ho Man: LaRoach: Mentalpatient87: Keep pouring advice, people, it could save my life one day.

Always carry enough gear to make it overnight.  You don't need a tent but an emergency shelter (aka space blanket), extra layers, rain gear and some method for starting a fire are wise things to have.  Know the signs of altitude sickness and just use common sense.  Leave your route with a friend and expected time back.  If you think you might go on a side trip mark that as a potential route on the map.  Don't count on your cell phone working, btw.

Colorado is gorgeous but it can kill you if you get careless.

This is a big one - these guys came from Minnesota where the highest point is about 1000' less then the lowest point in Colorado.  They likely flew in to Denver and drove straight out to the trail head in the neighborhood of 11,000'.  Even if they took a day or so to acclimate to Denver altitude (5000'), it won't matter much.  I know people who've lived at 7000' for years who get sick at 10,000'  And it really hits you if you get dehydrated - you may feel fine stating out, and get hammered once you start drying out.


THIS THIS THIS

one of the fun/mean things to do is take flatlanders out drinking the first day off the plane.
 
2014-04-08 02:18:32 PM  

Willie_The_Pimp: LaRoach: Mentalpatient87: Keep pouring advice, people, it could save my life one day.

Always carry enough gear to make it overnight.  You don't need a tent but an emergency shelter (aka space blanket), extra layers, rain gear and some method for starting a fire are wise things to have.  Know the signs of altitude sickness and just use common sense.  Leave your route with a friend and expected time back.  If you think you might go on a side trip mark that as a potential route on the map.  Don't count on your cell phone working, btw.

Colorado is gorgeous but it can kill you if you get careless.

Yep. And know and carry your Ten Essentials


I often get laughed at for it, but I add a Thermarest trail seat to that list.  Sure it's useful for sitting in snowy/wet conditions, but it also works as a splint, a bivy pad if you need to sit out the night, and a mini sled (this last one not so useful, just fun).
 
2014-04-08 02:21:22 PM  

SlothB77: echo lake sits below Mt Evans, a 14er.  From Echo Lake trailhead, there are a couple hikes of about 10 miles that go to Chicago Lake and loop back, ranging in elevation from about 10,5 to 11,5.


How many pings?
 
2014-04-08 02:27:19 PM  

whither_apophis: blatz514: whither_apophis: I'm holding a chicken in the air in soldarity...

So you're choking it?

Not quite

/summer song warning


static.tumblr.com

/I larfed
 
2014-04-08 02:31:44 PM  

SurelyShirley: SlothB77: echo lake sits below Mt Evans, a 14er.  From Echo Lake trailhead, there are a couple hikes of about 10 miles that go to Chicago Lake and loop back, ranging in elevation from about 10,5 to 11,5.

How many pings?


One

encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com
 
2014-04-08 02:33:02 PM  

lostindenver: Lamberts Ho Man: LaRoach: Mentalpatient87: Keep pouring advice, people, it could save my life one day.

Always carry enough gear to make it overnight.  You don't need a tent but an emergency shelter (aka space blanket), extra layers, rain gear and some method for starting a fire are wise things to have.  Know the signs of altitude sickness and just use common sense.  Leave your route with a friend and expected time back.  If you think you might go on a side trip mark that as a potential route on the map.  Don't count on your cell phone working, btw.

Colorado is gorgeous but it can kill you if you get careless.

This is a big one - these guys came from Minnesota where the highest point is about 1000' less then the lowest point in Colorado.  They likely flew in to Denver and drove straight out to the trail head in the neighborhood of 11,000'.  Even if they took a day or so to acclimate to Denver altitude (5000'), it won't matter much.  I know people who've lived at 7000' for years who get sick at 10,000'  And it really hits you if you get dehydrated - you may feel fine stating out, and get hammered once you start drying out.

THIS THIS THIS

one of the fun/mean things to do is take flatlanders out drinking the first day off the plane.


<csb>
My first time skiing in Colorado was on a spring break trip, departing from near sea level.  Went from sea level to about 9500' in about 6 hours.  Being college kids, the first thing everybody wanted to do was go out drinking.  Two of them ended up in the ER that night - stood up from the bar, and hit their head on it on the way down.  Alcohol hits you much faster up there.
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2014-04-08 02:37:02 PM  

Sgygus: Willie_The_Pimp: Well, it's pretty easy to get lost in 30 sq miles of rugged mountainous terrain.

I'm going to have to disagree with you, Willie, especially in this case.  If you are lost, all you have to do is walk in the easiest direction, downhill.  The area around Mt. Evans is dotted with houses.  Best case scenario is that these two are holed up in some cabin.

/but yes, hypothermia can kill you quickly


Yes, it's true that you can follow a drainage and eventually get out of the front range, but it's very disorienting if you're in a whiteout and you could end up in a canyon with no walkable exit. Also, you're assuming that they understood the terrain and the drainages in the front range. Also, I wouldn't exactly say dotted with houses. Yes there are houses throughout that area, but not that many inside the NF, and you could easily miss them. People get lost in the boulder and jeffco mountain parks all the time and those are much less remote than the ANF.
 
2014-04-08 02:39:45 PM  
Good, good. Any advice for bringing along my dog? I was thinking about buying one of those little saddle bag things so she can carry her share...

How about wildlife? Is there any merit to the idea of "marking your territory" with bear mace at your camp site to keep them away? I heard that suggested from someone.
 
2014-04-08 02:39:52 PM  

Lamberts Ho Man: lostindenver: Lamberts Ho Man: LaRoach: Mentalpatient87: Keep pouring advice, people, it could save my life one day.

Always carry enough gear to make it overnight.  You don't need a tent but an emergency shelter (aka space blanket), extra layers, rain gear and some method for starting a fire are wise things to have.  Know the signs of altitude sickness and just use common sense.  Leave your route with a friend and expected time back.  If you think you might go on a side trip mark that as a potential route on the map.  Don't count on your cell phone working, btw.

Colorado is gorgeous but it can kill you if you get careless.

This is a big one - these guys came from Minnesota where the highest point is about 1000' less then the lowest point in Colorado.  They likely flew in to Denver and drove straight out to the trail head in the neighborhood of 11,000'.  Even if they took a day or so to acclimate to Denver altitude (5000'), it won't matter much.  I know people who've lived at 7000' for years who get sick at 10,000'  And it really hits you if you get dehydrated - you may feel fine stating out, and get hammered once you start drying out.

THIS THIS THIS

one of the fun/mean things to do is take flatlanders out drinking the first day off the plane.

<csb>
My first time skiing in Colorado was on a spring break trip, departing from near sea level.  Went from sea level to about 9500' in about 6 hours.  Being college kids, the first thing everybody wanted to do was go out drinking.  Two of them ended up in the ER that night - stood up from the bar, and hit their head on it on the way down.  Alcohol hits you much faster up there.
</csb>


Do not drink at high altitudes.
 
2014-04-08 02:45:18 PM  

JoieD'Zen: Lamberts Ho Man: lostindenver: Lamberts Ho Man: LaRoach: Mentalpatient87: Keep pouring advice, people, it could save my life one day.

Always carry enough gear to make it overnight.  You don't need a tent but an emergency shelter (aka space blanket), extra layers, rain gear and some method for starting a fire are wise things to have.  Know the signs of altitude sickness and just use common sense.  Leave your route with a friend and expected time back.  If you think you might go on a side trip mark that as a potential route on the map.  Don't count on your cell phone working, btw.

Colorado is gorgeous but it can kill you if you get careless.

This is a big one - these guys came from Minnesota where the highest point is about 1000' less then the lowest point in Colorado.  They likely flew in to Denver and drove straight out to the trail head in the neighborhood of 11,000'.  Even if they took a day or so to acclimate to Denver altitude (5000'), it won't matter much.  I know people who've lived at 7000' for years who get sick at 10,000'  And it really hits you if you get dehydrated - you may feel fine stating out, and get hammered once you start drying out.

THIS THIS THIS

one of the fun/mean things to do is take flatlanders out drinking the first day off the plane.

<csb>
My first time skiing in Colorado was on a spring break trip, departing from near sea level.  Went from sea level to about 9500' in about 6 hours.  Being college kids, the first thing everybody wanted to do was go out drinking.  Two of them ended up in the ER that night - stood up from the bar, and hit their head on it on the way down.  Alcohol hits you much faster up there.
</csb>

Do not drink at high altitudes.


Well, to be fair, it is a cheaper night out for the same buzz.
 
2014-04-08 03:02:20 PM  

Mentalpatient87: Is there any merit to the idea of "marking your territory" with bear mace at your camp site to keep them away?


I've honestly never heard of that...  It's a good idea to call the Rangers ahead of your trip to find out what kind of bear activity is going on in the area you plan to be in.  You can get bear vaults to keep your food in (and you should use them).  The usual thing to do is store your food some distance down wind from your campsite (100 yards comes to mind) and also cook away from your site (think a big triangle, food, camp, cook station).  Never put food in your tent as bears and other things that like to chew will happily come after it.

As for Rover just keep in mind that a mountain lion will happily use her as a meal if she gets too far from you.  It's not common but it can happen.  Same is true for children.

Oh yeah, watch out for moose.  Those suckers can be mean!

The most important thing is know what you don't know.  If you're somewhere and start thinking "Heyyyy, I might be getting in over my head here..." trust that instinct and back out.  The trail will still be there next summer and you won't make the news.  I believe REI even has free classes on backpacking and camping to get people started.  Join a backpacking club to hang out with more experienced people.  Take a first aid class, use sunscreen, don't play in traffic... :)
 
2014-04-08 03:12:12 PM  
See if the wife recently bought a giant life insurance policy on them.
 
2014-04-08 03:13:18 PM  

JoieD'Zen: Lamberts Ho Man: lostindenver: Lamberts Ho Man: LaRoach: Mentalpatient87: Keep pouring advice, people, it could save my life one day.

Always carry enough gear to make it overnight.  You don't need a tent but an emergency shelter (aka space blanket), extra layers, rain gear and some method for starting a fire are wise things to have.  Know the signs of altitude sickness and just use common sense.  Leave your route with a friend and expected time back.  If you think you might go on a side trip mark that as a potential route on the map.  Don't count on your cell phone working, btw.

Colorado is gorgeous but it can kill you if you get careless.

This is a big one - these guys came from Minnesota where the highest point is about 1000' less then the lowest point in Colorado.  They likely flew in to Denver and drove straight out to the trail head in the neighborhood of 11,000'.  Even if they took a day or so to acclimate to Denver altitude (5000'), it won't matter much.  I know people who've lived at 7000' for years who get sick at 10,000'  And it really hits you if you get dehydrated - you may feel fine stating out, and get hammered once you start drying out.

THIS THIS THIS

one of the fun/mean things to do is take flatlanders out drinking the first day off the plane.

<csb>
My first time skiing in Colorado was on a spring break trip, departing from near sea level.  Went from sea level to about 9500' in about 6 hours.  Being college kids, the first thing everybody wanted to do was go out drinking.  Two of them ended up in the ER that night - stood up from the bar, and hit their head on it on the way down.  Alcohol hits you much faster up there.
</csb>

Do not drink at high altitudes.


Uh oh, I live at 8,000 feet and am a lush. I also hike to huts above 10,000 feet and really put my liver through its paces there. I still type can OK, though.
 
2014-04-08 03:17:37 PM  

Mentalpatient87: Good, good. Any advice for bringing along my dog? I was thinking about buying one of those little saddle bag things so she can carry her share...

How about wildlife? Is there any merit to the idea of "marking your territory" with bear mace at your camp site to keep them away? I heard that suggested from someone.


That's a bad idea. They tested the theory on a bench in Yellowstone, I think. The video showed bears sniffing the bench and the rubbing all over it like a cat with a new catnip toy. They seemed to really like it.
 
2014-04-08 03:18:51 PM  

Mentalpatient87: Good, good. Any advice for bringing along my dog? I was thinking about buying one of those little saddle bag things so she can carry her share...

How about wildlife? Is there any merit to the idea of "marking your territory" with bear mace at your camp site to keep them away? I heard that suggested from someone.


Well dogs need to acclimate too. And don't just assume that your dog is up for an all day hike up a 14er. Make sure you keep long hikes within their limits. I've had more than a few friends who have had to carry their dog out.

As far as bears go, they are around and you will see them while out on the trail. I'd keep a can of mace but I wouldn't waste it by spraying it around on anything but a bear and I'd want a full can if that happened. Better to practice proper food handling for bear country. If a bear smells you frying up some fresh caught trout, he's not going to care what you sprayed on the trees.
 
2014-04-08 03:47:09 PM  

LaRoach: Sgygus: The part I don't understand: the remote Rockies that these hikers are lost in are all of thirty miles from Denver.

I don't think people realize that cell phones just don't work that well in mountain terrain.


You know what does?

www.anico.hu

www.radioscanner.ru


Ham radio.

Take a Yaesu FT-817nd with you, with the internal battery back, and a simple wire antenna you can throw into the trees, or even support with a couple of hiking sticks a few feet off the ground, and you'll get somebody if you call mayday.

If you put up a low antenna and you use the lowest 4 bands on that radio, you're essentially doing NVIS (Near Vertical Incidence Skywave).   Sending the signal mostly up instead of towards the horizon, and it gets bounced back down.

That does two things for you:  First, it let's you talk to someone despite there being massive mountains between you that would normally block the signal, and second, that limits the area that can hear you to a couple or 300 miles in diameter at most, ie., people who could reasonably know who to contact and get help to you fast.
 
2014-04-08 03:53:57 PM  
Well, if there's one thing I learned last year, hauling my supplies for the weekend on my back, it's that every little bit of weight counts. And a HAM radio looks unduly heavy and not needed for survival as long as I follow the other rules.

/and batteries?
//YOU carry it
 
2014-04-08 03:54:46 PM  
Sorry, hikers, but I LOLed.

We should probably search the Indian Ocean every time someone goes missing, just in case.

Don't worry, if the search parties find something, CNN will let us know.
 
2014-04-08 03:57:56 PM  

dittybopper: You know what does?  Ham radio.


Yep, my trusty VX-5R goes with me anytime I'm in the back country.  My brother and I have a standard plan where if a rescue is ever needed let the authorities know to try the 2 meter band at the top of every hour to try and make contact.
 
2014-04-08 04:03:37 PM  
I mean, how much weight am I looking at, as well as cost, for an emergency backup plan? Is it something you think I honestly NEED? it looks cool, but I don't know if I have the room for it.
 
2014-04-08 04:23:18 PM  

Mentalpatient87: I mean, how much weight am I looking at, as well as cost, for an emergency backup plan? Is it something you think I honestly NEED? it looks cool, but I don't know if I have the room for it.


Ham radio seems a bit much. If I'm that concerned, I'll carry a spot or other satellite locator.
 
2014-04-08 04:25:39 PM  

Mentalpatient87: I mean, how much weight am I looking at, as well as cost, for an emergency backup plan? Is it something you think I honestly NEED? it looks cool, but I don't know if I have the room for it.


An EPIRB weighs less than a pound. A PLB weighs less than half that.

http://www.rei.com/product/843146/acr-electronics-resqlink-406-gps-p er sonal-locator-beacon#specsTab

I wouldn't venture more than a couple miles from a trailhead without one, no matter what time of year. The Rockies have some very wild weather, the reason the CO foothills and plains are an arid desert is because the Rockies usually do a pretty good job of soaking up the precipitation from weather headed east. I've been in rainstorms that produced rainfall so heavy that it would crush a tent under the weight of the water. Mudslides and rock slides are common. Not to mention other various threats to your health, old mineshafts, animals, mentally disturbed vagrants and drug addicts, poachers, you name it. Hell I don't even venture into NF land without at least a sidearm with some snake shot loaded, usually the first two rounds and the rest loaded with ball to punch through thick hide if the loud noise doesn't scare them off. And a few tracer rounds in pocket to serve as flares.

The Rockies are beautiful don't get me wrong, but if you're going off and hiking about outside of well established camp grounds and trails you need to be well prepared. The general rule of thumb is if there isn't a paved parking lot, you're pretty much on your own with no help inbound for at least 4-6 hours after you pop your beacon. The further west you go, add 3 hours for every half hour driving down I-70 away from the "tourist traps." Places like Deer Lake or Mirror Lake? You're in for a 24 hour wait before rescue teams arrive. And there is a LOT that can happen to you to put you in a situation to need rescue.
 
2014-04-08 04:29:34 PM  

Mentalpatient87: I mean, how much weight am I looking at, as well as cost, for an emergency backup plan? Is it something you think I honestly NEED? it looks cool, but I don't know if I have the room for it.


That Yaesu is a relatively expensive radio - in the neighborhood of $600 I think.  And you're dependent on somebody happening to be listening/scanning on your HF frequency within the footprint of your bounce.  I haven't done much HF, so I don't really know how likely that is.  But it will definitely get out of places that a 2 meter radio won't.

On the other hand, a cheap handheld 2M radio and 1/4 wave whip can be had for < $50 and I've been pretty surprised what we've been able to hit with those.  And 2M repeaters very often have somebody listening to them, even if they aren't actively talking.  But you won't have repeater coverage everywhere, and a mountain or hill between you and the repeater can easily cut you off.  Did I mention they're cheap?

The satellite EPIRB units like the SPOT I linked to earlier will get out almost anywhere and will relay your message and GPS coordinates to the relevant local authorities.  They're somewhere between the 2M radios and the Yaesu (which is very much on my "want" list) in terms of initial cost and require an annual subscription.  The Ham radios also require a certain level of experience and knowledge to operate effectively, while the EPIRB can be as simple as basically a panic button.

You need to assess your need based on your experience and the area you'll be travelling in.
 
2014-04-08 04:34:24 PM  

Mentalpatient87: Is it something you think I honestly NEED?


Now that we've driven you into a panic... :P  It's all down to common sense.  If I'm in an area that's well travelled I don't worry about it too much.  Go do Mt. Bierstadt in the summer and it's practically a highway up there.  I personally carry a small hand held radio most of the time but I'm happy to say I never needed it.  When I do patrols (fun fact, you can be a volunteer "citizen ranger" in Boulder County) I always carry my radio just in case.  Again, never needed it but I have handed out first aid supplies and water more than once.

Earlier in the thread someone linked to the Ten Essentials. Start with those and work forward.  You like winter skiing in the back country?  Learn to use an avy probe and beacon.  You like going deep into Weminuche?  Consider a SPOT or ELT beacon and/or handheld ham radio.  It all depends on what you want to do and how far your skills and budget will take you.  The good news is CO is absolutely filled with people who do this all the time so there's no lack of opinions and resources.
 
2014-04-08 04:47:02 PM  

Erix: Willie_The_Pimp: LaRoach: Mentalpatient87: Keep pouring advice, people, it could save my life one day.

Always carry enough gear to make it overnight.  You don't need a tent but an emergency shelter (aka space blanket), extra layers, rain gear and some method for starting a fire are wise things to have.  Know the signs of altitude sickness and just use common sense.  Leave your route with a friend and expected time back.  If you think you might go on a side trip mark that as a potential route on the map.  Don't count on your cell phone working, btw.

Colorado is gorgeous but it can kill you if you get careless.

Yep. And know and carry your Ten Essentials

I often get laughed at for it, but I add a Thermarest trail seat to that list.  Sure it's useful for sitting in snowy/wet conditions, but it also works as a splint, a bivy pad if you need to sit out the night, and a mini sled (this last one not so useful, just fun).


I always carry a sit pad. It's super light and it's amazing how much warmer you stay just by sitting on that instead of the ground.
 
2014-04-08 04:52:46 PM  
Well, I have the ten essentials covered, at least. I read the list and was thinking "who the hell goes out without this stuff?"
 
2014-04-08 04:52:50 PM  

LaRoach: Mentalpatient87: Is it something you think I honestly NEED?

Now that we've driven you into a panic... :P  It's all down to common sense.  If I'm in an area that's well travelled I don't worry about it too much.  Go do Mt. Bierstadt in the summer and it's practically a highway up there.  I personally carry a small hand held radio most of the time but I'm happy to say I never needed it.  When I do patrols (fun fact, you can be a volunteer "citizen ranger" in Boulder County) I always carry my radio just in case.  Again, never needed it but I have handed out first aid supplies and water more than once.

Earlier in the thread someone linked to the Ten Essentials. Start with those and work forward.  You like winter skiing in the back country?  Learn to use an avy probe and beacon.  You like going deep into Weminuche?  Consider a SPOT or ELT beacon and/or handheld ham radio.  It all depends on what you want to do and how far your skills and budget will take you.  The good news is CO is absolutely filled with people who do this all the time so there's no lack of opinions and resources.


Another thing that's often overlooked. Get a map and compass and know how to use them. Sure, a gps is easier, but there ain't no batteries to run out on my compass. You can get USGS topographical quads for just about anywhere you're going to be in the US and so long as you know how to read a topo and shoot a bearing you can get yourself un-lost.
 
2014-04-08 04:59:24 PM  

Mentalpatient87: Well, I have the ten essentials covered, at least. I read the list and was thinking "who the hell goes out without this stuff?"


You'd be amazed. The best is when you're coming down off a 14'er around 11:30am to beat the thunderstorm that is absolutely going to hit in about an hour and you see people walking up in shorts and a tee with a quart of water and nothing else.

Speaking of thunderstorms, you are practically guaranteed to have lightning in the afternoon in the high country from June-August. You should always be below treeline before noon, 1 at the latest.
 
2014-04-08 05:12:22 PM  

Willie_The_Pimp: Mentalpatient87: Well, I have the ten essentials covered, at least. I read the list and was thinking "who the hell goes out without this stuff?"

You'd be amazed. The best is when you're coming down off a 14'er around 11:30am to beat the thunderstorm that is absolutely going to hit in about an hour and you see people walking up in shorts and a tee with a quart of water and nothing else.

Speaking of thunderstorms, you are practically guaranteed to have lightning in the afternoon in the high country from June-August. You should always be below treeline before noon, 1 at the latest.


Being on a well worn trail when you're about to have torrential downpours is a pretty fun way to get washed off a cliff, that's for sure.

And I tend to hike to well out of the way lakes to camp overnight for meteor showers, a few of them are above the treeline. I'll have to keep that second part in mind. Although I live in MN now, so it might be a moot point.
 
2014-04-08 05:19:43 PM  
Kind of an odd time to hike Echo Lake. Snowshoe, maybe. XCountry, maybe. Hike?

media.thedenverchannel.com
 
2014-04-08 06:45:18 PM  

Willie_The_Pimp: It's amazing how often this happens. Spring in the CO Rockies is really dangerous. March and April are our snowiest months and the weather is very unpredictable. You don't even need precipitation. Just wind alone can cause white out conditions and deposit feet of snow in an hour or two. People come here underestimating the weather and the effects of altitude. The don't have adequate gear, the don't plan for how long it takes to go a mile at altitude, they don't leave a plan with anyone.

If I've learned anything living here it's that you don't fark with the Rockies. Know your shiat, have the right gear, and leave a detailed trip plan with someone. Also, know when to turn back, don't let your ego get in the way.


Mucho This-o.
 
2014-04-08 06:52:23 PM  
Thanks for the advice everyone. I'll be certain to take it slow. It'll probably be a year or two after I move before I can really get the time to rough it. No hurries.
 
2014-04-08 06:52:48 PM  

Mentalpatient87: Keep pouring advice, people, it could save my life one day.


OK, here's some.  Get REAL good with map and compass.  Leave the GPS in the car where it won't get you killed if it gets wet, dropped, or too cold for the batteries to function.  Hiked off a glacier in a sub-zero total whiteout some years ago with M&P.

Plus, map and compass is (I think) a lot of fun,

As to the guy and his son--sad.  When I read "from out of state" and "going to scale a peak"...blood ran a bit cold for a second or two.  I have a feeling they really didn't have the ability to do a risk assessment of what they were going to do.  Hope I'm wrong.
 
2014-04-08 07:11:14 PM  

Zul the Magnificent: M&P


M&C.

ftfm
 
2014-04-08 07:34:43 PM  

Mentalpatient87: Good, good. Any advice for bringing along my dog? I was thinking about buying one of those little saddle bag things so she can carry her share...

How about wildlife? Is there any merit to the idea of "marking your territory" with bear mace at your camp site to keep them away? I heard that suggested from someone.


Get the Ruff Wear (?) hiking boots for your dog. Yes, I'm serious. There was a very sad story a year or two ago about a guy who took his dog hiking up Mt Evans without the boots. Dog's pads got torn up pretty badly and couldn't hike anymore. Bad weather was moving in and he (felt like he) had to leave the dog. Understandable, but then the guy couldn't figure out how to recuse the dog himself, so he called local authorities who were no help, He posted some signs in the area, and then that was about all he did. Some other hikers found the dog and organized a rescue via an online hiking community. Dog was rescued, guy was charged with some kind of crime - don't think it was animal cruelty, but something similar - and had the dog taken from him. The mountain trails are too rocky for unprotected feet.

And yes, the bear spray thing is BS.
 
2014-04-08 07:42:21 PM  

cgraves67: I can never remember which syllable you are supposed to emphasize in Arapaho. Is it aRAPaho or araPAho?


I don't know the real Native American pronunciation, but the locals pronounce it aRAPaho.
 
2014-04-08 09:18:08 PM  
Boots:
You can skimp out on some gear and equipment and get by but always buy the best boots you can afford from a top brand outdoor supplier (Merrell, North Face, Tewa, Keen, etc.).  If possible get an expert fitting from a knowledgeable salesperson, and NEVER hike in brand new boots - one month breaking-in period at a minimum. And for Pete's sake get the right kind of footwear for the conditions, I.E. don't get trail runners for rocky, uneven terrain, unless you enjoy falling down a lot.

At the other extreme, because the trails are so well-worn and maintained, walking shoes are a good choice for lots of popular National Parks trails. Heck, the Scouts use walking shoes in the back country at Philmont in New Mexico because the trails are so well-worn. Know what kind of trail you are hiking and get the footwear to match.

Water:
Never rely entirely on back country water sources unless logistics or distance leave you no choice. Always carry supplemental water and a filter bottle and/or tablets. You never know when a body of water might be undergoing an indefinite microbial contamination. And all the natural water in the world won't help you if your back is broken from a fall and you can't get to it. You still need to hydrate while you wait for rescue.

Trekking poles:
A good sturdy one is essential, two are even better. Walking on steep mountains trails eventually it WILL prevent you from falling over, count on it. Besides that, they're good for: using as tent poles, as emergency splints, for creating (along with some rope) a makeshift litter, as a weapon to fight off animals or other hikers, and for roughly testing the depth of rivers and streams. A good trekking pole in the back country is a hell of a multi-tasker.

Also, trail mix.
 
2014-04-09 05:19:26 AM  

99.998er: I bet the boy wanted to go to Mexico with his mom and sister all along.
This:
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Or this?[www.mountainphotography.com image 700x525]


At 10,000 feet, no one can hear her scream in ecstacy. Except you.

Remember that.
 
2014-04-09 07:45:44 AM  

Lamberts Ho Man: Mentalpatient87: I mean, how much weight am I looking at, as well as cost, for an emergency backup plan? Is it something you think I honestly NEED? it looks cool, but I don't know if I have the room for it.

That Yaesu is a relatively expensive radio - in the neighborhood of $600 I think.  And you're dependent on somebody happening to be listening/scanning on your HF frequency within the footprint of your bounce.  I haven't done much HF, so I don't really know how likely that is.  But it will definitely get out of places that a 2 meter radio won't.

On the other hand, a cheap handheld 2M radio and 1/4 wave whip can be had for < $50 and I've been pretty surprised what we've been able to hit with those.  And 2M repeaters very often have somebody listening to them, even if they aren't actively talking.  But you won't have repeater coverage everywhere, and a mountain or hill between you and the repeater can easily cut you off.  Did I mention they're cheap?

The satellite EPIRB units like the SPOT I linked to earlier will get out almost anywhere and will relay your message and GPS coordinates to the relevant local authorities.  They're somewhere between the 2M radios and the Yaesu (which is very much on my "want" list) in terms of initial cost and require an annual subscription.  The Ham radios also require a certain level of experience and knowledge to operate effectively, while the EPIRB can be as simple as basically a panic button.

You need to assess your need based on your experience and the area you'll be travelling in.


This is Fark, stop being reasonable.

As for the "you're dependent on somebody happening to be listening/scanning on your HF frequency within the footprint of your bounce.", it's actually very, very likely.

HF is as popular as ever.  The only time you wouldn't have someone listening is if you chose poorly band-wise (you'll generally want to use 40 meters during the day, 75 meters at night), or in the unlikely event of a CME farking up the HF bands.

But the *NICE* thing about a radio like the FT-817 is that it does it all:  It covers HF, VHF, and UHF with SSB, CW, and FM modes.  And if you're in the habit of carrying around a small computing device, you can even have it send and receive digital data.

Hell, if you go ahead and use the WinLink2000 system, you can send and receive e-mails from pretty much anywhere in the World, and it doesn't matter how far away you are from the gateway:  Your e-mail will get to the recipient even if they aren't a ham radio operator.

I regularly send and receive e-mails (with attachments) via that system, using a 40+ year old tube radio and this laptop I'm typing on.  When I do happen to get a small, portable HF rig that can do SSB*, I'll put the RMS Express client on the netbook and use that.  Plus, you can use WinLink to beacon your position:

http://www.winlink.org/userPositions

See all those ones in the ocean?  Those are sailors using the system to report their positions.


*The only rig I have that's portable is an old Heathkit HW-8 low power rig.  It can receive single sideband, but only transmits Morse code.
 
2014-04-09 08:15:28 AM  

RockyMtnGirl: Get the Ruff Wear (?) hiking boots for your dog. Yes, I'm serious.


I'm not doubting you. Her pads got raw and crappy this winter from just running around the snow and cold in Indiana. I'll be getting those boots for her to just wear to go take a poop every day.

RockyMtnGirl: and he (felt like he) had to leave the dog.


Couldn't do it. You'd read about me being found dead on the trail of exhaustion with the dog still on my shoulders... Thus, I'll make damn sure she can walk her own self out instead.

Texas Gabe: You can skimp out on some gear and equipment and get by but always buy the best boots you can afford from a top brand outdoor supplier (Merrell, North Face, Tewa, Keen, etc.).


Timberland okay? I did that Cumberland Gap hike in some crappy sneakers. That convinced me to go out and spend a hundred bucks on some boots. Talked to the guy at Gander Mtn, he said he'd been hiking and climbing since the 70s so I listen to him. Got the boots, some nice thick socks to go with. Even broke them in already.

Texas Gabe: Never rely entirely on back country water sources


Nope. Half the weight in my pack was just making sure we had enough water for the whole trip. I've watched Bear Grylls drink enough pee, thanks.

Texas Gabe: Trekking poles


On the list, trust me. I saw someone with those last year and was pretty jealous.

How about a bunch of pictures from my trip?
Trails
Rocky trails
White Rocks Overlook
Misty Forest (it rained quite a bit day 2, the fog stayed with us until we left)
The Sand Cave (HUGE! picture doesn't do it justice)
Martin's Fork Cabin (panorama mode)
Hensley Settlement (that's a private residence there, according to the sign)

Again, thank you all for your advice. I'm feeling like I'm getting a good perspective on what I'll be up against. Still intending to take it easy.
 
2014-04-09 09:00:06 AM  
BTW, it used to be that there were several APRS-enabled ham radio satellites, and a small radio like a Yaesu VX-8 series handheld could beacon your GPS position to them (GPS is built-in to the radio), and they would retransmit that position to be picked up by the numerous APRS to internet gateways..  Unfortunately, there is only one that I know of that is still doing that, the International Space Station, and it's not always on.

Still, a radio like that set to beacon your position every half-hour or so would be quite useful to anyone looking for you.  Saves them the time and effort of having to look for you, they just sent up a plane with an appropriate receiver and a computer of some sort (even a tablet or smartphone:   http://aprsdroid.org/  https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/pocketpacket /id336500866?mt=8 ) and by virtue of your height above ground (say, 4,000 feet above local terrain), you'd be able to hear such a packet from at least 1.4*sqr(4000) = ~88 miles away, assuming there isn't a mountain blocking the view and you aren't getting some knife-edge diffraction.
 
2014-04-09 10:18:52 AM  

dittybopper: BTW, it used to be that there were several APRS-enabled ham radio satellites, and a small radio like a Yaesu VX-8 series handheld could beacon your GPS position to them (GPS is built-in to the radio), and they would retransmit that position to be picked up by the numerous APRS to internet gateways..  Unfortunately, there is only one that I know of that is still doing that, the International Space Station, and it's not always on.

Still, a radio like that set to beacon your position every half-hour or so would be quite useful to anyone looking for you.  Saves them the time and effort of having to look for you, they just sent up a plane with an appropriate receiver and a computer of some sort (even a tablet or smartphone:   http://aprsdroid.org/  https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/pocketpacket /id336500866?mt=8 ) and by virtue of your height above ground (say, 4,000 feet above local terrain), you'd be able to hear such a packet from at least 1.4*sqr(4000) = ~88 miles away, assuming there isn't a mountain blocking the view and you aren't getting some knife-edge diffraction.


Thanks - Interesting stuff.  I really want to get further into the ham stuff, just to many hobbies not enough time.  Mostly use it as a glorified high power CB for vehicle based back country stuff right now.  One of the guys in our club has a nice APRS setup.
 
2014-04-09 10:55:15 AM  

Lamberts Ho Man: Thanks - Interesting stuff.  I really want to get further into the ham stuff, just to many hobbies not enough time.  Mostly use it as a glorified high power CB for vehicle based back country stuff right now.  One of the guys in our club has a nice APRS setup.


It doesn't take all that much.  You might want to look into HF mobile:  Slap a hamstick on the jeep, and use any old, cheap HF rig you can get, and bingo, you've got communications over hundreds or thousands of miles.  You can still do the NVIS thing by angling the hamstick so it's mostly horizontal (less than 45 degrees).  If I were to pick a single HF band for that sort of thing (and hamsticks are only good for one band, but they're cheap), I'd go with 40 meters.

A good used radio for that sort of thing is the Ten-Tec Scout:  50 watts output, very simple front panel with a minimum of controls, and you change bands with plug-in modules, but pretty much any used or new HF radio will work.
 
2014-04-09 10:58:58 AM  
Thanks - Interesting stuff.  I really want to get further into the ham stuff, just to many hobbies not enough time.  Mostly use it as a glorified high power CB for vehicle based back country stuff right now.  One of the guys in our club has a nice APRS setup.

BTW, favorited as a ham for the next FARK QSO PARTY.
 
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