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2014-04-08 10:16:04 AM
Full report:  http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/early/2014/04/02/peds.2 0 13-3664.full.pdf+html

It has nothing to do with 'fatness' per se but some underlying condition related to weight. For example, environmental toxins are stored in fatty tissues and obesity is probably linked to poor diet and thus intake of processed foods, chemicals, and so on, so the more toxins you have in your system the more predisposed to genetic mutations which could be a factor in carrying it to the child.

Eggs are relatively protected because they don't change much, however sperm cells however are not as protected, which might explain why maternal obesity isn't a factor.

This wouldn't surprise me too much, there have been reports that women exposed to air pollution are more at risk of having an autistic child.
 
2014-04-08 10:22:01 AM
Huh. And here I thought it was because of increased pre-frontal neuronal density during intrauterine brain development.

Damn you, Big Neuroscience!
 
2014-04-08 10:24:19 AM
i.imgur.com
 
2014-04-08 10:24:57 AM

bdub77: Full report:  http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/early/2014/04/02/peds.2 0 13-3664.full.pdf+html


This wouldn't surprise me too much, there have been reports that women exposed to air pollution are more at risk of having an autistic child.


That clears that up for me. I was having a hard time with a correlation between simply body fat quantity and sperm that can pass faulty genes along.

Based on air pollution, I guess we're going to see major spikes in autism in China and SE Asia, based on the massive construction and manufacturing booms that are fairly unregulated.
 
2014-04-08 10:26:42 AM
media.npr.org

" My kids aren't autistic.....they're just retarded."
 
2014-04-08 10:27:14 AM
Sex during pregnancy with fat dad on top = fetal brain damage?
Perhaps no.
 
2014-04-08 10:27:26 AM
If only Hollywood would start a public service campaign telling men of baby-making age not to be fat.
 
2014-04-08 10:30:30 AM
My wife teaches autistic kids.  Her observation (which she will admit is completely unscientific) is that she sees more of them coming from parents who were drug/alcohol burnouts in their younger days and from older parents.
 
2014-04-08 10:31:33 AM

lostcat: bdub77: Full report:  http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/early/2014/04/02/peds.2 0 13-3664.full.pdf+html


This wouldn't surprise me too much, there have been reports that women exposed to air pollution are more at risk of having an autistic child.

That clears that up for me. I was having a hard time with a correlation between simply body fat quantity and sperm that can pass faulty genes along.

Based on air pollution, I guess we're going to see major spikes in autism in China and SE Asia, based on the massive construction and manufacturing booms that are fairly unregulated.


I'm making at best a semi-educated guess, please don't assume I know anything. The article does say the following though:

Another possible mode of risk transmission is through epigenetic alterations
caused by paternal obesity, for example, obesity-induced changes in DNA methylation
or other mechanisms regulating gene expression. It is still largely unknown
whether the epigenetic features of human germline cells are affected by
obesity or other environmental exposures, but it has been demonstrated
that children of obese fathers display changes in the expression of genes
regulating early growth.
 
2014-04-08 10:32:37 AM
Well if there's anything I learned from TV it's that's fat dudes always have improbably attractive wives.
 
2014-04-08 10:48:48 AM

Rev. Skarekroe: My wife teaches autistic kids.  Her observation (which she will admit is completely unscientific) is that she sees more of them coming from parents who were drug/alcohol burnouts in their younger days and from older parents.


Goes to our personal experience as well.  Of all the couples we know only one has an autistic child, and the father was a burn-out for years when we were younger.  You name the drug, and he did it to excess.  Weed, Coke, Mushrooms, Hash, everything short of Heroin.  Got himself cleaned up to the point where a woman was willing to have him by his late 20s.  Couple years later, they had a kid.  What a mess.
 
2014-04-08 10:52:03 AM
In the interest of helping people make informed decisions, I feel I should post a link to howdovaccinescauseautism.com.
They give a very clear summary of all existing research.
 
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2014-04-08 10:52:15 AM

Rev. Skarekroe: My wife teaches autistic kids.  Her observation (which she will admit is completely unscientific) is that she sees more of them coming from parents who were drug/alcohol burnouts in their younger days and from older parents.


Well shiat. I'm a permafried burnout. But, hey, eminem's kid, Haley Jade turned out alright I think?
 
2014-04-08 10:55:25 AM

hardinparamedic: Huh. And here I thought it was because of increased pre-frontal neuronal density during intrauterine brain development.

Damn you, Big Neuroscience!


Yes, I sat on babby's head and now he's Sir Flappy von Autiz.
 
2014-04-08 10:58:54 AM

AllYourFarkAreBelongToMe: Rev. Skarekroe: My wife teaches autistic kids.  Her observation (which she will admit is completely unscientific) is that she sees more of them coming from parents who were drug/alcohol burnouts in their younger days and from older parents.

Goes to our personal experience as well.  Of all the couples we know only one has an autistic child, and the father was a burn-out for years when we were younger.  You name the drug, and he did it to excess.  Weed, Coke, Mushrooms, Hash, everything short of Heroin.  Got himself cleaned up to the point where a woman was willing to have him by his late 20s.  Couple years later, they had a kid.  What a mess.


If it could be smoked, shot, snorted, or slugged, my biological father was into it. Huuuuge drug problem he was fairly successful at hiding for a while.  Had my brother in his 40's, me in his 50's.  Both of us are autistic.  I always figured it was age and the fact that his side has a lot of mental disorders, but his massive drug problems could certainly have been part of it.  Interesting!
 
2014-04-08 11:05:43 AM
This could be true, both our sons are skinny and their kids are normal.
 
2014-04-08 11:13:34 AM

madanimalscientist: AllYourFarkAreBelongToMe: Rev. Skarekroe: My wife teaches autistic kids.  Her observation (which she will admit is completely unscientific) is that she sees more of them coming from parents who were drug/alcohol burnouts in their younger days and from older parents.

Goes to our personal experience as well.  Of all the couples we know only one has an autistic child, and the father was a burn-out for years when we were younger.  You name the drug, and he did it to excess.  Weed, Coke, Mushrooms, Hash, everything short of Heroin.  Got himself cleaned up to the point where a woman was willing to have him by his late 20s.  Couple years later, they had a kid.  What a mess.

If it could be smoked, shot, snorted, or slugged, my biological father was into it. Huuuuge drug problem he was fairly successful at hiding for a while.  Had my brother in his 40's, me in his 50's.  Both of us are autistic.  I always figured it was age and the fact that his side has a lot of mental disorders, but his massive drug problems could certainly have been part of it.  Interesting!


I smell a vegas trip.
 
2014-04-08 11:16:46 AM
Let's see...

I was very lean when my daughter was born, since then, I became wider as my bone and muscle structure matured during my thirties and simply became a bigger person, but not really anything to do with fat.

I did have a few years that I had a few pounds extra, and still do, but never nowhere close to being fat or obese.

Guess I'm the exception...

But then again, I met a LOT of parents from my daughter's class (specialized for autistic children), a good dozen or two. I cannot recall any of them being overweight, so I guess they were all exceptions too...

*sigh*
 
2014-04-08 11:21:04 AM
I should maybe mention that on the mother's side (my ex), she is paranoid schizophrenic, and most of her side of the family are similar, with many autistic ones too.

Then again, on my side, my siblings all appear to have mental defects too.

But it's totally fat dads. yeah .. I'm sold.

/my kids never stood a chance I guess
/yep, if I knew then what I know now
 
2014-04-08 11:22:21 AM
HE'S JUST BIG BONED! AND HE COULD BEAT UP YOUR DAD! (if he had a bat...)
 
2014-04-08 11:22:23 AM
i wonder if it could have anything to do with half the adult population on some sort of meds for depression or stress.
Nah, couldn't be.
 
2014-04-08 11:27:30 AM
People actually think vaccines cause autism? What idiots. It's the fluoride and chlorine in the tapwater, of course. Duh.
 
2014-04-08 11:28:46 AM
Irritable Bowel Syndrome

Connection to Autism

Acetylcholine

But then, the science is settled, so f*ck it .. ask Galileo how much fun it is to buck the common crowd of authorities ..

Dr. Mercola
 
2014-04-08 11:36:09 AM
Autism is genetic. Husband is as skinny as a rail. We were young and healthy when we had our boys. No drugs, no alcohol. Both sons are autistic. You can trace the autism back in both sides of our family for generations. All kinds of social nuttiness.
 
2014-04-08 11:38:17 AM

untaken_name: People actually think vaccines cause autism? What idiots. It's the fluoride and chlorine in the tapwater, of course. Duh.


They also believe in chemtrails, the theory of atlantis and the loch ness monster.  Basically if it involves a paycheck, they'll believe anything you say
 
2014-04-08 11:39:23 AM

daisiem: Autism is genetic. Husband is as skinny as a rail. We were young and healthy when we had our boys. No drugs, no alcohol. Both sons are autistic. You can trace the autism back in both sides of our family for generations. All kinds of social nuttiness.


My nephew is autistic and both mom and dad were practically teatotallers (they'd have at most like a margarita or wine cooler).  Dad was rail thin too.  I don't know of any autism per se on either side but social awkwardness definitely.
 
2014-04-08 11:42:24 AM

Smeggy Smurf: untaken_name: People actually think vaccines cause autism? What idiots. It's the fluoride and chlorine in the tapwater, of course. Duh.

They also believe in chemtrails, the theory of atlantis and the loch ness monster.  Basically if it involves a paycheck, they'll believe anything you say


So they're normal? I mean, we can dicker on the amount required, but isn't that something that most of us would do, assuming the numbers lined up? We'd only have to publicly espouse whatever it was, after all.
 
2014-04-08 11:44:41 AM
Wouldn't it be great if they found a cure for autism?  Wouldn't it be even better if the cure was a vaccine?

Anti-vaxxer heads would explode.  And that would make the world a better place.
 
2014-04-08 11:44:56 AM

Clemkadidlefark: Irritable Bowel Syndrome

Connection to Autism

Acetylcholine

But then, the science is settled, so f*ck it .. ask Galileo how much fun it is to buck the common crowd of authorities ..

Dr. Mercola


Anecdotal evidence: my nephew has had drastic improvements over the last few years due both to behavioral therapy and strict diet and supplements.  He has leaky gut and a bunch of other digestive issues.  Once my sister started helping get that stuff cleared up his behavior improved markedly (as in, going from non-verbal to Mr. Talky Jokeman).  When he goes to his dad's and gets food he's allergic to or just not supposed to have it wrecks his digestion and he has lots of meltdowns when he comes back.  The potential GI link to autism I think is the most promising avenue that we currently know about.

/sis is also an anti-vaxxer
//I'm trying so hard on that one
 
2014-04-08 11:45:29 AM

Smeggy Smurf: untaken_name: People actually think vaccines cause autism? What idiots. It's the fluoride and chlorine in the tapwater, of course. Duh.

They also believe in chemtrails, the theory of atlantis and the loch ness monster.  Basically if it involves a paycheck, they'll believe anything you say


upload.wikimedia.org

Go on..
 
2014-04-08 11:46:58 AM
Mercola?

-really-?
 
2014-04-08 11:47:37 AM

Carn: daisiem: Autism is genetic. Husband is as skinny as a rail. We were young and healthy when we had our boys. No drugs, no alcohol. Both sons are autistic. You can trace the autism back in both sides of our family for generations. All kinds of social nuttiness.

My nephew is autistic and both mom and dad were practically teatotallers (they'd have at most like a margarita or wine cooler).  Dad was rail thin too.  I don't know of any autism per se on either side but social awkwardness definitely.


I think it's genetic predisposition combined with genetic abnormalities related to chromosomal damage from toxins. I think much less the latter though, I also think autism is more commonly diagnosed than before.

On the external cause side, there's a link between maternal age and autism and between environmental toxins and autism. There's a link between obesity in men and autism. There's a link between air pollution and autism. I haven't seen anything specific to drug use other than some autistic behavior in kids whose parents used coke.

But consider:
- There has been a steady rise in obesity rates (not a cause in itself exactly)
- There is a higher prevalence of drug use
- There is greater exposure to environmental toxins, in food, drink, air, and other (pesticides and other lawn chemicals)
- Parents are having kids later in life

These effects are also interconnected. For example, increased weight means a greater likelihood of exposure to food and drink toxins. Weight increases with age and additionally there is a greater buildup of chromosomal damage with age.

The anti-vaxxers can go suck on a bag of dicks though.
 
2014-04-08 11:49:21 AM

brobdiggy: Wouldn't it be great if they found a cure for autism?  Wouldn't it be even better if the cure was a vaccine?

Anti-vaxxer heads would explode.  And that would make the world a better place.


That would be impossible. Vaccines prevent you from getting diseases by building up your resistance to the disease, they don't cure the disease.
 
2014-04-08 11:49:42 AM
lostcat:

Based on air pollution, I guess we're going to see major spikes in autism in China and SE Asia, based on the massive construction and manufacturing booms that are fairly unregulated.

I wonder if we'd even know. I can see the more high functioning cases not being diagnosed at nearly the rate they are in the US.
 
2014-04-08 11:52:26 AM

brobdiggy: Wouldn't it be great if they found a cure for autism?  Wouldn't it be even better if the cure was a vaccine?


img.fark.net
 
2014-04-08 11:55:00 AM
Your child is just stupid, not autistic. Your child is not special - there are millions of stupid kids.

The REASON your child is stupid is because you are stupid.
 
2014-04-08 11:59:39 AM
Maybe...

Gabe Zichermann, editor of Gamification.co, argues that fluid intelligence and disorders such as Autism are the next step in human evolution.

Autistics have larger brains than non-autistics.
 
2014-04-08 12:03:07 PM

Fear the Clam: Well if there's anything I learned from TV it's that's fat dudes always have improbably attractive wives.


Except that it's happening in real life, too.  I've often wondered if sitcoms have played a part in that.  But, yeah, stupid fat guys with really good looking girlfriends/wives.  Weird.
 
2014-04-08 12:03:26 PM

bdub77: Carn: daisiem: Autism is genetic. Husband is as skinny as a rail. We were young and healthy when we had our boys. No drugs, no alcohol. Both sons are autistic. You can trace the autism back in both sides of our family for generations. All kinds of social nuttiness.

My nephew is autistic and both mom and dad were practically teatotallers (they'd have at most like a margarita or wine cooler).  Dad was rail thin too.  I don't know of any autism per se on either side but social awkwardness definitely.

I think it's genetic predisposition combined with genetic abnormalities related to chromosomal damage from toxins. I think much less the latter though, I also think autism is more commonly diagnosed than before.

On the external cause side, there's a link between maternal age and autism and between environmental toxins and autism. There's a link between obesity in men and autism. There's a link between air pollution and autism. I haven't seen anything specific to drug use other than some autistic behavior in kids whose parents used coke.

But consider:
- There has been a steady rise in obesity rates (not a cause in itself exactly)
- There is a higher prevalence of drug use
- There is greater exposure to environmental toxins, in food, drink, air, and other (pesticides and other lawn chemicals)
- Parents are having kids later in life

These effects are also interconnected. For example, increased weight means a greater likelihood of exposure to food and drink toxins. Weight increases with age and additionally there is a greater buildup of chromosomal damage with age.

The anti-vaxxers can go suck on a bag of dicks though.


Increased body fat also means potentially an increase in toxins in the body since adipose tissue stores toxins, so I can see that.  I also agree that environmental factors - increase exposure to pollutants and chemicals like lawn herbicides and pesticides could be linked.
 
2014-04-08 12:05:47 PM

brobdiggy: Wouldn't it be great if they found a cure for autism?  Wouldn't it be even better if the cure was a vaccine?

Anti-vaxxer heads would explode.  And that would make the world a better place.


Autism involves unusual brain growth patterns (per MRI studies), a cure would involve re-bulding the brain pathways.
 
2014-04-08 12:07:37 PM
Hypothesis: Autism is natures way of keeping the gene pool balanced - naturally limiting propagation by sons from more efficient resource gatherers. Those more efficient resource gathering men appear to be fat because modern society makes excess high calorie food available.

Social extension of this theory? Royalty. Royal families have "guaranteed" perpetuation of their "efficient resource gathering male genes" by arranging marriages of their sons, regardless of their health or mental capacity. But nature defeats the practice by absolutely denying a son to certain monarchs.
 
2014-04-08 12:10:04 PM

natazha: brobdiggy: Wouldn't it be great if they found a cure for autism?  Wouldn't it be even better if the cure was a vaccine?

Anti-vaxxer heads would explode.  And that would make the world a better place.

Autism involves unusual brain growth patterns (per MRI studies), a cure would involve re-bulding the brain pathways.


Or altering the growth pattern while it's growing.  Try pot.  The throw that at everything neurological nowadays.

Woo! Pot!
 
2014-04-08 12:29:49 PM
I don't think that's it, honestly, but if this causes a similar anti-unhealthy hype the same way it caused an anti-vax hype, I could get behind people trying to be healthier.
 
2014-04-08 12:43:04 PM
How dare you say its my fat ass and not Big Farma's fault.
 
m00
2014-04-08 12:48:41 PM
This actually makes perfect evolutionary sense.

Men who are fat throughout 99.9% of human history were fat because they were rich. While people on the autism spectrum sacrifice a lot of fitness, some of our most famous inventors have been autistic, and there is a genetic link between autism and intelligence.

While an autism is not particularly helpful to  hunting, laboring or craftsmanship, as the son of a rich father the autistic child is free to pursue inventions which benefit the entire tribe while living on his parent's wealth. And thereby select for the trait which causes fat men to have autistic children.
 
2014-04-08 12:50:17 PM

mike_d85: natazha: brobdiggy: Wouldn't it be great if they found a cure for autism?  Wouldn't it be even better if the cure was a vaccine?

Anti-vaxxer heads would explode.  And that would make the world a better place.

Autism involves unusual brain growth patterns (per MRI studies), a cure would involve re-bulding the brain pathways.

Or altering the growth pattern while it's growing.  Try pot.  The throw that at everything neurological nowadays.

Woo! Pot!


I know of (from the community, not personally) a mom who got her autistic kid on medical marijuana, because his major problems were failure to eat, and aggressive behavior.

/It's surprisingly difficult to *make* someone eat, even with punishments
 
2014-04-08 12:54:12 PM

untaken_name: Smeggy Smurf: untaken_name: People actually think vaccines cause autism? What idiots. It's the fluoride and chlorine in the tapwater, of course. Duh.

They also believe in chemtrails, the theory of atlantis and the loch ness monster.  Basically if it involves a paycheck, they'll believe anything you say

So they're normal? I mean, we can dicker on the amount required, but isn't that something that most of us would do, assuming the numbers lined up? We'd only have to publicly espouse whatever it was, after all.


The panda got it.  What's your excuse?
 
2014-04-08 12:56:24 PM
Your Dad wants steak?
 
2014-04-08 12:58:12 PM
Want to know why your child has autism? Because it's the latest disease du jour.
 
m00
2014-04-08 01:04:08 PM

Stephen_Falken: Want to know why your child has autism? Because it's the latest disease du jour.


Well, the real problem is that we classify things as if they are objectively discrete. We do this with species as well. But in reality, everything is a spectrum because genetics are that complicated.

So probably a lot of children are barely on the edge of the autism spectrum. In the past, we'd tell them to buckle down and stop being weird and they would conform and go on to live their lives. Now we label them as autistic, which is good as long as it helps the parents to understand educational and developmental needs. But it's bad if it ever becomes an excuse for not teaching the child how to function in society. I'm not saying society is all that great -- nobody is thrilled to be an office drone / wage slave. But that's the society most of us are born into, and we have to make the best of it or be brilliant enough to change society (or mentally tough enough to go live in isolation and self-sufficiency).
 
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