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2014-04-08 08:49:05 AM
The switch wasn't "In the books, The Hound killed Polliver; in the show Arya did." The switch was "In the books, Arya killed the Tickler; on the show she killed Polliver because the other guy died already."

So basically it's going to be exactly like every other season where most of the changes are minor, are the result of production limitations or are workarounds to keep the consequences of past changes from diverting the storyline off track.

And just like past seasons, the people involved in the production will exclaim "We changed a bunch of stuff this season!" even though they didn't, and the crazy fans will gripe "They changed a bunch of stuff this season!" even though they didn't, and everyone who read the books will continue to know basically all of the major plot points ahead of time and the people who didn't won't.
 
2014-04-08 09:31:23 AM
If you read George RR Martin's "Song of Fire and Ice" series...

Is that related to his "A Song of Ice and Fire" series that HBO based a show off of?
 
2014-04-08 09:51:32 AM
I sure hope he doesn't go all Chris Farley on us....
 
2014-04-08 10:27:10 AM
They combined two characters, and decided to give the kill scene from the unreleased upcoming book to her a bit early. Arya does get revenge for Lommy, quoting his death - just not until whateverthehell it is that's coming up.  Only after you read about floppy fake dwarf dick first though.
 
2014-04-08 10:27:55 AM
I think anyone who has read the last two books know that the show would have to deviate.  They'll probably shuffle the character perspectives a bit better than Feast and Dance did since they were supposed to be one book initially.  The pacing will have to be significantly tightened up as well, TV pacing is different than book pacing, but even then those books crawled.  There aren't too many shows/movies that are better than the books they cover, much less ones written/filmed while in progress, but in this case it certainly has the chance to be the better version of the story.
 
2014-04-08 10:43:31 AM

Delta1212: The switch wasn't "In the books, The Hound killed Polliver; in the show Arya did." The switch was "In the books, Arya killed the Tickler; on the show she killed Polliver because the other guy died already."

So basically it's going to be exactly like every other season where most of the changes are minor, are the result of production limitations or are workarounds to keep the consequences of past changes from diverting the storyline off track.

And just like past seasons, the people involved in the production will exclaim "We changed a bunch of stuff this season!" even though they didn't, and the crazy fans will gripe "They changed a bunch of stuff this season!" even though they didn't, and everyone who read the books will continue to know basically all of the major plot points ahead of time and the people who didn't won't.


The twist will be that Arya enrolls in clown college and becomes an entertainer.
 
2014-04-08 10:50:59 AM
I don't remember if it was an article, or just a comment, but someone put forth the idea that the books will never be finished.  Even the next one.  GRRM has been an unwanted, fat nerd his whole life.  Now all of a sudden he's hot shiat and everyone wants a part of him.  So he can either hunker down and write books that will be picked apart and hated on.  Or he can get paid a bunch to do podcasts and convention panels, both of which he really seems to enjoy.  Kind of a bummer, but as long as the show can finish the story, not a real big deal.
 
2014-04-08 10:51:19 AM
So she might stay with The Hound instead of going to that other place where she goes and learns to do that stuff?
 
2014-04-08 10:56:08 AM
Hodor's going to reveal he's been Ned Stark ALL ALONG!
 
2014-04-08 11:11:11 AM

Champion of the Sun: I don't remember if it was an article, or just a comment, but someone put forth the idea that the books will never be finished.  Even the next one.  GRRM has been an unwanted, fat nerd his whole life.  Now all of a sudden he's hot shiat and everyone wants a part of him.  So he can either hunker down and write books that will be picked apart and hated on.  Or he can get paid a bunch to do podcasts and convention panels, both of which he really seems to enjoy.  Kind of a bummer, but as long as the show can finish the story, not a real big deal.


I can easily see that.  He's mentioned before that the intense scrutiny his books get has made it hard for him to write.  He's been called out by obsessed fans over a minor character's eye color changing and the sex of a horse changing between books.  So now he is paranoid about screwing up any little detail.  Maybe he'll just tell the guys at HBO how it's supposed to end and let them finish up his story for him while he does the convention circuit and enjoys his tons of money.
 
2014-04-08 11:19:44 AM

ciderczar: Hodor's going to reveal he's been Ned Stark ALL ALONG!


Hodor's really a Faceless assassin, manipulating his traveling party in subtle ways to get closer to his target...

/OK, maybe they're taking the long way
 
2014-04-08 11:23:37 AM
So minor changes/combinations tha-

*Reads Boobies*

Ok. Done in one then. Carry on.
 
2014-04-08 11:33:05 AM

Kome: If you read George RR Martin's "Song of Fire and Ice" series...

Is that related to his "A Song of Ice and Fire" series that HBO based a show off of?


You sound delightful.
 
2014-04-08 11:47:46 AM
I kinda like the way the show does things. They tighten things up and everything seems to flow better than in the books. I like the books for the world building and the extra detail but I think the show is better as a narrative.
 
2014-04-08 11:50:50 AM

Farnn: Champion of the Sun: I don't remember if it was an article, or just a comment, but someone put forth the idea that the books will never be finished.  Even the next one.  GRRM has been an unwanted, fat nerd his whole life.  Now all of a sudden he's hot shiat and everyone wants a part of him.  So he can either hunker down and write books that will be picked apart and hated on.  Or he can get paid a bunch to do podcasts and convention panels, both of which he really seems to enjoy.  Kind of a bummer, but as long as the show can finish the story, not a real big deal.

I can easily see that.  He's mentioned before that the intense scrutiny his books get has made it hard for him to write.  He's been called out by obsessed fans over a minor character's eye color changing and the sex of a horse changing between books.  So now he is paranoid about screwing up any little detail.  Maybe he'll just tell the guys at HBO how it's supposed to end and let them finish up his story for him while he does the convention circuit and enjoys his tons of money.


I understand and appreciate it. I also think it why I lost interest. Tolkein's world didn't suddenly suck once he finished his books.
 
2014-04-08 11:52:02 AM
The books (which I love) are one telling of the story, the series another.

I have NO problem with differences and change ups, and most fans I interact with online feel the same.

As a matter of fact, it keeps the series from being too predictable. Sure, we're spoiled on major plot points, but what fun to go along for the ride along the way not really being 100% sure of what will happen next?
 
2014-04-08 12:07:43 PM

Clash City Farker: So she might stay with The Hound instead of going to that other place where she goes and learns to do that stuff?


i haven't even seen the show, but i think that would be way more interesting than the books.
 
2014-04-08 12:09:27 PM
Let the Red Viper live longer. That's one change the series should make.
 
2014-04-08 12:12:44 PM

enderthexenocide: Clash City Farker: So she might stay with The Hound instead of going to that other place where she goes and learns to do that stuff?

i haven't even seen the show, but i think that would be way more interesting than the books.


Maybe. Her "training" did get a bit tiresome, but it did set it up well for her to become the most badass assassin since Artemis Entreri.
 
2014-04-08 12:37:03 PM

Farnn: and the sex of a horse changing between books


regardless of how it was changed, that whole overly detailed scene of horse sex didn't need to be repeated
 
2014-04-08 12:52:00 PM

Cymbal: Let the Red Viper live longer. That's one change the series should make.


So much this.  That character had potential.  Until he didn't.  *sigh*
 
2014-04-08 12:54:21 PM

GarbageDay: Kome: If you read George RR Martin's "Song of Fire and Ice" series...

Is that related to his "A Song of Ice and Fire" series that HBO based a show off of?

You sound delightful.


Screwing up simple facts that suggest a complete lack of understanding of whatever you're writing about is not a good way to conduct oneself as a journalist. Sorry I get kind of peeved at that, but I think even for entertainment journalism, getting the basics right is still kind of important.
 
2014-04-08 12:55:47 PM

Clash City Farker: So she might stay with The Hound instead of going to that other place where she goes and learns to do that stuff?


I doubt it.  If that was their intent all along, then there wasn't really a need to introduce Jaqen into the story.  They could have easily had her escape through various other means.


ConConHead: They combined two characters, and decided to give the kill scene from the unreleased upcoming book to her a bit early. Arya does get revenge for Lommy, quoting his death - just not until whateverthehell it is that's coming up.  Only after you read about floppy fake dwarf dick first though.


How was that related to the chapter from the new book?  They simply swapped out the Tickler for Polliver.
 
2014-04-08 12:58:49 PM

Joey Jo Jo Jr Shabadu: Clash City Farker: So she might stay with The Hound instead of going to that other place where she goes and learns to do that stuff?

I doubt it.  If that was their intent all along, then there wasn't really a need to introduce Jaqen into the story.  They could have easily had her escape through various other means.


ConConHead: They combined two characters, and decided to give the kill scene from the unreleased upcoming book to her a bit early. Arya does get revenge for Lommy, quoting his death - just not until whateverthehell it is that's coming up.  Only after you read about floppy fake dwarf dick first though.

How was that related to the chapter from the new book?  They simply swapped out the Tickler for Polliver.


Yup, as the OP stated: minor change with little practical value regarding the story as a whole.  The point is that Arya killed someone who had wronged her, and did so in a particularly taunting way.  Its developing her character.  Doesn't really matter that much who she did it to.
 
2014-04-08 12:59:15 PM
At this point I would be ecstatic if GRRM just bailed on the books and decided to "let the televised version finish the story"...

They have this series on lock...it's absolutely outstanding and vastly superior to the books (read the series twice).

Maybe end the whole thing with a massive movie trilogy to go out with a big bang.
 
2014-04-08 01:00:19 PM

Kome: GarbageDay: Kome: If you read George RR Martin's "Song of Fire and Ice" series...

Is that related to his "A Song of Ice and Fire" series that HBO based a show off of?

You sound delightful.

Screwing up simple facts that suggest a complete lack of understanding of whatever you're writing about is not a good way to conduct oneself as a journalist. Sorry I get kind of peeved at that, but I think even for entertainment journalism, getting the basics right is still kind of important.


Do you agree that "'P OR Q' is always logically equivalent to 'Q OR P'"?
 
2014-04-08 01:01:12 PM

ciderczar: Hodor's going to reveal he's been Ned Stark ALL ALONG!


What a cunning dickguise.

I mean, um, a boner fide subversive plot.

That is, to say, a porkticularly clever veil...

/I give up.
//HODOR
///Penis
 
2014-04-08 01:02:01 PM

sprawl15: Kome: GarbageDay: Kome: If you read George RR Martin's "Song of Fire and Ice" series...

Is that related to his "A Song of Ice and Fire" series that HBO based a show off of?

You sound delightful.

Screwing up simple facts that suggest a complete lack of understanding of whatever you're writing about is not a good way to conduct oneself as a journalist. Sorry I get kind of peeved at that, but I think even for entertainment journalism, getting the basics right is still kind of important.

Do you agree that "'P OR Q' is always logically equivalent to 'Q OR P'"?


Yes, provided "P OR Q" isn't the proper name of a distinct entity and not a logical statement, as is the case here.

/he is being pedantic, but he does have a point.
 
2014-04-08 01:09:17 PM
John Snow has died, brought back to life, no longer needs to be a crow, finds out he is lena? lea, whatever's kid with RHeagar, becomes king in the north and Rhaz reaul or whatever and then dies by a syphalis infection.
 
2014-04-08 01:11:14 PM

Optimus Primate: At this point I would be ecstatic if GRRM just bailed on the books and decided to "let the televised version finish the story"...

They have this series on lock...it's absolutely outstanding and vastly superior to the books (read the series twice).

Maybe end the whole thing with a massive movie trilogy to go out with a big bang.


Eh, I still want the books.  I agree that the show has done a tremendous job trimming the fat and adapting it for the screen, but they have made a few missteps along the way.  I also think all of the detail and backstory you get from the books enhances the viewing of the show.
 
2014-04-08 01:21:22 PM

Delta1212: The switch wasn't "In the books, The Hound killed Polliver; in the show Arya did." The switch was "In the books, Arya killed the Tickler; on the show she killed Polliver because the other guy died already."

So basically it's going to be exactly like every other season where most of the changes are minor, are the result of production limitations or are workarounds to keep the consequences of past changes from diverting the storyline off track.

And just like past seasons, the people involved in the production will exclaim "We changed a bunch of stuff this season!" even though they didn't, and the crazy fans will gripe "They changed a bunch of stuff this season!" even though they didn't, and everyone who read the books will continue to know basically all of the major plot points ahead of time and the people who didn't won't.


Ah but will you know ahead of time about that one hot chick dropping all her clothes to fark that dorky looking dude for no reason?
 
2014-04-08 01:36:22 PM

sprawl15: Kome: GarbageDay: Kome: If you read George RR Martin's "Song of Fire and Ice" series...

Is that related to his "A Song of Ice and Fire" series that HBO based a show off of?

You sound delightful.

Screwing up simple facts that suggest a complete lack of understanding of whatever you're writing about is not a good way to conduct oneself as a journalist. Sorry I get kind of peeved at that, but I think even for entertainment journalism, getting the basics right is still kind of important.

Do you agree that "'P OR Q' is always logically equivalent to 'Q OR P'"?


=)
 
2014-04-08 01:37:26 PM
the actress who plays Arya is maturing pretty quickly
Does the character in the books match her age?
 
2014-04-08 01:38:52 PM
for that matter the kid who plays Bran? The one who was crippled...
He was growing like a weed last season
 
2014-04-08 01:40:45 PM

Delta1212: The switch wasn't "In the books, The Hound killed Polliver; in the show Arya did." The switch was "In the books, Arya killed the Tickler; on the show she killed Polliver because the other guy died already."

So basically it's going to be exactly like every other season where most of the changes are minor, are the result of production limitations or are workarounds to keep the consequences of past changes from diverting the storyline off track.

And just like past seasons, the people involved in the production will exclaim "We changed a bunch of stuff this season!" even though they didn't, and the crazy fans will gripe "They changed a bunch of stuff this season!" even though they didn't, and everyone who read the books will continue to know basically all of the major plot points ahead of time and the people who didn't won't.


Except, it appears they also made the change of the Hound being seriously injured during the fight with Polliver and the Tickler, so maybe he and Arya will hang out together longer than in the books.
 
2014-04-08 01:47:43 PM
The books are so long and the time between seasons so long and there are so many characters that I can't remember what happened in enough detail to notice changes.. even changes in actors.

I feel a bit senile watching the show.

I still like it though!
 
2014-04-08 01:53:30 PM

Trik: the actress who plays Arya is maturing pretty quickly
Does the character in the books match her age?


not really, but her aging actually kind of fits the story better
 
2014-04-08 02:23:00 PM

JolobinSmokin: John Snow has died, brought back to life, no longer needs to be a crow, finds out he is lena? lea, whatever's kid with RHeagar, becomes king in the north and Rhaz reaul or whatever and then dies by a syphalis infection.


He'll wind up banging Danerys, since Targarians inbreed. Since she sleeps with so many guys, it's entirely possible she catches something.
 
2014-04-08 02:26:25 PM

Wicked Chinchilla: Cymbal: Let the Red Viper live longer. That's one change the series should make.

So much this.  That character had potential.  Until he didn't.  *sigh*


He sets up the Sand Snakes to come in and be bad asses.
 
2014-04-08 02:41:15 PM
That is not a troll that is just showbiz. I figure GRRM is too slow, so by the time the show catches up the writers will just go fark it and start making up shiat whole cloth instead of changing things around. This is just the ground work.


Oh by the way did you hear that GRRM has Mesothelioma? Apparently he inhaled some asbestos from some shiatty con in 1964 held in some shiatty New York convention center. Sad, but I hear he only has months to live.
 
2014-04-08 02:54:26 PM
Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque:

The twist will be that Arya enrolls in clown college and becomes an entertainer.


Valar morghulis.  All men must mime.

blog.lib.umn.edu
 
2014-04-08 03:12:52 PM
****Spoiler warning****


If there's one change I would like it would be Joffrey's death. It was way too easy. There needed to be more blood, gore and castration involved.
 
2014-04-08 03:14:25 PM

Rising_Zan_Samurai_Gunman: Delta1212: The switch wasn't "In the books, The Hound killed Polliver; in the show Arya did." The switch was "In the books, Arya killed the Tickler; on the show she killed Polliver because the other guy died already."

So basically it's going to be exactly like every other season where most of the changes are minor, are the result of production limitations or are workarounds to keep the consequences of past changes from diverting the storyline off track.

And just like past seasons, the people involved in the production will exclaim "We changed a bunch of stuff this season!" even though they didn't, and the crazy fans will gripe "They changed a bunch of stuff this season!" even though they didn't, and everyone who read the books will continue to know basically all of the major plot points ahead of time and the people who didn't won't.

Except, it appears they also made the change of the Hound being seriously injured during the fight with Polliver and the Tickler, so maybe he and Arya will hang out together longer than in the books.


They're going to stretch that storyline out for this season. I'm actually pretty confident that the aftermath of the tavern fight is going to be transferred to the aftermath of a fight with some Vale knights later in the season giving Arya and the Hound more time to hang out and letting them delay the start of the next leg of Arya's plot until the end of this season.
 
2014-04-08 03:25:02 PM

bulok: If there's one change I would like it would be Joffrey's death. It was way too easy. There needed to be more blood, gore and castration involved.


My wife knows that I'm somewhat spoiled about things coming up in the show; I read Wiki articles about the characters and so know how certain things happened in the book. How he goes out is one of the big things I'm aware of (I haven't read the book) and what happens immediately after that to...uh, someone else. Who someone finds someone else in bed with. If they keep that, it's gonna be a huge shock, I think, since the person in that other person's bed has been portrayed as being so steadfast.

But I agree, much more pain, and blood and most of all, a really delicious juicy public humiliation just before death would be awesome.
 
2014-04-08 03:25:38 PM
Also, according to the Hollywood Reporter, GoT has been renewed for two more seasons as of today.
 
2014-04-08 03:47:29 PM

JolobinSmokin: John Snow has died, brought back to life, no longer needs to be a crow, finds out he is lena? lea, whatever's kid with RHeagar, becomes king in the north and Rhaz reaul or whatever and then dies by a syphalis infection.


Note to self:  Don't post to Fark while undergoing brain mapping surgery...
 
2014-04-08 04:00:26 PM

MugzyBrown: The books are so long and the time between seasons so long and there are so many characters that I can't remember what happened in enough detail to notice changes.. even changes in actors.

I feel a bit senile watching the show.

I still like it though!


That's what is cool about the show.  I remember the major plot points but so much happens in each book that I forgot a lot of it.

Even this thing with Arya and the Hound.  I remembered what happened with them during the Red Wedding but I couldn't remember her journey from that point to where she ended up in books 4 and 5.

So watching the show still feels fresh even knowing the major spoilers.
 
2014-04-08 05:23:48 PM
The Hound should have got hurt bad in that fight, but he didn't get a scratch. I guess if they do part ways, it will be different from the book.
 
2014-04-08 07:33:12 PM

Cymbal: Maybe. Her "training" did get a bit tiresome, but it did set it up well for her to become the most badass assassin since Artemis Entreri.


Martin's main problem as a writer is that he fails to understand that things can and sometimes  should happen off-screen if you're trying to make your story have any element of mystery or suspense whatsoever.

Arya's training is pretty bad, there should have been  just enough of an intro to make it clear what the organization taking her in was, then a complete blank apart from the plot-relevant points (basically one or two asides to point out that she's still having wolf-dreams and it's causing her to resist indoctrination).  But the worst offender by far is the Iron Navy's trip across the sea, where the story is  actively improved if they just show up in the harbor of the slave-states with a red priest in tow, and the 300-odd pages dedicated to it actually robs the appearance of the Light religion of any dramatic impact whatsoever while not advancing the plot or developing any characters in any way.

We've already reached the point where the show's writing is better than the books', I'm hoping by the time we get to that bit the script-writers have gotten comfortable with just tossing sections entirely or adding in their own independent plot-lines rather than just streamlining like they're doing.
 
2014-04-08 09:43:40 PM
The Polliver/Tickler change didn't seem to be that big a deal. I was more thrown by Jaime and Brienne being back in King's Landing before Joffrey's wedding.
 
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