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(The Daily Beast)   How Captain America shows everything wrong with movie adaptations of superhero comic books, especially the "clunky, overblown, CGI climax that's become a signature of the genre"   (thedailybeast.com ) divider line
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2014-04-08 09:38:29 AM  
I loved it.  lots of things went boom, that's really what I was looking for.
 
2014-04-08 09:52:43 AM  
Hey look everybody, its That Guy.
 
2014-04-08 09:53:03 AM  
Yes, by all means. The greatest thing to have happened to cape books in the past 10 years was for them to become 18 pages of soap-opera dialogue with a single splash page of an explosion. Let's not allow the movies to have fun, either.
 
2014-04-08 09:53:11 AM  
I can't figure out what the author is saying, except

When the audience can't comprehend the scale of the destruction that's about to occur-disable the satellites! shoot the missile into the wormhole!-there's no incentive to actually pay attention to what's happening on screen.

I'm not sure if that's a good point or not. It seems technical.
 
2014-04-08 09:53:13 AM  
Oh, bullsh*t. That film was very good. Well-written and engaging, with a reveal very few saw coming.
 
2014-04-08 09:53:59 AM  
Sujay Kumar is clearly suffering from a severe mental handicap, and I for one praise Daily Beast for being progressive and forward thinking enough to give a writing gig to him.
 
2014-04-08 09:54:09 AM  
They followed the only three rules that matter.
1) One villain. More than one automatically makes your movie suck.
2) Nothing changed from the source that mattered.
3) The hero keeps his mask ON for most of the movie. Seriously, no one pays to see whatever idiot you hired for the role. We pay for the mask.

So it was good. End of story.
 
2014-04-08 09:58:20 AM  

markfara: Oh, bullsh*t. That film was very good. Well-written and engaging, with a reveal very few saw coming.


Depending on which "reveal" you're talking about, it was either pointless or obvious.

/The movie was just ok, not great. I thought Iron Man 3 was better.
 
Skr
2014-04-08 09:59:53 AM  
"How 'Captain America' Almost Got It Right but Ended Up Being a Dud"

That headline just screams to me that he wants to kick the fire anthill to get attention. A dud? Really?
 
2014-04-08 10:00:21 AM  

markfara: Oh, bullsh*t. That film was very good. Well-written and engaging, with a reveal very few saw coming.


My wife predicted the entire thing as the characters were being introduced.  They are pretty standard tropes, but that didn't make watching it any less fun.
 
2014-04-08 10:05:09 AM  
Pic of the reviewer:


"Worst movie ever."
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2014-04-08 10:05:53 AM  

Tyrone Slothrop: markfara: Oh, bullsh*t. That film was very good. Well-written and engaging, with a reveal very few saw coming.

Depending on which "reveal" you're talking about, it was either pointless or obvious.

/The movie was just ok, not great. I thought Iron Man 3 was better.


Whoa. Our tastes are diametrically opposed, that's for sure.
 
2014-04-08 10:06:04 AM  

Old enough to know better: Hey look everybody, its That Guy.


This right here. I'm not a comic book geek or a Marvel honk: but I thought the movie was darn good. All I know is I had fun for 2+ hours. I guess that makes me a bad person.
 
2014-04-08 10:06:49 AM  

Old enough to know better: Hey look everybody, its That Guy.


The big, fat phony?
 
2014-04-08 10:17:15 AM  

dangelder: I can't figure out what the author is saying, except

When the audience can't comprehend the scale of the destruction that's about to occur-disable the satellites! shoot the missile into the wormhole!-there's no incentive to actually pay attention to what's happening on screen.

I'm not sure if that's a good point or not. It seems technical.


I don't really understand his criticism- like Han, I can imagine quite a bit. If, as a moviegoer, I can be expected to take robots from the future, shapeshifting robots, sentient robots, sad and sarcastic robots, and sexy robot assassins seriously, I'm pretty sure I can suspend my disbelief when it comes to scale of destruction.
 
2014-04-08 10:19:51 AM  

ds615: 3) The hero keeps his mask ON for most of the movie. Seriously, no one pays to see whatever idiot you hired for the role. We pay for the mask.


Well...not always.

I agree that Spider-Man should almost never have his mask off while in costume.  (I'm looking at you, Toby), but with guys like Cap and Iron Man, the movies are as much about the man they are as they are about the hero they are.  If you boil it down, Marvel has a lot of good character under those masks worth exploring.  Some of them are outright retarded, though, so I can see your point.
 
2014-04-08 10:20:08 AM  
Talk about a guy who doesn't get it.
Go watch your foreign black and white, subtitled movie of gay cowboys on bikes eating pudding.
 
2014-04-08 10:22:31 AM  

Tyrone Slothrop: markfara: Oh, bullsh*t. That film was very good. Well-written and engaging, with a reveal very few saw coming.

Depending on which "reveal" you're talking about, it was either pointless or obvious.

/The movie was just ok, not great. I thought Iron Man 3 was better.


Ugh. Don't say that. The ending of IM3 was awful.

/SUUUUPER PEPPERRRRRR!
 
2014-04-08 10:25:47 AM  

Savage Belief: Tyrone Slothrop: markfara: Oh, bullsh*t. That film was very good. Well-written and engaging, with a reveal very few saw coming.

Depending on which "reveal" you're talking about, it was either pointless or obvious.

/The movie was just ok, not great. I thought Iron Man 3 was better.

Ugh. Don't say that. The ending of IM3 was awful.

/SUUUUPER PEPPERRRRRR!


You mean Rescue? She's only been around since 2007.

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2014-04-08 10:29:04 AM  

ds615: They followed the only three rules that matter.
1) One villain. More than one automatically makes your movie suck.



www.clevescene.com
 
2014-04-08 10:30:58 AM  

ds615: They followed the only three rules that matter.
1) One villain. More than one automatically makes your movie suck.


There are at least two, plus possibly another if you believe Ultron was teased in this film.  I'd argue that what Zola did is going to be more important in the long term than the hybridized character Redford played.

2) Nothing changed from the source that mattered.

Debatable but functionally true.  However, the source material was massively controversial when it came out, because only Uncle Ben, Bucky Barnes, and Jason Todd had stayed dead.  DC had already put a shark in the water a year or two previous with the Red Hood, and people shat chickens when the Winter Soldier storyline got rolling.

3) The hero keeps his mask ON for most of the movie. Seriously, no one pays to see whatever idiot you hired for the role. We pay for the mask.

Did you watch the same movie I did?  Because I saw a lot of Evans' face.  Now, he did keep the mask on a great deal when in costume and in the field, which is tactically good.  Still, the whole point of Steve Rogers' Cap is that he is this ironic Nazi ideal that turned around and punched that shiat hard - literally one of two specific characters in the Marvel Universe (referring specifically to WWII/616 Steve here) that has a rock hard reason to be a specific race and appearance.  He's a giant F U to Nazis.

The whole Marvel world knows what this dude looks like.  He ain't Batman.

So it was good. End of story.

On this we agree, but what?
 
2014-04-08 10:37:34 AM  
So we go from "How 'Captain America' Almost Got It Right but Ended Up Being a Dud" in the title to

"The movie isn't bad; it soars when operating like the Jason Bourne franchise, with Captain America on the run as a fugitive."

So it's a dud, but it's not a bad movie, and in some parts it's really good.

Stop liking things I don't like, etc. etc.
 
2014-04-08 10:38:52 AM  
I can always tell if a reviewer is a douchebag if they make a point to use the term "CGI" as if it's the Worst. Thing. Ever.  Yes, we get it Mr. Reviewer, you like to spend your weekends fapping to behind the scenes films about Sam Winston and Ray Harryhausen, but CGI is the way that most SFX are going to be done in most movies for the foreseeable future.  Get used to it and get over yourself.
 
2014-04-08 10:40:37 AM  

Savage Belief: Ugh. Don't say that. The ending of IM3 was awful.

/SUUUUPER PEPPERRRRRR!


Eh, I didn't mind that.  I didn't like the "blow up all the suits that just saved our asses and the entire US government from being usurped and oh I fixed that character defining defect in my chest because apparently it's that easy lol" part.  Still a good movie overall, but that bugged me.

Everyone else's main criticism, why he didn't just activate the "house party" protocol from the start, I think can be explained away by a missed beat in editing.  There was probably some scene where Tony was talking to Jarvis to see if the "special project" or the house party code was done yet, and Jarvis told him almost but not yet.  At least that's how I choose to believe it, anyway, because otherwise there is a HUGE hole in the plot logic.
 
2014-04-08 10:43:03 AM  

KhamanV: ds615: They followed the only three rules that matter.
1) One villain. More than one automatically makes your movie suck.

There are at least two, plus possibly another if you believe Ultron was teased in this film.  I'd argue that what Zola did is going to be more important in the long term than the hybridized character Redford played.


1) Winter Soldier: More of a weapon than a villain, but as a foil for Captain America, he was right on the villainous mark.
2) Robert Redford: Yeah, this is obvious.
3) Arnim Zola: Definitely a villain, even moreso than Robert Redford, since he probably indirectly created Robert Redford, or at least, the parasite organization he works for.
4) Gary Shandling: *leans in close* "Hail Hydra" ;)

Seriously, though, I doubt either Rhino or Green Goblin has as much screen time or influence on the plot of Amazing Spider-Man 2 as any of these three villains. The difference is that they integrated them well into a single underlying evil organization as the many heads of Hydra.
 
2014-04-08 10:44:13 AM  

Teufelaffe: I can always tell if a reviewer is a douchebag if they make a point to use the term "CGI" as if it's the Worst. Thing. Ever.  Yes, we get it Mr. Reviewer, you like to spend your weekends fapping to behind the scenes films about Sam Winston and Ray Harryhausen, but CGI is the way that most SFX are going to be done in most movies for the foreseeable future.  Get used to it and get over yourself.


Besides, while CGI was used for a lot of the obvious stuff (Falcon, all the helicarriers...) they did a remarkable amount of real fight scenes and stunts for this day and age.  The fight scenes between Cap and Winter Soldier were downright brutal looking.
 
2014-04-08 10:44:16 AM  

Savage Belief: Ugh. Don't say that. The ending of IM3 was awful.

/SUUUUPER PEPPERRRRRR!


I have a feeling that the ending made sense to people that are current with, say, the last 10 years of Iron Man comics continuity (Pepper has a suit of her own, I gleaned from Fark threads) but for the rest of us... yeah, not so much. It was out of character for the Pepper we know from the movies, and tonally wrong for the movie itself.

If the writers really, really wanted to have Pepper save the day, here's how I would have written it:

- Killian is about to kill a defenseless Stark. Of course, he has to take a moment to gloat about how he's the better man and the better engineer.
- Pepper emerges from the rubble. "Wait!", she cries. "Adrian, you're right. I want to be with you -- but let Tony live!"
- She runs to Killian, embraces him, kisses him passionately, to Tony's astonishment
- As she kisses him, he starts to glow, hotter and hotter... Killian suddenly realizes what's happening, but it's too late...
- Killian explodes, showering Tony with exploding hot stuff. The shot is set up to deliberately mimic the climax of IM 1 when, coincidentally, Pepper also saved the day by blowing up Stane.

Tony: How did you know that would work?
Pepper: I didn't. I was just buying time.
Tony: Actually, that was kinda hot.
 
2014-04-08 10:44:20 AM  
Did I misread the article or was he complaining that a PG 13 movie refused to show brutal decapitations from someone we are supposed to view as unerringly heroic? He says no one takes the time to choreograph a fight scene while complimenting Cap's fight with Batroc. Was this whole article's point to be a back door from Captain America to the Raid 2 so this guy could praise it?
 
2014-04-08 10:45:26 AM  
Loved the latest Captian America movie it was fantastic.  Even got Mrs. RyansPrivates to see it with me.  That being said, as we were walking out, I couldn't help myself from saying: I wonder if this is the last really great comic book movie for a while. Are people going to get sick of every summer being eaten up by comic book movies while others get short shrift?

Not saying it will happen, but I think we could be getting close to maximum Comic Book movie.
 
2014-04-08 10:45:55 AM  
All I know is that the film must've done something right when my wife, who has never read a comic in her life and only watches these movies because I'm a fan, insisted we go back and see it again last night, after having just seen it Saturday. She spent Sunday reading more about it and had to go back. So well done, Marvel.

/I also loved it.
//don't anticipate her reacting the same to GotG.
 
2014-04-08 10:47:12 AM  

Shadowknight: Savage Belief: Ugh. Don't say that. The ending of IM3 was awful.

/SUUUUPER PEPPERRRRRR!

Eh, I didn't mind that.  I didn't like the "blow up all the suits that just saved our asses and the entire US government from being usurped and oh I fixed that character defining defect in my chest because apparently it's that easy lol" part.  Still a good movie overall, but that bugged me.

Everyone else's main criticism, why he didn't just activate the "house party" protocol from the start, I think can be explained away by a missed beat in editing.  There was probably some scene where Tony was talking to Jarvis to see if the "special project" or the house party code was done yet, and Jarvis told him almost but not yet.  At least that's how I choose to believe it, anyway, because otherwise there is a HUGE hole in the plot logic.


Plus, the house protocol "not being quite ready" would be consistent with every other new armor he's made throughout the previous three movies Iron Man was in up until that point not being ready until the plot required them to be.
 
2014-04-08 10:49:18 AM  

Gaambit: All I know is that the film must've done something right when my wife, who has never read a comic in her life and only watches these movies because I'm a fan, insisted we go back and see it again last night, after having just seen it Saturday. She spent Sunday reading more about it and had to go back. So well done, Marvel.

/I also loved it.
//don't anticipate her reacting the same to GotG.


The movie actually had a lot of multi-target fan service.  Lots of butt shots of ScarJo, of course.  But also had plenty of Chris Evans, too.  Shirtless, tank topped, showing him running from a waist height to show off all that Patriotic rear end.  Even Robert Redford had a few lingering low angle shots while talking to the governing council for all the older ladies and gay men in the audience.

Equality Achieved!
 
2014-04-08 10:49:31 AM  
Wait, there was something wrong with the movie?
 
2014-04-08 10:50:52 AM  

Alphax: Wait, there was something wrong with the movie?


No, some article writer just wanted to type a bunch of word vomit equivalent to "stop liking what I don't like!"
 
2014-04-08 10:52:07 AM  
I liked the opening sequence of Cap raiding the ship, but ultimately, I couldn't help but be disappointed that it wasn't more like Ed Brubaker's "Winter Soldier".
 
2014-04-08 10:56:21 AM  
Hollywood seems to be appealing to 12-year-olds who want to see something-anything-go KABOOM!

What, is the writer mentally retarded sorry, developmentally disabled? THEY ARE ADAPTING A GODDAM COMIC BOOK, FOR GOD'S SAKE!

Of COURSE it's a KABOOM movie. Jesus, how farking stupid IS this guy? I haven't seen the movie yet, so it might sucjk, but attacking it because the hero gets in a battle that destroys things is like attacking a period piece set in the days of the US Revolution because people are dressed like they did in the days of the US Revolution, and nobody has a farking shower in their house.

I didn't get past that part of the story, is there ANYTHING that makes continuing worth it?
 
2014-04-08 10:56:58 AM  

ThatBillmanGuy: Plus, the house protocol "not being quite ready" would be consistent with every other new armor he's made throughout the previous three movies Iron Man was in up until that point not being ready until the plot required them to be.


Pretty much, yeah.  I mean, yeah, I know it's a tactic to add tension.  "Oh no, he doesn't have what it takes to beat the bad guy BUT HERE IS HIS NEW ARMOR FRESH OUT OF FABRICATION ISN'T IT AWESOME!"  But it works in terms of the story, because he 

1) Figures out what he's up against
2) Figures out what he needs to beat it
3) Starts manufacturing and programming, which even Stark's fictional world takes a little bit of time.  

But, I figure it was probably cut in editing as unnecessary.  After all, I accepted the scene in "Pacific Rim" when the anime girl come to life surprises Manly McHunkmeat with the super arm sword.  I mean, sure, it would have made more sense to use it from the start instead of swinging an oil tanker like a Louisville Slugger.  And it doesn't make sense that Manly McHunkmeat doesn't know about it, since their minds are supposed to be linked and they know everything the other does out of hand.  

But the movie, and that scene, were so cool that I could have cared less.  Same with Iron Man 3.  Seeing an army of semi-sentient killbots, one of which was the farking Hulkbuster armor, took away any real care I had about why he didn't do that as soon as he found out the evil scheme.
 
2014-04-08 10:58:43 AM  

ds615: They followed the only three rules that matter.
1) One villain. More than one automatically makes your movie suck.
2) Nothing changed from the source that mattered.
3) The hero keeps his mask ON for most of the movie. Seriously, no one pays to see whatever idiot you hired for the role. We pay for the mask.

So it was good. End of story.


You can have multiple enemies, but not more than 2(maybe 3), and they have to be a team. Preferably a team from the start, so that you don't have to introduce backstory for each and every one. That's where it bpogs down, is the backstory for all of them. Make them a 'Legion of Doom' thing and leave it at that.
 
2014-04-08 11:01:05 AM  

Shadowknight: Teufelaffe: I can always tell if a reviewer is a douchebag if they make a point to use the term "CGI" as if it's the Worst. Thing. Ever.  Yes, we get it Mr. Reviewer, you like to spend your weekends fapping to behind the scenes films about Sam Winston and Ray Harryhausen, but CGI is the way that most SFX are going to be done in most movies for the foreseeable future.  Get used to it and get over yourself.

Besides, while CGI was used for a lot of the obvious stuff (Falcon, all the helicarriers...)



A remarkable amount of CGI was used for the shield.  And not the 'in flight' parts.  Almost every single time you saw the shield 'stuck' inside something after being thrown and cap had to pull it out?  CGI.  I was quite amazed by how often that kind of look was used.
 
2014-04-08 11:05:06 AM  

Shadowknight: ThatBillmanGuy: Plus, the house protocol "not being quite ready" would be consistent with every other new armor he's made throughout the previous three movies Iron Man was in up until that point not being ready until the plot required them to be.

Pretty much, yeah.  I mean, yeah, I know it's a tactic to add tension.  "Oh no, he doesn't have what it takes to beat the bad guy BUT HERE IS HIS NEW ARMOR FRESH OUT OF FABRICATION ISN'T IT AWESOME!"  But it works in terms of the story, because he 

1) Figures out what he's up against
2) Figures out what he needs to beat it
3) Starts manufacturing and programming, which even Stark's fictional world takes a little bit of time.  

But, I figure it was probably cut in editing as unnecessary.  After all, I accepted the scene in "Pacific Rim" when the anime girl come to life surprises Manly McHunkmeat with the super arm sword.  I mean, sure, it would have made more sense to use it from the start instead of swinging an oil tanker like a Louisville Slugger.  And it doesn't make sense that Manly McHunkmeat doesn't know about it, since their minds are supposed to be linked and they know everything the other does out of hand.  

But the movie, and that scene, were so cool that I could have cared less.  Same with Iron Man 3.  Seeing an army of semi-sentient killbots, one of which was the farking Hulkbuster armor, took away any real care I had about why he didn't do that as soon as he found out the evil scheme.


One more thing I will point out, is that there was a large amount of debris covering the hatch for the all the armors. As soon as the construction guys removed it, Jarvis called Tony about it. So it's not like he could have even activated it earlier. Unless people are biatching that he didn't do it before his house got missiles delivered to it, and he knew what he was up against.
 
2014-04-08 11:05:13 AM  

Shadowknight: Everyone else's main criticism, why he didn't just activate the "house party" protocol from the start, I think can be explained away by a missed beat in editing. There was probably some scene where Tony was talking to Jarvis to see if the "special project" or the house party code was done yet, and Jarvis told him almost but not yet. At least that's how I choose to believe it, anyway, because otherwise there is a HUGE hole in the plot logic.


Yeah, it is a big hole. In the immortal words of Jim Rhodes, "You might want to lead with that next time."

I chose to go with either (a) he couldn't do it until Jarvis was fully functional again (as the movie showed, Jarvis was having issues, and he couldn't even summon the nearest armor until Jarvis was up again), or (2) for some reason he couldn't communicate with the armor until enough rubble was cleared.

But either way, yes, you're right: whatever the explanation was, it ended up on the cutting room floor.

ExcedrinHeadache: The difference is that they integrated them well into a single underlying evil organization as the many heads of Hydra.


Damn, I wish I'd said that. The villain in this movie is Hydra itself, (and the organization stands as an embodiment of the subtext that we have allowed insecurity to undermine freedom).
 
2014-04-08 11:06:21 AM  

evilmrsock: Yes, by all means. The greatest thing to have happened to cape books in the past 10 years was for them to become 18 pages of soap-opera dialogue with a single splash page of an explosion. Let's not allow the movies to have fun, either.


I don't know what comics you're reading, but mainstream books are generally so decompressed you might get 18 pages of soap opera dialogue and one splash page explosion over the course of four issues, if you're lucky.
 
2014-04-08 11:08:50 AM  

Shadowknight: Cap and Winter Soldier were downright brutal looking.


Loved the fight scene between Cap and Batroc.


Shadowknight: otherwise there is a HUGE hole in the plot logic.


House party looked cool but was I think a better ending would have been Tony doing clever stuff in an old and busted suit and really learning to count on his wits and will than his tech.
 
2014-04-08 11:13:33 AM  

Space Station Wagon: Shadowknight: Cap and Winter Soldier were downright brutal looking.

Loved the fight scene between Cap and Batroc.


Shadowknight: otherwise there is a HUGE hole in the plot logic.

House party looked cool but was I think a better ending would have been Tony doing clever stuff in an old and busted suit and really learning to count on his wits and will than his tech.


I also expected Bruce to dig out his original suit he made in Batman Begins when he was going to fight Bane after returning and sneaking into Gotham. Which I thought would be cool, because it's more protecting against knives and gunfire. It just slows him down more. But nope, turns out he had another of the titanium blades suits as a backup.
 
2014-04-08 11:14:16 AM  

ThatBillmanGuy: One more thing I will point out, is that there was a large amount of debris covering the hatch for the all the armors. As soon as the construction guys removed it, Jarvis called Tony about it. So it's not like he could have even activated it earlier. Unless people are biatching that he didn't do it before his house got missiles delivered to it, and he knew what he was up against.


Good catch.

Space Station Wagon:Loved the fight scene between Cap and Batroc.

House party looked cool but was I think a better ending would have been Tony doing clever stuff in an old and busted suit and really learning to count on his wits and will than his tech.


Yeah, that first fight was cool as hell.  Kind of wish he stayed on longer.  Far as the "rely on older armor," maybe, but Iron Man has always been about inventing some new and overpowered toy.  Just when the bad guy thought he dominated Tony's tech, he'd come up with some new work around that would fark up their day.

I see where you're coming from though.  Maybe not the Mk1 armor, since it was made out of missile scraps, but seeing the original Mk2 come out might have been cool.  Or maybe his underwater, deep sea pressure suit was the only one operational, and had to find some way to use it to beat Mr. Flamey.
 
2014-04-08 11:15:49 AM  
Boy, I sure hope Hollywood figures out to save the super hero genre.

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2014-04-08 11:16:38 AM  

Shadowknight: ThatBillmanGuy: One more thing I will point out, is that there was a large amount of debris covering the hatch for the all the armors. As soon as the construction guys removed it, Jarvis called Tony about it. So it's not like he could have even activated it earlier. Unless people are biatching that he didn't do it before his house got missiles delivered to it, and he knew what he was up against.

Good catch.

Space Station Wagon:Loved the fight scene between Cap and Batroc.

House party looked cool but was I think a better ending would have been Tony doing clever stuff in an old and busted suit and really learning to count on his wits and will than his tech.

Yeah, that first fight was cool as hell.  Kind of wish he stayed on longer.  Far as the "rely on older armor," maybe, but Iron Man has always been about inventing some new and overpowered toy.  Just when the bad guy thought he dominated Tony's tech, he'd come up with some new work around that would fark up their day.

I see where you're coming from though.  Maybe not the Mk1 armor, since it was made out of missile scraps, but seeing the original Mk2 come out might have been cool.  Or maybe his underwater, deep sea pressure suit was the only one operational, and had to find some way to use it to beat Mr. Flamey.


Silver Centurion

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2014-04-08 11:17:49 AM  

Space Station Wagon: House party looked cool but was I think a better ending would have been Tony doing clever stuff in an old and busted suit and really learning to count on his wits and will than his tech.


And this^. It would have made far more sense of the movie's closing sentiment, that the essence of Iron Man is the man, not the suit.

One possible climax would have been for Tony to hack/pwn every system on that facility, and used them creatively to take down all of the villains, one by one, with his suit having just enough functionality to zip him from location to location.

Doing so would also have been a neat callback to the original escape from the cave, much more so than his shopping spree-fueled infiltration of the bad guys' mansion a little earlier.

But hey, at least the climax they went with had plenty of spectacle, with lots of "hey! it's THAT suit!" moments for the hard-core comic book fans.
 
2014-04-08 11:18:22 AM  

Shadowknight: Savage Belief: Ugh. Don't say that. The ending of IM3 was awful.

/SUUUUPER PEPPERRRRRR!

Eh, I didn't mind that.  I didn't like the "blow up all the suits that just saved our asses and the entire US government from being usurped and oh I fixed that character defining defect in my chest because apparently it's that easy lol" part.  Still a good movie overall, but that bugged me.

Everyone else's main criticism, why he didn't just activate the "house party" protocol from the start, I think can be explained away by a missed beat in editing.  There was probably some scene where Tony was talking to Jarvis to see if the "special project" or the house party code was done yet, and Jarvis told him almost but not yet.  At least that's how I choose to believe it, anyway, because otherwise there is a HUGE hole in the plot logic.


My biggest issue in the movie is why Tony's house didn't already have advanced defenses in place in case some bad guys with helicopters try to blow it up. Now, that can be explained away with Tony's hubris, thinking that no one would dare come after him. A line about why he kept refusing to install weapons would have been helpful.

It could have also been explained away with Tony's defenses failing for some reason (magic "hacking" for instance). But the fact that he's already made enemies as Iron Man and people know where he lives should mean that there are a few lines of defense.
 
2014-04-08 11:21:11 AM  

soporific: Shadowknight: Savage Belief: Ugh. Don't say that. The ending of IM3 was awful.

/SUUUUPER PEPPERRRRRR!

Eh, I didn't mind that.  I didn't like the "blow up all the suits that just saved our asses and the entire US government from being usurped and oh I fixed that character defining defect in my chest because apparently it's that easy lol" part.  Still a good movie overall, but that bugged me.

Everyone else's main criticism, why he didn't just activate the "house party" protocol from the start, I think can be explained away by a missed beat in editing.  There was probably some scene where Tony was talking to Jarvis to see if the "special project" or the house party code was done yet, and Jarvis told him almost but not yet.  At least that's how I choose to believe it, anyway, because otherwise there is a HUGE hole in the plot logic.

My biggest issue in the movie is why Tony's house didn't already have advanced defenses in place in case some bad guys with helicopters try to blow it up. Now, that can be explained away with Tony's hubris, thinking that no one would dare come after him. A line about why he kept refusing to install weapons would have been helpful.

It could have also been explained away with Tony's defenses failing for some reason (magic "hacking" for instance). But the fact that he's already made enemies as Iron Man and people know where he lives should mean that there are a few lines of defense.


I think it's also illegal, but we are talking about a guy who has weaponized suits in his house, and is already saying "fark legality," so that excuse doesn't work either.
 
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