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(New York Daily News)   So, after one month, how much has it cost to search for Malaysia Flight 370? Funny you should ask   (nydailynews.com) divider line 46
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2014-04-08 10:12:17 AM  
Everyone should bill Malaysia for their incompetence in the matter.
 
2014-04-08 10:17:14 AM  
if you sink a jetliner in the Indian Ocean Malaysia, let it go man, let it go.
 
2014-04-08 10:18:15 AM  
And what would those assets have cost during the same time period had they not been used in this particular search operation?
 
2014-04-08 10:20:52 AM  
$30 million?  Not nearly as bad as I thought for a month of searching.
 
2014-04-08 10:21:47 AM  
I actually thought it would be much more than that.

joness0154: $30 million?  Not nearly as bad as I thought for a month of searching.


                                                ^^ ditto ^^
 
2014-04-08 10:23:31 AM  

Monkeyfark Ridiculous: And what would those assets have cost during the same time period had they not been used in this particular search operation?


This.

I'm sure there is some extra maintenance and fuel, but I suspect the vast majority of the searchers are on salary and the equipment is already paid for. Same as those idiots sailing around the world with the baby, for that matter.
 
2014-04-08 10:30:02 AM  

Monkeyfark Ridiculous: And what would those assets have cost during the same time period had they not been used in this particular search operation?


All this ridiculous international cooperation is distracting from the usual mission of these navies. That $30 million could have gone towards some real quality posturing over disputed islands!
 
2014-04-08 10:31:14 AM  
What exactly is the point anymore?

That's a lot of money simply to scratch a curiosity itch.  Even if there are legal questions still involved... at what point is the answer not worth pursing?  It seems a little depressing to consider that the only real reasons people are continuing to search are related to perception and public relations (both of the participants in the search and the airline).

Monkeyfark Ridiculous: And what would those assets have cost during the same time period had they not been used in this particular search operation?


Probably the exact same, as they'd likely be pursuing other interests.  It's those "other interests" that aren't being pursued that is the actual "waste" of however-many-millions.
 
2014-04-08 10:43:40 AM  
How stupid. For that kind of money they could as well have bought a new one.
 
2014-04-08 10:47:56 AM  
I bet CNN has spent more than that on computer renderings of what some guy speculates could have maybe happened.
 
2014-04-08 10:49:08 AM  

Clever Neologism: What exactly is the point anymore?


Figuring out what caused an aircraft to apparently just drop out of the sky. The people still flying them are probably more than just a little curious to find out how likely theirs are to do the same thing.
 
2014-04-08 10:52:35 AM  

Chummer45: I bet CNN has spent more than that on computer renderings of what some guy speculates could have maybe happened.


CNN is unwatchable: "Breaking news: nothing new found, no new leads, no evidence, everything found to date has been false leads. More after the break."
 
2014-04-08 10:53:37 AM  

joness0154: $30 million?  Not nearly as bad as I thought for a month of searching.



a steal.  a wall street criminal can make that in a week or two.   the GOP owners can drop 30 million on ads in a couple weeks.  30 million is not what it used to be.
 
2014-04-08 10:57:53 AM  

Chummer45: I bet CNN has spent more than that on computer renderings of what some guy speculates could have maybe happened.


CGI rendering of black holes ain't cheap, yo
 
2014-04-08 10:58:27 AM  
what if we did the old losers have to pay the winner game?
 
2014-04-08 10:58:54 AM  

Monkeyfark Ridiculous: And what would those assets have cost during the same time period had they not been used in this particular search operation?


It's a reasonable question, but I doubt the planes would be flying as much as they are now and their fuel is kind of expensive.  The ships are probably also using more fuel.  It could be that some of the people are working and getting paid overtime.

What would be really bad is if one of the planes involved crashed.  We'd probably have an easier time finding it though.
 
2014-04-08 11:07:22 AM  
$30 mil! That's like a 1 week vacation for Obama.
 
2014-04-08 11:09:32 AM  
apparently the journalist and most of you here don't know what sunk cost is.
 
2014-04-08 11:18:22 AM  
237 arms and legs.
 
2014-04-08 11:32:52 AM  
Happy Shiat Stats .. pikers. Obama spent $2 trillion to coerce 97.7% of the population to cover a nubianrdly 62% of 2.3% of the population's medical expenses.

"How do you like me now?" Obama grinned.

$2  trillion
 
2014-04-08 11:36:40 AM  
Linux_Yes:

a wall street criminal can make that in a week or two.   the GOP owners can drop 30 million on ads in a couple weeks.

$30 million here, $30 million there, and before you know it, you're talking about real money.
 
2014-04-08 11:41:45 AM  
But how much has it made for the 24 hour cable whores
 
2014-04-08 11:47:37 AM  

joness0154: $30 million?  Not nearly as bad as I thought for a month of searching.


China spoiled the fun early on. No need for actual expediture when you already know the last place you'll look
 
2014-04-08 11:56:07 AM  

Clemkadidlefark: Happy Shiat Stats .. pikers. Obama spent $2 trillion to coerce 97.7% of the population to cover a nubianrdly 62% of 2.3% of the population's medical expenses.

"How do you like me now?" Obama grinned.

$2  trillion


You seem like an intelligent person with a well informed opinion and a reason to care.

Oh wait... no you don't.
 
2014-04-08 12:17:34 PM  

Noticeably F.A.T.: Clever Neologism: What exactly is the point anymore?

Figuring out what caused an aircraft to apparently just drop out of the sky. The people still flying them are probably more than just a little curious to find out how likely theirs are to do the same thing.


OK, how often does that happen, and what's the cost of every "drop out of the sky"?

Now what's the probability that, even if you found the plane, it is an addressable problem.  Don't forget to factor the failure rate of the proposed fix.

These are all risk-management variables, the math is doable and it just doesn't make sense from a spot-check.  It's unlikely to be a systemic mechanical issue in all planes of that type (it was unlikely to be mechanical at all), so you are unlikely to fix it that way.  They already screen pilots, and know about insurance scams and other motivators for the pilot to crash the plane deliberately.  They already take steps to prevent that.

I understand the PR situation, and the emotional reasons for the family, but I just don't see what pragmatically useful information could be gleaned.

The *only* thing I can figure is that the region is scared that it was terrorism, and all the governments in the area either want to make triply sure this isn't the start of airplane-centered terrorism in the Pacific/Oceania, or confirm that it is, and milk it for all it's politically worth, USA style.  Especially given that one of the countries in the area is Australia, and most of it's media is run by the same asshole who owns a network that cheerled *our* politically convenient response to terrorism... it's not out of the realm of possibility.

OK, maybe that went a little tin-foily.  But seriously... what's the pragmatic reason to continue?
 
2014-04-08 12:20:47 PM  

dinch: Clemkadidlefark: Happy Shiat Stats .. pikers. Obama spent $2 trillion to coerce 97.7% of the population to cover a nubianrdly 62% of 2.3% of the population's medical expenses.

"How do you like me now?" Obama grinned.

$2  trillion

You seem like an intelligent person with a well informed opinion and a reason to care.

Oh wait... no you don't.


And I don't think "cover" means what that 2.3% is hoping "cover" means.

Having insurance does not equate to health. So really, at best, many might only receive some peace of mind. At least until they realize that they STILL can't afford the healthcare OR the insurance.

Govt=waste & debt & cronyism.
 
2014-04-08 12:39:19 PM  
I was done when they were talking about cost per ship in terms of crew salary.

Listen, these militaries didn't go draft guys to get on these boats. They'd be paying them to do nothing if they weren't paying them to look for a plane. The only real cost is fuel.
 
2014-04-08 12:44:11 PM  

Clever Neologism: But seriously... what's the pragmatic reason to continue?


I just told you. The people who design, build and fly the things want to be as certain as possible what caused the crash. "It's unlikely to be a systemic mechanical issue in all planes of that type" and "it was unlikely to be mechanical at all" aren't acceptable answers to them.

As a passenger, you might be ok with "Yeah, one went down, but it's probably not going to affect the one you're on. We'd let you know for sure, but finding out was hard.", but most people are not.
 
2014-04-08 01:06:00 PM  
For that kind of money, you'd at least think the effing website would work.

/smh
 
2014-04-08 01:07:35 PM  
Well, those ships were going to be out and about anyways, it's more like the usual expenses that would have been incurred were finally put to productive use.
 
2014-04-08 01:17:29 PM  

joeflood: Well, those ships were going to be out and about anyways, it's more like the usual expenses that would have been incurred were finally put to productive use.


That's what I should argue the next time I get a paramedic bill, or a doctor bill.  I mean, what were they going to be doing anyway?  Just sitting around the hospital, I put their time to good use!
 
2014-04-08 01:18:10 PM  
Am the only one who doesn't understand the significance of that amount? So before the crash the collective governments had 30 million dollars which is now in the hands of other people since the search started? Was that money taken from funds earmarked for feeding the poor and cancer research? All that's happening here is currency is being circulated exactly the way it's supposed to be. Why do articles like this make money sound like a finite resource that were putting in a rocket and launching into the sun?
 
2014-04-08 01:21:29 PM  

not my gumdrop buttons: Am the only one who doesn't understand the significance of that amount? So before the crash the collective governments had 30 million dollars which is now in the hands of other people since the search started? Was that money taken from funds earmarked for feeding the poor and cancer research? All that's happening here is currency is being circulated exactly the way it's supposed to be. Why do articles like this make money sound like a finite resource that were putting in a rocket and launching into the sun?


So, you're saying we should crash more planes because it's good for the economy? Oook..

Never thought about it in quite those terms.
 
2014-04-08 01:25:24 PM  

OSULugan: joeflood: Well, those ships were going to be out and about anyways, it's more like the usual expenses that would have been incurred were finally put to productive use.

That's what I should argue the next time I get a paramedic bill, or a doctor bill.  I mean, what were they going to be doing anyway?  Just sitting around the hospital, I put their time to good use!


not my gumdrop buttons: Am the only one who doesn't understand the significance of that amount? So before the crash the collective governments had 30 million dollars which is now in the hands of other people since the search started? Was that money taken from funds earmarked for feeding the poor and cancer research? All that's happening here is currency is being circulated exactly the way it's supposed to be. Why do articles like this make money sound like a finite resource that were putting in a rocket and launching into the sun?


When there is no news to report, manufacture outrage.
 
2014-04-08 01:29:31 PM  

itsaidwhat: dinch: Clemkadidlefark: Happy Shiat Stats .. pikers. Obama spent $2 trillion to coerce 97.7% of the population to cover a nubianrdly 62% of 2.3% of the population's medical expenses.

"How do you like me now?" Obama grinned.

$2  trillion

You seem like an intelligent person with a well informed opinion and a reason to care.

Oh wait... no you don't.

And I don't think "cover" means what that 2.3% is hoping "cover" means.

Having insurance does not equate to health. So really, at best, many might only receive some peace of mind. At least until they realize that they STILL can't afford the healthcare OR the insurance.

Govt=waste & debt & cronyism.


Looks like you fish are easy to bait. Seriously, did you people think he was being real?
 
2014-04-08 01:32:48 PM  
Do airlines have some kind of insurance towards this sort of expense? Or is it just collision and Liability?
 
2014-04-08 02:28:38 PM  
7,100,000 Dollars.  Or is that Obamacare signups?
 
2014-04-08 02:41:01 PM  
30 million? Bullshiat. They spent more than that just in gas for the US Navy ships that were looking.
 
2014-04-08 03:11:26 PM  

RexTalionis: Everyone should bill Malaysia for their incompetence in the matter.


IMMA CHARGIN' MALAYSIA
 
2014-04-08 03:43:16 PM  
Less than a 500 year old Chinese teacup.

Its a bargain.
 
2014-04-08 04:23:45 PM  
For heaven's sake, somebody float an aircraft carrier out there with a "Mission Accomplished" banner so that we can be done with it!
 
2014-04-08 04:38:04 PM  
cdn.breitbart.com
Maybe they just have to find before we can see what's in it?
 
2014-04-08 05:52:01 PM  

Clever Neologism: Noticeably F.A.T.: Clever Neologism: What exactly is the point anymore?

Figuring out what caused an aircraft to apparently just drop out of the sky. The people still flying them are probably more than just a little curious to find out how likely theirs are to do the same thing.

OK, how often does that happen, and what's the cost of every "drop out of the sky"?

Now what's the probability that, even if you found the plane, it is an addressable problem.  Don't forget to factor the failure rate of the proposed fix.

These are all risk-management variables, the math is doable and it just doesn't make sense from a spot-check.  It's unlikely to be a systemic mechanical issue in all planes of that type (it was unlikely to be mechanical at all), so you are unlikely to fix it that way.  They already screen pilots, and know about insurance scams and other motivators for the pilot to crash the plane deliberately.  They already take steps to prevent that.

I understand the PR situation, and the emotional reasons for the family, but I just don't see what pragmatically useful information could be gleaned.

The *only* thing I can figure is that the region is scared that it was terrorism, and all the governments in the area either want to make triply sure this isn't the start of airplane-centered terrorism in the Pacific/Oceania, or confirm that it is, and milk it for all it's politically worth, USA style.  Especially given that one of the countries in the area is Australia, and most of it's media is run by the same asshole who owns a network that cheerled *our* politically convenient response to terrorism... it's not out of the realm of possibility.

OK, maybe that went a little tin-foily.  But seriously... what's the pragmatic reason to continue?


You should watch "Air Disasters" on Netflix. Great show, and it really shows how thorough people can be after an airplane crashes regardless of time and cost - they want to know exactly what happened and how to prevent it next time. $30M? If the next jetliner had 300 on board, and the exact same thing happened, could the cost to prevent that, $100k for each life, be worth it? Finding the plane isn't to scratch an expensive curiosity itch, it's to potentially save future lives.
 
2014-04-08 09:05:25 PM  

Clemkadidlefark: Happy Shiat Stats .. pikers. Obama spent $2 trillion to coerce 97.7% of the population to cover a nubianrdly 62% of 2.3% of the population's medical expenses.

"How do you like me now?" Obama grinned.

$2  trillion


imgs.xkcd.com
 
2014-04-08 11:17:22 PM  

bikerbob59: I actually thought it would be much more than that.

joness0154: $30 million?  Not nearly as bad as I thought for a month of searching.

                                                ^^ ditto ^^


Ibid.
 
2014-04-09 08:41:57 AM  
our leaders have given or promised 12 trillion to wall street, big companies or financial organizations since they took office a few years ago.
I would much rather thay spent 30 mil trying to do something useful

moar government shutdowns, please
 
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