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(LA Times)   Forty of the Eighty cars in an LAPD patrol division had the recording equipment tampered with. I am sure this is just because they don't want other departments finding out their outstanding investigative techniques   (latimes.com) divider line 36
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2014-04-08 09:39:18 AM  
i.chzbgr.com
 
2014-04-08 09:40:29 AM  
Internal Affairs can't prosecute what you didn't record, amirite, guys?
 
2014-04-08 09:41:22 AM  
The cars don't have a right to record them either.
 
2014-04-08 09:44:49 AM  
Sounds like they are taking the right steps to keep them from tampering with the equipment, though.
 
Skr
2014-04-08 09:44:54 AM  
This kinda of thing must have been obvious to the officers that it would be found out eventually, they just didn't give a damn. Kinda surprised audits really do work. Looks like the officers now need to verify at the start and finish of their shift that the recording equipment/antennae are intact... though I still doubt anything will become of them for further tampering -_-
 
2014-04-08 09:46:00 AM  
Nothing to see here. They're cops. Everyone knows cops cant be convicted of vandalism for damaging taxpayer-owned squad cars.
 
2014-04-08 09:49:18 AM  

labman: Sounds like they are taking the right steps to keep them from tampering with the equipment, though.


So, what is the recommended punishment for that?  How many officers, once found guilty, will be punished in a way that affects their paycheck?
 
2014-04-08 09:49:19 AM  

The more you eat the more you fart: Nothing to see here. They're cops. Everyone knows cops cant be convicted of vandalism for damaging taxpayer-owned squad cars.


That's funny right there. "taxpayer owned." Hilarious.

Walk into ANY police station in the nation and ask who owns the police cars, guarantee you they won't say "the taxpayers".
 
2014-04-08 09:50:05 AM  
The abuses in these departments will never, ever be fixed until the entire upper chain of command is fired.
 
2014-04-08 09:50:20 AM  

The more you eat the more you fart: Nothing to see here. They're cops. Everyone knows cops cant be convicted of vandalism for damaging taxpayer-owned squad cars.


They need to vacation the shiat out of those guys!
 
2014-04-08 09:50:27 AM  
But it's the 10% that make the 90% look bad.
 
2014-04-08 09:52:39 AM  
See??? All this cop hate here and almost half of cops obey the rules!
 
2014-04-08 09:55:13 AM  
The LA Pig Department is dirty?
Fetch my smelling salts and fainting couch.
 
2014-04-08 09:58:31 AM  
Fark you! What are you going to do about it?
sosickwithit.com
 
2014-04-08 10:04:51 AM  
Such bullshiat. Are you telling me that they don't store the recordings for more than two years?  And they have no records on which officer used which car over that period? It would seem to me that they should be able to do a simple search of which car, had which officer in it and be able to see a pattern of when that particular officer stopped recording video in a particular vehicle.

For instance, you should be able to see that around the 23rd of May, car 54 began sending only 6mb of files. Who was assigned to car 54 on the 23rd? Oh officer Smith. Is there a pattern here? Was this the same thing in 40 other cars? Well Smith, you're going down!

If they don't have that system in place, then they need to be able now. If they aren't, then they are negligent.

Corruption. How does that work?
 
2014-04-08 10:25:58 AM  
"Most of the antennas were removed from cars in the Southeast Division, which covers Watts, Jordan Downs and Nickerson Gardens,"

Hmm...did they not stop to think the reason many of these antennae were missing may be due to theft? Look at the areas the majority of them went missing. Hoods, projects, slums. Historically, these were the types of places people stole antennae, for the purpose of smoking crack (or potentially meth these days, but doubtful). Hell, I've seen single-shot .22 caliber pistols made out of antennae, the wide part is the exact diameter of the bullet.
 
2014-04-08 10:26:51 AM  
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
 
2014-04-08 10:29:26 AM  
Patrol supervisors will be conducting random checks to make sure the cars have antennas.

That sounds ok, I'm sure the police can keep an eye on themselves.
 
2014-04-08 10:58:55 AM  
If they have nothing to hide, they have nothing to fear from monitoring.

At least, that's what I'm being told by the NSA.
 
2014-04-08 11:00:44 AM  

croesius: "Most of the antennas were removed from cars in the Southeast Division, which covers Watts, Jordan Downs and Nickerson Gardens,"

Hmm...did they not stop to think the reason many of these antennae were missing may be due to theft? Look at the areas the majority of them went missing. Hoods, projects, slums. Historically, these were the types of places people stole antennae, for the purpose of smoking crack (or potentially meth these days, but doubtful). Hell, I've seen single-shot .22 caliber pistols made out of antennae, the wide part is the exact diameter of the bullet.


FTA: Since the new protocols went into place, only one antenna has been found missing, Smith said.

Those wacky criminals, conveniently reeling in their thefts of antennas after new protocols were enacted in order to make the police look suspect.
 
2014-04-08 12:04:58 PM  
Trade Secrets, I'm sure ..
 
2014-04-08 12:26:40 PM  
Real cops have no problem with being recorded.
 
2014-04-08 12:41:39 PM  

Dangl1ng: Such bullshiat. Are you telling me that they don't store the recordings for more than two years?  And they have no records on which officer used which car over that period? It would seem to me that they should be able to do a simple search of which car, had which officer in it and be able to see a pattern of when that particular officer stopped recording video in a particular vehicle.

For instance, you should be able to see that around the 23rd of May, car 54 began sending only 6mb of files. Who was assigned to car 54 on the 23rd? Oh officer Smith. Is there a pattern here? Was this the same thing in 40 other cars? Well Smith, you're going down!

If they don't have that system in place, then they need to be able now. If they aren't, then they are negligent.

Corruption. How does that work?


not corruption so much as cheap budget, server drive storage for video files is expensive to purchase and justify upfront to police it supervisors ( I tried for two years) most departments don't keep detailed logs on what cop drove what car on what shift, the city maintenance department a different unit will have better records on vehicle operator usage for liability and repairs. now the new coban in car camera system is very hard to tamper with, I could say how but then some dumbass badge would use it and I would feel bad.
 
2014-04-08 01:08:41 PM  

Dangl1ng: Such bullshiat. Are you telling me that they don't store the recordings for more than two years? And they have no records on which officer used which car over that period? It would seem to me that they should be able to do a simple search of which car, had which officer in it and be able to see a pattern of when that particular officer stopped recording video in a particular vehicle.

For instance, you should be able to see that around the 23rd of May, car 54 began sending only 6mb of files. Who was assigned to car 54 on the 23rd? Oh officer Smith. Is there a pattern here? Was this the same thing in 40 other cars? Well Smith, you're going down!


You misunderstand.  The missing antennas simply cut the range at which the voice recording operates.  Since it's variable based on terrain anyway you won't have any clear indication of when it was tampered with.

The real fix is to have the mics store their data until they've confirmed upload.
 
2014-04-08 01:42:37 PM  
Solution. Every officer has a full COPS recording crew with him at all times.

/♫Bad boys, bad boys, what'cha gonna do? What'cha gonna do when when they all film you?♪
 
2014-04-08 01:54:36 PM  
Can't prove I banged a hooker in back of my patrol car if theres no record.
 
2014-04-08 02:09:08 PM  
Recordings of contact with citizens and suspects on calls reduce use of force incidents and deter false claims of excessive use of force and abuse.  Certainly there are many bad officers out there who don't want their laziness, misconduct, and abuse caught so they can continue to abuse the position. I think there is a small percentage of officers this applies to, but enough to where situations like the article describes occurs to try and keep their activities hidden.

No competent officer should want to be out there on patrol without having a record available to defend his actions from attempts by individuals to get a payday.  I think there is a fear by some officers that lawful and necessary use of force can look quite ugly on camera and audio and that an officer may be held liable by a jury that through their own biases or lack of experience cannot understand the law. We all see the cop hate threads on fark and elsewhere and know it is a prevalent idea in many corners of society so the thought by many is no record is better than a record that can be twisted and used against the officer. However, it is much better to have the complete record of the incident, including the steps that led to a use of force, rather than a shaky cell phone recording of the physical violence portion that looks awful on the news and in court even if completely justified.
 
2014-04-08 02:55:36 PM  

Loren: You misunderstand. The missing antennas simply cut the range at which the voice recording operates. Since it's variable based on terrain anyway you won't have any clear indication of when it was tampered with.

The real fix is to have the mics store their data until they've confirmed upload.


I don't misunderstand though. While removing the antenna may cut the range, one should be able to surmise when there was a drastic reduction in data being transmitted home. Log Analysis. Not very hard. This is again, assuming they have logs. Which, why the fark wouldn't they? Negligence, that's why.

Duke_leto_Atredes: not corruption so much as cheap budget, server drive storage for video files is expensive to purchase and justify upfront to police it supervisors ( I tried for two years) most departments don't keep detailed logs on what cop drove what car on what shift, the city maintenance department a different unit will have better records on vehicle operator usage for liability and repairs. now the new coban in car camera system is very hard to tamper with, I could say how but then some dumbass badge would use it and I would feel bad.


That feels like a ... forgive the pun, a cop out. Ok, so the budget keeps you from storing video files, but there should be logs tracking the data sets. File size, date received, date deleted perhaps? Are you telling me my browser's history stores more data on me and my browsing habits than the legal data they are in possession of to fight corruption??? The NSA stores meta data on calls, why aren't these departments storing meta-data to fight the exact corruption that we are talking about it? Indeed, how can you even store data to protect citizens and the police officers from recrimination if you don't have a valid chain of evidence? I am flabbergasted.

And there are no logs on which officer is in which vehicle? What sort of corrupt bizzaro world is this?
 
2014-04-08 03:00:35 PM  

Daedalus27: I think there is a fear by some officers that lawful and necessary use of force can look quite ugly on camera and audio and that an officer may be held liable by a jury that through their own biases or lack of experience cannot understand the law.

 
2014-04-08 03:18:27 PM  
teamshocker.com
 
2014-04-08 03:22:43 PM  

croesius: "Most of the antennas were removed from cars in the Southeast Division, which covers Watts, Jordan Downs and Nickerson Gardens,"

Hmm...did they not stop to think the reason many of these antennae were missing may be due to theft? Look at the areas the majority of them went missing. Hoods, projects, slums. Historically, these were the types of places people stole antennae, for the purpose of smoking crack (or potentially meth these days, but doubtful). Hell, I've seen single-shot .22 caliber pistols made out of antennae, the wide part is the exact diameter of the bullet.


Antennas don't look like telescoping crack pipes anymore.

powerfulsignal.com
 
2014-04-08 05:02:40 PM  

Daedalus27: Certainly there are many bad officers out there who don't want their laziness, misconduct, and abuse caught so they can continue to abuse the position. I think there is a small large percentage of officers this applies to, but enough to where situations like the article describes occurs to try and keep their activities hidden.


FTFY.

I'd be willing to bet that there were way more officers who knew about this than those who actually participated. But of course, the code of silence prevented them from speaking out.
 
2014-04-08 05:25:04 PM  

fireclown: Daedalus27: I think there is a fear by some officers that lawful and necessary use of force can look quite ugly on camera and audio and that an officer may be held liable by a jury that through their own biases or lack of experience cannot understand the law.


no there are log files that are time coded and idexed in a secure searchable database (chain of custody) and the video is off loaded to DVD at least in the coban system for archiving. Some agencies will bypass this step to "save money" on media and just overwrite "un-needed" files. and I am as serious as a heart attack on this.
 
2014-04-08 05:35:11 PM  

Dharma Bumstead: Daedalus27: Certainly there are many bad officers out there who don't want their laziness, misconduct, and abuse caught so they can continue to abuse the position. I think there is a small large percentage of officers this applies to, but enough to where situations like the article describes occurs to try and keep their activities hidden.

FTFY.

I'd be willing to bet that there were way more officers who knew about this than those who actually participated. But of course, the code of silence prevented them from speaking out.


I would disagree about the numbers who did this but agree there were a larger number who probably knew about it.  Much like any job, you protect your own, especially when your ass may be in the hands of the person who you threw under the bus down the line.
 
2014-04-08 07:13:49 PM  
Isolated incidents. All 40 of them.
 
2014-04-09 03:09:02 AM  

Need_MindBleach: The abuses in these departments will never, ever be fixed until the entire upper chain of command is fired.


As well as all the thugs below them. They ALL need to be fired and start over fresh, without any taint of their "culture" and an entirely new set of policies, rules, and directives.
 
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