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(Boston Herald)   So, who's ready for yet another Battlestar Galactica reboot?   (bostonherald.com) divider line 175
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2014-04-07 10:45:47 PM  
If it has Katee Sackoff, count me in.
 
2014-04-07 11:00:35 PM  
And now for a word from Nancy Reagan:
"Just Say No."
 
2014-04-07 11:10:58 PM  
Eh, the 2004 series got really depressing. Something that's a little less of a bummer wouldn't be so terrible.
 
2014-04-07 11:18:08 PM  
Why? The 2004 series did it as well as you can. Granted, it totally went off the rails, but that could happen in any new reboot. What new is there to say?
 
2014-04-07 11:23:29 PM  
I'd take more Grace Park.
 
2014-04-07 11:23:54 PM  
I hear Tricia Helfer is free.
 
2014-04-07 11:27:19 PM  
I'll take one, as long as it doesn't end with the literal hand of God reaching in and entering the coordinates for Earth.

Seriously, it's not the religious element of the finale that pissed off fans. It was the sudden, inexplicable introduction of MAGIC to a science fiction universe that did it.
 
2014-04-07 11:36:02 PM  
I don't know that they could improve on season 1/2/3 of the scifi version. That was pretty damn epic.. but yeah, they sorta jumped the shark pretty hard in the end.
 
2014-04-07 11:36:32 PM  
All of this has happened before.
 
2014-04-07 11:37:23 PM  

Nix Nightbird: It was the sudden, inexplicable introduction of MAGIC to a science fiction universe that did it.


It wasn't sudden. They were rocking to Bob Dylan for at least a year or two.
 
2014-04-07 11:38:51 PM  

clancifer: I'd take more Grace Park.


Huh, Grace Park is apparently 40.  I would've guessed she was mid-20s during the BSG reboot.
 
2014-04-07 11:54:02 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: clancifer: I'd take more Grace Park.

Huh, Grace Park is apparently 40.  I would've guessed she was mid-20s during the BSG reboot.


She was. The miniseries was filmed 11 years ago.
 
2014-04-08 12:05:26 AM  

Confabulat: Nix Nightbird: It was the sudden, inexplicable introduction of MAGIC to a science fiction universe that did it.

It wasn't sudden. They were rocking to Bob Dylan for at least a year or two.


Got to agree. Baltar's Six pretty much told Baltar what they both were the very first time he asked her. It was never exactly a secret.
 
2014-04-08 12:08:57 AM  
They need to use the novels partially written by the original Apollo, Richard Hatch, as a basis for any new Battlestar Galactica projects.  They introduce some really fantastic concepts.  The second one, Warhawk, is especially good.
 
2014-04-08 12:18:45 AM  
I'd give it a shot. I loved the '04 reboot.
 
2014-04-08 12:21:01 AM  
Why don't we just get a "season 4 was just a weird cylon hallucination" and pick up the reboot from where season 3 left off.
 
2014-04-08 12:30:41 AM  

Ghastly: Why don't we just get a "season 4 was just a weird cylon hallucination" and pick up the reboot from where season 3 left off.


I liked the fan theory that Starbuck's father (the piano player) was an escaped Daniel, the "sensitive" Cylon line that Cavill wiped out, and was never seen.  It would have made sense as to why she could only sort of hear the music (half Cylon), and would have avoided the whole Angel deal.

Or she was the Cylon Danielle, and it was mistranslated as Daniel.
 
2014-04-08 12:48:47 AM  
All this has happened before, and all of it will happen again.
 
2014-04-08 12:55:35 AM  

Ghastly: Why don't we just get a "season 4 was just a weird cylon hallucination" and pick up the reboot from where season 3 left off.


There was no season 4 of BSG. I have no idea what you're speaking of.
 
2014-04-08 12:57:44 AM  

MisterTweak: There was no season 4 of BSG. I have no idea what you're speaking of.


I think we found the cylon.
 
2014-04-08 01:07:30 AM  
Simply put they are going for a film series like Star Wars and Star Trek.
 
2014-04-08 03:05:47 AM  
Can someone send Olmos over to the studio execs' office to give them "The Look?"
 
2014-04-08 03:35:39 AM  
No.
 
2014-04-08 03:41:43 AM  

knbber2: If it has Katee Sackoff, count me in.


She was topless in Riddick, is that not good enough?
 
2014-04-08 03:47:00 AM  
Sure. I personally would prefer a more classic sci-fi telling of it. I don't mind the "grittiness" of the 2004 series, but all the personal drama, religious tripe and "who's a cyclon" stuff really made the show lame IMO. I would like to just see a series about them fighting the cylons, struggling to survive as a fleet without a home and searching for Earth. The 04 series had way too many soap-opra-ish moments. I don't mind a few traitor/spy storylines, but have some clear good guys and bad guys, a coherent plot, and a logical purpose. I'm probably in the minority here given how popular shows like The Walking Dead and and Game of Thrones are, but I just don't like learning to like a character only to have him die or turn into a bad guy over and over and over and over and over. It's tiresome. Shows like SG1 or DS9 are far more to my liking. Actual story arcs with defined villains and good guys that seem to fit into a universe that mostly makes sense and seems to be going somewhere. BSG 04 just got tangled up in its own twists.
 
2014-04-08 03:48:17 AM  

DamnYankees: What new is there to say?


I don't know about "new", but what I suspect they're saying is that they're not quite ready for the rights to the IP to lapse back to whomever owned it before the SciFi-affiliated production company licensed them.

Kinda like how Sony keeps making Spider-man movies.

// Obviously I'm not privy to the details of the licensing contract, so this post is speculative.

MisterTweak: I don't know that they could improve on season 1/2/3 of the scifi version. That was pretty damn epic.. but yeah, they sorta jumped the shark pretty hard in the end.


I dunno, man, I think that thinking it was still anywhere within high-orbit distance of the rails even in season 3 may be being a bit too forgiving of the writers, there.  There was a lot of tapering-off of quality in season 2 even, and in season 3 they were well into the 'decide plot points by refrigerator magnet rearrangement' stage.

Maybe it was partially obscured by the fact that the acting was pretty good, but the fail was there.  Wasn't just the main plot-line, either, the prequel series was constructed entirely from plot-writing fail.
 
2014-04-08 03:49:26 AM  
As long as it brings back Callie, I'm in. Hopefully in some manner of space bikini.

GodComplex: knbber2: If it has Katee Sackoff, count me in.

She was topless in Riddick, is that not good enough?


MOAR.

I keep waiting for more episodes of Longmire, too.
 
2014-04-08 03:54:07 AM  
Blood and Chrome was awesome.

I didn't see why that one never got picked up.
 
2014-04-08 03:56:25 AM  
awesomegifs.com
 
2014-04-08 04:01:40 AM  
aiming to develop the film as a complete reimagining of the story.

First, I'm pretty sure reimagining isn't a word. Secondly, then call it something else, SpaceBalls 2 for example.
 
2014-04-08 04:08:49 AM  

pchouky: I hear Tricia Helfer is free.


No, she is not unless she managed to escape from the shackles in my sex dungeon.
 
2014-04-08 04:24:14 AM  
Only if they shoot the asshole who decided to hire spastic striped-ass baboons for cameramen. As much as I wanted to like the series, I couldn't watch it because it gave me migraines.
 
2014-04-08 04:24:31 AM  

PreMortem: aiming to develop the film as a complete reimagining of the story.

First, I'm pretty sure reimagining isn't a word. Secondly, then call it something else, SpaceBalls 2 for example.


The Search for More Money.
 
2014-04-08 04:36:40 AM  

PreMortem: aiming to develop the film as a complete reimagining of the story.

First, I'm pretty sure reimagining isn't a word. Secondly, then call it something else, SpaceBalls 2 for example.


It's a marketing buzzword for "remake", not a real word as such.  They keep making up new words because as soon as the bulk of the audience figures out that it means 'remake' the word immediately gains negative connotations and hurts sales.  See also 'reboot', which was a word but not a word that means that, 'spiritual successor', 'reworking' (used as a noun), etc.

It's similar to when you're boss says you need to synergize your paradigms to utilize your divergent skillsets when he means you need to talk out your differences with the people in your work-group instead of bothering him with your disagreements in the meeting.  He just wants to sound official and businessy for the benefit of  his   boss.
 
2014-04-08 04:41:10 AM  

Nix Nightbird: I'll take one, as long as it doesn't end with the literal hand of God reaching in and entering the coordinates for Earth.

Seriously, it's not the religious element of the finale that pissed off fans. It was the sudden, inexplicable introduction of MAGIC to a science fiction universe that did it.


Yeah, I guess ST:TNG did it from the first episode.
 
2014-04-08 05:10:02 AM  
Yay!

More work for Vancouver sci-fi actors!
 
2014-04-08 05:25:22 AM  

Confabulat: Nix Nightbird: It was the sudden, inexplicable introduction of MAGIC to a science fiction universe that did it.

It wasn't sudden. They were rocking to Bob Dylan for at least a year or two.


Nuh uh, it was Hendrix
 
2014-04-08 05:26:54 AM  

thecpt: Confabulat: Nix Nightbird: It was the sudden, inexplicable introduction of MAGIC to a science fiction universe that did it.

It wasn't sudden. They were rocking to Bob Dylan for at least a year or two.

Nuh uh, it was Hendrix


There must be some kinda way outta this thread, said the junkie to the thief.
 
2014-04-08 05:39:00 AM  
One more episode!
 
2014-04-08 05:40:14 AM  

taurusowner: Sure. I personally would prefer a more classic sci-fi telling of it. I don't mind the "grittiness" of the 2004 series, but all the personal drama, religious tripe and "who's a cyclon" stuff really made the show lame IMO.


BSG started the whole "clickbait" style of modern serial television. Constant mysteries and allusions and references, but never any payoff. Ooh, the Cylons have a plan! They're doing this for a reason! There is a purpose behind all this!! Just keep watching and you'll see...... and they never get around to explaining it because they're afraid if they explain everything then people will stop watching.

The biggest offenders of this are Lost and now Under the Dome! OOH, big mystery predicament for our protagonists! What's going on? What's happening? Who's doing this? No one knows. But don't worry, everything will be revealed in the final episode..... and in the finale, what happens? SOMETHING EVEN MORE MYSTERIOUS, and nothing is ever resolved or explained. You have to wait until next season where new plotlines will open up and the old ones will be forgotten or ignored..

This is not good storytelling. It is literally the art of withholding the story from you. It's like a whole show full of Ryan Seacrest "...after the break!" suspense delayers; trolling nonsense deliberately engineered to keep you watching which means nothing will ever be explained. Like Kimball is ever going to catch the one-armed man. Show would be over if that happened.

I like a good mystery/whodunit as much as the next bloke, but stretching things out for multiple seasons and solving mysteries by appealing to bigger mysteries is not good television. Aside from the fact that it's a sign that the writing team doesn't know what they're doing and they're just making shiat up as they go, It's completely obnoxious to watch.
 
2014-04-08 05:40:17 AM  

Jim_Callahan: PreMortem: aiming to develop the film as a complete reimagining of the story.

First, I'm pretty sure reimagining isn't a word. Secondly, then call it something else, SpaceBalls 2 for example.

It's a marketing buzzword for "remake", not a real word as such.  They keep making up new words because as soon as the bulk of the audience figures out that it means 'remake' the word immediately gains negative connotations and hurts sales.  See also 'reboot', which was a word but not a word that means that, 'spiritual successor', 'reworking' (used as a noun), etc.

It's similar to when you're boss says you need to synergize your paradigms to utilize your divergent skillsets when he means you need to talk out your differences with the people in your work-group instead of bothering him with your disagreements in the meeting.  He just wants to sound official and businessy for the benefit of  his   boss.



While it is a "made up word", making up words is how languages evolve.  Also, there are distictions between the terms.  When Sony rebooted Spiderman, they just started over with the origin pulling inspiration from the same source material (the decades worth of comics)  It's the same story again, but started over from the begining.  The actors are different, but the details are the same.

A reimagining is a complete retooling of the story, and while many or most of the fundamental tenets will be retained, the details are different.  The latest Superman movie, Man of Steel, was a reboot- the comic Red Son, where Kal'el crashed in Russia rather than Kansas, was a reimagining.

A complete reimagining of BSG could take the same basic premise - fleet of ships searching for a new home, harrassed by the enemy they created who drove them from their old one - and put it in a completely different context to create a different result.  For Example:

BSZ (BattleStar Zombies): Set in a future where much of the human race have cybernetic implants which connect them to the CYbernetic Logical Operations Network, granting them access to the total store of human information as well as the distributed neural processing power of every connected mind and system.  A nefarious force takes control of the network, and takes over the "Cylons", as they called themselves, overriding and shutting down their higher neural functions, leaving only basic life support functions (respiration, circulation, feeding).  Zombie Apocalypse ensues - probably without the "you get bitten you turn" angle, or using nanotech to acheive that effect if you must have it.

As the world crumbles around them, the last surviving free willed humans gather together a fleet of vehicles, centered around a military Combat Command, Support, Tactical Assistance and Recon vehicle (BattleSTAR) and set out across the wasteland in search of a place of safety to build a new home.  Along the way, they are harried and attacked by wave after wave of Cylons, sent at them by the nefarious force, as well as individual Cylons who are controlled directly by an active intelligence.  In time the nefarious force is revealed to be a Biomechanoid, Algorithmic Learning, Thinking, Autonomous Robot who reached the conclusion that the world would be better for everyone if it were running everything, and so moved to take control.
 
2014-04-08 05:58:41 AM  
I hope the whole movie is a retelling of the Wolfman Jack episode.
 
2014-04-08 06:01:50 AM  

Ishkur: taurusowner: Sure. I personally would prefer a more classic sci-fi telling of it. I don't mind the "grittiness" of the 2004 series, but all the personal drama, religious tripe and "who's a cyclon" stuff really made the show lame IMO.

BSG started the whole "clickbait" style of modern serial television. Constant mysteries and allusions and references, but never any payoff. Ooh, the Cylons have a plan! They're doing this for a reason! There is a purpose behind all this!! Just keep watching and you'll see...... and they never get around to explaining it because they're afraid if they explain everything then people will stop watching.

The biggest offenders of this are Lost and now Under the Dome! OOH, big mystery predicament for our protagonists! What's going on? What's happening? Who's doing this? No one knows. But don't worry, everything will be revealed in the final episode..... and in the finale, what happens? SOMETHING EVEN MORE MYSTERIOUS, and nothing is ever resolved or explained. You have to wait until next season where new plotlines will open up and the old ones will be forgotten or ignored..

This is not good storytelling. It is literally the art of withholding the story from you. It's like a whole show full of Ryan Seacrest "...after the break!" suspense delayers; trolling nonsense deliberately engineered to keep you watching which means nothing will ever be explained. Like Kimball is ever going to catch the one-armed man. Show would be over if that happened.

I like a good mystery/whodunit as much as the next bloke, but stretching things out for multiple seasons and solving mysteries by appealing to bigger mysteries is not good television. Aside from the fact that it's a sign that the writing team doesn't know what they're doing and they're just making shiat up as they go, It's completely obnoxious to watch.


The single biggest problem I had with the 2003 series was how the writers so obviously didn't know who the Cyons were when they introduced that whole "They look like us and are hiding amongst us" plot - which would have been fine if Cylons looked like anyone, but instead they only have 12 models, and they didn't know who the Final Five were when they realized the audience had gotten bored with the ho-hum Cylon reveals and tried to snazz it up with additional mysticism.  The entire thing with the "Final Five" was stupid, and they had to create the "lost 13th Cylon" to make it work with Grace Park being an 8 (because they let her pick any number out of 12 for her characters to have),  Maybe I'm wrong, but I feel that, as a writer, you do not present a mystery to the audience if you do not know the solution, because then when you decide a solution there are going to be problems with continuity (Like how Tyrel was a father, then oops he's a final five so he couldn't be a father, ok, recon, Kallie cheated on him)

If you say "There are 12 Cylon models hiding in the fleet" you need to know who all twelve are when you say it.  You don't even have to have fully built all those characters yet, but you at least need "Bartender on random ship" or "low ranking pilot" or whatever, so if one of them does end up being "Deck Chief on Galactica" or "Adama's second in command and oldest friend" you frakking know it before you've written 2 seasons, plus backstory that includes multiple other characters
 
2014-04-08 06:08:26 AM  
...Oh dear Lord, NO.   That last season was just completely hopeless, but as bad as it was it can't erase the first three, probably the best sci-fi that ever made it past 16 episodes.  The BEST-case scenario here is that we get one decent movie followed by two crappy ones...and I suspect that everybody will be a Cylon again.
 
2014-04-08 06:17:53 AM  

Ishkur: taurusowner: Sure. I personally would prefer a more classic sci-fi telling of it. I don't mind the "grittiness" of the 2004 series, but all the personal drama, religious tripe and "who's a cyclon" stuff really made the show lame IMO.

BSG started the whole "clickbait" style of modern serial television. Constant mysteries and allusions and references, but never any payoff. Ooh, the Cylons have a plan! They're doing this for a reason! There is a purpose behind all this!! Just keep watching and you'll see...... and they never get around to explaining it because they're afraid if they explain everything then people will stop watching.

The biggest offenders of this are Lost and now Under the Dome! OOH, big mystery predicament for our protagonists! What's going on? What's happening? Who's doing this? No one knows. But don't worry, everything will be revealed in the final episode..... and in the finale, what happens? SOMETHING EVEN MORE MYSTERIOUS, and nothing is ever resolved or explained. You have to wait until next season where new plotlines will open up and the old ones will be forgotten or ignored..

This is not good storytelling. It is literally the art of withholding the story from you. It's like a whole show full of Ryan Seacrest "...after the break!" suspense delayers; trolling nonsense deliberately engineered to keep you watching which means nothing will ever be explained. Like Kimball is ever going to catch the one-armed man. Show would be over if that happened.

I like a good mystery/whodunit as much as the next bloke, but stretching things out for multiple seasons and solving mysteries by appealing to bigger mysteries is not good television. Aside from the fact that it's a sign that the writing team doesn't know what they're doing and they're just making shiat up as they go, It's completely obnoxious to watch.


I would argue that The X-files started it. The whole "answer one question then raise 10 more" thing.
 
2014-04-08 06:25:40 AM  
Are there really no original or even semi-original stories anymore? Or is it the morons who run things can't tell a good story from a turd even if their lives depended on it? I'd have to bet it's the latter.
 
2014-04-08 06:34:35 AM  

fusillade762: Ishkur: taurusowner: Sure. I personally would prefer a more classic sci-fi telling of it. I don't mind the "grittiness" of the 2004 series, but all the personal drama, religious tripe and "who's a cyclon" stuff really made the show lame IMO.

BSG started the whole "clickbait" style of modern serial television. Constant mysteries and allusions and references, but never any payoff. Ooh, the Cylons have a plan! They're doing this for a reason! There is a purpose behind all this!! Just keep watching and you'll see...... and they never get around to explaining it because they're afraid if they explain everything then people will stop watching.

The biggest offenders of this are Lost and now Under the Dome! OOH, big mystery predicament for our protagonists! What's going on? What's happening? Who's doing this? No one knows. But don't worry, everything will be revealed in the final episode..... and in the finale, what happens? SOMETHING EVEN MORE MYSTERIOUS, and nothing is ever resolved or explained. You have to wait until next season where new plotlines will open up and the old ones will be forgotten or ignored..

This is not good storytelling. It is literally the art of withholding the story from you. It's like a whole show full of Ryan Seacrest "...after the break!" suspense delayers; trolling nonsense deliberately engineered to keep you watching which means nothing will ever be explained. Like Kimball is ever going to catch the one-armed man. Show would be over if that happened.

I like a good mystery/whodunit as much as the next bloke, but stretching things out for multiple seasons and solving mysteries by appealing to bigger mysteries is not good television. Aside from the fact that it's a sign that the writing team doesn't know what they're doing and they're just making shiat up as they go, It's completely obnoxious to watch.

I would argue that The X-files started it. The whole "answer one question then raise 10 more" thing.


Pehaps, but not nearly to the same extent. And X-Files had plenty of logical story lines that weren't dealing with the overall aliens/black oil plot. And the characters were still personable and trustworthy. You could see Scully's shift from being a skeptic assigned to spy on Mulder to being his true partner. There was no "Scully is really the Cigarette Smoking Man in disguise" reveal at the end. And even if you ignored the episodes dealing with that major arc, there were plenty of fun singular episodes to keep the series interesting and show you more about the characters. BSG had none of that. The show was 100% "clickbait"(perfect term for it btw) mystery. IMO it made the whole show just dreary and depressing. Good sci-fi shows know how to mix it up with some humor, romance, fun, and intellectual story lines. Look at DS9, TNG, SG1, the aforementioned X-Files, etc. They all had fun episodes to make you actually like the characters, or emotional ones that made you care for them as people. It broke up the monotony of the impending Dominion/Goa'uld/grey alien invasion drama. BSG didn't tell any fun, funny, or intellectual stories. It jumped from one depressing gotcha moment to another until they ran out of knives to stab people in the back with and just ended it.
 
2014-04-08 06:44:48 AM  
DamnYankees:
TuteTibiImperes: clancifer: I'd take more Grace Park.

Huh, Grace Park is apparently 40.  I would've guessed she was mid-20s during the BSG reboot.

She was. The miniseries was filmed 11 years ago.


1. Asian genes FTW
2. OMG WE'RE ALL BECOMING OLD NERDS!

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2014-04-08 06:51:37 AM  

fusillade762: I would argue that The X-files started it. The whole "answer one question then raise 10 more" thing.


To be fair, that was kind of the whole point with X-Files. It was a show about paranormal investigations, so it's entire MO was lady-or-the-tiger ambiguous endings, conflict neutral conclusions, and unanswered questions. Wouldn't be very fun otherwise.
 
2014-04-08 06:59:34 AM  
When the foundation of your science fiction story involves throwing out the fundamental principle of an entire school of science (if two organisms reproduce a viable third organism, then those two reproducers are the same species), then your science fiction is dogshiat.  BSG was the best-acted pile of completely stupid crap that's ever been on tv, imho.  Everyone involved from Day One deserves to be airlocked.
 
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