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2014-04-07 11:30:29 PM
Isn't it already some kind of regulatory violation? Has to be.
 
2014-04-07 11:43:39 PM
Given that the CA senate is run by gangsters, I wonder "cui bono?"
 
2014-04-08 12:22:32 AM
How is it not already a crime?
 
2014-04-08 12:58:23 AM
Good.
 
2014-04-08 03:17:24 AM
In mah belleh.
 
2014-04-08 04:05:38 AM

Marmilman: How is it not already a crime?


Pretty sure it is.  That's not going to stop lawmakers from taking tons of bribes...er...donations to sponsor new legislation.
 
2014-04-08 04:06:34 AM
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2014-04-08 04:11:07 AM

Marmilman: How is it not already a crime?


I suppose there are "market names" that several related species could be legally labeled the same, but there are also unrelated species that share similar meat color and texture, and some of those are labeled with the same market name. "Pacific Red Snapper" is one that comes to mind that could be all sorts of things.  It's hard to tell one white-fleshed fish from another when it's been skinned and boned and presented in pieces under plastic wrap.

It ought to be a crime, but it's so hard to enforce when there are so many different kinds of fish that hardly anybody knows about anyway. Difficulty, however, should never be an excuse for false labeling.
 
2014-04-08 04:20:39 AM
I for one, as a resident in the great state of California, and so happy they took the time and money to make sure my halibut says it's halibut. Now, I have nothing to worry about. Forget those minor problems like it hasn't rained in 4 years and it's so dry that small dogs are bursting into flame and southern Cali is about ready to invade the delta to get water. It's no longer " Thanks Obama" but "Thanks Jerry Moonchild Brown"
 
2014-04-08 04:26:50 AM
Sounds reasonable. Restaurants often palm off cheap species as expensive ones and pocket the difference. It's fraud pure and simple.
 
2014-04-08 04:28:08 AM

Active introvert: It's no longer " Thanks Obama" but "Thanks Jerry Moonchild Brown"


That's "MoonBEAM" because he had the far-fetched idea in the '70s that emergency services should use satellite communications as backup in case phone lines get cut, like they all do now.
 
2014-04-08 04:28:22 AM

zimbach: It ought to be a crime, but it's so hard to enforce when there are so many different kinds of fish that hardly anybody knows about anyway. Difficulty, however, should never be an excuse for false labeling.


Well, they've apparently worked out a solution: they made a list, and you have to call your fish the appropriate name  from that list.  "But some people call it x instead of y" is no longer a valid excuse for intentionally misleading labeling.

// Outright  incorrectlabeling, like calling your tilapia trash-fish 'catfish' or something, was already illegal.  This is addressing people using technically valid but intentionally misleading or over-general names.
 
2014-04-08 04:28:41 AM
Today's fish is trout a la creme

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dkjbMoj0JY4

img.fark.net


And yeah, it should be a crime.

In Japan, they'll even arrest corporate executives for mislabeling:

http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Ex-president+of+Meat+Hope+to+be+held+W ed nesday+over+beef+mislabeling.-a0172105004

The president of the company was sentenced to 4 years.
 
2014-04-08 04:29:47 AM
Back to Patagonian Toothfish then?
 
2014-04-08 04:30:57 AM
False labeling is often intentional to get the higher price. In the tuna/escolar example they touched on in the article, they mentioned "stomach discomfort if eaten in large amounts". If your idea of "stomach discomfort" is not being able to leave the throne for many hours and "large amounts" is a 6 oz serving, they were dead on with that description. To add insult to injury, the price difference between escolar and tuna is rather significant because no one wants to eat escolar unless they are trying to lose weight in a very misguided and costly way.

Another consideration in this is if you are an independent restaurant and are sold "tuna" and you sell it as tuna and enough of your guests order your seared tuna with wasabi cream or whatever and get sick - even when it is later found it was mislabeled escolar and NOT a food poisoning outbreak, the damage to your reputation is done. You could conceivably lose your business. Mislabeling seafood should absolutely be a crime other than whatever crime it may be already (I really don't know), but with much higher penalties. The supplier who mislabeled it is putting multiple businesses at risk. If the mislabeling is done intentionally at a restaurant - they're just jerks and absolutely deserve the same punishment.
 
2014-04-08 04:32:43 AM

Active introvert: I for one, as a resident in the great state of California, and so happy they took the time and money to make sure my halibut says it's halibut. Now, I have nothing to worry about. Forget those minor problems like it hasn't rained in 4 years and it's so dry that small dogs are bursting into flame and southern Cali is about ready to invade the delta to get water. It's no longer " Thanks Obama" but "Thanks Jerry Moonchild Brown"


It's Moonbeam. Linda Ronstadt, his then-girlfriend, hung the nickname on him in a 1978 Rolling Stone interview, calling him "her little Moonbeam".
 
2014-04-08 04:36:15 AM

Danger Avoid Death: Active introvert: I for one, as a resident in the great state of California, and so happy they took the time and money to make sure my halibut says it's halibut. Now, I have nothing to worry about. Forget those minor problems like it hasn't rained in 4 years and it's so dry that small dogs are bursting into flame and southern Cali is about ready to invade the delta to get water. It's no longer " Thanks Obama" but "Thanks Jerry Moonchild Brown"

It's Moonbeam. Linda Ronstadt, his then-girlfriend, hung the nickname on him in a 1978 Rolling Stone interview, calling him "her little Moonbeam".


I'm still waiting to hear how the Governor or legislature is supposed to repeal the drought.
 
2014-04-08 04:53:29 AM

Mithiwithi: Danger Avoid Death: Active introvert: I for one, as a resident in the great state of California, and so happy they took the time and money to make sure my halibut says it's halibut. Now, I have nothing to worry about. Forget those minor problems like it hasn't rained in 4 years and it's so dry that small dogs are bursting into flame and southern Cali is about ready to invade the delta to get water. It's no longer " Thanks Obama" but "Thanks Jerry Moonchild Brown"

It's Moonbeam. Linda Ronstadt, his then-girlfriend, hung the nickname on him in a 1978 Rolling Stone interview, calling him "her little Moonbeam".

I'm still waiting to hear how the Governor or legislature is supposed to repeal the drought.


Vote Yes on Proposition No.
 
2014-04-08 05:02:05 AM

Mithiwithi: Danger Avoid Death: Active introvert: I for one, as a resident in the great state of California, and so happy they took the time and money to make sure my halibut says it's halibut. Now, I have nothing to worry about. Forget those minor problems like it hasn't rained in 4 years and it's so dry that small dogs are bursting into flame and southern Cali is about ready to invade the delta to get water. It's no longer " Thanks Obama" but "Thanks Jerry Moonchild Brown"

It's Moonbeam. Linda Ronstadt, his then-girlfriend, hung the nickname on him in a 1978 Rolling Stone interview, calling him "her little Moonbeam".

I'm still waiting to hear how the Governor or legislature is supposed to repeal the drought.


I've heard El Nino is already on it and it just rained for like a week straight up here. This time next year I might be sitting on my roof trying to get a cell signal to whine about my house floating down the delta and my old neighbors down in SoCal will be placing bets on whose multi-million dollar house slides off the hill into the Pacific Ocean first. It's tradition!
 
2014-04-08 05:04:35 AM

Real Women Drink Akvavit: Mithiwithi: Danger Avoid Death: Active introvert: I for one, as a resident in the great state of California, and so happy they took the time and money to make sure my halibut says it's halibut. Now, I have nothing to worry about. Forget those minor problems like it hasn't rained in 4 years and it's so dry that small dogs are bursting into flame and southern Cali is about ready to invade the delta to get water. It's no longer " Thanks Obama" but "Thanks Jerry Moonchild Brown"

It's Moonbeam. Linda Ronstadt, his then-girlfriend, hung the nickname on him in a 1978 Rolling Stone interview, calling him "her little Moonbeam".

I'm still waiting to hear how the Governor or legislature is supposed to repeal the drought.

I've heard El Nino is already on it and it just rained for like a week straight up here. This time next year I might be sitting on my roof trying to get a cell signal to whine about my house floating down the delta and my old neighbors down in SoCal will be placing bets on whose multi-million dollar house slides off the hill into the Pacific Ocean first. It's tradition!


Like they say, California has four seasons: Fire, Flood, Earthquake and Riot.
 
2014-04-08 05:06:14 AM
I opened this can marked "chicken of the sea" but I'm pretty sure it was tuna!
 
2014-04-08 05:26:11 AM
Mexican Brown Shrimp

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/Former Fisherman.
 
2014-04-08 05:31:03 AM

Danger Avoid Death: Like they say, California has four seasons: Fire, Flood, Earthquake and Riot.


Or as we call it in some circles "Alternate Neighborhood Revitalization Plan".
 
2014-04-08 05:31:45 AM

Active introvert: Forget those minor problems like it hasn't rained in 4 years and it's so dry that small dogs are bursting into flame and southern Cali is about ready to invade the delta to get water.


and people say that it's the Democrats who think the government can fix anything.
 
2014-04-08 05:36:16 AM
Great headline subby.
 
2014-04-08 05:37:18 AM

zimbach: Marmilman: How is it not already a crime?

I suppose there are "market names" that several related species could be legally labeled the same, but there are also unrelated species that share similar meat color and texture, and some of those are labeled with the same market name. "Pacific Red Snapper" is one that comes to mind that could be all sorts of things.  It's hard to tell one white-fleshed fish from another when it's been skinned and boned and presented in pieces under plastic wrap.

It ought to be a crime, but it's so hard to enforce when there are so many different kinds of fish that hardly anybody knows about anyway. Difficulty, however, should never be an excuse for false labeling.


Red snapper tends to fall under "Rockfish" in our section of the food industry. Though I don't think a restaurant would label it as such. Most likely they'd call it artisan pescado blanco.
 
2014-04-08 05:47:27 AM
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Kudos, Subby.
 
2014-04-08 06:04:37 AM

Real Women Drink Akvavit: False labeling is often intentional to get the higher price.


I remember being a really little boy sitting in a fish+chip, waiting with dad for my order. This dude comes storming in with his half unwrapped order MAD AS ALL-HELL, loudly protesting that his order of snapper was, in fact, shark. He and the owner proceeded to have a massive argument.

I waz half scared, half "woah, coool".

I think it was resolved with a refund, but with the owner maintaining the dude was full of shiat and that he was not mislabeling fish. "Here's some money now get the fark out of my shop", type thing.

// CSB
 
2014-04-08 06:05:53 AM
fish+chip SHOP, sorry
 
2014-04-08 06:11:46 AM

dj_bigbird: Given that the CA senate is run by gangsters, I wonder "cui bono?"


Well, yeah...but assuming the bill isn't redundant even I have no problem with it. Caveat emptor doesn't mean much if the emptor has to be a marine biologist to caveat properly.

/too lazy to do proper latin this early
//romanes eunt domus
 
2014-04-08 06:44:50 AM
Excellent headline.  Made me laugh in the early a.m.
 
2014-04-08 06:50:11 AM

Big Ramifications: Real Women Drink Akvavit: False labeling is often intentional to get the higher price.

I remember being a really little boy sitting in a fish+chip, waiting with dad for my order. This dude comes storming in with his half unwrapped order MAD AS ALL-HELL, loudly protesting that his order of snapper was, in fact, shark. He and the owner proceeded to have a massive argument.

I waz half scared, half "woah, coool".

I think it was resolved with a refund, but with the owner maintaining the dude was full of shiat and that he was not mislabeling fish. "Here's some money now get the fark out of my shop", type thing.



Alexander Heights Fish Supply. Best F&C in the country apparently. I wound rather eat steak and bacon myself.
 
2014-04-08 07:05:22 AM
AFAIK, it's the fda they regulated seafood naming. Since they really don't have much in the way of law enforcement powers, people have been able to get away with almost anything, especially at the retail level. There are tons of articles, both academic and newspaper, on the subject.
 
2014-04-08 07:19:01 AM
Wait, those of you stating it's a crime to rip people off by selling them cheap crap for price of the more expensive stuff...

Seems to me you're also the same type to state that anyone that wants a steak well done deserved to get the worst cut but charged the same price as the more expensive cut they actually ordered because they wouldn't know the difference.

You can't have it both ways you hypocrits...
 
2014-04-08 07:26:02 AM

FullMetalPanda: Wait, those of you stating it's a crime to rip people off by selling them cheap crap for price of the more expensive stuff...

Seems to me you're also the same type to state that anyone that wants a steak well done deserved to get the worst cut but charged the same price as the more expensive cut they actually ordered because they wouldn't know the difference.

You can't have it both ways you hypocrits...


wow. you really told those people in your head what's what.
 
2014-04-08 07:27:08 AM
Common in FL to go to a restaurant and order (take your pick) and get tilapia.
 
2014-04-08 07:44:48 AM
Seems relevant here:

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2014-04-08 07:47:31 AM

log_jammin: FullMetalPanda: Wait, those of you stating it's a crime to rip people off by selling them cheap crap for price of the more expensive stuff...

Seems to me you're also the same type to state that anyone that wants a steak well done deserved to get the worst cut but charged the same price as the more expensive cut they actually ordered because they wouldn't know the difference.

You can't have it both ways you hypocrits...

wow. you really told those people in your head what's what.


It's so much easier to win arguments when you can just invent your own imaginary opponents and ascribe to them whatever views suit your fancy...
 
2014-04-08 07:49:01 AM

gfid: Today's fish is trout a la creme

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dkjbMoj0JY4

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And yeah, it should be a crime.

In Japan, they'll even arrest corporate executives for mislabeling:

http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Ex-president+of+Meat+Hope+to+be+held+W ed nesday+over+beef+mislabeling.-a0172105004

The president of the company was sentenced to 4 years.


As an American, please let me just say... What The Fark Am I Reading?  This can be a thing?  I must retreat to my fainting couch!
 
2014-04-08 08:17:32 AM
I have heard that they sometimes pass off circles of stingray fins as scallops.  Now since I love scallops and have no particular affection towards stingrays, why can't I just order stingray straight off the menu? If they taste the same, why not?
 
2014-04-08 08:23:17 AM
What difference does it make?

All seafood tastes the same.
 
2014-04-08 08:25:46 AM

Danger Avoid Death: Vote Yes on Proposition No.


I move to abstain from defeating the amendment to overturn the veto on the reversal on the Yes vote on Proposition No.
 
2014-04-08 08:27:16 AM
Just label it all as Chilean Sea Bass. We'll buy it.
 
2014-04-08 08:28:52 AM
Screw the "market name" Use Genus:species.

Trust me, we'll learn which ones mean "trout" and which ones mean "UNKNOWN FISH"
 
2014-04-08 08:29:23 AM
Why even bother mislabel it, all they have to do is have the food network run a month long special on trash fish as the next big thing.  Then they can properly label it and charge three times as much.

/Chicken wings and ribs anyone?
 
2014-04-08 08:30:13 AM
Clever, subby.
 
2014-04-08 08:33:32 AM
I got in an argument with the guy running Superior Fish just north of Detroit. He was selling Lane Snapper as Red Snapper. I recognised the markings from my time fishing in the Gulf and the different catch limits. The owner was saying all the snappers were equivalent (red, lane, Vermilion, hog) and asking what kind of red snapper I wanted. He tried to make an analogy about human eye color with that being the level of difference of the fishes. I am not even a biologist and had to facepalm.
 
2014-04-08 08:39:53 AM

Active introvert: I for one, as a resident in the great state of California, and so happy they took the time and money to make sure my halibut says it's halibut. Now, I have nothing to worry about. Forget those minor problems like it hasn't rained in 4 years and it's so dry that small dogs are bursting into flame and southern Cali is about ready to invade the delta to get water. It's no longer " Thanks Obama" but "Thanks Jerry Moonchild Brown"


Damn Obama  Brown for not firing up his weather machine.  He needs to get out there and do a rain dance or something atleast.
 
2014-04-08 08:51:26 AM

drxym: Sounds reasonable. Restaurants often palm off cheap species as expensive ones and pocket the difference. It's fraud pure and simple.


Which is why we don't need a new law to cover it.  Just some education and information.
 
2014-04-08 08:52:18 AM
So now I can order dolphin instead of Mahi  ?


/ east coaster
 
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