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(Daily Star)   Apparently it's OK to be gay as long as you're not a gay teacher that teaches his students that it's OK to be gay   (dailystar.co.uk) divider line 169
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2014-04-07 11:31:21 PM  
No, it's OK to be Takei.
 
2014-04-07 11:40:58 PM  
So he's gay. Good for him. But this is an elementary school and the subject is inappropriate.

[reads TFA]

Ah crap, it's just fundies on a witch hunt. I thought the guy was evangelizing how it's great to be gay but it's just another case of the derp in the deep south running amok. Or so this British paper claims.
 
2014-04-07 11:43:32 PM  
Keep your chicken hawk pole smokers away from our kids! This will lead to trouble. Keep pushing this and you will get push back. It will start at the voting booth.
 
2014-04-07 11:43:58 PM  
Well that's it then! The Gay Army is gonna turn all them fancy lads at Chilwell Croft Academy ,,,
Wait a mo
Chilwell Croft Academy? really?
never mind
 
2014-04-07 11:44:40 PM  
Well, where do kids go to learn it's important to respect other people as people and not whatever labels get applied to them?  Most certainly the families, whatever the religious persuasion, are failing in teaching that lesson to their kids.  Don't worry, Mr. Moffat, when the gay agenda is played out and governments around the world outlaw heterosexuality and force people to become homosexual, you'll have a proud place in society.

images.dailystar-uk.co.uk

Ooh, I'm all oogly googly at the thought!

 
2014-04-07 11:45:45 PM  
The really is what it comes down to, they're fine with homosexuals as long as they don't have to know anything about it have same sex partner they don't want you to talk about it, wanna get married to that person stop taking away their rights to kept those types in a gay ghetto, politically speaking. Really past time that sort of BS ends.
 
2014-04-07 11:46:24 PM  
Used his own books in class.  That could be seen as a conflict, no matter the subject.  Unless they kids didn't have to buy them.
 
2014-04-07 11:47:15 PM  
 
2014-04-07 11:48:28 PM  
That is so gay. Jokes aside, haters need to grow up already. You're tired of gay people getting treated like heroes for coming out? Simple solution: stop victimizing them for coming out.
 
2014-04-07 11:51:35 PM  

spamdog: The Fail reports it was mostly Muslim parents:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2598231/Gay-teacher-writes-b oo ks-challenging-homophobia-resigned-parents-complained-did-not-want-tea ch-children.html

He added: 'I came out at school in an assembly after a group of 11-year-olds held up a poster they made headed "Gay is good".
http://metro.co.uk/2014/04/07/gay-teacher-forced-to-resign-following -c omplaints-from-muslim-and-christian-parents-4691479/


And?
 
2014-04-07 11:53:05 PM  
Frankly, I'd prefer it if public school teachers refrained from taking political/theological stances in general. Feel free to be generally ethical or moral, go ahead and tell kids to be inclusive and nonjudgmental, but don't tell them that it's good/bad to be gay/straight/christian/atheist/etc.

I just talked to a teacher who was teaching a high school class on epistemology, and actually argued in front of the class that atheism was the best mode of inquiry because "religion kills people". This is the state of public education people. I hope you got yours while you still could.
 
2014-04-07 11:53:16 PM  
I guess this is how social conservatives view "revenge" for those who "force them to" bake cakes for lesbians or "firing" people for donating to support Prop 8.
 
2014-04-07 11:56:17 PM  
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/strickely dickely
 
2014-04-07 11:57:23 PM  
I thought it was slightly uncomfortable to be gay?
 
2014-04-07 11:58:39 PM  

Abacus9: And?


Oh just saying. Muslims, liberals. The decay of western society.
All them things.
 
2014-04-07 11:58:59 PM  
Isn't it wonderful that Christians and Muslims have embraced each other by the things they hate?
 
2014-04-08 12:00:41 AM  

Fubini: I just talked to a teacher who was teaching a high school class on epistemology


And yet I'm sure you'll still get bites.
 
2014-04-08 12:03:04 AM  

davidphogan: I guess this is how social conservatives view "revenge" for those who "force them to" bake cakes for lesbians or "firing" people for donating to support Prop 8.


The truth is most states do not protect LGBT individuals in job, housing or service discrimination but some how they are losing rights as others slowly and painfully gain them.
 
2014-04-08 12:03:26 AM  

montex: Isn't it wonderful that Christians and Muslims have embraced each other by the things they hate?


So much ^^THIS^^.
 
2014-04-08 12:03:40 AM  

Fubini: Frankly, I'd prefer it if public school teachers refrained from taking political/theological stances in general. Feel free to be generally ethical or moral, go ahead and tell kids to be inclusive and nonjudgmental, but don't tell them that it's good/bad to be gay/straight/christian/atheist/etc.

I just talked to a teacher who was teaching a high school class on epistemology, and actually argued in front of the class that atheism was the best mode of inquiry because "religion kills people". This is the state of public education people. I hope you got yours while you still could.


I agree, but tolerance shouldn't be a political stance, merely common sense. It's not even a new idea. "Do unto others as you'd have them do unto you". I think Spock or someone said that.

As for the "gay is good" crowd, that's not so much political as trying to make gay kids not feel marginalized. "Straight is good" is political because it marginalizes the minority. I'd be happy with "straight or gay, you're okay either way." Bi too whatever, but it's harder to rhyme it.
 
2014-04-08 12:04:09 AM  
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2014-04-08 12:05:39 AM  

Fubini: Frankly, I'd prefer it if public school teachers refrained from taking political/theological stances in general. Feel free to be generally ethical or moral, go ahead and tell kids to be inclusive and nonjudgmental, but don't tell them that it's good/bad to be gay/straight/christian/atheist/etc.


This. If you want that crap in an educational arena at all, keep in confined to elective classes in college. Not a public school where almost everyone has to go and can't opt out of your class. Teach them how to do real math, how to read and understand complex ideas, how to think critically and leave the social engineering out of it. If you want that stuff in K-12, start up your own private school. Hell, there might be some great opportunities in creating some atheist/leftist/etc private schools. But that shiat has no place being forced down public school students any more than forcing them to read the Bible in class. At least in a college, the students are paying (though not really) to be there. And it's 100% their choice to go in the first place.
 
2014-04-08 12:07:38 AM  
Otay
 
2014-04-08 12:07:55 AM  

spamdog: Abacus9: And?

Oh just saying. Muslims, liberals. The decay of western society.
All them things.


Are you blaming homosexuality on some liberal Muslim majority?
 
2014-04-08 12:09:43 AM  
As long as he didn't do something vile like donate money to a political cause six years ago that was passed by over 50% of the voters and has otherwise kept his opinions to himself in his professional capacity, then what's the problem?
 
2014-04-08 12:10:03 AM  

Abacus9: Are you blaming homosexuality on some liberal Muslim majority?


I always blame the muslims and the liberals.
 
2014-04-08 12:10:46 AM  

Mithiwithi: Fubini: I just talked to a teacher who was teaching a high school class on epistemology

And yet I'm sure you'll still get bites.


Ha! At first I read that as episiotomy.
 
2014-04-08 12:10:47 AM  

trappedspirit: I thought it was slightly uncomfortable to be gay?


Only when you sit.
 
2014-04-08 12:11:06 AM  
How old were the kids?  Possibly relevant, as I don't really think you should be talking too much about sex period with six year olds.
 
2014-04-08 12:11:39 AM  

tinfoil-hat maggie: davidphogan: I guess this is how social conservatives view "revenge" for those who "force them to" bake cakes for lesbians or "firing" people for donating to support Prop 8.

The truth is most states do not protect LGBT individuals in job, housing or service discrimination but some how they are losing rights as others slowly and painfully gain them.


I understand, but even in those that do (Oregon) they have conservatives freaking the hell out that gay people might actually want equal rights to go with their equality in marriage.  Hence, Sweet Cakes by Melissa.

In other situations they're getting pissy that donating in favor of things like Prop 8 (Mozilla's now-former CEO) might come back to bite you in the ass.

That's now being called discrimination since they don't know what that means.
 
2014-04-08 12:12:36 AM  
"But Muslim and Christian parents complained..."

No, really?  I'm shocked.  The religions of love and tolerance?  I can't believe it.
 
2014-04-08 12:14:37 AM  

Abacus9: Fubini: Frankly, I'd prefer it if public school teachers refrained from taking political/theological stances in general. Feel free to be generally ethical or moral, go ahead and tell kids to be inclusive and nonjudgmental, but don't tell them that it's good/bad to be gay/straight/christian/atheist/etc.

I just talked to a teacher who was teaching a high school class on epistemology, and actually argued in front of the class that atheism was the best mode of inquiry because "religion kills people". This is the state of public education people. I hope you got yours while you still could.

I agree, but tolerance shouldn't be a political stance, merely common sense. It's not even a new idea. "Do unto others as you'd have them do unto you". I think Spock or someone said that.

As for the "gay is good" crowd, that's not so much political as trying to make gay kids not feel marginalized. "Straight is good" is political because it marginalizes the minority. I'd be happy with "straight or gay, you're okay either way." Bi too whatever, but it's harder to rhyme it.


Yeah, OK is different than good. This guy was saying it's OK, meaning there is nothing wrong with it. He was challenging the assumption that it is bad to be gay. This helps kids. I doubt he was saying it's "good" to be gay as though it were somehow the preferable option. He wasn't taking a political stance. He was pushing acceptance and tolerance for the way people happen to be, and for that he lost his job.
 
2014-04-08 12:16:14 AM  
Imagine if he said he was ok to be heterosexual?
 
2014-04-08 12:16:46 AM  

taurusowner: Fubini: Frankly, I'd prefer it if public school teachers refrained from taking political/theological stances in general. Feel free to be generally ethical or moral, go ahead and tell kids to be inclusive and nonjudgmental, but don't tell them that it's good/bad to be gay/straight/christian/atheist/etc.

This. If you want that crap in an educational arena at all, keep in confined to elective classes in college. Not a public school where almost everyone has to go and can't opt out of your class. Teach them how to do real math, how to read and understand complex ideas, how to think critically and leave the social engineering out of it. If you want that stuff in K-12, start up your own private school. Hell, there might be some great opportunities in creating some atheist/leftist/etc private schools. But that shiat has no place being forced down public school students any more than forcing them to read the Bible in class. At least in a college, the students are paying (though not really) to be there. And it's 100% their choice to go in the first place.


This idea has no basis in reality. I'm all for teaching science, math, history and all that, but part of elementary school is about learning basic social skills, and learning to not discriminate against your peers is pretty important. Especially later in life. So shut up already with your ignorant bullshiat.
 
2014-04-08 12:18:29 AM  

Duke_leto_Atredes: Keep your chicken hawk pole smokers away from our kids! This will lead to trouble. Keep pushing this and you will get push back. It will start at the voting booth.


Hows that working out for you ?
 
2014-04-08 12:19:26 AM  
He should never have used the homoword "gay."  He should have instead simply taught his students that it's ok to be Takei.
 
2014-04-08 12:20:40 AM  

CruJones: How old were the kids?  Possibly relevant, as I don't really think you should be talking too much about sex period with six year olds.


It's not "talking about sex" to acknowledge the existence of gay people.
 
2014-04-08 12:21:33 AM  

John Buck 41: Imagine if he said he was ok to be heterosexual?


Isnt that the accepted default ?
Discrimination is rare against hetero people (unless you stick your business up other people's business)

can you name a single instance where gays have said "dont do this" ? or are you grasping on the "they dont get the right for me not to tell them what to do" straw
 
2014-04-08 12:21:35 AM  

Abacus9: So shut up already with your ignorant bullshiat.


So tolerant.
 
2014-04-08 12:22:37 AM  

Slartibartfaster: Duke_leto_Atredes: Keep your chicken hawk pole smokers away from our kids! This will lead to trouble. Keep pushing this and you will get push back. It will start at the voting booth.

Hows that working out for you ?


He's been working on a plan but I think he ran out of tissues.
 
2014-04-08 12:22:48 AM  

Danger Avoid Death: montex: Isn't it wonderful that Christians and Muslims have embraced each other by the things they hate?

So much ^^THIS^^.


Don't forget the hardcore Fundy Right love Putin since he went all orthodox christen on those gay protesters looking for "special rights' It's sad. What else can I say lot's of church members of all colors came out to support ending segregation but now I don't know how to put it, it's very divided as far as the churches go and you can bet these administrators are affiliated with a church.
 
2014-04-08 12:23:32 AM  

CruJones: How old were the kids?  Possibly relevant, as I don't really think you should be talking too much about sex period with six year olds.


They had a sex period? Was it right after home room?
 
2014-04-08 12:23:38 AM  

John Buck 41: Imagine if he said he was ok to be heterosexual?


He'd still be employed.  And you'd never have heard about it.
 
2014-04-08 12:24:09 AM  

Abacus9: This idea has no basis in reality. I'm all for teaching science, math, history and all that, but part of elementary school is about learning basic social skills, and learning to not discriminate against your peers is pretty important. Especially later in life. So shut up already with your ignorant bullshiat.


OK. I presume you're entirely supportive of elementary school teachers telling kids that it's OK to have religious beliefs and that they should be free to practice them without fear of reprisal or prejudice?

Or is this where you drag out the tired old "I'm all for tolerance...as long as you believe everything I believe" leftist horseshiat?
 
2014-04-08 12:24:50 AM  

Fafai: Abacus9: Fubini: Frankly, I'd prefer it if public school teachers refrained from taking political/theological stances in general. Feel free to be generally ethical or moral, go ahead and tell kids to be inclusive and nonjudgmental, but don't tell them that it's good/bad to be gay/straight/christian/atheist/etc.

I just talked to a teacher who was teaching a high school class on epistemology, and actually argued in front of the class that atheism was the best mode of inquiry because "religion kills people". This is the state of public education people. I hope you got yours while you still could.

I agree, but tolerance shouldn't be a political stance, merely common sense. It's not even a new idea. "Do unto others as you'd have them do unto you". I think Spock or someone said that.

As for the "gay is good" crowd, that's not so much political as trying to make gay kids not feel marginalized. "Straight is good" is political because it marginalizes the minority. I'd be happy with "straight or gay, you're okay either way." Bi too whatever, but it's harder to rhyme it.

Yeah, OK is different than good. This guy was saying it's OK, meaning there is nothing wrong with it. He was challenging the assumption that it is bad to be gay. This helps kids. I doubt he was saying it's "good" to be gay as though it were somehow the preferable option. He wasn't taking a political stance. He was pushing acceptance and tolerance for the way people happen to be, and for that he lost his job.


I understand, I was making a slightly different point. Of course it's ok, and he shouldn't have been fired. I'm saying if you're saying it's good to be gay, or straight, you're marginalizing the other group. One stance is more political than the other. It's better to say they're both good, or better yet, that it's ok either way.
 
2014-04-08 12:25:41 AM  
So I'm sure all the brave patriots who fell all overs themselves trying to be the first to blow that waterhead mozilla scumbag are going to rush to the defense of this poor teacher.

*checks thread*

Just as I suspected.

spamdog: The Fail reports it was mostly Muslim parents:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2598231/Gay-teacher-writes-b oo ks-challenging-homophobia-resigned-parents-complained-did-not-want-tea ch-children.html

He added: 'I came out at school in an assembly after a group of 11-year-olds held up a poster they made headed "Gay is good".
http://metro.co.uk/2014/04/07/gay-teacher-forced-to-resign-following -c omplaints-from-muslim-and-christian-parents-4691479/


taurusowner: Fubini: Frankly, I'd prefer it if public school teachers refrained from taking political/theological stances in general. Feel free to be generally ethical or moral, go ahead and tell kids to be inclusive and nonjudgmental, but don't tell them that it's good/bad to be gay/straight/christian/atheist/etc.

This. If you want that crap in an educational arena at all, keep in confined to elective classes in college. Not a public school where almost everyone has to go and can't opt out of your class. Teach them how to do real math, how to read and understand complex ideas, how to think critically and leave the social engineering out of it. If you want that stuff in K-12, start up your own private school. Hell, there might be some great opportunities in creating some atheist/leftist/etc private schools. But that shiat has no place being forced down public school students any more than forcing them to read the Bible in class. At least in a college, the students are paying (though not really) to be there. And it's 100% their choice to go in the first place.


Wheres all your talk of right and freedom now derps?
 
2014-04-08 12:25:45 AM  

davidphogan: tinfoil-hat maggie: davidphogan: I guess this is how social conservatives view "revenge" for those who "force them to" bake cakes for lesbians or "firing" people for donating to support Prop 8.

The truth is most states do not protect LGBT individuals in job, housing or service discrimination but some how they are losing rights as others slowly and painfully gain them.

I understand, but even in those that do (Oregon) they have conservatives freaking the hell out that gay people might actually want equal rights to go with their equality in marriage.  Hence, Sweet Cakes by Melissa.

In other situations they're getting pissy that donating in favor of things like Prop 8 (Mozilla's now-former CEO) might come back to bite you in the ass.

That's now being called discrimination since they don't know what that means.


Oh I know, although my payment in gold to Hitler using my time machine went unnoticed ; )
 
2014-04-08 12:26:29 AM  

Molavian: So tolerant.


Tolerance of intolerance will not be tolerated!
 
2014-04-08 12:29:06 AM  
Picture of the class.

3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2014-04-08 12:31:50 AM  
arnoldzwicky.s3.amazonaws.com
Nuff said
 
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