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(Fox News)   "Christians have officially become second-class citizens in the nation's largest city"   (foxnews.com) divider line 83
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2014-04-07 07:17:08 PM  
15 votes:
Just once, I'd think the people that have a personal relationship with the Creator of the Universe could have something go their way.
2014-04-07 06:34:37 PM  
9 votes:
a57.foxnews.com

You know how you can tell Todd is a better American than you?
2014-04-07 07:20:49 PM  
8 votes:
Forget about all that Christian persecution stuff. Since when is New York the second largest city?

GET ME MY CONGRESSMAN ON THE LINE. WHAT? HE'S A WOMAN??? SINCE WHEN???
2014-04-07 06:46:59 PM  
8 votes:
Wow, America's most persecuted majority is crying again. What else is news. They really seem to have a weak-ass God.
2014-04-07 07:28:32 PM  
7 votes:

Dinki: [a57.foxnews.com image 660x230]

You know how you can tell Todd is a better American than you?


Because even Down's Syndrome didn't stop him from having a successful career in "journalism."
2014-04-07 07:32:07 PM  
6 votes:

Dinki: You know how you can tell Todd is a better American than you?


That's not possible. I have a crying glittery bald eagle with an American Flag riding a Harley past the Statue of Liberty projected behind me on a 50 foot tall IMAX screen everywhere I go.

That makes the most patriotic person in the whole world.

/ It takes three electricians working overtime time to make sure its always working.
// the electricians are undocumented immigrants, so I'm not really paying overtime
/// those cheap projectors from China hardly ever catch on fire!
2014-04-07 07:27:28 PM  
6 votes:
ic.pics.livejournal.com
2014-04-07 06:26:04 PM  
6 votes:
That no one at Fox News as had a stroke because of cognitive dissonance is amazing.
2014-04-07 07:49:55 PM  
5 votes:

Xcott: Todd Starnes is probably the closest reality has ever come to the political cartoonist from the Onion.



i28.photobucket.com
2014-04-07 08:07:56 PM  
4 votes:
i1.cpcache.com
2014-04-07 07:27:45 PM  
4 votes:

Great_Milenko: Let me know when they're dragged out of their houses at 3:00 am and their entire neighborhood is burned down.  These people have no idea what persecution really is.


But this is just the beginning, don't you see that?

/Don't you?!?
2014-04-07 07:19:40 PM  
4 votes:
When god smites the city, just remember not to turn around to look.
2014-04-07 08:16:47 PM  
3 votes:

Lenny_da_Hog: foxyshadis: Churches whine about rival churches far more than atheists ever do, if there's not a single dominant one. Eventually the powers that be get sick of it and declares that you all get nothing, good day sir.

In my youth, I witnessed a major rift form between two Presbyterian churches in West Virginia after one church learned the other was using wafers instead of cubed bread for their occasional communion services.


Ah, yes. The whole wheat thins vs. croutons schism.
2014-04-07 07:50:37 PM  
3 votes:
Scrolling through the discussion here, there's one point that I don't think I saw covered, and it could be a telling one.

Didn't various evangelical groups howl and whine at the top of their lungs to support the rights of businesses not to cater to (or bake cakes for) (or rent halls to) whoever they saw fit, for whatever reason?

Bearing that in mind, all I'm getting from this is a "sauce for the goose" vibe. Or a "hoist by your own petard" vibe.  And I think they may even be cross-pollinating, creating a "sauce for your own petard" vibe.
2014-04-07 07:45:12 PM  
3 votes:
for the love of FSM, DON'T READ THE COMMENTS!
I swear my IQ dropped 8-10 points and it was never that high to begin with
2014-04-07 07:38:12 PM  
3 votes:

Dinki: [a57.foxnews.com image 660x230]

You know how you can tell Todd is a better American than you?


Wait, look at his left shoulder, is he slowly being erased? Only Marty our faith can save him!
2014-04-07 07:36:27 PM  
3 votes:
Second class? Glad to see you guys finally moving up in the world.
2014-04-07 07:26:41 PM  
3 votes:
I think the big problem is the obvious lion shortage.
2014-04-07 07:25:59 PM  
3 votes:
Pray harder.
2014-04-07 07:08:30 PM  
3 votes:
*click*

by Todd Starnes

*click*
2014-04-07 10:41:16 PM  
2 votes:

automaticman: Ever tried "renting" anything to a religious organization?


funnypicturesandstuff.com
2014-04-07 09:01:39 PM  
2 votes:
img.fark.net
2014-04-07 08:18:03 PM  
2 votes:
"A federal appeals panel has ruled that New York City has a right to ban churches from holding worship services in school buildings. In essence, it means Christians have officially become second-class citizens in the nation's largest city."


www.clubdata.com.au
"If you ain't first, you're last"
2014-04-07 08:01:57 PM  
2 votes:
It's the religion of hate, so it's okay to hate it.

also,

Dinki: [a57.foxnews.com image 660x230]

You know how you can tell Todd is a better American than you?

wac.450f.edgecastcdn.net

4.bp.blogspot.com

media.giphy.com
2014-04-07 07:54:03 PM  
2 votes:

Gulper Eel: The Christian thing to do by way of reaction is, especially in New York City, to turn the other cheek but with a heaping helping of attitude: "You call THAT weak-ass shiat persecution? Here, hit me again. HIT ME AGAIN, YA HUMP."

Does anybody under 50 use "ya hump" any more? It's woefully underutilized.


rlv.zcache.com
2014-04-07 07:52:23 PM  
2 votes:
The Christian thing to do by way of reaction is, especially in New York City, to turn the other cheek but with a heaping helping of attitude: "You call THAT weak-ass shiat persecution? Here, hit me again. HIT ME AGAIN, YA HUMP."

Does anybody under 50 use "ya hump" any more? It's woefully underutilized.
2014-04-07 07:48:06 PM  
2 votes:

treesloth: fusillade762: Pretty sure this would apply to any religion who tried to use a public building. Of course he then goes on to claim it's an assault on ALL religious freedom. Pick one, you douche, you don't get to have it both ways.

It still works... If, in fact, all religious groups would receive the same response, and one accepts the idea that this ruling makes religious groups second-class citizens, then as a subset of the category "religious" Christians become second-class citizens.  Similarly with the idea of an assault on religious freedom.  An assault on the whole, in this case, also assaults the subset.


i1.ytimg.com
2014-04-07 07:39:13 PM  
2 votes:
Todd is really a poor substitute for Talking Smegma.
2014-04-07 07:36:41 PM  
2 votes:

Confabulat: Wow, America's most persecuted majority is crying again. What else is news. They really seem to have a weak-ass God.


I'm a Christian. I believe Godnisnt weak. I believe that if God wanted to God could intervene and prevent this from happening.

Thus, I am left with the conclussion that either God supports this decision or just doesn't care one way or another about a city trying to keep their schools secular.

Frankly, I like my version of God a lot better than their version. My version isn't an asshole.
2014-04-07 07:33:43 PM  
2 votes:

Confabulat: Wow, America's most persecuted majority is crying again. What else is news. They really seem to have a weak-ass God.


Obligatory "your god hung from nails, my god owns a farking hammer" meme here.
2014-04-07 07:33:19 PM  
2 votes:

DamnYankees: Esc7: Could it be the worship services part? That the church is allowed to rent for events but not worship services?

I fail to see the distinction. If you rent a room, you can do whatever the fark you want in there as long as its not otherwise illegal.


I agree which is why I'm confused. How can you even detect worship? It almost literally happens entirely inside your head.

I could be praying RIGHT NOW.
2014-04-07 07:32:25 PM  
2 votes:

ZZ9 Plural Z Alpha: That no one at Fox News as had a stroke because of cognitive dissonance is amazing.


When Pat Robertson is spasming  in the jaws of a starving lion, I'll believe Christians are second-class citizens.

I will also name my penis "Rock of Ages".

/understand the true meaning of sacrifice, you pinheaded godbots.
2014-04-07 07:30:23 PM  
2 votes:
Damn those atheists who founded the country, developed its ideals, and wrote them down in the Bill of Rights!
2014-04-07 07:27:32 PM  
2 votes:

Dwight_Yeast: StopLurkListen: Forget about all that Christian persecution stuff. Since when is New York the second largest city?

GET ME MY CONGRESSMAN ON THE LINE. WHAT? HE'S A WOMAN??? SINCE WHEN???

"second-class citizens in the nation's largest city."

Your reading comprehension sucks.

/subby gets credit for parallelism in the headline.


GET MY ENGLISH TEACHER AND MOTHER ON THE LINE. I CAN'T BLAME MYSELF FOR THIS ONE EITHER.  OK, BLAME ALL OF SOCIETY TOO
2014-04-07 07:26:10 PM  
2 votes:
uh, aren't ALL religious people second-class citizens, by reason of their dumbassery?
2014-04-08 06:15:36 AM  
1 votes:
fusillade762:
Pretty sure this would apply to any religion who tried to use a public building. Of course he then goes on to claim it's an assault on ALL religious freedom. Pick one, you douche, you don't get to have it both ways.

No, he's right.  Only Christians are religious.

Just like how they play "Holiday Music" around the end of the year, when it's all Christmas music.  It's a passive-aggressive way to put everyone else down while pretending to be all-encompassing.
2014-04-08 05:31:55 AM  
1 votes:

Animatronik: FormatSlacker: Dirty J1: Religion doesn't belong in school, for any reason, pure and simple. Keep that in designated religious buildings and your own homes.
Or rent a community center. Stay the hell out of schools.

You must also be really big into homeopathy if you're worried about the lingering effects of letting religious organizations hold meetings in otherwise vacant buildings on weekends.  The only effect this has on any students at the school at all is to put the rent collected toward their after school activities programs.

I knew of one church that met at a middle school on weekends for lack of a building.  Otherwise, I am mostly aware of schools holding their graduations or other ceremonies in local churches. Was true of every elementary school and middle school ceremony I ever attended.  For mine, a friend specifically wore a pentagram to tick them off, but no one from the church was there to care, they were just offering the building.  I'm not aware that these churches ever charged the schools.  But we should probably outlaw letting schools use churches, too, in order to keep the religious cooties from spreading.

It's astounding that someone can use the arguments the ACLU has used to justify this, e.g. favoring one religion over others. Renting out the facility is a great way to bring in more revenue and doesnt favor a particular group necessarily. This is not manufactured by Fox, it's one more step on the road to stupid in New York.


I got the impression it was about religious service.  If a religious group wants to rent the room for a birthday party or a social group meeting then they are more than welcome.  Its about using a public school room as a church that is the problem.

I once lived on a small island, we had no church, but we did have a school and a community club (which was really the local cyclone shelter.)  The club was used on Sundays for church services, not the school.  If these churches need a place to worship then rent out a local council building for the purpose and not the local school.
2014-04-08 03:30:38 AM  
1 votes:
Waiting ...waiting ...waiting ...
i560.photobucket.com
2014-04-08 02:35:33 AM  
1 votes:

Stoker: If there were only a place, perhaps one suggested in the Bible that one could worship the lord.


Hell, if there were, I'd even say to make it exempt from property taxes just to get them out of public buildings.
2014-04-08 02:23:28 AM  
1 votes:
If there were only a place, perhaps one suggested in the Bible that one could worship the lord.
2014-04-08 12:05:35 AM  
1 votes:

Fart_Machine: genner: I want to see an atheist group try to rent the space now so we can legal precedent on wither or not it';s a religion.

What worship services do they have?


They get us confused with satanists for some reason constantly.
2014-04-07 11:54:02 PM  
1 votes:
STFU OR WE WILL BRING BACK THE LIONS, YOU SELFISH ASSHOLES.
2014-04-07 11:49:16 PM  
1 votes:
I want to see an atheist group try to rent the space now so we can legal precedent on wither or not it';s a religion.
2014-04-07 11:45:51 PM  
1 votes:

Dinki: [a57.foxnews.com image 660x230]

You know how you can tell Todd is a better American than you?


Because he's white, male, and heterosexual?
2014-04-07 10:34:26 PM  
1 votes:
heahea.org
2014-04-07 10:12:39 PM  
1 votes:
wait! wait! let me get this straight. only having 2 brain cells left I tend to... So that means, that means,, If I'm a
Christian Vegan butcher, I HAVE to sell a nice pork loin to two gay Jewish men for their Easter Dinner. Am I right!
2014-04-07 10:12:07 PM  
1 votes:
If I were them (and I know, I am not) I would rename the church, "The Community Book Club", and continue to rent out the school as a club.

I can easily hear the answers to some common questions:

Q: Why are you preaching? You can't preach in a school.
A: We aren't preaching, we are discussing.

Q: You've been discussing the Bible for three months now...I think you're a church!
A: No, we're just slow readers.

XD
2014-04-07 10:04:53 PM  
1 votes:

KenShabby: fluffy2097: As a Muslim, If they allow church in a school on Sunday, We should allow the call to prayer every day.

Just schedule the school day around them and it won't inconvenience anyone. We will pray between periods.

As a Rastafarian, I should be able to smoke weed on school grounds.

As a member of the NRA, I should be able to open carry on school grounds.


/gotta allow all of the religions if you allow one.

Don't be silly.  Being in the NRA isn't a religion.  It's a personal relationship with Charlton Heston.


Just a man and his chair.
2014-04-07 10:02:25 PM  
1 votes:

fluffy2097: As a Muslim, If they allow church in a school on Sunday, We should allow the call to prayer every day.

Just schedule the school day around them and it won't inconvenience anyone. We will pray between periods.

As a Rastafarian, I should be able to smoke weed on school grounds.

As a member of the NRA, I should be able to open carry on school grounds.


/gotta allow all of the religions if you allow one.


Don't be silly.  Being in the NRA isn't a religion.  It's a personal relationship with Charlton Heston.
2014-04-07 09:06:40 PM  
1 votes:
uberhumor.com
2014-04-07 08:46:08 PM  
1 votes:

Confabulat: Just once, I'd think the people that have a personal relationship with the Creator of the Universe could have something go their way.


/Ya, that seems to be working out well for the religious fundies in islam isn't it? They never die for their God for nothing. And he always saves them before they can be hurt...ive seen the videos. Must be all the snackbarring they do before a F15 drops a paveway on their heads.

/just saying. No disrespect to moderate fairy tale believers everywhere.
2014-04-07 08:28:36 PM  
1 votes:

jjorsett: fusillade762: By Todd Starnes

GOD DAMMIT. Can we get a farking "Starnes" tag already?

*deep breath*, OK, since I already made the click.

A federal appeals panel has ruled that New York City has a right to ban churches from holding worship services in school buildings. In essence, it means Christians have officially become second-class citizens in the nation's largest city.

Pretty sure this would apply to any religion who tried to use a public building. Of course he then goes on to claim it's an assault on ALL religious freedom. Pick one, you douche, you don't get to have it both ways.

Okay, have it your way, they're exercising viewpoint discrimination against ALL religion. Does that make it somehow less of an assholeish position?


Religion is a CHOICE, herp derp
2014-04-07 08:15:14 PM  
1 votes:

foxyshadis: Churches whine about rival churches far more than atheists ever do, if there's not a single dominant one. Eventually the powers that be get sick of it and declares that you all get nothing, good day sir.


In my youth, I witnessed a major rift form between two Presbyterian churches in West Virginia after one church learned the other was using wafers instead of cubed bread for their occasional communion services.
2014-04-07 08:10:44 PM  
1 votes:

Danger Avoid Death: Gulper Eel: The Christian thing to do by way of reaction is, especially in New York City, to turn the other cheek but with a heaping helping of attitude: "You call THAT weak-ass shiat persecution? Here, hit me again. HIT ME AGAIN, YA HUMP."

Does anybody under 50 use "ya hump" any more? It's woefully underutilized.

[rlv.zcache.com image 324x324]


The last time I heard "hump" in a sentence someone called Wednesday Hump Day at work.  But I stabbed her to death with a plastic fork, so I haven't heard it since.
2014-04-07 08:08:34 PM  
1 votes:

Dinki: [a57.foxnews.com image 660x230]

You know how you can tell Todd is a better American than you?


Because he's dating Betty Bowers?
2014-04-07 08:00:38 PM  
1 votes:

dj_bigbird: It seems that the ruling applies to all religious gatherings, not just Christians.


But it's only oppression because Christians and such as.
2014-04-07 07:58:59 PM  
1 votes:

Gyrfalcon: I'm not sure how it is in NY, but California makes the (bizarre and confusing) distinction between "limited" public forums and "designated" public forums.


Then there's Penthouse Forum.

www.hotflick.net

They printed his letter.
2014-04-07 07:58:27 PM  
1 votes:
img.fark.net
Has this been posted yet?
2014-04-07 07:58:17 PM  
1 votes:
You know, I spoke with Jesus and he told me that he'd be far happier if these churches used that rent money to help out the less-fortunate.
2014-04-07 07:56:42 PM  
1 votes:

VendorXeno: Are all these poor second class citizens also suing to finally be allowed to be taxed like everyone else?



Ohhh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no!
When we say "equality", we don't mean "Equality" equality. We just mean an "Equality" that consists of you following the rules, and us doing what we want.
2014-04-07 07:56:21 PM  
1 votes:
Let us break down the headline/quote:
Not just Christians. Not officially. They aren't being treated like second class citizens, and its the most populated city, not the largest.

So, head line should read:
have beome in the nation's city
2014-04-07 07:50:51 PM  
1 votes:

Confabulat: Wow, America's most persecuted majority is crying again. What else is news. They really seem to have a weak-ass God.


GOD is ALL POWERFUL.  This is merely SIGN OF THE END TIMES.

/Repent sinner
//the end is near
///it will happen within the next decade
////Why yes I have said this continuously since 1974
//GOD WORKS IN MYSTERIOUS WAYS
//(and now you know why I don't visit my mom)
2014-04-07 07:48:16 PM  
1 votes:
media.tumblr.com

All is as it should be, carry on...
2014-04-07 07:47:42 PM  
1 votes:
Christians who listen to Fox have become first-class suckers.
2014-04-07 07:45:45 PM  
1 votes:
I asked someone I know who rants and raves about being "persecuted" for being a Christian to explain what she meant by this supposed "persecution," and she told me it was that non-Christians have no problem saying or doing things that offend her.

So, apparently being offended = being persecuted.

Excuse me while I go bang my head on this desk over here.
2014-04-07 07:45:32 PM  
1 votes:

SilentStrider: Quit whining. Nobody cares what you think.


That's the right attitude.
2014-04-07 07:42:47 PM  
1 votes:

stewbert: But do the schools rent space to AA meetings?


Why would the auto club need to rent space at schools?
2014-04-07 07:39:20 PM  
1 votes:
Todd Starnes is probably the closest reality has ever come to the political cartoonist from the Onion.
2014-04-07 07:38:57 PM  
1 votes:

Valiente: Confabulat: Wow, America's most persecuted majority is crying again. What else is news. They really seem to have a weak-ass God.

Obligatory "your god hung from nails, my god owns a farking hammer" meme here.


Oh whatever, my god only had to hang for three days. Yours had to hang for nine.

"Even in sin you're paying retail" - Jon Stewart
2014-04-07 07:38:19 PM  
1 votes:
SHUT UP TODD
2014-04-07 07:37:31 PM  
1 votes:

The_Philosopher_King: I hope this guy has some he can sell me. He must get very good stuff. Why else would you say that about a city:

In which 70% of the population claim to be Christians.

That is home to over 6,000 churches including this guy who is the 4th largest Christian Church in the world.
[img.fark.net image 547x599]


No, no, no...  When he says "Christians", he means "True Christians"... Evangelical Christians.

/Western Branch of American Reform Presbylutheranism
2014-04-07 07:35:41 PM  
1 votes:

Dinki: [a57.foxnews.com image 660x230]

You know how you can tell Todd is a better American than you?


because he can't straighten his glasses for a head shot?
2014-04-07 07:35:12 PM  
1 votes:
I hope this guy has some he can sell me. He must get very good stuff. Why else would you say that about a city:

In which 70% of the population claim to be Christians.

That is home to over 6,000 churches including this guy who is the 4th largest Christian Church in the world.
img.fark.net
2014-04-07 07:31:13 PM  
1 votes:

skinink: Why is it that too many Christians don't understand that the Bible tells you you can worship God anywhere? The first churches were just founded for the convenience of gathering believers in one spot. That's why I hate Catholicism. They took something good and perverted it into ceremonies, worshiping idols, and worshiping men.


Catholicism is just good marketing. People like all that BS, they just gave it to them.

Like moving around Christmas and Easter to align with the pagans.
2014-04-07 07:30:20 PM  
1 votes:
Oh, he's serious? bwahahahahahahahahahahahaha.....
2014-04-07 07:30:04 PM  
1 votes:
If all third parties are equal, I want to rent a moonbounce for a gay orgy.
2014-04-07 07:26:54 PM  
1 votes:
Why is it that too many Christians don't understand that the Bible tells you you can worship God anywhere? The first churches were just founded for the convenience of gathering believers in one spot. That's why I hate Catholicism. They took something good and perverted it into ceremonies, worshiping idols, and worshiping men.
2014-04-07 07:24:53 PM  
1 votes:

StopLurkListen: Forget about all that Christian persecution stuff. Since when is New York the second largest city?

GET ME MY CONGRESSMAN ON THE LINE. WHAT? HE'S A WOMAN??? SINCE WHEN???


"second-class citizens in the nation's largest city."

Your reading comprehension sucks.

/subby gets credit for parallelism in the headline.
2014-04-07 07:24:15 PM  
1 votes:

DamnYankees: Calmamity: Because that is how the country was set up and how it runs. Don't like it? Move somewhere more politically aligned with your feelings, like Iran.

Why do you hate America?

This is false. As far as I'm aware (and its been a few months since I studied for the bar, but I'm pretty sure about this) if a school rents out its facilities to third parties, it has to permit religious institutions participate in that market.


Aha!  A Fark lawyer!  I sentence you to answer your own question!

/no, seriously, I thought as long as they didn't rent to ANY religious institution it was OK.  I'd never heard about churches falling under a third party clause.  Although I guess that makes sense in its own way.
2014-04-07 07:23:27 PM  
1 votes:
Let me know when they're dragged out of their houses at 3:00 am and their entire neighborhood is burned down.  These people have no idea what persecution really is.
2014-04-07 07:18:25 PM  
1 votes:
Why is New York City bullying Christians?

 A federal appeals panel has ruled that New York City has a right to ban churches from holding worship services in school buildings.


Because that is how the country was set up and how it runs. Don't like it? Move somewhere more politically aligned with your feelings, like Iran.

Why do you hate America?
2014-04-07 06:45:42 PM  
1 votes:
By Todd Starnes

GOD DAMMIT. Can we get a farking "Starnes" tag already?

*deep breath*, OK, since I already made the click.

A federal appeals panel has ruled that New York City has a right to ban churches from holding worship services in school buildings. In essence, it means Christians have officially become second-class citizens in the nation's largest city.

Pretty sure this would apply to any religion who tried to use a public building. Of course he then goes on to claim it's an assault on ALL religious freedom. Pick one, you douche, you don't get to have it both ways.
2014-04-07 06:43:42 PM  
1 votes:
Quit whining. Nobody cares what you think.
 
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