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2014-04-08 09:02:49 AM  

timswar: Valiente: Confabulat: Wow, America's most persecuted majority is crying again. What else is news. They really seem to have a weak-ass God.

Obligatory "your god hung from nails, my god owns a farking hammer" meme here.

Oh whatever, my god only had to hang for three days. Yours had to hang for nine.

"Even in sin you're paying retail" - Jon Stewart


I know. That was sort of the point. Religion is sports fandom with slightly more genital mutilation and stupid hats.
 
2014-04-08 09:04:35 AM  
OMG I can't believe this, finally a case of real oppression!!

*RTFA*

*brain explodes from hyperboyle*
 
2014-04-08 09:06:30 AM  

EnderWiggnz: Dinki: [a57.foxnews.com image 660x230]

You know how you can tell Todd is a better American than you?

because he can't straighten his glasses for a head shot?


His glasses aren't the problem--his head is lopsided.
 
2014-04-08 09:06:47 AM  

reprobate1125: Dirty J1: Religion doesn't belong in school, for any reason, pure and simple. Keep that in designated religious buildings and your own homes.
Or rent a community center. Stay the hell out of schools.

I get that...and if they ban all religious groups, as a Christian, I don't take it personally.

I just think it's dumb to have buildings sit empty.  I think those buildings should be used 7 days a week.

I also think churches should be used 7 days a week. If you meet on Sunday, rent your building to an adventist group that meets on Saturday.


I think churches should be taxed like every other corporation. Can I hear an Amen?
 
2014-04-08 09:07:00 AM  

Valiente: timswar: Valiente: Confabulat: Wow, America's most persecuted majority is crying again. What else is news. They really seem to have a weak-ass God.

Obligatory "your god hung from nails, my god owns a farking hammer" meme here.

Oh whatever, my god only had to hang for three days. Yours had to hang for nine.

"Even in sin you're paying retail" - Jon Stewart

I know. That was sort of the point. Religion is sports fandom with slightly more genital mutilation and stupid hats.


The hats are awesome. You say what you want about the sports fandom but do not dis those fantastic hats.
 
2014-04-08 09:13:49 AM  

timswar: Valiente: timswar: Valiente: Confabulat: Wow, America's most persecuted majority is crying again. What else is news. They really seem to have a weak-ass God.

Obligatory "your god hung from nails, my god owns a farking hammer" meme here.

Oh whatever, my god only had to hang for three days. Yours had to hang for nine.

"Even in sin you're paying retail" - Jon Stewart

I know. That was sort of the point. Religion is sports fandom with slightly more genital mutilation and stupid hats.

The hats are awesome. You say what you want about the sports fandom but do not dis those fantastic hats.


"For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hats, eternal in the Greater Tri-city Area."
 
2014-04-08 09:14:35 AM  
The New York CLU says that the existence of church services in a public building sends the message that the government endorses that religion. This is stretching Engel v. Vitale and the Lemon Test to a ridiculous degree. How would anyone be aware of the "endorsement" without attending the services? It's not like they're putting up a sign outside saying "Jesus is Lord, Pastor Cletus Kadiddlefark presiding." Are people in New York so sensitive that the sight of people arriving at a school building on a Sunday morning is going to make them fear there's an established church in America?

Meanwhile, in Georgia, the ACLU is constantly having to remind local governments not to discriminate against churches (not because they're anti-Christian; they're just stupid).
 
2014-04-08 09:16:00 AM  

fusillade762: By Todd Starnes

GOD DAMMIT. Can we get a farking "Starnes" tag already?

*deep breath*, OK, since I already made the click.

A federal appeals panel has ruled that New York City has a right to ban churches from holding worship services in school buildings. In essence, it means Christians have officially become second-class citizens in the nation's largest city.

Pretty sure this would apply to any religion who tried to use a public building. Of course he then goes on to claim it's an assault on ALL religious freedom. Pick one, you douche, you don't get to have it both ways.


You're free to choose any number of ways to worship Jesus Christ as your savior.
 
2014-04-08 09:16:59 AM  

DamnYankees: Calmamity: Because that is how the country was set up and how it runs. Don't like it? Move somewhere more politically aligned with your feelings, like Iran.

Why do you hate America?

This is false. As far as I'm aware (and its been a few months since I studied for the bar, but I'm pretty sure about this) if a school rents out its facilities to third parties, it has to permit religious institutions participate in that market.


Not any more, apparently.
 
2014-04-08 09:18:08 AM  

svanmeter: Christophobia or any such hatred is sad. Hatred does not cease by hatred, but only by love; this is the eternal rule.

Buddha


I'm not at all afraid of Christ. Actually, has anybody seen him around? Based on the stories he seemed like a nice guy.
 
2014-04-08 09:23:49 AM  

trappedspirit: "When a school is converted to a church in this way, it sends a powerful message to students and the community at large that the government favors that particular church,"

That's funny, when my old high school started renting to a church for Sunday service and I learned they were having church on the gymnasium bleachers my first thought was, "What a sad church that can't even make it on their own" and "I farted there"

But hey, it sends a powerful message about government and stuff.


Yes, to thinking adults.
 
2014-04-08 09:38:30 AM  
FTA:  "Somebody should explain to Ms. Lieberman that there's a difference between freedom of religion and freedom from religion. "

No, not really.  Freedom of religion has to include NONE of the ABOVE.

If not, the implication is everyone MUST pick a religion.
 
2014-04-08 09:39:42 AM  
Next up on Fox: Muslims may try to hold "prayer session" terrorism meetings in our schools! Demand that the government stop them!
 
2014-04-08 11:06:01 AM  
It's a slippery slope guys....

When religious gatherings are outlawed in schools only outlaws in school will have religious gatherings...

...I think?
 
2014-04-08 11:09:16 AM  
fusillade762:

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Sadly, I don't know the reference.  I'm sure it's quite clever, though.
 
2014-04-08 01:13:44 PM  

Confabulat: Wow, America's most persecuted majority is crying again. What else is news. They really seem to have a weak-ass God.


I think I need a tee shirt for that one
 
2014-04-08 01:25:40 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: You're free to choose any number of ways to worship Jesus Christ as your savior.



I'm sure you meant to type FSM there...or that Satan fellow. What a pleasant gent. Only a wee bit rape-y and given to bouts of interesting violence. Quite Old Testament, actually, if you're into that. Then there's the rockin' party duo, Thor and Bachas. What a combo.


Who, exactly, saved us from what, exactly?


Xtians. The other sad, self-delusional, dingbats crying about how nobody gives them special treatment for their dementia.
 
2014-04-08 01:46:36 PM  
Late to the game and don't want to get in the middle of the fight between the holy rollers and the sane people but I really do want to know was the church using the school for free?
 
2014-04-08 03:44:19 PM  

DamnYankees: Lsherm: DamnYankees: Ignoring the idiocy of TFA, this law does seem flatly unconstitutional.

Not if they refuse to rent to everybody.  At least that's my understanding.  There's also something about "compelling government interest" which one of the Fark lawyers can address, but that might not apply here.  I think that's the reasoning behind letting parochial schools use public buses.

I am a Fark lawyer. And I agree with you about renting to everybody. But the law seems to contemplate the opposite - that they will rent to everyone EXCEPT churches.


Note the language of the law - Churches. Not Mosques, Temples, or Synagogues. Churches. That language is meant to target a subset of religious people, and prevent them from doing what others can freely do, and that is patently unconstitutional.
 
2014-04-08 04:00:33 PM  
Basically no one is allowed to hold a religious service at the school. They can rent the space for any other reason they want whether they are religious or secular. I don't see how this is unequal. Everyone has the same restrictions.
 
2014-04-08 04:20:05 PM  
washington-babylon:
Note the language of the law - Churches. Not Mosques, Temples, or Synagogues. Churches. That language is meant to target a subset of religious people, and prevent them from doing what others can freely do, and that is patently unconstitutional.

Are you actually suggesting that you think that they would allow a muslim leader to set up a religious service in the same gym that they just got a ruling stopping christians from setting up religious services??

Seriously? Because that would be the dumbest thing posted on Fark today.

/Think about it ... there is a lot of epic stupidity posted every day and you're gonna win this round.
 
2014-04-08 05:35:32 PM  

washington-babylon: DamnYankees: Lsherm: DamnYankees: Ignoring the idiocy of TFA, this law does seem flatly unconstitutional.

Not if they refuse to rent to everybody.  At least that's my understanding.  There's also something about "compelling government interest" which one of the Fark lawyers can address, but that might not apply here.  I think that's the reasoning behind letting parochial schools use public buses.

I am a Fark lawyer. And I agree with you about renting to everybody. But the law seems to contemplate the opposite - that they will rent to everyone EXCEPT churches.

Note the language of the law - Churches. Not Mosques, Temples, or Synagogues. Churches. That language is meant to target a subset of religious people, and prevent them from doing what others can freely do, and that is patently unconstitutional.


Citation needed.

/from what I've gathered, it's "religious services" not churches.
//Thread went full derp, something that should never happen
 
2014-04-08 09:11:33 PM  
If the mole-hill won't come to Mohammed, Mohammed will just have to go to the mole-hill.
 
2014-04-08 09:20:00 PM  

omeganuepsilon: washington-babylon: DamnYankees: Lsherm: DamnYankees: Ignoring the idiocy of TFA, this law does seem flatly unconstitutional.

Not if they refuse to rent to everybody.  At least that's my understanding.  There's also something about "compelling government interest" which one of the Fark lawyers can address, but that might not apply here.  I think that's the reasoning behind letting parochial schools use public buses.

I am a Fark lawyer. And I agree with you about renting to everybody. But the law seems to contemplate the opposite - that they will rent to everyone EXCEPT churches.

Note the language of the law - Churches. Not Mosques, Temples, or Synagogues. Churches. That language is meant to target a subset of religious people, and prevent them from doing what others can freely do, and that is patently unconstitutional.

Citation needed.

/from what I've gathered, it's "religious services" not churches.
//Thread went full derp, something that should never happen


Per Lenny_da_hog,

Lenny_da_Hog: Weaver95: as long as the ban applies to all religious groups across the board, I don't see a problem with it.
It does.
NY law says schools can be used for community purposes, but that all of those purposes must be non-exclusive and open to the public. In its policies, NYC contain a specific prohibition for using them for any and all religious promotions and services,

1. Pursuant to New York Educ. Law § 414 (McKinney 2002), a school district or local school board may permit school facilities to be used during nonschool hours for a wide variety of purposes, including:
holding social, civic and recreational meetings and entertainments, and other uses pertaining to the welfare of the community; but such meetings, entertainment and uses shall be non-exclusive and shall be open to the general public.
N.Y. Educ. Law § 414(1)(c).
County School District No. 10 adopted this standard as part of its Standard Operating Procedures (SOP). The district's SOP, however, adds a prohibition against the use of school property for "religious services or religious instruction," Bronx Household of Faith v. Board of Education (Bronx II), No. 01-Civ-8598
 
2014-04-08 09:25:54 PM  
Unlikely tag out to lunch?
 
2014-04-08 09:47:20 PM  
It's been said here before, but it bears repeating:  Starnes has the most punchable face ever.
 
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