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2014-04-07 06:26:04 PM
That no one at Fox News as had a stroke because of cognitive dissonance is amazing.
 
2014-04-07 06:34:37 PM
a57.foxnews.com

You know how you can tell Todd is a better American than you?
 
2014-04-07 06:37:48 PM
It seems that the ruling applies to all religious gatherings, not just Christians.

insert pacman "we're being oppressed" graphic here.
 
2014-04-07 06:43:42 PM
Quit whining. Nobody cares what you think.
 
2014-04-07 06:45:42 PM
By Todd Starnes

GOD DAMMIT. Can we get a farking "Starnes" tag already?

*deep breath*, OK, since I already made the click.

A federal appeals panel has ruled that New York City has a right to ban churches from holding worship services in school buildings. In essence, it means Christians have officially become second-class citizens in the nation's largest city.

Pretty sure this would apply to any religion who tried to use a public building. Of course he then goes on to claim it's an assault on ALL religious freedom. Pick one, you douche, you don't get to have it both ways.
 
2014-04-07 06:46:59 PM
Wow, America's most persecuted majority is crying again. What else is news. They really seem to have a weak-ass God.
 
2014-04-07 06:48:26 PM

dj_bigbird: It seems that the ruling applies to all religious gatherings, not just Christians.

insert pacman "we're being oppressed" graphic here.


The legal term for the phenomenon is "disparate impact"

If they're renting space to other groups and denying churches the same access--pretty discriminatory.
 
2014-04-07 06:53:23 PM
Ignoring the idiocy of TFA, this law does seem flatly unconstitutional.
 
2014-04-07 06:59:43 PM

DamnYankees: Ignoring the idiocy of TFA, this law does seem flatly unconstitutional.


Something, something, church, something, state.

I know a guy who used to be an elementary school principal. He refused to rent the school gym to any religious organizations because if he did for one, he'd have to do it for all (Moonies, KKK, etc). He got death threats for doing this.
 
2014-04-07 07:08:30 PM
*click*

by Todd Starnes

*click*
 
2014-04-07 07:17:08 PM
Just once, I'd think the people that have a personal relationship with the Creator of the Universe could have something go their way.
 
2014-04-07 07:18:25 PM
Why is New York City bullying Christians?

 A federal appeals panel has ruled that New York City has a right to ban churches from holding worship services in school buildings.


Because that is how the country was set up and how it runs. Don't like it? Move somewhere more politically aligned with your feelings, like Iran.

Why do you hate America?
 
2014-04-07 07:19:31 PM

Calmamity: Because that is how the country was set up and how it runs. Don't like it? Move somewhere more politically aligned with your feelings, like Iran.

Why do you hate America?


This is false. As far as I'm aware (and its been a few months since I studied for the bar, but I'm pretty sure about this) if a school rents out its facilities to third parties, it has to permit religious institutions participate in that market.
 
2014-04-07 07:19:40 PM
When god smites the city, just remember not to turn around to look.
 
2014-04-07 07:20:49 PM
Forget about all that Christian persecution stuff. Since when is New York the second largest city?

GET ME MY CONGRESSMAN ON THE LINE. WHAT? HE'S A WOMAN??? SINCE WHEN???
 
2014-04-07 07:21:22 PM

DamnYankees: Ignoring the idiocy of TFA, this law does seem flatly unconstitutional.


Not if they refuse to rent to everybody.  At least that's my understanding.  There's also something about "compelling government interest" which one of the Fark lawyers can address, but that might not apply here.  I think that's the reasoning behind letting parochial schools use public buses.
 
2014-04-07 07:23:27 PM
Let me know when they're dragged out of their houses at 3:00 am and their entire neighborhood is burned down.  These people have no idea what persecution really is.
 
2014-04-07 07:24:13 PM
Wouldn't renting space for worship (of any religion) be a good way for poor schools to raise a little dough?

/as others have pointed out, I don't see how this rule makes Christians in particular second-class citizens, since it bans religious worship, not just Christians
 
2014-04-07 07:24:15 PM

DamnYankees: Calmamity: Because that is how the country was set up and how it runs. Don't like it? Move somewhere more politically aligned with your feelings, like Iran.

Why do you hate America?

This is false. As far as I'm aware (and its been a few months since I studied for the bar, but I'm pretty sure about this) if a school rents out its facilities to third parties, it has to permit religious institutions participate in that market.


Aha!  A Fark lawyer!  I sentence you to answer your own question!

/no, seriously, I thought as long as they didn't rent to ANY religious institution it was OK.  I'd never heard about churches falling under a third party clause.  Although I guess that makes sense in its own way.
 
2014-04-07 07:24:21 PM

Lsherm: DamnYankees: Ignoring the idiocy of TFA, this law does seem flatly unconstitutional.

Not if they refuse to rent to everybody.  At least that's my understanding.  There's also something about "compelling government interest" which one of the Fark lawyers can address, but that might not apply here.  I think that's the reasoning behind letting parochial schools use public buses.


I am a Fark lawyer. And I agree with you about renting to everybody. But the law seems to contemplate the opposite - that they will rent to everyone EXCEPT churches.
 
2014-04-07 07:24:37 PM

Lsherm: DamnYankees: Ignoring the idiocy of TFA, this law does seem flatly unconstitutional.

Not if they refuse to rent to everybody.  At least that's my understanding.  There's also something about "compelling government interest" which one of the Fark lawyers can address, but that might not apply here.  I think that's the reasoning behind letting parochial schools use public buses.


............but they don't refuse to rent to everybody just religious organizations.
 
2014-04-07 07:24:53 PM

StopLurkListen: Forget about all that Christian persecution stuff. Since when is New York the second largest city?

GET ME MY CONGRESSMAN ON THE LINE. WHAT? HE'S A WOMAN??? SINCE WHEN???


"second-class citizens in the nation's largest city."

Your reading comprehension sucks.

/subby gets credit for parallelism in the headline.
 
2014-04-07 07:25:00 PM
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DamnYankees: Calmamity: Because that is how the country was set up and how it runs. Don't like it? Move somewhere more politically aligned with your feelings, like Iran.

Why do you hate America?

This is false. As far as I'm aware (and its been a few months since I studied for the bar, but I'm pretty sure about this) if a school rents out its facilities to third parties, it has to permit religious institutions participate in that market.


This sound reasonable.
 
2014-04-07 07:25:16 PM

Lsherm: /no, seriously, I thought as long as they didn't rent to ANY religious institution it was OK.  I'd never heard about churches falling under a third party clause.  Although I guess that makes sense in its own way.


You can't discriminate between religious and non-religious institutions at all. I'm not a civil rights lawyer, but I'm pretty sure that's the law.
 
2014-04-07 07:25:59 PM
Pray harder.
 
2014-04-07 07:26:10 PM
uh, aren't ALL religious people second-class citizens, by reason of their dumbassery?
 
2014-04-07 07:26:41 PM
I think the big problem is the obvious lion shortage.
 
2014-04-07 07:26:54 PM
Why is it that too many Christians don't understand that the Bible tells you you can worship God anywhere? The first churches were just founded for the convenience of gathering believers in one spot. That's why I hate Catholicism. They took something good and perverted it into ceremonies, worshiping idols, and worshiping men.
 
2014-04-07 07:27:28 PM
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2014-04-07 07:27:32 PM

Dwight_Yeast: StopLurkListen: Forget about all that Christian persecution stuff. Since when is New York the second largest city?

GET ME MY CONGRESSMAN ON THE LINE. WHAT? HE'S A WOMAN??? SINCE WHEN???

"second-class citizens in the nation's largest city."

Your reading comprehension sucks.

/subby gets credit for parallelism in the headline.


GET MY ENGLISH TEACHER AND MOTHER ON THE LINE. I CAN'T BLAME MYSELF FOR THIS ONE EITHER.  OK, BLAME ALL OF SOCIETY TOO
 
2014-04-07 07:27:45 PM

Great_Milenko: Let me know when they're dragged out of their houses at 3:00 am and their entire neighborhood is burned down.  These people have no idea what persecution really is.


But this is just the beginning, don't you see that?

/Don't you?!?
 
2014-04-07 07:28:00 PM

BravadoGT: dj_bigbird: It seems that the ruling applies to all religious gatherings, not just Christians.

insert pacman "we're being oppressed" graphic here.

The legal term for the phenomenon is "disparate impact"

If they're renting space to other groups and denying churches the same access--pretty discriminatory.


If they're renting space to other RELIGIOUS GROUPS and denying churches it's discriminatory. If they have a consistently-applied prohibition on denying space to all religious groups their simply following the Establishment Clause
 
2014-04-07 07:28:06 PM

DamnYankees: Calmamity: Because that is how the country was set up and how it runs. Don't like it? Move somewhere more politically aligned with your feelings, like Iran.

Why do you hate America?

This is false. As far as I'm aware (and its been a few months since I studied for the bar, but I'm pretty sure about this) if a school rents out its facilities to third parties, it has to permit religious institutions participate in that market.


Could it be the worship services part? That the church is allowed to rent for events but not worship services?

/IANAL, which is why I ask.
 
2014-04-07 07:28:32 PM

Dinki: [a57.foxnews.com image 660x230]

You know how you can tell Todd is a better American than you?


Because even Down's Syndrome didn't stop him from having a successful career in "journalism."
 
2014-04-07 07:28:49 PM
Evangelical Christians don't get to make all the rules and tell everyone else what to do so now they're oppressed.

It's like that big fat kid who keeps hitting everyone and someone tells him he can't do it anymore and he starts crying.
 
2014-04-07 07:29:07 PM

Esc7: Could it be the worship services part? That the church is allowed to rent for events but not worship services?


I fail to see the distinction. If you rent a room, you can do whatever the fark you want in there as long as its not otherwise illegal.
 
2014-04-07 07:30:04 PM
If all third parties are equal, I want to rent a moonbounce for a gay orgy.
 
2014-04-07 07:30:20 PM
Oh, he's serious? bwahahahahahahahahahahahaha.....
 
2014-04-07 07:30:23 PM
Damn those atheists who founded the country, developed its ideals, and wrote them down in the Bill of Rights!
 
2014-04-07 07:30:33 PM
If you listen to Fox "News" your part of the problem.
 
2014-04-07 07:31:05 PM

DamnYankees: Esc7: Could it be the worship services part? That the church is allowed to rent for events but not worship services?

I fail to see the distinction. If you rent a room, you can do whatever the fark you want in there as long as its not otherwise illegal.


The distinction may be that the school only rents to third parties in furtherance of some educational interest.
 
2014-04-07 07:31:06 PM
By Todd Starnes

cry moar
 
2014-04-07 07:31:13 PM

skinink: Why is it that too many Christians don't understand that the Bible tells you you can worship God anywhere? The first churches were just founded for the convenience of gathering believers in one spot. That's why I hate Catholicism. They took something good and perverted it into ceremonies, worshiping idols, and worshiping men.


Catholicism is just good marketing. People like all that BS, they just gave it to them.

Like moving around Christmas and Easter to align with the pagans.
 
2014-04-07 07:31:29 PM
But do the schools rent space to AA meetings?
 
2014-04-07 07:32:07 PM

Dinki: You know how you can tell Todd is a better American than you?


That's not possible. I have a crying glittery bald eagle with an American Flag riding a Harley past the Statue of Liberty projected behind me on a 50 foot tall IMAX screen everywhere I go.

That makes the most patriotic person in the whole world.

/ It takes three electricians working overtime time to make sure its always working.
// the electricians are undocumented immigrants, so I'm not really paying overtime
/// those cheap projectors from China hardly ever catch on fire!
 
2014-04-07 07:32:25 PM

ZZ9 Plural Z Alpha: That no one at Fox News as had a stroke because of cognitive dissonance is amazing.


When Pat Robertson is spasming  in the jaws of a starving lion, I'll believe Christians are second-class citizens.

I will also name my penis "Rock of Ages".

/understand the true meaning of sacrifice, you pinheaded godbots.
 
2014-04-07 07:32:30 PM
Religion doesn't belong in school, for any reason, pure and simple. Keep that in designated religious buildings and your own homes.
Or rent a community center. Stay the hell out of schools.
 
2014-04-07 07:33:14 PM
The ban is constitutional, but I don't understand the purpose of the law. Nobody is using the school on Sundays so why not rent out the space. An atheist must have heard about the churches being there and caught the vapors.
 
2014-04-07 07:33:19 PM

DamnYankees: Esc7: Could it be the worship services part? That the church is allowed to rent for events but not worship services?

I fail to see the distinction. If you rent a room, you can do whatever the fark you want in there as long as its not otherwise illegal.


I agree which is why I'm confused. How can you even detect worship? It almost literally happens entirely inside your head.

I could be praying RIGHT NOW.
 
2014-04-07 07:33:24 PM

firefly212: DamnYankees: Esc7: Could it be the worship services part? That the church is allowed to rent for events but not worship services?

I fail to see the distinction. If you rent a room, you can do whatever the fark you want in there as long as its not otherwise illegal.

The distinction may be that the school only rents to third parties in furtherance of some educational interest.


Ok but that's not what the law says here. The law in this case just flatly excludes religious organizations.
 
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