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2014-04-07 09:00:53 PM
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2014-04-07 09:01:08 PM
So Christians don't believe in gravity either? Cause that's the only way what they say would actually be true.
 
2014-04-07 09:01:35 PM
I can't help but wonder if Kaku gave a very long interview he thought might have an impact on them and they hacked the shiat out of it to get him to sue so they can benefit from the publicity.
 
2014-04-07 09:03:42 PM

pippi longstocking: So Christians don't believe in gravity either? Cause that's the only way what they say would actually be true.


See, science can't even figure out gravity! Stuff falls down, duh! Big theory...
 
2014-04-07 09:04:28 PM
So, that Voyager episode where Janeway and Tom Paris de-evolved into slugs and f*cked and had slug babies is going to be the SECOND most retarded thing she has ever acted in?
 
2014-04-07 09:04:44 PM

Ehcks: Callous: Ehcks: Deedeemarz: Pimparoo: Much more bothered by the fact Dr. Michio Kaku would be in something like this. The Star Trek lady can say she was just acting.

You would hope a theoretical physicist would be smarter than this.

Surely he had no idea that this nut job was going to be pro-geocentrism!!! I hope....

I can't seem to find any of the scientists or even Mulgrew making statements about this movie. The movie had its first screening today, according to their facebook page, but no one involved in any sense has posted anything on any of their social media pages.

It feels weird to want information faster than the internet can provide it.

Would you?  It either shows that you're a big enough fool to get suckered into participating in this or you are a big enough fool to believe it.

I would at least attempt to distance myself from it, because people are certainly asking them about the movie.


Distancing yourself might violate a contract.  I'm referring more to Mulgrew because I'm sure she got paid to narrate.  I'm still puzzled by Kaku's appearance unless like I said before they took him completely out of context to try and induce a lawsuit.
 
2014-04-07 09:05:38 PM
I don't know what the fark Michio Kaku is doing in this shiat but I'm hoping he's the dissenting voice. Although derpsters aren't exactly known for allowing dissent.
 
2014-04-07 09:08:56 PM

ciberido: Repo Man: Waiting to see if the Farkette who proudly proclaims her belief her belief in this nonsense makes an appearance ITT. I've never seen her try and defend it though, she just shiats and runs, kinda like a certain BMW guy.

Everyone knows that the Earth was spat out of a giant 3D printer, anyway.

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QA is gone man, let it go.
 
2014-04-07 09:09:21 PM
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2014-04-07 09:10:02 PM

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2014-04-07 09:11:34 PM

fusillade762: Igor Jakovsky: LemSkroob: Pimparoo: Much more bothered by the fact Dr. Michio Kaku would be in something like this. The Star Trek lady can say she was just acting.

You would hope a theoretical physicist would be smarter than this.

Michio Kaku is a brilliant guy, but the dude is bordering on savant territory. He can recite (and then correct and rewrite) science textbooks by heart, but he can't remember people he met dozens of times before. He is also easily startled and confused a lot. I wouldnt be surprised if he has no idea what the film is about outside of his segment.

Dr Kaku used to appear fairly regularly on Fox news when physics and astronomy were being discussed. It might be the first time some of their viewers were exposed to actual science.

I wonder if he would have a court case for misrepresenting his views? Though they probably just asked him about dark matter/energy and as soon as he says science doesn't understand them yet they cut away to someone else who says "SEE, SCIENCE IS WRONG!!!"


Actually they would just ask him some questions he would answer and that would be it. These appearances were done live. He talked about string theory and extraterrestrial life possibilities among other things from the few times i saw him on there
 
2014-04-07 09:13:55 PM

cannotsuggestaname: Eddie Adams from Torrance: Geo-centrists might actually be dumber than Creationists.

At least with creationism, it's all about interpreting (well ignoring actually) evidence of the past.

To see that the the planets orbit about the Sun, all you have to do is go outside and farking LOOK!


where do they fit in as compared to Flat Earthers though? That's the real question here.


At least the Flat Earth Society has great taste in music.
 
2014-04-07 09:14:18 PM
How do the nut jobs explain Earth's seasons in a geocentric model?
 
2014-04-07 09:17:00 PM

FlashHarry: Eddie Adams from Torrance: Geo-centrists might actually be dumber than Creationists.

i'm guessing a venn diagram of the two looks like a single circle.


Not even close.
 
2014-04-07 09:21:11 PM

Close2TheEdge: WTFDYW: Um. Isn't it possible that she does not believe that shiat at all but is just getting paid for reading a script?

It is one thing to lend your voice to a fantasy film.  It's another thing to lend your voice to a "documentary" that is pure fantasy.

Sorry, she doesn't get off the hook on the excuse of picking up a check.  If she actually believes this nonsense, I've lost all respect for her as a person.


I'm sure she will be crying all over condo payment when she finds out.
 
2014-04-07 09:22:12 PM
She probably got offered a fair amount of money to do it, and she probably knows as much about science as most actors do. To be fair, a lot of the "science" on Star Trek is BS, too.
 
2014-04-07 09:25:30 PM
She sounds like a muppet
 
2014-04-07 09:25:45 PM
 
2014-04-07 09:26:54 PM
1 in 4 don't know the Earth orbits the Sun? Bullshiat. No way. Even if Farkers are 4 times as smart as the average American you'd have heard from a dozen or so in this thread. Think about it. Do any of you KNOW anyone who is a geocentrist? I know 911 Truthers, UFOlogists, and people who plan their life by the tarot, and I STILL don't know anyone who thinks everything revolves around the Earth.
Anybody know a geocentrist? Anybody?

You got trolled.
 
2014-04-07 09:28:15 PM

Satanus Maximus: How do the nut jobs explain Earth's seasons in a geocentric model?


They don't.  It is already explained.

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2014-04-07 09:29:20 PM

trappedspirit: She sounds like a muppet


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2014-04-07 09:29:35 PM
A town not too far from where I grew up was the home of one of the early luminaries of the Flat Earth Society.  There is an event honoring him every year, along with some debate as to whether or not he was trolling.

As for Mulgrew, feh.  She was perfect for that annoying hypocrite Janeway, and is the sole reason I stopped watching Voyager.

And Avery Brooks can be as insane as he wants, as long he keeps his lovely voice.
 
2014-04-07 09:32:04 PM

blacksho89: 1 in 4 don't know the Earth orbits the Sun? Bullshiat. No way. Even if Farkers are 4 times as smart as the average American you'd have heard from a dozen or so in this thread. Think about it. Do any of you KNOW anyone who is a geocentrist? I know 911 Truthers, UFOlogists, and people who plan their life by the tarot, and I STILL don't know anyone who thinks everything revolves around the Earth.
Anybody know a geocentrist? Anybody?

You got trolled.


Most of the people who can't answer that question never think about it and don't CARE if the earth revolves around the sun. They're not geocentric, they're just ignorant and guessing. My guess is Kate Mulgrew fits in that camp; a lot of actors are amazingly uneducated and incurious.
 
2014-04-07 09:45:06 PM
I was surprised when I learned how conservative Mulgrew is, because throughout her career she's modeled herself after Katharine Hepburn, to the point where's she's blatantly aping her mannerisms and look. But Hepburn was very liberal her whole life, and her mother was one of the original founders of Planned Parenthood, while Mulgrew is rabidly anti-choice.
 
2014-04-07 09:45:15 PM
The important thing is that William Shatners reputation as a man of science has not been damaged.
 
2014-04-07 09:46:26 PM

Eddie Adams from Torrance: Geo-centrists might actually be dumber than Creationists.


Would like a word:

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2014-04-07 09:51:26 PM

Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: I'll admit it. I'm part of the one in four who believes that the sun - and the entire universe - revolves around the Earth.

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Look at this diagram. Earth is clearly in the center. I don't know how you can argue with that.


I can argue it.  I just went outside and looked.  I don't see any large purple circles anywhere up there.  your photo is obviously 'shopped.
 
2014-04-07 09:52:38 PM

katfairy: A town not too far from where I grew up was the home of one of the early luminaries of the Flat Earth Society.  There is an event honoring him every year, along with some debate as to whether or not he was trolling.

As for Mulgrew, feh.  She was perfect for that annoying hypocrite Janeway, and is the sole reason I stopped watching Voyager.

And Avery Brooks can be as insane as he wants, as long he keeps his lovely voice.


Captain Sisko got way cooler once he lost the hair, grew the goatee and became Hawk from Spenser For Hire. Now if they could have just given him a cool pair of shades.

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2014-04-07 09:52:45 PM

Serious Post on Serious Thread: cannotsuggestaname: Blues_X: I think it's her making a house payment.

she has a starring role in Orange is the New Black series on Netflix.

Oooh! Netflix!

She'll never want again given the tens of hundreds of dollars that will wrack up!

She's an ACTRESS. For about $50 I could probably get her to leave an outgoing VM message for me saying the earth is 'turtles all the way down'.

[note to K.M., I will pay you $50 for that service, for realsies]


Smalltalk 80 is objects all the way down, at least until you hit the aforementioned turtles.
 
2014-04-07 09:54:39 PM

Parthenogenetic: Satanus Maximus: How do the nut jobs explain Earth's seasons in a geocentric model?

They don't.  It is already explained.

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I've never quite gotten where you get "flat earth" from Genesis.

/then again, I don't see it as a science book
 
2014-04-07 09:56:14 PM

Danger Avoid Death: katfairy: A town not too far from where I grew up was the home of one of the early luminaries of the Flat Earth Society.  There is an event honoring him every year, along with some debate as to whether or not he was trolling.

As for Mulgrew, feh.  She was perfect for that annoying hypocrite Janeway, and is the sole reason I stopped watching Voyager.

And Avery Brooks can be as insane as he wants, as long he keeps his lovely voice.

Captain Sisko got way cooler once he lost the hair, grew the goatee and became Hawk from Spenser For Hire. Now if they could have just given him a cool pair of shades.

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Actually, that was the look he wanted from the start.  It just took him a while to talk the suits into letting him do it.  And while shades might have been cool, when I consider some of the abominations the costuming department came up with, I'm just as glad they left them out.
 
2014-04-07 09:57:54 PM

Too Pretty For Prison: Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: I'll admit it. I'm part of the one in four who believes that the sun - and the entire universe - revolves around the Earth.

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Look at this diagram. Earth is clearly in the center. I don't know how you can argue with that.

I can argue it.  I just went outside and looked.  I don't see any large purple circles anywhere up there.  your photo is obviously 'shopped.


You're both wrong; I just looked out the window and I don't see the sun at all!  All I see is a bunch of grey with some blue here and there. Therefore, the sun does not revolve around us because there is no sun. Wake up, sheeple.
 
2014-04-07 10:02:24 PM

Superjew: Monkeyfark Ridiculous: Astorix: Her dog whine voice is the main reason I refused to watch Voyager.

Agreed. And it isn't like she's a good actor with a grating voice. She's terrible. It is incredible that anyone ever gave her a role in anything.

We could have had Susan Gibney.  She was on the short list until Mulgrew up and Melisandre'd her way into the captain's chair.  :(

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Well played...

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2014-04-07 10:05:48 PM

Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: I'll admit it. I'm part of the one in four who believes that the sun - and the entire universe - revolves around the Earth.

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Look at this diagram. Earth is clearly in the center. I don't know how you can argue with that.


Even Cosmos admitted we are the center of the observable universe.   You can't see farther in one direction than you can in any other.  I was in the center of a fog cloud once.
 
2014-04-07 10:08:24 PM
It's anti-science.
It's fiction.
It's Janeway leading everyone off in the wrong direction and getting everybody lost.

She fits right in.
 
2014-04-07 10:16:27 PM
With very few exceptions, one really shouldn't look to actors (or actresses) for opinions on science or politics.

I meant that should be obvious, but yet here we are....
 
2014-04-07 10:28:41 PM
286 posts and I'm the first? Fark, I am disappoint.

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2014-04-07 10:39:17 PM
Surprising since her husband is a liberal Democrat from Ohio. Figured Hagan wouldn't be keen on this crap.
 
2014-04-07 10:39:43 PM
Nice.  I haven't been this far into left field since I heard about the guy who actually believed that the earth was flat - and ran the flat earth society out of a trailer in the desert.

Until, of course, the trailer caught fire and burned his wife to death. THAT truly made me sad.
 
2014-04-07 10:41:01 PM

ZZ9 Plural Z Alpha: Geocentrism is still a thing people believe? That's off the potato scale level derp.


It's called "Biblical Astronomy" nowadays.  The proponents tend to be either fundamentalists who bother to extend their biblical literalism beyond evolution and the flood, or right-wing Catholics who don't actually believe that the sun goes around the Earth, but believe that no pope should ever back down on any any issue.
 
2014-04-07 10:47:27 PM

stuhayes2010: Both sides are right since motion is relative to observer as stated by Galileo and Einstein.  Choose a frame of reference that suits you. It's called a Galilean transformation.


You're vaguely right.  They're both right regarding their observations, and their observations are indeed identical, differing only on what object you choose as an origin.  However, with regard to modelling the observations, the geocentrists choose the model that's more complicated and has less explanatory power.  That is, they choose the wrong model.  And the choice of model is really what is being debated here, not the observations.  So, they're wrong.

Degenz: Dumbass news writer. The Earth doesn't "revolve" around the Sun, it orbits our Sol (star). Celestial bodies revolve upon an axis and orbit other bodies of greater mass and gravity.


No, they're correct. The word you were expecting is "rotate".  The Earth "revolves" around the Sun while it "rotates" around its own axis. Hypercorrection strikes again..

Circusdog320:

Geocentric theory blown...

Unfortunately, I don't know if this would be enough to convince a geocentrist (though I'm not sure if anything would convince them).  That is, the phases of Venus would appear the same whether we assumed a geocentric or heliocentric projection.  They can always weasel out and say "Oh, yeah, Venus orbits the sun like the moon orbits the earth" and they've dodged your criticism while still being able to technically claim a geocentrist view.

For me, the best approach is to simply point out that the heliocentric model is easy to describe with pretty good accuracy (just integrate position over time with regard to momentum and newton's gravity function).  Modelling the geocentric model is also easy.. you just use the heliocentric model and transform the coordinates so Earth is at the center *rimshot*.

Modelling geocentrism without defining it in terms of heliocentrism, however, requires epicycles and just isn't that accurate, especially when you consider general relativity.  Modelling anything complex, like unstable 3+ body systems using epicycles.. well, that would melt my brain.

For fun, here's a simulation recorded with the earth as center.

http://youtu.be/bloVS0GPbiU

When viewed on the scale of years, it's plain to see how absurdly complex the geocentric model would need to be in order to be correct.  Especially compared to heliocentric motion, which I didn't include because it'd just be a bunch of unchanging ellipses.
 
2014-04-07 11:11:48 PM
I always imagined Janeway bumming smokes off Chakotay.
 
2014-04-07 11:16:44 PM

falkone32: stuhayes2010: Both sides are right since motion is relative to observer as stated by Galileo and Einstein.  Choose a frame of reference that suits you. It's called a Galilean transformation.

You're vaguely right.  They're both right regarding their observations, and their observations are indeed identical, differing only on what object you choose as an origin.  However, with regard to modelling the observations, the geocentrists choose the model that's more complicated and has less explanatory power.  That is, they choose the wrong model.  And the choice of model is really what is being debated here, not the observations.  So, they're wrong.

Degenz: Dumbass news writer. The Earth doesn't "revolve" around the Sun, it orbits our Sol (star). Celestial bodies revolve upon an axis and orbit other bodies of greater mass and gravity.

No, they're correct. The word you were expecting is "rotate".  The Earth "revolves" around the Sun while it "rotates" around its own axis. Hypercorrection strikes again..

Circusdog320:

Geocentric theory blown...

Unfortunately, I don't know if this would be enough to convince a geocentrist (though I'm not sure if anything would convince them).  That is, the phases of Venus would appear the same whether we assumed a geocentric or heliocentric projection.  They can always weasel out and say "Oh, yeah, Venus orbits the sun like the moon orbits the earth" and they've dodged your criticism while still being able to technically claim a geocentrist view.

For me, the best approach is to simply point out that the heliocentric model is easy to describe with pretty good accuracy (just integrate position over time with regard to momentum and newton's gravity function).  Modelling the geocentric model is also easy.. you just use the heliocentric model and transform the coordinates so Earth is at the center *rimshot*.

Modelling geocentrism without defining it in terms of heliocentrism, however, requires epicycles and just isn't that accurate, especia ...


Geocentricism should be considered grounds for institutionalization. It is on the level of saying you're a pink rabbit and so everyone should call you George and worship you as king.
 
2014-04-07 11:33:26 PM
I guess this goes to show you don't need to be a rocket scientist to graduate from Star Fleet Academy.
 
2014-04-07 11:45:06 PM

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Did The Muppet Show originate the "...in...SPAAAACE" gimmick, or did they get it from somewhere else?
 
2014-04-07 11:49:59 PM

LoneWolf343: Geocentricism should be considered grounds for institutionalization. It is on the level of saying you're a pink rabbit and so everyone should call you George and worship you as king.


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2014-04-07 11:51:06 PM

stuhayes2010: Both sides are right since motion is relative to observer as stated by Galileo and Einstein.  Choose a frame of reference that suits you. It's called a Galilean transformation.


Um, no.  Einstein understood the concept of inertial frames of reference, which you apparently don't.  Also, he would have had a problem with the stars whipping around at many, many times the speed of light in order circle the Earth every 24 hours at such incredible distances.
 
2014-04-08 12:03:20 AM

FlashHarry: conservative is one thing. batshiat crazy is another.


Actually, no.
 
2014-04-08 12:03:30 AM

LoneWolf343: Geocentricism should be considered grounds for institutionalization. It is on the level of saying you're a pink rabbit and so everyone should call you George and worship you as king.



That's not true. The superiority of a heliocentric model is not some kind of straightforward immediately-perceptible truth that is staring you in the face every time you look at the sky. Most people accept it because it's what they've been taught, not because they'd have the first clue how to justify that position.
 
2014-04-08 12:08:27 AM

fusillade762: ciberido: Repo Man: Waiting to see if the Farkette who proudly proclaims her belief her belief in this nonsense makes an appearance ITT. I've never seen her try and defend it though, she just shiats and runs, kinda like a certain BMW guy.

Everyone knows that the Earth was spat out of a giant 3D printer, anyway.

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QA is gone man, let it go.


I has a sad.  There was a certain zesty zaniness to it all.
 
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