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2014-04-07 05:07:23 PM  
so what's the bet here? alcoholism? drug abuse? she's obviously un-hirable in hollywood.
 
2014-04-07 05:09:12 PM  

FlashHarry: so what's the bet here? alcoholism? drug abuse? she's obviously un-hirable in hollywood.


Her voice alone makes me contemplate suicide.
 
2014-04-07 05:11:01 PM  
Geocentrism is still a thing people believe? That's off the potato scale level derp.
 
2014-04-07 05:11:17 PM  
I think it's her making a house payment.
 
2014-04-07 05:11:38 PM  
She stars on Orange is the New Black, which is pretty successful. I'm also currently listening to her narrate Joe Hill's NOS4A2 and she's really pretty terrific once you get Janeway out of your head.

She doesn't seem to be struggling. Maybe she's just insane.
 
2014-04-07 05:16:10 PM  

Confabulat: Maybe she's just insane.


this is certainly a possibility. after all, hollywood has produced class-a nutbags like michael moriarty, victoria jackson and chuck norris.
 
2014-04-07 05:18:51 PM  
I thought it was well known she's a very conservative in her beliefs.
 
2014-04-07 05:20:13 PM  

optikeye: I thought it was well known she's a very conservative in her beliefs.


conservative is one thing. batshiat crazy is another.
 
2014-04-07 05:27:02 PM  
encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com

Anti-semite!
 
2014-04-07 05:29:49 PM  

FlashHarry: this is certainly a possibility. after all, hollywood has produced class-a nutbags like michael moriarty

Canadian via Detroit. Rose to fame on a show filmed and set in NYC.

victoria jackson

Floridian. Did work the comedy circuit in Hollywood, but rose to fame on SNL, filmed in NYC.

and chuck norris.

I'll give you that one.

 
2014-04-07 05:31:35 PM  
All I heard her say is "Everything we know about the universe is wrong". Considering about half the talking heads there are talking about dark matter and NOT geocentrism I think it's possible she wasn't aware of the nature of what she signed up for. I certainly think Michio Kaku can't be happy with having his position misrepresented.

Maybe they all thought it was a parody move? Or maybe it IS a parody movie?
 
2014-04-07 05:37:19 PM  
Which is sad given how good for science other Star Trek alums have been.

/as an arbitrary frame of reference sure
//as a claim of physical reality, notsomuch
 
2014-04-07 05:39:46 PM  

Gecko Gingrich: FlashHarry: this is certainly a possibility. after all, hollywood has produced class-a nutbags like michael moriarty

Canadian via Detroit. Rose to fame on a show filmed and set in NYC.

victoria jackson

Floridian. Did work the comedy circuit in Hollywood, but rose to fame on SNL, filmed in NYC.

and chuck norris.

I'll give you that one.


hollywood in the sense of 'the entertainment industry.'

i realize that most entertainers were not born on the corner of santa monica and vine.
 
2014-04-07 05:40:20 PM  
i.imgflip.com
 
2014-04-07 05:40:37 PM  
She's got to be just picking up a cheque.
 
2014-04-07 05:42:03 PM  

Blues_X: I think it's her making a house payment.


she has a starring role in Orange is the New Black series on Netflix.
 
2014-04-07 05:42:55 PM  
Geo-centrists might actually be dumber than Creationists.

At least with creationism, it's all about interpreting (well ignoring actually) evidence of the past.

To see that the the planets orbit about the Sun, all you have to do is go outside and farking LOOK!
 
2014-04-07 05:45:08 PM  

Eddie Adams from Torrance: Geo-centrists might actually be dumber than Creationists.


i'm guessing a venn diagram of the two looks like a single circle.
 
2014-04-07 05:46:33 PM  

Eddie Adams from Torrance: Geo-centrists might actually be dumber than Creationists.

At least with creationism, it's all about interpreting (well ignoring actually) evidence of the past.

To see that the the planets orbit about the Sun, all you have to do is go outside and farking LOOK!



where do they fit in as compared to Flat Earthers though? That's the real question here.
 
2014-04-07 05:47:34 PM  
In addition to Mulgrew, who played Capt. Kathryn Janeway in "Star Trek: Voyager" and "Star Trek: Nemeis," the film features several scientists, including Michio Kaku.

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"making a science movie? i'll be in it, but it'll cost you $200 and all the M&Ms i can eat."
 
2014-04-07 05:48:56 PM  

DjangoStonereaver: She's got to be just picking up a cheque.


Or, as Sir Larry would say, "You show up, you remember your lines, you say the words, you pick up the check."
 
2014-04-07 05:49:48 PM  
pffffttt... what utter bullsh*t

/everyone knows the world revolves around Donald Trump
//just ask that thing eating his head
 
2014-04-07 05:51:50 PM  

Eddie Adams from Torrance: To see that the the planets orbit about the Sun, all you have to do is go outside and farking LOOK!


Really? I would submit that, one, that's precisely what got us an Earth-centic model of the universe to begin with, and two, even if one were to agree with the current "Earth is not the center of the universe" model we have, simply walking outside and looking would be but the first in a very long and somewhat complicated list of steps one would need to accomplish.
 
2014-04-07 05:59:18 PM  

Eddie Adams from Torrance: To see that the the planets orbit about the Sun, all you have to do is go outside and farking LOOK!


well, i think it was the elliptical orbits of the planets (and the seemingly retrograde motion that caused) that got copernicus and kepler to figure out heliocentrism, so you'd need to be pretty smart to just figure it out by looking.
 
2014-04-07 06:09:04 PM  

cannotsuggestaname: Eddie Adams from Torrance: Geo-centrists might actually be dumber than Creationists.

At least with creationism, it's all about interpreting (well ignoring actually) evidence of the past.

To see that the the planets orbit about the Sun, all you have to do is go outside and farking LOOK!

where do they fit in as compared to Flat Earthers though? That's the real question here.


The Flat Earth thing should be out the window after your first plane ride. Geocentrism isn't quite as easy. So Flat Earthers are dumber.
 
2014-04-07 06:16:32 PM  

OtherLittleGuy: DjangoStonereaver: She's got to be just picking up a cheque.

Or, as Sir Larry would say, "You show up, you remember your lines, you say the words, you pick up the check."


Or Michael Caine: "I have never seen it, but by all accounts it is terrible. However I have seen the house that it built and it is terrific."
 
2014-04-07 06:21:17 PM  
How do we know he just doesn't like juice?

/sounds like a conspiracy to me
 
2014-04-07 06:21:30 PM  
It's called a paycheck submitter.  You know the kind of thing that keeps decent, hard working people off of welfare.  You should try getting one, you might like it.
 
2014-04-07 06:21:31 PM  

DjangoStonereaver: She's got to be just picking up a cheque.


Not knowing anything else about her, if I were offered a gig to narrate something like this, I'd do it for exactly that reason. The chances that the filmmaker will actually convince of his dumbass theory is low, so the "harm" you're doing is relatively inconsequential. And it's always advisable to take the opportunity to separate a nutcase from his money whenever possible, lest he spend it on something that might actually be effective. And hey, you get a nice little paycheck out of it to boot.
 
2014-04-07 06:22:30 PM  
Depends on how much she knew about the movie before she signed up. If she knew what the insane guy was going to babble before she signed: yeah, that's bad.
 
2014-04-07 06:23:10 PM  
Much more bothered by the fact Dr. Michio Kaku would be in something like this. The Star Trek lady can say she was just acting.

You would hope a theoretical physicist would be smarter than this.
 
2014-04-07 06:23:15 PM  
Her dog whine voice is the main reason I refused to watch Voyager.
 
2014-04-07 06:23:52 PM  

cannotsuggestaname: Eddie Adams from Torrance: Geo-centrists might actually be dumber than Creationists.

At least with creationism, it's all about interpreting (well ignoring actually) evidence of the past.

To see that the the planets orbit about the Sun, all you have to do is go outside and farking LOOK!


where do they fit in as compared to Flat Earthers though? That's the real question here.


But what about the TimeCube guy??  Where does HE fit into all this?
 
2014-04-07 06:24:53 PM  

Gecko Gingrich: Eddie Adams from Torrance: To see that the the planets orbit about the Sun, all you have to do is go outside and farking LOOK!

Really? I would submit that, one, that's precisely what got us an Earth-centic model of the universe to begin with, and two, even if one were to agree with the current "Earth is not the center of the universe" model we have, simply walking outside and looking would be but the first in a very long and somewhat complicated list of steps one would need to accomplish.


You do have to do more than merely look. You also have to write down what you've seen over a long enough period of time to figure out the pattern.

/The looking part is pretty important though.
 
2014-04-07 06:25:08 PM  
"About one in four believe in geocentrism, which places the Earth at the center of the universe and the sun, planets, and stars revolving around it."

WTF??
 
2014-04-07 06:26:15 PM  
She's a bag of nutbars.  Her, Sisko, they both done lost their minds (have you seen Shatner's "documentary" The Captains?  MAN Sisko is bonkers).

Hell, even Stewart seems to be losing it with his goofy Gandalf selfies!

Who would have thought Shatner and/or Bakula would be the normal ones??
 
2014-04-07 06:26:27 PM  
To boldly derp where no man has derped before
 
2014-04-07 06:26:34 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: It's called a paycheck submitter.  You know the kind of thing that keeps decent, hard working people off of welfare.  You should try getting one, you might like it.


Anybody knowingly pushing geocentrism in 2014 is not a "decent" person. They're either an idiot or evil.
 
2014-04-07 06:26:43 PM  
This is final proof that Voyager was, and will always be, the worst series.
 
2014-04-07 06:26:46 PM  
"Wait... you're going to pay me how much to do this thing?!  So... do I need to wear the little Hitler mustache? Or how does this work, exactly?"
 
2014-04-07 06:26:53 PM  

Confabulat: She stars on Orange is the New Black, which is pretty successful. I'm also currently listening to her narrate Joe Hill's NOS4A2 and she's really pretty terrific once you get Janeway out of your head.

She doesn't seem to be struggling. Maybe she's just insane.


Wasn't she also in that Adult Swim CSI parody thing?
 
2014-04-07 06:26:55 PM  

ZZ9 Plural Z Alpha: Geocentrism is still a thing people believe? That's off the potato scale level derp.


On the plus side, it made sextants work...

No, really.
 
2014-04-07 06:27:26 PM  
FTFA: "A new documentary film, narrated by a former Star Trek actress, promotes the long-ago disproven idea that the Earth revolves around the sun"...

/wtf ?
 
2014-04-07 06:27:53 PM  

Pimparoo: Smeggy Smurf: It's called a paycheck submitter.  You know the kind of thing that keeps decent, hard working people off of welfare.  You should try getting one, you might like it.

Anybody knowingly pushing geocentrism in 2014 is not a "decent" person. They're either an idiot or evil.


Or a fool.  She's just helping separate a fool from his money by taking a paycheck from him.  I say good for her.  It beats welfare
 
2014-04-07 06:28:01 PM  
I didn't like her before... now I like her less.
 
2014-04-07 06:28:13 PM  
Why not just bring the flat earth socity in this as well.
 
2014-04-07 06:28:56 PM  
Galileo, Figaro...
 
2014-04-07 06:29:15 PM  

Pimparoo: Much more bothered by the fact Dr. Michio Kaku would be in something like this. The Star Trek lady can say she was just acting.

You would hope a theoretical physicist would be smarter than this.


People appearing in such films are not always told the truth about how their appearances will be presented and/or edited. Someone like Dr. Kaku might think "everything you know is wrong" it a good way to start an intellectual discussion.

/offer does not apply if Kaku is actually advocating heliocentrism in the film. DNRTFA
 
2014-04-07 06:29:17 PM  
Um. Isn't it possible that she does not believe that shiat at all but is just getting paid for reading a script?
 
2014-04-07 06:29:20 PM  

Eddie Adams from Torrance: To see that the the planets orbit about the Sun, all you have to do is go outside and farking LOOK!


No, to see that, you have to be willing to adopt some sort of external frame of reference. If you operate from the perspective that the Earth occupies a fixed point in space, then yes, everything does orbit around it.
 
2014-04-07 06:29:38 PM  
So Red is the new Black?
 
2014-04-07 06:31:17 PM  

SnakeLee: "About one in four believe in geocentrism, which places the Earth at the center of the universe and the sun, planets, and stars revolving around it."

WTF??


This - seriously WTF.
 
2014-04-07 06:31:24 PM  
FTFA: A new documentary film, narrated by a former Star Trek actress, promotes the long-ago disproven idea that the Earth revolves around the sun

Check me if I'm wrong, Sandy, but isn't that idea still in play?
 
2014-04-07 06:32:24 PM  
Zariski-Riemann space? Affine space?

Who knew that Kate Mulgrew was the next Leonhard Euler!!!!!
 
2014-04-07 06:33:00 PM  
Before you deride geocentrism you should know that it's an established theory with as many followers in the scientific community as those who deny the myth of climate change, and is almost at the number of scientists who believe in creationism and alchemy. It's a hell of a good theory and one that I'd be proud to teach my children if the stork ever brought any to me.
 
2014-04-07 06:33:25 PM  

Jument: SnakeLee: "About one in four believe in geocentrism, which places the Earth at the center of the universe and the sun, planets, and stars revolving around it."

WTF??

This - seriously WTF.


I've heard of a lot of crazy theories but never heard of this one. Yeah. WTF?
 
2014-04-07 06:33:42 PM  

cannotsuggestaname: where do they fit in as compared to Flat Earthers though? That's the real question here.


Good catch. "[Y]oung-earth creationism, geocentrism, and flat-earthism are respectively the liberal, moderate, and conservative branches of the Bible-science tree." See  http://www.salon.com/2014/04/03/creationists_endure_rough_few_weeks_w h y_the_flat_earth_crowd_is_in_trouble/
 
2014-04-07 06:34:01 PM  
Kind of sounds like she's just narrating a show, and one guy who happens to be in the show is a nutter?

BTW, didn't Science Channel get in trouble for some slight shadiness on The Universe series a few years ago? Seems like they had Michio and crew talking about parallel universes in a theoretical manner, then recut all their parts to make it seem like they figured it was all basically fact?
 
2014-04-07 06:34:13 PM  

Bedurndurn: Gecko Gingrich: Eddie Adams from Torrance: To see that the the planets orbit about the Sun, all you have to do is go outside and farking LOOK!

Really? I would submit that, one, that's precisely what got us an Earth-centic model of the universe to begin with, and two, even if one were to agree with the current "Earth is not the center of the universe" model we have, simply walking outside and looking would be but the first in a very long and somewhat complicated list of steps one would need to accomplish.

You do have to do more than merely look. You also have to write down what you've seen over a long enough period of time to figure out the pattern.

/The looking part is pretty important though.



It's impressive how well they kept the geocentric model holding on; retrograde motion was a clue that something wasn't right but they predicted the shiat out of it anyway. I suppose "go outside and farking look" could also include measuring stellar parallax, but for most people that's unrealistic. I did go outside and farking look at the most recent transit of Venus, though.
 
2014-04-07 06:34:15 PM  

groppet: Why not just bring the flat earth socity in this as well.


Or Scientific Penguinism:

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2014-04-07 06:34:23 PM  
how can "Everything we know about the Universe" be "wrong"?  If that Assumption were true, then it would be false because that assumption would be true.

fark it... might as well be flat-earthers eating lead paint chips for all I care.
 
2014-04-07 06:34:50 PM  

Eddie Adams from Torrance: Geo-centrists might actually be dumber than Creationists.

At least with creationism, it's all about interpreting (well ignoring actually) evidence of the past.

To see that the the planets orbit about the Sun, all you have to do is go outside and farking LOOK!


Kepler is rolling in his grave
 
2014-04-07 06:35:11 PM  

Jument: SnakeLee: "About one in four believe in geocentrism, which places the Earth at the center of the universe and the sun, planets, and stars revolving around it."

WTF??

This - seriously WTF.


Typo. They meant 1 in 4,000,000. Right? Guys?

Goddamnitsomuch.
 
2014-04-07 06:35:18 PM  
I'll admit it. I'm part of the one in four who believes that the sun - and the entire universe - revolves around the Earth.

o.aolcdn.com

Look at this diagram. Earth is clearly in the center. I don't know how you can argue with that.
 
2014-04-07 06:35:24 PM  
I clicked the link for the trailer and got a trailer for Draft Day as a pre-roll ad.

"Yo dawg, I heard you like trailers...."
 
2014-04-07 06:35:26 PM  
"About one in four Americans believe in geocentrism, which places the Earth at the center of the universe and the sun, planets, and stars revolving around it."

This is the point for me where the article officially became Onionesque.  People can come up with statistics to prove anything, 14 percent of all people know that.
 
2014-04-07 06:35:38 PM  

WTFDYW: Um. Isn't it possible that she does not believe that shiat at all but is just getting paid for reading a script?


It is one thing to lend your voice to a fantasy film.  It's another thing to lend your voice to a "documentary" that is pure fantasy.

Sorry, she doesn't get off the hook on the excuse of picking up a check.  If she actually believes this nonsense, I've lost all respect for her as a person.
 
2014-04-07 06:35:59 PM  
goodcomics.comicbookresources.com

Don't make me slap a biatch's ass.
 
2014-04-07 06:36:08 PM  

groppet: Why not just bring the flat earth socity in this as well.


If you do that, you will need to give equal time to the other side.
i.imgur.com
 
2014-04-07 06:36:59 PM  

Eddie Adams from Torrance: Geo-centrists might actually be dumber than Creationists.

At least with creationism, it's all about interpreting (well ignoring actually) evidence of the past.

To see that the the planets orbit about the Sun, all you have to do is go outside and farking LOOK!


Eh, that's what got us into this in the first place.  You go outside and look and from our perspective the sun goes around us.

Obviously, they need a different perspective.  They need to be able to see the big picture.  So, I'd suggest launching them into space on trajectory to meet up with the Voyagers, where they should be able to get a real good, long look at the whole picture.
 
2014-04-07 06:37:05 PM  
Has reality gone on farking holiday for these people?
 
2014-04-07 06:37:17 PM  
well... the theory of relativity suggests that the entire universe is centered at the point immediately between my eyes. I've demonstrated this in numerous experiments. I stand still, yet the planets and stars alter their positions.
 
2014-04-07 06:37:21 PM  

FlashHarry: optikeye: I thought it was well known she's a very conservative in her beliefs.

conservative is one thing. batshiat crazy is another.


Sometimes its the same thing. Next up its the flat earthers. No not Thomas Friedman thats another thread.
 
2014-04-07 06:37:43 PM  
Your coordinate system can have an origin anywhere.  Doesn't make a whole lot of difference where you put it:  Inside the sun, center of the milky way, some other galaxy, the earth, mars, just some random spot in the middle of nowhere.

I believe the origin of the universe's coordinate system just happens to be the chair that I'm sitting upon at any given moment.  Prove me wrong.
 
2014-04-07 06:37:49 PM  

Uzzah: DjangoStonereaver: She's got to be just picking up a cheque.

Not knowing anything else about her, if I were offered a gig to narrate something like this, I'd do it for exactly that reason. The chances that the filmmaker will actually convince of his dumbass theory is low, so the "harm" you're doing is relatively inconsequential. And it's always advisable to take the opportunity to separate a nutcase from his money whenever possible, lest he spend it on something that might actually be effective. And hey, you get a nice little paycheck out of it to boot.


In the short term, sure.  But once it's released, she'll be known as "that bag o' hammers that thinks the sun revolves around the earth".  And not just in the real world, they'll think that even in Hollywood.  She just doesn't have the level of celebrity or hotness that people are willing to let it go.
 
2014-04-07 06:38:03 PM  

SnakeLee: "About one in four believe in geocentrism, which places the Earth at the center of the universe and the sun, planets, and stars revolving around it."

WTF??


I wonder what the age of the people polled was?

I remember believing that. when I was about 5 years old.  Except God was also making those celestial bodies move around us.

/ahh childhood, everything is so whimsical
 
2014-04-07 06:38:04 PM  

Astorix: Her dog whine voice is the main reason I refused to watch Voyager.


Agreed. And it isn't like she's a good actor with a grating voice. She's terrible. It is incredible that anyone ever gave her a role in anything.
 
2014-04-07 06:38:09 PM  
I honestly thought this was a troll headline about Patrick Stewart having a voice-over role on Cosmos.

Wow.
 
2014-04-07 06:38:20 PM  
FTA :

About one in four Americans believe in geocentrism

I don't believe that for a moment.
 
2014-04-07 06:38:20 PM  
We proved this shiat wrong hundreds of years ago. There is no point in arguing about it anymore.

31.media.tumblr.com
 
2014-04-07 06:39:06 PM  

Ivo Shandor: groppet: Why not just bring the flat earth socity in this as well.

If you do that, you will need to give equal time to the other side.
[i.imgur.com image 558x804]


At least that is entertaining.
 
2014-04-07 06:40:17 PM  

Uzzah: Eddie Adams from Torrance: To see that the the planets orbit about the Sun, all you have to do is go outside and farking LOOK!

No, to see that, you have to be willing to adopt some sort of external frame of reference. If you operate from the perspective that the Earth occupies a fixed point in space, then yes, everything does orbit around it.


Even from this point of reference, the retrograde motion of nearby bodies means that they've got to have some FUNKY orbits (as in, tight spirals) to be orbiting us. This isn't obvious to us 'cause few of us are charting the relative position of the planets on a regular basis, but it happens, and it's obvious when you see it.
 
2014-04-07 06:40:41 PM  

ZZ9 Plural Z Alpha: Geocentrism is still a thing people believe? That's off the potato scale level derp.


lh3.googleusercontent.com

The Divine Princesses find your lack of faith disturbing...
 
2014-04-07 06:40:42 PM  
SnakeLee
"About one in four believe in geocentrism, which places the Earth at the center of the universe and the sun, planets, and stars revolving around it."

WTF??


If it makes you feel better, you can pretend that about 3 in 4 of those 1 in 4 were just skimming the question, picked up the keywords "Sun", "Earth" and "revolving", were like "Yeah, correct, they're not all hanging stationary in the sky over a flat Earth" and marked the checkbox without paying enough attention to process who actually is moving around whom in the stated question.
 
2014-04-07 06:40:58 PM  
It scaresme how far we've regressed...
 
2014-04-07 06:40:59 PM  

buntz: She's a bag of nutbars.  Her, Sisko, they both done lost their minds (have you seen Shatner's "documentary" The Captains?  MAN Sisko is bonkers).

Hell, even Stewart seems to be losing it with his goofy Gandalf selfies!

Who would have thought Shatner and/or Bakula would be the normal ones??


I thought it was going to be about Sisko before I clicked. That guy is certifiable.
 
2014-04-07 06:41:06 PM  
Eh, whatever. Voyager wasn't a real Star Trek series anyway, everyone knows women can't be Starship Captains...
 
2014-04-07 06:41:38 PM  
So when we send probes to the planets we must be punching holes in those crystalline spheres! God is gonna be PISSED!
 
2014-04-07 06:41:46 PM  
Her years on Star Trek made her an expert in pseudoscience.

25.media.tumblr.com
 
2014-04-07 06:41:50 PM  
Dumbass news writer. The Earth doesn't "revolve" around the Sun, it orbits our Sol (star). Celestial bodies revolve upon an axis and orbit other bodies of greater mass and gravity.
 
2014-04-07 06:41:57 PM  
tzaphiel.files.wordpress.com
 
2014-04-07 06:42:10 PM  

SnakeLee: "About one in four believe in geocentrism, which places the Earth at the center of the universe and the sun, planets, and stars revolving around it."

WTF??


I questioned that statistic as well.
 
2014-04-07 06:42:53 PM  

fusillade762: cannotsuggestaname: Eddie Adams from Torrance: Geo-centrists might actually be dumber than Creationists.

At least with creationism, it's all about interpreting (well ignoring actually) evidence of the past.

To see that the the planets orbit about the Sun, all you have to do is go outside and farking LOOK!

where do they fit in as compared to Flat Earthers though? That's the real question here.

The Flat Earth thing should be out the window after your first plane ride. Geocentrism isn't quite as easy. So Flat Earthers are dumber.


The flat earth thing was out the window since at least the greeks. And, hell, since ANYONE SAILED EVER.

"Wait, we cast a circular shadow on the moon, when the sun is behind us. That.. OOOH WE'RE A SPHERE. Huh. I wonder how big we are." *Calculates do within a thousand or so miles*
 
2014-04-07 06:43:44 PM  
I know my names Truther and all, but WTF?

"1 in 4 Americans believe the Sun revolves around the Earth".

REALLY? That's not a joke??

/flabbergasted
 
2014-04-07 06:43:51 PM  

Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: I'll admit it. I'm part of the one in four who believes that the sun - and the entire universe - revolves around the Earth.



Look at this diagram. Earth is clearly in the center. I don't know how you can argue with that.


i.imgur.com

I prefer my diagram
 
2014-04-07 06:43:52 PM  

Pimparoo: Much more bothered by the fact Dr. Michio Kaku would be in something like this. The Star Trek lady can say she was just acting.

You would hope a theoretical physicist would be smarter than this.


Michio Kaku is a brilliant guy, but the dude is bordering on savant territory. He can recite (and then correct and rewrite) science textbooks by heart, but he can't remember people he met dozens of times before. He is also easily startled and confused a lot. I wouldnt be surprised if he has no idea what the film is about outside of his segment.
 
2014-04-07 06:44:00 PM  

fartacus: Eh, whatever. Voyager wasn't a real Star Trek series anyway, everyone knows women can't be Starship Captains...


There was a damn good reason for that.

www.davidmack.pro
 
2014-04-07 06:44:16 PM  
hope they paid her well

for a career-killing role
 
2014-04-07 06:44:46 PM  

Felgraf: "Wait, we cast a circular shadow on the moon, when the sun is behind us.


A platter, oriented on a parallel plane to that of the moon, would also cast a circular shadow on the moon.
 
2014-04-07 06:45:06 PM  

OddLlama: Jument: SnakeLee: "About one in four believe in geocentrism, which places the Earth at the center of the universe and the sun, planets, and stars revolving around it."

WTF??

This - seriously WTF.

Typo. They meant 1 in 4,000,000. Right? Guys?

Goddamnitsomuch.


You guys didn't think our politics were as farked up as they are by sheer coincidence did you?
 
2014-04-07 06:45:18 PM  
as a historian who studies ancient history, medieval history, history of religions in Europe, Ancient philosophy, medieval philosophy  and contemporary philosophy (and a job fixing and deploying computers), I can point out and say without a doubt that

until quite recently people believed the world was round like a ball.  back into the ancient world this was a
FACT.  not a hypothetical, but a serious theory.

A Greek Astronomer in antiquities hypothesized the Solar Centric idea.

What the Church believed was that there were two types of motion, straight and circular.  of course circular motion is a myth as without the suns gravity all of the circular motion things would fly off in straight lines until acted upon by an external force.

even though many more Astronomers discovered that the solar centric idea made all of the math work better with the observations, the idea of circular motion continued to be in vogue.

Copernicus made the circles work better with the solar centric idea but still could not get away from the perfect  circular motion.

Tycho Brahe thought the earth was at the center and was frustrated that his observations did not back it up.

Kepler stole Tycho's observations and discovered elipses.

Galileo figured out things like trajectory and accelleration

but...   people still believe in the hollow earth
the flat earth
the earth center of the universe
the stars are heaven peeking through

sigh.
 
2014-04-07 06:45:21 PM  

Savage Belief: SnakeLee: "About one in four believe in geocentrism, which places the Earth at the center of the universe and the sun, planets, and stars revolving around it."

WTF??

I questioned that statistic as well.


That seems like a pretty conservative estimate from anyone that actually believes that shiat.
 
2014-04-07 06:46:16 PM  

OtherLittleGuy: DjangoStonereaver: She's got to be just picking up a cheque.

Or, as Sir Larry would say, "You show up, you remember your lines, you say the words, you pick up the check."


I guess that would explain Larry's appearance in the 1980s version of "Clash of the Titans".

/does this mean I can't watch NTSF:SD:SUV anymore?
 
2014-04-07 06:46:59 PM  

LemSkroob: Pimparoo: Much more bothered by the fact Dr. Michio Kaku would be in something like this. The Star Trek lady can say she was just acting.

You would hope a theoretical physicist would be smarter than this.

Michio Kaku is a brilliant guy, but the dude is bordering on savant territory. He can recite (and then correct and rewrite) science textbooks by heart, but he can't remember people he met dozens of times before. He is also easily startled and confused a lot. I wouldnt be surprised if he has no idea what the film is about outside of his segment.


Dr Kaku used to appear fairly regularly on Fox news when physics and astronomy were being discussed. It might be the first time some of their viewers were exposed to actual science.
 
2014-04-07 06:47:42 PM  

cannotsuggestaname: Blues_X: I think it's her making a house payment.

she has a starring role in Orange is the New Black series on Netflix.


Oooh! Netflix!

She'll never want again given the tens of hundreds of dollars that will wrack up!

She's an ACTRESS. For about $50 I could probably get her to leave an outgoing VM message for me saying the earth is 'turtles all the way down'.

[note to K.M., I will pay you $50 for that service, for realsies]
 
2014-04-07 06:48:08 PM  

davynelson: hope they paid her well

for a career-killing role


Imagine if Carrie Fisher had done that Star Wars Christmas Special.
 
2014-04-07 06:48:10 PM  
Even though it has been conclusively proven by Voyager I and II, Mariner, Viking, and about a dozen other probes I can name?  Oh, AND THE MOON LANDINGS?  Really?  This isn't junk science, its bad comedy.  Scratch that, this gives bad comedy a bad name.  This is just a waste of precious natural resources that could be better used by other people.

What next, a movie supporting the earth is flat even though we currently have a space station orbiting it?  Maybe we should make a counter movie to this with Ric Romero narrating named, "This Just In: The Earth Orbits the Sun and the Earth Is Round."
 
2014-04-07 06:49:02 PM  

ZZ9 Plural Z Alpha: Geocentrism is still a thing people believe? That's off the potato scale level derp.


I don't know why but that cracked me up
 
2014-04-07 06:49:02 PM  
Waiting to see if the Farkette who proudly proclaims her belief her belief in this nonsense makes an appearance ITT. I've never seen her try and defend it though, she just shiats and runs, kinda like a certain BMW guy.
 
2014-04-07 06:49:08 PM  

Clock Spider Jerusalem: Jument: SnakeLee: "About one in four believe in geocentrism, which places the Earth at the center of the universe and the sun, planets, and stars revolving around it."

WTF??

This - seriously WTF.

I've heard of a lot of crazy theories but never heard of this one. Yeah. WTF?


Its very easy to disprove. you dont even need actual "proof" (as in direct evidence or real data)

All that shiat that we put into space has to be programmed. The programming is done by scientists and engineers. Scientists and engineers believe the sun is at the center and the earth rotates around it. That programming is based on equations that assume that belief.

Therefore, if the stuff in the sky actually works (like, your DirectTV package that you watch the 700 club on), then the earth must revolve around the sun.
 
2014-04-07 06:49:39 PM  

madgordy: Kepler stole Tycho's observations and discovered elipses.


Tycho died. For science.
 
2014-04-07 06:49:58 PM  

Igor Jakovsky: LemSkroob: Pimparoo: Much more bothered by the fact Dr. Michio Kaku would be in something like this. The Star Trek lady can say she was just acting.

You would hope a theoretical physicist would be smarter than this.

Michio Kaku is a brilliant guy, but the dude is bordering on savant territory. He can recite (and then correct and rewrite) science textbooks by heart, but he can't remember people he met dozens of times before. He is also easily startled and confused a lot. I wouldnt be surprised if he has no idea what the film is about outside of his segment.

Dr Kaku used to appear fairly regularly on Fox news when physics and astronomy were being discussed. It might be the first time some of their viewers were exposed to actual science.


Well, he is a media-whore, too. (and good for him for it. whatever it takes to get the message out).
 
2014-04-07 06:50:32 PM  

TomD9938: FTA :

About one in four Americans believe in geocentrism

I don't believe that for a moment.


The link in the article says that 3 out of 4 were able to answer a question that the "Earth revolves around the sun" correctly. 1 in 4 got that one wrong, meaning they were either confused, believe geocentrism, or never learned one of the most basic things in science.
 
2014-04-07 06:50:43 PM  
Mercury and Venus are inferior planets...simply put their orbits are closer to the sun than ours. They show phases...you only see those planets in the morning or evening because they are closer to the sun. You never seen Mercury or Venus late at night. We can observe this because our orbit is beyond those two  planets (as we go around the sun). The superior planets..those beyond Earth...don't show phases Because their orbits are further out than Earth's.

Geocentric theory blown...

www.greatdreams.com
 
2014-04-07 06:50:55 PM  

Serious Post on Serious Thread: [note to K.M., I will pay you $50 for that service, for realsies]


You can get it for Mark Meer for free, in several voices of your choosing

/I have him as my voicemail message as both Shepard and a Vorcha
 
2014-04-07 06:52:43 PM  
Somewhere Kirk Cameron's agent is getting a VERY thorough screaming-at.
 
2014-04-07 06:53:00 PM  
So lemme make sure I get you:

An ACTOR spoke and people are believing what is being said.

By. An. ACTOR.
 
2014-04-07 06:53:02 PM  

ZZ9 Plural Z Alpha: Geocentrism is still a thing people believe? That's off the potato scale level derp.


We have people, right now, in space, actually watching, first-hand, the Earth orbit the Sun, and yet this foolishness still persists because it's coupled to the one thing that festers in the human psyche: religion. Religion is the anti-logic. It's why the vast majority of such things - spontaneous generation, geocentrism, creationism, the "young earth" foolishness - are typically rolled together with a belief system. Without the belief system, such things can be easily countered with logic and observation. With the belief system, such things cannot be countered because the logic-defying belief in them is viewed as "faith," and any attempt to counter them, even with direct observation, is seen as "temptation" or "weakness."

The only way to eradicate ignorance is to prevent its spread. Thanks to the efforts of the Bush administration and its various "faith-based" initiatives, combined with the morons now in Congress, our ignorance is here to stay, and stay for at least a span of generations.
 
2014-04-07 06:54:11 PM  
No wonder she couldn't find her way back to the Alpha Quadrant.
 
2014-04-07 06:54:14 PM  

hotmoonsauce: ZZ9 Plural Z Alpha: Geocentrism is still a thing people believe? That's off the potato scale level derp.

I don't know why but that cracked me up


psi.edu:8080

"Can't explain that!"
 
2014-04-07 06:54:19 PM  

Igor Jakovsky: LemSkroob: Pimparoo: Much more bothered by the fact Dr. Michio Kaku would be in something like this. The Star Trek lady can say she was just acting.

You would hope a theoretical physicist would be smarter than this.

Michio Kaku is a brilliant guy, but the dude is bordering on savant territory. He can recite (and then correct and rewrite) science textbooks by heart, but he can't remember people he met dozens of times before. He is also easily startled and confused a lot. I wouldnt be surprised if he has no idea what the film is about outside of his segment.

Dr Kaku used to appear fairly regularly on Fox news when physics and astronomy were being discussed. It might be the first time some of their viewers were exposed to actual science.


I wonder if he would have a court case for misrepresenting his views? Though they probably just asked him about dark matter/energy and as soon as he says science doesn't understand them yet they cut away to someone else who says "SEE, SCIENCE IS WRONG!!!"
 
2014-04-07 06:54:49 PM  

Colin O'Scopy: So lemme make sure I get you:

An ACTOR spoke and people are believing what is being said.

By. An. ACTOR.


Some people don't vaccinate their kids because of what an ex porn star said on TV
 
2014-04-07 06:55:59 PM  
You realize Star Trek was fiction right? She's doing another fiction piece. No need to get your panties in a bunch, Subby.
 
2014-04-07 06:57:17 PM  
 
2014-04-07 06:57:58 PM  

SnakeLee: "About one in four believe in geocentrism, which places the Earth at the center of the universe and the sun, planets, and stars revolving around it."

WTF??


If I ever become a serial killer, I believe I have found my target demographic.
 
2014-04-07 06:58:20 PM  

slimfast: [tzaphiel.files.wordpress.com image 850x1039]


Shut up. That never happened. You hear me? NEVER HAPPENED!
 
2014-04-07 06:58:49 PM  

FlashHarry: Gecko Gingrich: FlashHarry: this is certainly a possibility. after all, hollywood has produced class-a nutbags like michael moriarty

Canadian via Detroit. Rose to fame on a show filmed and set in NYC.

victoria jackson

Floridian. Did work the comedy circuit in Hollywood, but rose to fame on SNL, filmed in NYC.

and chuck norris.

I'll give you that one.

hollywood in the sense of 'the entertainment industry.'



'For instance, "Hollywood" is used as a metonym for the U.S. film industry because of the fame and cultural identity of Hollywood, a district of the city of Los Angeles, California, as the historical center of film studios and film stars.'

It's literally the textbook example of a metronym.
 
2014-04-07 06:58:49 PM  

Colin O'Scopy: So lemme make sure I get you:

An ACTOR spoke and people are believing what is being said.

By. An. ACTOR.


An ACTOR lending what is supposed to be MAINSTREAM SUPPORT and/or GRAVITAS to an alleged DOCUMENTARY.
 
2014-04-07 06:59:01 PM  
Yep - Courtney Love is now bearable compared to this sad woman.
 
2014-04-07 06:59:27 PM  
Learn a lesson from this, Hollywood. If you want a Katherine Hepburn, get Katherine Hepburn.
 
2014-04-07 06:59:47 PM  
I hear Will Smith is bankrolling the Flat Earf society.
 
2014-04-07 06:59:48 PM  
fandangogroovers.files.wordpress.com
'It is not her fault. She was not born Korean.'
 
2014-04-07 07:00:19 PM  

Circusdog320: Mercury and Venus are inferior planets...simply put their orbits are closer to the sun than ours. They show phases...you only see those planets in the morning or evening because they are closer to the sun. You never seen Mercury or Venus late at night. We can observe this because our orbit is beyond those two  planets (as we go around the sun). The superior planets..those beyond Earth...don't show phases Because their orbits are further out than Earth's.

Geocentric theory blown...

[www.greatdreams.com image 620x565]



So you're saying the Sun has planets orbiting it like the Sun and Moon orbit the Earth?
 
2014-04-07 07:00:21 PM  

TheShavingofOccam123: Learn a lesson from this, Hollywood. If you want a Katherine Hepburn, get Katherine Hepburn.


Even if you have to dig her up.
 
2014-04-07 07:00:25 PM  
If you turn up your monitor really loud you can hear Victoria Jackson screaming to be let in.
 
2014-04-07 07:00:53 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: FlashHarry: so what's the bet here? alcoholism? drug abuse? she's obviously un-hirable in hollywood.

Her voice alone makes me contemplate suicide.


I could never watch Voyager because of her voice. The show was okay; but listening to her just made me want to choke someone--anyone--to death.
 
2014-04-07 07:01:06 PM  

cannotsuggestaname: Eddie Adams from Torrance: Geo-centrists might actually be dumber than Creationists.

At least with creationism, it's all about interpreting (well ignoring actually) evidence of the past.

To see that the the planets orbit about the Sun, all you have to do is go outside and farking LOOK!


where do they fit in as compared to Flat Earthers though? That's the real question here.


images.sodahead.com

They are at about 0.8 on the Peter Scale.
 
2014-04-07 07:01:37 PM  

BigLuca: I hear Will Smith is bankrolling the Flat Earf society.


He was given a free membership for his birfday.
 
2014-04-07 07:01:46 PM  

buntz: She's a bag of nutbars.  Her, Sisko, they both done lost their minds (have you seen Shatner's "documentary" The Captains?  MAN Sisko is bonkers).

Hell, even Stewart seems to be losing it with his goofy Gandalf selfies!

Who would have thought Shatner and/or Bakula would be the normal ones??


I agree Sisko has lost it.  But c'mon Patrick Stewart is just having one hell of a good time, and not giving a shiat what people think.  Probably the most sane one.
 
2014-04-07 07:02:12 PM  

the_sidewinder: Colin O'Scopy: So lemme make sure I get you:

An ACTOR spoke and people are believing what is being said.

By. An. ACTOR.

Some people don't vaccinate their kids because of what an ex porn star said on TV


It's not even just her.  There are otherwise intelligent people who don't vaccinate their kids, because although they don't "know" that vaccinations can cause autism, they "feel" like it might cause autism.  This is a pretty common issue these days.  Folks who have no formal scientific training blithely ignore the overwhelming evidence to the contrary because of their "feelings" about it.  Take organic products.  There really is no evidence that organic food is any healthier for you than conventional food.  But people, myself included, will often buy it because we "feel" like it must be healthier.
 
2014-04-07 07:02:18 PM  

ZZ9 Plural Z Alpha: Geocentrism is still a thing people believe? That's off the potato scale level derp.


There's this book...
 
2014-04-07 07:02:50 PM  
Why does the sun come up? Are all the stars just pinholes in the curtain of night?

You can't explain that.
 
2014-04-07 07:03:45 PM  

fusillade762: cannotsuggestaname: Eddie Adams from Torrance: Geo-centrists might actually be dumber than Creationists.

At least with creationism, it's all about interpreting (well ignoring actually) evidence of the past.

To see that the the planets orbit about the Sun, all you have to do is go outside and farking LOOK!

where do they fit in as compared to Flat Earthers though? That's the real question here.

The Flat Earth thing should be out the window after your first plane ride. Geocentrism isn't quite as easy. So Flat Earthers are dumber.


We prefer the term "Intelligent Curvilinearity," thank you.
 
2014-04-07 07:04:27 PM  

ReverendJynxed: You realize Star Trek was fiction right? She's doing another fiction piece. No need to get your panties in a bunch, Subby.


Do you really believe that?  Do you really think the two are even remotely equal?  I doubt the producers of this film would agree that their work is a piece of fiction.
 
2014-04-07 07:04:55 PM  

Gyrfalcon: Marcus Aurelius: FlashHarry: so what's the bet here? alcoholism? drug abuse? she's obviously un-hirable in hollywood.

Her voice alone makes me contemplate suicide.

I could never watch Voyager because of her voice. The show was okay; but listening to her just made me want to choke someone--anyone--to death.


cdn3.whatculture.com

Choking Chakotay is okay.
 
2014-04-07 07:05:21 PM  

ciberido: FlashHarry: Gecko Gingrich: FlashHarry: this is certainly a possibility. after all, hollywood has produced class-a nutbags like michael moriarty

Canadian via Detroit. Rose to fame on a show filmed and set in NYC.

victoria jackson

Floridian. Did work the comedy circuit in Hollywood, but rose to fame on SNL, filmed in NYC.

and chuck norris.

I'll give you that one.

hollywood in the sense of 'the entertainment industry.'


'For instance, "Hollywood" is used as a metonym for the U.S. film industry because of the fame and cultural identity of Hollywood, a district of the city of Los Angeles, California, as the historical center of film studios and film stars.'

It's literally the textbook example of a metronym.


Metronym: 1) metonym constructed from name of a city or part thereof; 2) heteronym that spends inordinate amount of time cultivating its physical appearance
 
2014-04-07 07:06:06 PM  
Well shiat, everyone's got bills to pay, and that picture's not exactly saying she's got a lot of other options on the table to choose from.
 
2014-04-07 07:07:52 PM  

the_sidewinder: Serious Post on Serious Thread: [note to K.M., I will pay you $50 for that service, for realsies]

You can get it for Mark Meer for free, in several voices of your choosing

/I have him as my voicemail message as both Shepard and a Vorcha


Link or it didn't happen.

And nun a dat lmgtfy bs
 
2014-04-07 07:08:02 PM  
I figured she'd be the crazy one. Either her or Scott Bakula.
 
2014-04-07 07:08:20 PM  
Not all can handle the truth.....

graphics8.nytimes.com
 
2014-04-07 07:08:25 PM  
Both sides are right since motion is relative to observer as stated by Galileo and Einstein.  Choose a frame of reference that suits you. It's called a Galilean transformation.
 
2014-04-07 07:09:18 PM  

TheManofPA: TomD9938: FTA :

About one in four Americans believe in geocentrism

I don't believe that for a moment.

The link in the article says that 3 out of 4 were able to answer a question that the "Earth revolves around the sun" correctly. 1 in 4 got that one wrong, meaning they were either confused, believe geocentrism, or never learned one of the most basic things in science.


It would have been nice to see how the question was phrased. If it was in the linked article, I didn't see it.

It could have been put to a participant in the form of an ambush question like, "do you believe in geocentrism?".

Not knowing the meaning of the word (forgivable) and not wanting to appear stupid, they simply blurt out in the affirmative and Snarky McReporter has his/her angle affirming the stupidity he/she knew was there all along.
 
2014-04-07 07:09:35 PM  

Close2TheEdge: Take organic products.  There really is no evidence that organic food is any healthier for you than conventional food.  But people, myself included, will often buy it because we "feel" like it must be healthier.


People buy it because certain crops contain a lot of pesticide residue and they're avoiding that with organic apples and raspberries. Not sure how that is a vague feeling about being healthier.
 
2014-04-07 07:09:46 PM  

SnakeLee: "About one in four believe in geocentrism, which places the Earth at the center of the universe and the sun, planets, and stars revolving around it."
WTF??


One in three fark readers accept random factoids from disreputable websites.

 
2014-04-07 07:10:05 PM  

Pimparoo: Much more bothered by the fact Dr. Michio Kaku would be in something like this. The Star Trek lady can say she was just acting.

You would hope a theoretical physicist would be smarter than this.


Perhaps he's in it to represent a dissenting view. Then they edit his footage to make him look bad. He's a bit strange anyway.
 
2014-04-07 07:10:35 PM  

Pointy Tail of Satan: Zariski-Riemann space? Affine space?


I am never forget the day I am given first original paper to write.....


/Only be sure always to call it please 'research'.
 
2014-04-07 07:10:47 PM  
And we are at the center of the universe since Big Bang happened everywhere and it's space that's expanding not us, the center of universe is everywhere.
 
2014-04-07 07:10:48 PM  

Monkeyfark Ridiculous: Astorix: Her dog whine voice is the main reason I refused to watch Voyager.

Agreed. And it isn't like she's a good actor with a grating voice. She's terrible. It is incredible that anyone ever gave her a role in anything.


We could have had Susan Gibney.  She was on the short list until Mulgrew up and Melisandre'd her way into the captain's chair.  :(

img2.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2014-04-07 07:11:06 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: It's called a paycheck submitter.  You know the kind of thing that keeps decent, hard working people off of welfare.  You should try getting one, you might like it.


Kate, this is Robert, I thought you said you'd help get me a side gig, you know, for all those favors in the Captain's quarters. How come you never return my calls and texts.
 
2014-04-07 07:11:24 PM  
Unless you business is politics, mixing business and politics is a bad idea. 99 times out of 100, it winds up harming your brand in the long run.
 
2014-04-07 07:13:46 PM  

Superjew: Susan Gibney


Geordi's Girlfriend in red?  Wasn't she a civvie?

...imdb imdb...

Man, I really need to rewatch DS9
 
2014-04-07 07:13:51 PM  

fusillade762: All I heard her say is "Everything we know about the universe is wrong". Considering about half the talking heads there are talking about dark matter and NOT geocentrism I think it's possible she wasn't aware of the nature of what she signed up for. I certainly think Michio Kaku can't be happy with having his position misrepresented.

Maybe they all thought it was a parody move? Or maybe it IS a parody movie?


Or quite likely the scientists suffered the same fate as David Albert in What the Bleep do we Know?  Interview is selectively edited and a scientist who thinks they are doing a documentary ends up as a figure endorsing pseudoscientific bunk.

Without seeing the film, I can sort of see where they appear to be going.  Not geocentrism in the classical sense, but rather our solar system is in the middle.  To a lay person, there is a good chunk of cosmological evidence that could be interpreted that way.  The consistent red-shift of almost everything, the fact that any direction you look is basically towards the big bang... stuff like that.  It's hard for someone who's not a high level expert who can understand at least some of the math to really get that stuff.  Most of us believe it based on the fact we trust in scientific expertise and the simplified models that are presented by good educators.  Much the same way the folks at The Secret get conscious thought and measurement using EM fields and other particles confused.
 
2014-04-07 07:14:06 PM  

Clock Spider Jerusalem: Close2TheEdge: Take organic products.  There really is no evidence that organic food is any healthier for you than conventional food.  But people, myself included, will often buy it because we "feel" like it must be healthier.

People buy it because certain crops contain a lot of pesticide residue and they're avoiding that with organic apples and raspberries. Not sure how that is a vague feeling about being healthier.


And some of us prefer free-range broccoli because it's more humane.
 
2014-04-07 07:14:09 PM  

Repo Man: Waiting to see if the Farkette who proudly proclaims her belief her belief in this nonsense makes an appearance ITT. I've never seen her try and defend it though, she just shiats and runs, kinda like a certain BMW guy.


The one who claims to be psychic?
 
2014-04-07 07:15:06 PM  

Clock Spider Jerusalem: Close2TheEdge: Take organic products.  There really is no evidence that organic food is any healthier for you than conventional food.  But people, myself included, will often buy it because we "feel" like it must be healthier.

People buy it because certain crops contain a lot of pesticide residue and they're avoiding that with organic apples and raspberries. Not sure how that is a vague feeling about being healthier.


Unless I'm mistaken, there have been no clinical studies that have proven pesticide residue in trace amounts is really harmful, even if the fruits and veg aren't washed before eating. My point is not to say that buying organic for this reason is wrong.  But it is an assumption consumers make that isn't really borne out by hard evidence.  Take that attitude to the extreme, and you have the anti-vac mindset.
 
2014-04-07 07:15:38 PM  

fartacus: Eh, whatever. Voyager wasn't a real Star Trek series anyway, everyone knows women can't be Starship Captains...


img3.wikia.nocookie.net

Frowns on your shenanigans.
 
2014-04-07 07:16:18 PM  

Serious Post on Serious Thread: the_sidewinder: Serious Post on Serious Thread: [note to K.M., I will pay you $50 for that service, for realsies]

You can get it for Mark Meer for free, in several voices of your choosing

/I have him as my voicemail message as both Shepard and a Vorcha

Link or it didn't happen.

And nun a dat lmgtfy bs


http://1drv.ms/PHW5qX
 
2014-04-07 07:16:29 PM  

TomD9938: TheManofPA: TomD9938: FTA :

About one in four Americans believe in geocentrism

I don't believe that for a moment.

The link in the article says that 3 out of 4 were able to answer a question that the "Earth revolves around the sun" correctly. 1 in 4 got that one wrong, meaning they were either confused, believe geocentrism, or never learned one of the most basic things in science.

It would have been nice to see how the question was phrased. If it was in the linked article, I didn't see it.

It could have been put to a participant in the form of an ambush question like, "do you believe in geocentrism?".

Not knowing the meaning of the word (forgivable) and not wanting to appear stupid, they simply blurt out in the affirmative and Snarky McReporter has his/her angle affirming the stupidity he/she knew was there all along.


Question: "Does the Earth go around the Sun, or does the Sun go around the Earth?"
Snarky McReporter: National Science Foundation


/"Yes."
 
2014-04-07 07:16:36 PM  
Earth has enough gravity to hold the sun in its orbit?
 
2014-04-07 07:17:01 PM  

PunGent: ZZ9 Plural Z Alpha: Geocentrism is still a thing people believe? That's off the potato scale level derp.

On the plus side, it made sextants work...

No, really.


If geocentrism made sextants work, navigators could have used the planets as references. The reason they used stars is because stars are so distant that the difference between the two models (parallax error) is too small to make a difference.
 
2014-04-07 07:17:51 PM  

UsikFark: hotmoonsauce: ZZ9 Plural Z Alpha: Geocentrism is still a thing people believe? That's off the potato scale level derp.

I don't know why but that cracked me up

[psi.edu:8080 image 450x284]

"Can't explain that!"


dickbutt on the head, potato
 
2014-04-07 07:20:02 PM  

Monkeyfark Ridiculous: ciberido: FlashHarry: Gecko Gingrich: FlashHarry: this is certainly a possibility. after all, hollywood has produced class-a nutbags like michael moriarty

Canadian via Detroit. Rose to fame on a show filmed and set in NYC.

victoria jackson

Floridian. Did work the comedy circuit in Hollywood, but rose to fame on SNL, filmed in NYC.

and chuck norris.

I'll give you that one.

hollywood in the sense of 'the entertainment industry.'


'For instance, "Hollywood" is used as a metonym for the U.S. film industry because of the fame and cultural identity of Hollywood, a district of the city of Los Angeles, California, as the historical center of film studios and film stars.'

It's literally the textbook example of a metronym.

Metronym: 1) metonym constructed from name of a city or part thereof; 2) heteronym that spends inordinate amount of time cultivating its physical appearance


You, sir or madam, have won the internet for today.
 
2014-04-07 07:20:49 PM  

Repo Man: Waiting to see if the Farkette who proudly proclaims her belief her belief in this nonsense makes an appearance ITT. I've never seen her try and defend it though, she just shiats and runs, kinda like a certain BMW guy.


Everyone knows that the Earth was spat out of a giant 3D printer, anyway.


i2.kym-cdn.com
 
2014-04-07 07:21:19 PM  

Ivo Shandor: groppet: Why not just bring the flat earth socity in this as well.

If you do that, you will need to give equal time to the other side.
[i.imgur.com image 558x804]


Now with PROOF:

www.crystalinks.com
 
2014-04-07 07:21:30 PM  
 Man fark Janeway, she should have stayed lost in space.
 
2014-04-07 07:22:13 PM  

Close2TheEdge: Clock Spider Jerusalem: Close2TheEdge: Take organic products.  There really is no evidence that organic food is any healthier for you than conventional food.  But people, myself included, will often buy it because we "feel" like it must be healthier.

People buy it because certain crops contain a lot of pesticide residue and they're avoiding that with organic apples and raspberries. Not sure how that is a vague feeling about being healthier.

Unless I'm mistaken, there have been no clinical studies that have proven pesticide residue in trace amounts is really harmful, even if the fruits and veg aren't washed before eating. My point is not to say that buying organic for this reason is wrong.  But it is an assumption consumers make that isn't really borne out by hard evidence.  Take that attitude to the extreme, and you have the anti-vac mindset.


Many/most organic crops use pesticides.   http://www.npr.org/blogs/health/2011/06/18/137249264/organic-pesticid e s-not-an-oxymoron?ft=1&f=1053

'Organic' is a marketing label often used haphhazardly.  Even legally organic, as defined by the FDA, allows several varieties of pesticides to be used, many of which have short track records and intensive processing steps.
 
2014-04-07 07:22:52 PM  

common sense is an oxymoron: PunGent: ZZ9 Plural Z Alpha: Geocentrism is still a thing people believe? That's off the potato scale level derp.

On the plus side, it made sextants work...

No, really.

If geocentrism made sextants work, navigators could have used the planets as references. The reason they used stars is because stars are so distant that the difference between the two models (parallax error) is too small to make a difference.


Spatial parallax. That was the equation. Always wondered why things as bright as planets weren't used as much as the stars were used.

But the Vikings had go and ruin things with a board and a nail.

http://www.instructables.com/id/Make-a-Viking-Sun-Compass/
 
2014-04-07 07:23:43 PM  

Mr. Coffee Nerves: Somewhere Kirk Cameron's agent is getting a VERY thorough screaming-at.


It's not his fault.  Nobody mentioned there would be bananas in the film.
 
2014-04-07 07:25:47 PM  

Huggermugger: Earth has enough gravity to hold the sun in its orbit?


The sun is the same size in the sky as the moon. Easy to fudge some superstitions about it.
 
2014-04-07 07:26:00 PM  
That Kate Mulgrew is narrating isn't too much of a problem. An actor saying things that they don't believe and aren't true on TV? That's what actors are for.

The issue is all the physicists. When an astrophysicist is seen in the trailer as talking in favor of geocentrism, he either had no idea what he the interview was about and is being heavily edited and taken out of context, and hopefully suing for defamation; or it's a parody mockmentary.
 
2014-04-07 07:26:36 PM  
I can't help but think (or hope) that a large part of the "1/4 of Americans believe in geocentrism" statistic comes simply from people not even understanding the question instead of them actually believing that the sun revolves around the earth.
 
2014-04-07 07:26:51 PM  
img.fark.net

TEACH THE CONTROVERSY!
 
2014-04-07 07:28:40 PM  

miniflea: I can't help but think (or hope) that a large part of the "1/4 of Americans believe in geocentrism" statistic comes simply from people not even understanding the question instead of them actually believing that the sun revolves around the earth.


Yeah but i someone can't understand "Does the Earth revolve around the Sun or the Sun around the Earth?" you've also got problems. The fact that they can vote and own guns further complicates matters.
 
2014-04-07 07:29:29 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: Her voice alone makes me contemplate suicide.


I like her voice.

It's earnest.
 
2014-04-07 07:29:37 PM  

Huggermugger: Earth has enough gravity to hold the sun in its orbit?


The fat shoppers at Walmart help.
 
2014-04-07 07:30:10 PM  
Janeway was certifiable. This was a deranged person who needed to be fragged by her own crew.

Why is anyone surprised that Mulgrew is batty too?
 
2014-04-07 07:31:49 PM  

TheDirtyNacho: Close2TheEdge: Clock Spider Jerusalem: Close2TheEdge: Take organic products.  There really is no evidence that organic food is any healthier for you than conventional food.  But people, myself included, will often buy it because we "feel" like it must be healthier.

People buy it because certain crops contain a lot of pesticide residue and they're avoiding that with organic apples and raspberries. Not sure how that is a vague feeling about being healthier.

Unless I'm mistaken, there have been no clinical studies that have proven pesticide residue in trace amounts is really harmful, even if the fruits and veg aren't washed before eating. My point is not to say that buying organic for this reason is wrong.  But it is an assumption consumers make that isn't really borne out by hard evidence.  Take that attitude to the extreme, and you have the anti-vac mindset.

Many/most organic crops use pesticides.   http://www.npr.org/blogs/health/2011/06/18/137249264/organic-pesticid e s-not-an-oxymoron?ft=1&f=1053

'Organic' is a marketing label often used haphhazardly.  Even legally organic, as defined by the FDA, allows several varieties of pesticides to be used, many of which have short track records and intensive processing steps.


And this.
 
2014-04-07 07:32:12 PM  

Colin O'Scopy: So lemme make sure I get you:

An ACTOR spoke and people are believing what is being said.

By. An. ACTOR.


Yup and people somehow think it will kill her acting career. Kind of funny really.
I'm surprised people still believe in an Earth centric solar system, but an actress narrating does not mean she believes it and even if she did, it wouldn't effect her career. After all, Tom Cruise still works.
 
2014-04-07 07:32:14 PM  
img3.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2014-04-07 07:32:51 PM  

optikeye: I thought it was well known she's a very conservative in her beliefs.


There's a difference between "conservative" and "believes the Sun goes around the Earth and the Church was right to burn Bruno and Galileo was wrong" which is what this group says (hint: galileowaswrong.com)

Or maybe I'm just giving to much farking credit to the farking dimwitted brainwashed jesus-gobbling conservatives
 
2014-04-07 07:36:14 PM  
Anyone click on the link?  Kate Mulgrew has apparently aged very poorly.  She looks 30 years older compared to 14 years ago.  Yikes
 
2014-04-07 07:36:32 PM  
I watch the trailer and I LOLLED at the statement. "The temperature disturbances throughout the universe were all pointing towards the Earth".

Well I GUESS that's a new theory to explain the equal heat of the universe, wow, just wow.
 
2014-04-07 07:38:50 PM  

Ivo Shandor: groppet: Why not just bring the flat earth socity in this as well.

If you do that, you will need to give equal time to the other side.
[i.imgur.com image 558x804]


img3.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2014-04-07 07:39:21 PM  
Whatever she's been smoking? Share!
 
2014-04-07 07:40:02 PM  
 
2014-04-07 07:40:57 PM  
Headline: Star Trek 'actress' lends her gravitas to film promoting idea that sun revolves around Earth

/FTFY
 
2014-04-07 07:41:50 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: It's called a paycheck submitter.  You know the kind of thing that keeps decent, hard working people off of welfare.  You should try getting one, you might like it.


www.quickmeme.com

You are without doubt the most inept derp I've ever seen.
 
2014-04-07 07:44:10 PM  
cannotsuggestaname:


where do they fit in as compared to Flat Earthers though? That's the real question here.

Flat Earthers are typically Discordians. They know that the Earth isn't flat, but they enjoy seeing people popping blood vessels trying to argue that the Earth isn't flat.
 
2014-04-07 07:46:12 PM  

SnakeLee: "About one in four believe in geocentrism, which places the Earth at the center of the universe and the sun, planets, and stars revolving around it."

WTF??


That statement is simply not true, the reality is they are too stupid to know the correct answer and they took a guess at it.
 
2014-04-07 07:46:46 PM  
Hahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!
 
2014-04-07 07:47:04 PM  

ZZ9 Plural Z Alpha: Geocentrism is still a thing people believe? That's off the potato scale level derp.


You need to look around the political landscape. That's very nearly a bag with a string in the Tea Party. Remember, even more Americans think "Noah" is a documentary and that Putin's a great guy.
 
2014-04-07 07:47:20 PM  

Pimparoo: Much more bothered by the fact Dr. Michio Kaku would be in something like this. The Star Trek lady can say she was just acting.

You would hope a theoretical physicist would be smarter than this.


I'm wondering if the entire thing isn't just being misrepresented. This sounds like the opposite of what Kaku generally does.
 
2014-04-07 07:48:20 PM  

ScaryBottles: Smeggy Smurf: It's called a paycheck submitter.  You know the kind of thing that keeps decent, hard working people off of welfare.  You should try getting one, you might like it.

[www.quickmeme.com image 407x405]

You are without doubt the most inept derp I've ever seen.


noob


;-)
 
2014-04-07 07:48:42 PM  

foxy_canuck: fusillade762: All I heard her say is "Everything we know about the universe is wrong". Considering about half the talking heads there are talking about dark matter and NOT geocentrism I think it's possible she wasn't aware of the nature of what she signed up for. I certainly think Michio Kaku can't be happy with having his position misrepresented.

Maybe they all thought it was a parody move? Or maybe it IS a parody movie?

Or quite likely the scientists suffered the same fate as David Albert in What the Bleep do we Know?  Interview is selectively edited and a scientist who thinks they are doing a documentary ends up as a figure endorsing pseudoscientific bunk.

Without seeing the film, I can sort of see where they appear to be going.  Not geocentrism in the classical sense, but rather our solar system is in the middle.  To a lay person, there is a good chunk of cosmological evidence that could be interpreted that way.  The consistent red-shift of almost everything, the fact that any direction you look is basically towards the big bang... stuff like that.  It's hard for someone who's not a high level expert who can understand at least some of the math to really get that stuff.  Most of us believe it based on the fact we trust in scientific expertise and the simplified models that are presented by good educators.  Much the same way the folks at The Secret get conscious thought and measurement using EM fields and other particles confused.


Man do you ever stop making excuses for your potatohead brethren? Seriously until now I always gave Canadians the benefit of the doubt when it came to being civilized but you're proving that you people can be just as dumb and reactionary as the most deluded teabagger.
 
2014-04-07 07:49:20 PM  

WTF Indeed: This is final proof that Voyager was, and will always be, the worst series.


You spelled "Deep Space Nine" wrong.
 
2014-04-07 07:51:43 PM  
"What orbits what" is a function of your frame of reference, nothing more. Makes more sense to have a geocentric perspective, considering that we, you know, live on Earth.
 
2014-04-07 07:55:35 PM  

FlashHarry: Confabulat: Maybe she's just insane.

this is certainly a possibility. after all, hollywood has produced class-a nutbags like michael moriarty, victoria jackson and chuck norris.


It could be worse; she could be shilling for Scientology like half of her peers.
 
2014-04-07 07:56:51 PM  
I wonder how many who claim to believe in geocentrism are really just discordians, like flat Earthers. If someone asked me anonymously, I might claim to believe in geocentrism, just for kicks.
 
2014-04-07 07:57:02 PM  

Eddie Adams from Torrance: To see that the the planets orbit about the Sun, all you have to do is go outside and farking LOOK!


That wasn't what did it. From our vantage point, it looks like everything orbits the Earth.

But then people noticed that some planets would move backward for awhile, and then forward again. There needed to be an explanation for this behavior, and it just so happens that the heliocentric model explains it succinctly.

And every observation we've made on the solar system since then have confirmed this explanation, and then we went to space and saw for ourselves.
 
2014-04-07 07:58:56 PM  

Truther: I know my names Truther and all, but WTF?

"1 in 4 Americans believe the Sun revolves around the Earth".

REALLY? That's not a joke??

/flabbergasted


People are willing to take seriously some statistics pushed by a geocentricism pusher? Really? Come on, guys.

/It was an internet poll, I'd wager.
 
2014-04-07 07:59:30 PM  

untaken_name: "What orbits what" is a function of your frame of reference, nothing more. Makes more sense to have a geocentric perspective, considering that we, you know, live on Earth.


Except, um, no.

Your perception of an orbit may change depending on your frame of reference, but in terms of mathematics an orbit is pretty much absolute.

(Technically any two objects orbit around each other, but when the center of their orbits is located INSIDE one of those objects, it's pretty safe to say the smaller object orbits around the larger.)
 
2014-04-07 08:01:50 PM  

Valiente: ZZ9 Plural Z Alpha: Geocentrism is still a thing people believe? That's off the potato scale level derp.

You need to look around the political landscape. That's very nearly a bag with a string in the Tea Party. Remember, even more Americans think "Noah" is a documentary and that Putin's a great guy.


I'm picturing more of a Leno "Man On The Street" segment that yielded those dubious 1 in 4 numbers.

I suppose they could have limited their questionnaire to a thin slice of a slice of a slice of the larger society (TeaBaggers), but I seriously doubt it.
 
2014-04-07 08:02:23 PM  

TheOtherMisterP: untaken_name: "What orbits what" is a function of your frame of reference, nothing more. Makes more sense to have a geocentric perspective, considering that we, you know, live on Earth.

Except, um, no.

Your perception of an orbit may change depending on your frame of reference, but in terms of mathematics an orbit is pretty much absolute.

(Technically any two objects orbit around each other, but when the center of their orbits is located INSIDE one of those objects, it's pretty safe to say the smaller object orbits around the larger.)


It's cool. Astronomy is difficult for the average person to understand. Some day, if you keep studying, you may understand. You're using words like "inside" and "center" which have no meaning outside of your limited frame of reference. Clearly you do not grasp the concepts involved.
 
2014-04-07 08:09:46 PM  

Astorix: Her dog whine voice is the main reason I refused to watch Voyager.


What, you didn't like listening to the voice I affectionately referred to as "chain-smoker Janeway"? She had the black coffee down, so you know she also had to be lighting up with maybe a danish or three.
 
2014-04-07 08:12:15 PM  

TheOtherMisterP: untaken_name: "What orbits what" is a function of your frame of reference, nothing more. Makes more sense to have a geocentric perspective, considering that we, you know, live on Earth.

Except, um, no.

Your perception of an orbit may change depending on your frame of reference, but in terms of mathematics an orbit is pretty much absolute.

(Technically any two objects orbit around each other, but when the center of their orbits is located INSIDE one of those objects, it's pretty safe to say the smaller object orbits around the larger.)


Not exactly, but close enough
 
2014-04-07 08:14:11 PM  

Ehcks: Not exactly, but close enough


Apparently I don't know how to post an image. Here's a link, then.
http://zidbits.com/2011/09/the-earth-doesnt-actually-orbit-the-sun/
 
2014-04-07 08:14:54 PM  

ScaryBottles: Smeggy Smurf: It's called a paycheck submitter.  You know the kind of thing that keeps decent, hard working people off of welfare.  You should try getting one, you might like it.

[www.quickmeme.com image 407x405]

You are without doubt the most inept derp I've ever seen.


Oh, no. Smeggy is one of the eptest derpers we've got.
 
2014-04-07 08:16:19 PM  

mutterfark: [fandangogroovers.files.wordpress.com image 792x449]
'It is not her fault. She was not born Korean.'


+1
 
F42
2014-04-07 08:19:28 PM  
Science turned her into a newt!

She got better.
 
2014-04-07 08:19:45 PM  

foxyshadis: Truther: I know my names Truther and all, but WTF?

"1 in 4 Americans believe the Sun revolves around the Earth".

REALLY? That's not a joke??

/flabbergasted

People are willing to take seriously some statistics pushed by a geocentricism pusher? Really? Come on, guys.

/It was an internet poll, I'd wager.


TomD9938: Valiente: ZZ9 Plural Z Alpha: Geocentrism is still a thing people believe? That's off the potato scale level derp.

You need to look around the political landscape. That's very nearly a bag with a string in the Tea Party. Remember, even more Americans think "Noah" is a documentary and that Putin's a great guy.

I'm picturing more of a Leno "Man On The Street" segment that yielded those dubious 1 in 4 numbers.

I suppose they could have limited their questionnaire to a thin slice of a slice of a slice of the larger society (TeaBaggers), but I seriously doubt it.



All you had to do was click a couple of times (or read the thread) to find out that the National Science Foundation is the source of that statistic.

I would hope that most of the 26% answered that way due to simple confusion or smartassery rather than a genuine belief in geocentrism. But a lot of people just don't pay attention to such things...not knowing the first thing about astronomy has virtually no consequence in the everyday life of most people.
 
2014-04-07 08:20:07 PM  
foxy_canuck:

Without seeing the film, I can sort of see where they appear to be going.  Not geocentrism in the classical sense, but rather our solar system is in the middle.  To a lay person, there is a good chunk of cosmological evidence that could be interpreted that way.  The consistent red-shift of almost everything, the fact that any direction you look is basically towards the big bang... stuff like that.  It's hard for someone who's not a high level expert who can understand at least some of the math to really get that stuff.  Most of us believe it based on the fact we trust in scientific expertise and the simplified models that are presented by good educators.  Much the same way the folks at The Secret get conscious thought and measurement using EM fields and other particles confused.

The best layman understandable (and believe me, when it comes to maths I'm a layman) representation I've seen about the expanding universe and how things seemed to accelerate faster the farther away they are (which would create more red shift) involved a few balls on a length of surgical tubing. Pick a ball that's somewhere in the middle, and start stretching the tube-the ones farther from the one you've chosen will move father away than the ones closer to it, even though the rate at which your stretching the tube is constant.

It worked better when you actually see it, sorry if my description sucks.
 
2014-04-07 08:21:14 PM  

foxy_canuck: fusillade762: All I heard her say is "Everything we know about the universe is wrong". Considering about half the talking heads there are talking about dark matter and NOT geocentrism I think it's possible she wasn't aware of the nature of what she signed up for. I certainly think Michio Kaku can't be happy with having his position misrepresented.

Maybe they all thought it was a parody move? Or maybe it IS a parody movie?

Or quite likely the scientists suffered the same fate as David Albert in What the Bleep do we Know?  Interview is selectively edited and a scientist who thinks they are doing a documentary ends up as a figure endorsing pseudoscientific bunk.

Without seeing the film, I can sort of see where they appear to be going.  Not geocentrism in the classical sense, but rather our solar system is in the middle.  To a lay person, there is a good chunk of cosmological evidence that could be interpreted that way.  The consistent red-shift of almost everything, the fact that any direction you look is basically towards the big bang... stuff like that.  It's hard for someone who's not a high level expert who can understand at least some of the math to really get that stuff.


Is it really that hard to get the basic concept?  We're not in the center of the universe in roughly the same way we're not on the center of the world.  The world is actually (the surface of) a big round ball, so every point in the world has equal claim to being the "center" of a round surface that is finite but unbounded.  The universe works the same way  --- every point in it has equal claim to be being at the "center" of a surface that is likewise finite but unbounded, like the skin of an orange.

Sure, it's on a higher dimension than the few we intuitively experience, and the math is tricky, but the basic concept is quite elementary.

And that's before you even get to the "it's like we're on a balloon that is getting blown up so every point seems to be receding from every other point, as the balloon gets bigger" part.

And even if my analogy is flawed, it should still manage to get the basic idea of "finite but unbounded, with all points equally appearing to be central" across.
 
2014-04-07 08:21:30 PM  

Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: I'll admit it. I'm part of the one in four who believes that the sun - and the entire universe - revolves around the Earth.



Look at this diagram. Earth is clearly in the center. I don't know how you can argue with that.


I don't want to live on this planet anymore.

I'd go to mars, but it keeps moving away from me...

// Dammit, hold still already! I can't jump if you keep rotating in your orbitz thingy!
 
2014-04-07 08:23:05 PM  

UsikFark: madgordy: Kepler stole Tycho's observations and discovered elipses.

Tycho died. For science.


Does he still make Lego ripoffs?
 
2014-04-07 08:23:51 PM  
It's bullshiat, the earth revolves around me. Al Gore says so.
 
2014-04-07 08:24:59 PM  

Monkeyfark Ridiculous: Metronym: 1) metonym constructed from name of a city or part thereof; 2) heteronym that spends inordinate amount of time cultivating its physical appearance


LOL.
 
2014-04-07 08:25:15 PM  
I know I'm late to the thread.  Sorry if this has been addressed.  Wouldn't successfully sending numerous satellites out to the remote planets disprove the geocentric universe by experiment?
 
2014-04-07 08:29:01 PM  
ScaryBottles:

Man do you ever stop making excuses for your potatohead brethren? Seriously until now I always gave Canadians the benefit of the doubt when it came to being civilized but you're proving that you people can be just as dumb and reactionary as the most deluded teabagger.

I have no idea what the fark you are talking about or what excuses you think I'm making, or even who I'm making them for.  If you actually read my post, all I'm saying is that I can see Kaku ended up in the film much the same way Albert ended up in What the Bleep do we Know... because they were lied to about the nature of the 'documentary' then selectively edited to appear to support it.  The other part of what I posted was a guess about the nature of the documentary based on the 'evidence' (please note the use of air quotes here to indicate I don't view what this particular idiot filmmaker is using as actual evidence... I'm not certain your reading comprehension skills are up to the task of deciphering that).  I'm also suggesting it's not a big leap for someone who doesn't actually get the science behind it, which is a lot of people, to buy into this particular erroneous conclusion, just like a bunch of scientifically illiterate folks buy into that secret crap.

Next time try reading a little more carefully or STFU.
 
2014-04-07 08:29:38 PM  

Eddie Adams from Torrance: To see that the the planets orbit about the Sun, all you have to do is go outside and farking LOOK!


Sometimes it's really hard to tell if someone's serious or not on the Internet.

/Poe said it first.
//Not that Poe.
///Or that one.  Put the bunny down.
 
2014-04-07 08:29:54 PM  

Ehcks: Ehcks: Not exactly, but close enough

Apparently I don't know how to post an image. Here's a link, then.
http://zidbits.com/2011/09/the-earth-doesnt-actually-orbit-the-sun/


Your link is wrong.  "The Earth doesn't even orbit where the barycenter currently is. It orbits where it was roughly eight minutes ago"

While theoretically limited to the speed of light, for purposes of orbital mechanics, the "speed of gravity" is assumed to be infinite.  If you try to work out our solar system based on assuming that gravity "travels at the speed of light" (and assuming Newtonian mechanics) it doesn't work.
 
2014-04-07 08:30:52 PM  

MIRV888: I know I'm late to the thread.  Sorry if this has been addressed.  Wouldn't successfully sending numerous satellites out to the remote planets disprove the geocentric universe by experiment?


Unless you assume it's all lies on a soundstage (yes grown adults actually believe this).
 
2014-04-07 08:35:01 PM  
www.therpf.com


Work with someone who doesn't believe we went to the moon...
 
2014-04-07 08:38:11 PM  

MIRV888: I know I'm late to the thread.  Sorry if this has been addressed.  Wouldn't successfully sending numerous satellites out to the remote planets disprove the geocentric universe by experiment?


The problem is that geocentrists don't believe we've actually done that. Especially not this guy, who also believes the Earth is flat, only thousands of years old and not billions, and that the universe was created in a literal Earth-week.

It is outright impossible for any of these things to be true while still believing space flight is anything but a hoax.
 
2014-04-07 08:38:11 PM  

Savage Belief: SnakeLee: "About one in four believe in geocentrism, which places the Earth at the center of the universe and the sun, planets, and stars revolving around it."

WTF??

I questioned that statistic as well.


Worldwide I find it plausible.  Lot's of places left with little to no education.
 
2014-04-07 08:38:24 PM  

ciberido: Ehcks: Ehcks: Not exactly, but close enough

Apparently I don't know how to post an image. Here's a link, then.
http://zidbits.com/2011/09/the-earth-doesnt-actually-orbit-the-sun/

Your link is wrong.  "The Earth doesn't even orbit where the barycenter currently is. It orbits where it was roughly eight minutes ago"

While theoretically limited to the speed of light, for purposes of orbital mechanics, the "speed of gravity" is assumed to be infinite.  If you try to work out our solar system based on assuming that gravity "travels at the speed of light" (and assuming Newtonian mechanics) it doesn't work.


That's really cool!
 
2014-04-07 08:40:16 PM  

Pointy Tail of Satan: Zariski-Riemann space? Affine space?

Who knew that Kate Mulgrew was the next Leonhard Euler!!!!!


Sigh......So much for physics humor.
 
2014-04-07 08:41:31 PM  

Ehcks: MIRV888: I know I'm late to the thread.  Sorry if this has been addressed.  Wouldn't successfully sending numerous satellites out to the remote planets disprove the geocentric universe by experiment?

The problem is that geocentrists don't believe we've actually done that. Especially not this guy, who also believes the Earth is flat, only thousands of years old and not billions, and that the universe was created in a literal Earth-week.

It is outright impossible for any of these things to be true while still believing space flight is anything but a hoax.


The fact that this guy believes the world is flat makes me wonder if he isn't a discordian. Flat-Earthers don't usually believe the Earth is flat. They are just discordians who have chosen to amuse themselves by watching people freak out.
 
2014-04-07 08:42:27 PM  

ciberido: While theoretically limited to the speed of light, for purposes of orbital mechanics, the "speed of gravity" is assumed to be infinite. If you try to work out our solar system based on assuming that gravity "travels at the speed of light" (and assuming Newtonian mechanics) it doesn't work.


Science is so confusing. I can almost see why some people give up and say goddidit.
 
2014-04-07 08:43:26 PM  
I hate when they say "X% of Americans believe..." as evidence of how backwater we are. In reality, most of the country falls in line with the UK on science issues, but then The South is a whole different animal.
 
2014-04-07 08:44:37 PM  

Pimparoo: Much more bothered by the fact Dr. Michio Kaku would be in something like this. The Star Trek lady can say she was just acting.

You would hope a theoretical physicist would be smarter than this.


Surely he had no idea that this nut job was going to be pro-geocentrism!!! I hope....
 
2014-04-07 08:45:19 PM  

ciberido: foxy_canuck: fusillade762: All I heard her say is "Everything we know about the universe is wrong". Considering about half the talking heads there are talking about dark matter and NOT geocentrism I think it's possible she wasn't aware of the nature of what she signed up for. I certainly think Michio Kaku can't be happy with having his position misrepresented.

Maybe they all thought it was a parody move? Or maybe it IS a parody movie?

Or quite likely the scientists suffered the same fate as David Albert in What the Bleep do we Know?  Interview is selectively edited and a scientist who thinks they are doing a documentary ends up as a figure endorsing pseudoscientific bunk.

Without seeing the film, I can sort of see where they appear to be going.  Not geocentrism in the classical sense, but rather our solar system is in the middle.  To a lay person, there is a good chunk of cosmological evidence that could be interpreted that way.  The consistent red-shift of almost everything, the fact that any direction you look is basically towards the big bang... stuff like that.  It's hard for someone who's not a high level expert who can understand at least some of the math to really get that stuff.

Is it really that hard to get the basic concept?  We're not in the center of the universe in roughly the same way we're not on the center of the world.  The world is actually (the surface of) a big round ball, so every point in the world has equal claim to being the "center" of a round surface that is finite but unbounded.  The universe works the same way  --- every point in it has equal claim to be being at the "center" of a surface that is likewise finite but unbounded, like the skin of an orange.

Sure, it's on a higher dimension than the few we intuitively experience, and the math is tricky, but the basic concept is quite elementary.

And that's before you even get to the "it's like we're on a balloon that is getting blown up so every point seems to be receding from every oth ...


I'm well aware and not arguing with any of that.  I'm just pointing out that given the level of derp about science these days (seriously, YECs, power bands, the healing power of magnets, tide goes in/tide goes out, EMR sensitivity, anti-vaxers... it's non-stop), it's not hard to believe someone could easily twist the evidence and models to present the universe as not quite geocentric and have far too many people who agree for any of us to be comfortable with.
 
2014-04-07 08:48:17 PM  

Deedeemarz: Pimparoo: Much more bothered by the fact Dr. Michio Kaku would be in something like this. The Star Trek lady can say she was just acting.

You would hope a theoretical physicist would be smarter than this.

Surely he had no idea that this nut job was going to be pro-geocentrism!!! I hope....


I can't seem to find any of the scientists or even Mulgrew making statements about this movie. The movie had its first screening today, according to their facebook page, but no one involved in any sense has posted anything on any of their social media pages.

It feels weird to want information faster than the internet can provide it.
 
2014-04-07 08:49:59 PM  
She must be thinking of a star system in the Delta quadrant.
 
2014-04-07 08:50:43 PM  

MIRV888: I know I'm late to the thread.  Sorry if this has been addressed.  Wouldn't successfully sending numerous satellites out to the remote planets disprove the geocentric universe by experiment?


They would simply dismiss the data as contrived.  They would say that either the satellites never existed or were programmed to send back false data or something else similar that would allow them to dismiss it.
 
2014-04-07 08:50:53 PM  

you are a puppet: Before you deride geocentrism you should know that it's an established theory with as many followers in the scientific community as those who deny the myth of climate change, and is almost at the number of scientists who believe in creationism and alchemy. It's a hell of a good theory and one that I'd be proud to teach my children if the stork ever brought any to me.


Pray harder, the kids will come.
 
2014-04-07 08:53:04 PM  

Tsar_Bomba1: [www.therpf.com image 544x435]


Work with someone who doesn't believe we went to the moon...


I'm amazed how many people I run into that have bought into that conspiracy theory.
 
2014-04-07 08:55:45 PM  

madgordy: as a historian who studies ancient history, medieval history, history of religions in Europe, Ancient philosophy, medieval philosophy  and contemporary philosophy (and a job fixing and deploying computers), I can point out and say without a doubt that

until quite recently people believed the world was round like a ball.


i.imgur.com

"The world, she's a-round like-a the apple-a!"

"She's flat, like the pancake!"

/she's a round--a, like-a my a-head
//*whack*  she's flat, like your head
 
2014-04-07 08:55:53 PM  

Ehcks: Deedeemarz: Pimparoo: Much more bothered by the fact Dr. Michio Kaku would be in something like this. The Star Trek lady can say she was just acting.

You would hope a theoretical physicist would be smarter than this.

Surely he had no idea that this nut job was going to be pro-geocentrism!!! I hope....

I can't seem to find any of the scientists or even Mulgrew making statements about this movie. The movie had its first screening today, according to their facebook page, but no one involved in any sense has posted anything on any of their social media pages.

It feels weird to want information faster than the internet can provide it.


Would you?  It either shows that you're a big enough fool to get suckered into participating in this or you are a big enough fool to believe it.
 
2014-04-07 08:58:48 PM  

Colin O'Scopy: So lemme make sure I get you:

An ACTOR spoke and people are believing what is being said.

By. An. ACTOR.


That explains why the US hasn't sent Special Forces to capture Jackie Gleeson for crimes against humanity.
 
2014-04-07 09:00:25 PM  

Callous: Ehcks: Deedeemarz: Pimparoo: Much more bothered by the fact Dr. Michio Kaku would be in something like this. The Star Trek lady can say she was just acting.

You would hope a theoretical physicist would be smarter than this.

Surely he had no idea that this nut job was going to be pro-geocentrism!!! I hope....

I can't seem to find any of the scientists or even Mulgrew making statements about this movie. The movie had its first screening today, according to their facebook page, but no one involved in any sense has posted anything on any of their social media pages.

It feels weird to want information faster than the internet can provide it.

Would you?  It either shows that you're a big enough fool to get suckered into participating in this or you are a big enough fool to believe it.


I would at least attempt to distance myself from it, because people are certainly asking them about the movie.
 
2014-04-07 09:00:53 PM  
www.quickmeme.com
 
2014-04-07 09:01:08 PM  
So Christians don't believe in gravity either? Cause that's the only way what they say would actually be true.
 
2014-04-07 09:01:35 PM  
I can't help but wonder if Kaku gave a very long interview he thought might have an impact on them and they hacked the shiat out of it to get him to sue so they can benefit from the publicity.
 
2014-04-07 09:03:42 PM  

pippi longstocking: So Christians don't believe in gravity either? Cause that's the only way what they say would actually be true.


See, science can't even figure out gravity! Stuff falls down, duh! Big theory...
 
2014-04-07 09:04:28 PM  
So, that Voyager episode where Janeway and Tom Paris de-evolved into slugs and f*cked and had slug babies is going to be the SECOND most retarded thing she has ever acted in?
 
2014-04-07 09:04:44 PM  

Ehcks: Callous: Ehcks: Deedeemarz: Pimparoo: Much more bothered by the fact Dr. Michio Kaku would be in something like this. The Star Trek lady can say she was just acting.

You would hope a theoretical physicist would be smarter than this.

Surely he had no idea that this nut job was going to be pro-geocentrism!!! I hope....

I can't seem to find any of the scientists or even Mulgrew making statements about this movie. The movie had its first screening today, according to their facebook page, but no one involved in any sense has posted anything on any of their social media pages.

It feels weird to want information faster than the internet can provide it.

Would you?  It either shows that you're a big enough fool to get suckered into participating in this or you are a big enough fool to believe it.

I would at least attempt to distance myself from it, because people are certainly asking them about the movie.


Distancing yourself might violate a contract.  I'm referring more to Mulgrew because I'm sure she got paid to narrate.  I'm still puzzled by Kaku's appearance unless like I said before they took him completely out of context to try and induce a lawsuit.
 
2014-04-07 09:05:38 PM  
I don't know what the fark Michio Kaku is doing in this shiat but I'm hoping he's the dissenting voice. Although derpsters aren't exactly known for allowing dissent.
 
2014-04-07 09:08:56 PM  

ciberido: Repo Man: Waiting to see if the Farkette who proudly proclaims her belief her belief in this nonsense makes an appearance ITT. I've never seen her try and defend it though, she just shiats and runs, kinda like a certain BMW guy.

Everyone knows that the Earth was spat out of a giant 3D printer, anyway.

[i2.kym-cdn.com image 400x169]


QA is gone man, let it go.
 
2014-04-07 09:09:21 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2014-04-07 09:10:02 PM  

ZZ9 Plural Z Alpha: [i.imgur.com image 850x635]


Oops
 
2014-04-07 09:11:34 PM  

fusillade762: Igor Jakovsky: LemSkroob: Pimparoo: Much more bothered by the fact Dr. Michio Kaku would be in something like this. The Star Trek lady can say she was just acting.

You would hope a theoretical physicist would be smarter than this.

Michio Kaku is a brilliant guy, but the dude is bordering on savant territory. He can recite (and then correct and rewrite) science textbooks by heart, but he can't remember people he met dozens of times before. He is also easily startled and confused a lot. I wouldnt be surprised if he has no idea what the film is about outside of his segment.

Dr Kaku used to appear fairly regularly on Fox news when physics and astronomy were being discussed. It might be the first time some of their viewers were exposed to actual science.

I wonder if he would have a court case for misrepresenting his views? Though they probably just asked him about dark matter/energy and as soon as he says science doesn't understand them yet they cut away to someone else who says "SEE, SCIENCE IS WRONG!!!"


Actually they would just ask him some questions he would answer and that would be it. These appearances were done live. He talked about string theory and extraterrestrial life possibilities among other things from the few times i saw him on there
 
2014-04-07 09:13:55 PM  

cannotsuggestaname: Eddie Adams from Torrance: Geo-centrists might actually be dumber than Creationists.

At least with creationism, it's all about interpreting (well ignoring actually) evidence of the past.

To see that the the planets orbit about the Sun, all you have to do is go outside and farking LOOK!


where do they fit in as compared to Flat Earthers though? That's the real question here.


At least the Flat Earth Society has great taste in music.
 
2014-04-07 09:14:18 PM  
How do the nut jobs explain Earth's seasons in a geocentric model?
 
2014-04-07 09:17:00 PM  

FlashHarry: Eddie Adams from Torrance: Geo-centrists might actually be dumber than Creationists.

i'm guessing a venn diagram of the two looks like a single circle.


Not even close.
 
2014-04-07 09:21:11 PM  

Close2TheEdge: WTFDYW: Um. Isn't it possible that she does not believe that shiat at all but is just getting paid for reading a script?

It is one thing to lend your voice to a fantasy film.  It's another thing to lend your voice to a "documentary" that is pure fantasy.

Sorry, she doesn't get off the hook on the excuse of picking up a check.  If she actually believes this nonsense, I've lost all respect for her as a person.


I'm sure she will be crying all over condo payment when she finds out.
 
2014-04-07 09:22:12 PM  
She probably got offered a fair amount of money to do it, and she probably knows as much about science as most actors do. To be fair, a lot of the "science" on Star Trek is BS, too.
 
2014-04-07 09:25:30 PM  
She sounds like a muppet
 
2014-04-07 09:25:45 PM  
 
2014-04-07 09:26:54 PM  
1 in 4 don't know the Earth orbits the Sun? Bullshiat. No way. Even if Farkers are 4 times as smart as the average American you'd have heard from a dozen or so in this thread. Think about it. Do any of you KNOW anyone who is a geocentrist? I know 911 Truthers, UFOlogists, and people who plan their life by the tarot, and I STILL don't know anyone who thinks everything revolves around the Earth.
Anybody know a geocentrist? Anybody?

You got trolled.
 
2014-04-07 09:28:15 PM  

Satanus Maximus: How do the nut jobs explain Earth's seasons in a geocentric model?


They don't.  It is already explained.

us.123rf.com
 
2014-04-07 09:29:20 PM  

trappedspirit: She sounds like a muppet


media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com
 
2014-04-07 09:29:35 PM  
A town not too far from where I grew up was the home of one of the early luminaries of the Flat Earth Society.  There is an event honoring him every year, along with some debate as to whether or not he was trolling.

As for Mulgrew, feh.  She was perfect for that annoying hypocrite Janeway, and is the sole reason I stopped watching Voyager.

And Avery Brooks can be as insane as he wants, as long he keeps his lovely voice.
 
2014-04-07 09:32:04 PM  

blacksho89: 1 in 4 don't know the Earth orbits the Sun? Bullshiat. No way. Even if Farkers are 4 times as smart as the average American you'd have heard from a dozen or so in this thread. Think about it. Do any of you KNOW anyone who is a geocentrist? I know 911 Truthers, UFOlogists, and people who plan their life by the tarot, and I STILL don't know anyone who thinks everything revolves around the Earth.
Anybody know a geocentrist? Anybody?

You got trolled.


Most of the people who can't answer that question never think about it and don't CARE if the earth revolves around the sun. They're not geocentric, they're just ignorant and guessing. My guess is Kate Mulgrew fits in that camp; a lot of actors are amazingly uneducated and incurious.
 
2014-04-07 09:45:06 PM  
I was surprised when I learned how conservative Mulgrew is, because throughout her career she's modeled herself after Katharine Hepburn, to the point where's she's blatantly aping her mannerisms and look. But Hepburn was very liberal her whole life, and her mother was one of the original founders of Planned Parenthood, while Mulgrew is rabidly anti-choice.
 
2014-04-07 09:45:15 PM  
The important thing is that William Shatners reputation as a man of science has not been damaged.
 
2014-04-07 09:46:26 PM  

Eddie Adams from Torrance: Geo-centrists might actually be dumber than Creationists.


Would like a word:

news.bbcimg.co.uk
 
2014-04-07 09:51:26 PM  

Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: I'll admit it. I'm part of the one in four who believes that the sun - and the entire universe - revolves around the Earth.

[o.aolcdn.com image 427x240]

Look at this diagram. Earth is clearly in the center. I don't know how you can argue with that.


I can argue it.  I just went outside and looked.  I don't see any large purple circles anywhere up there.  your photo is obviously 'shopped.
 
2014-04-07 09:52:38 PM  

katfairy: A town not too far from where I grew up was the home of one of the early luminaries of the Flat Earth Society.  There is an event honoring him every year, along with some debate as to whether or not he was trolling.

As for Mulgrew, feh.  She was perfect for that annoying hypocrite Janeway, and is the sole reason I stopped watching Voyager.

And Avery Brooks can be as insane as he wants, as long he keeps his lovely voice.


Captain Sisko got way cooler once he lost the hair, grew the goatee and became Hawk from Spenser For Hire. Now if they could have just given him a cool pair of shades.

media.tumblr.com
 
2014-04-07 09:52:45 PM  

Serious Post on Serious Thread: cannotsuggestaname: Blues_X: I think it's her making a house payment.

she has a starring role in Orange is the New Black series on Netflix.

Oooh! Netflix!

She'll never want again given the tens of hundreds of dollars that will wrack up!

She's an ACTRESS. For about $50 I could probably get her to leave an outgoing VM message for me saying the earth is 'turtles all the way down'.

[note to K.M., I will pay you $50 for that service, for realsies]


Smalltalk 80 is objects all the way down, at least until you hit the aforementioned turtles.
 
2014-04-07 09:54:39 PM  

Parthenogenetic: Satanus Maximus: How do the nut jobs explain Earth's seasons in a geocentric model?

They don't.  It is already explained.

[us.123rf.com image 450x300]


I've never quite gotten where you get "flat earth" from Genesis.

/then again, I don't see it as a science book
 
2014-04-07 09:56:14 PM  

Danger Avoid Death: katfairy: A town not too far from where I grew up was the home of one of the early luminaries of the Flat Earth Society.  There is an event honoring him every year, along with some debate as to whether or not he was trolling.

As for Mulgrew, feh.  She was perfect for that annoying hypocrite Janeway, and is the sole reason I stopped watching Voyager.

And Avery Brooks can be as insane as he wants, as long he keeps his lovely voice.

Captain Sisko got way cooler once he lost the hair, grew the goatee and became Hawk from Spenser For Hire. Now if they could have just given him a cool pair of shades.

[media.tumblr.com image 500x377]


Actually, that was the look he wanted from the start.  It just took him a while to talk the suits into letting him do it.  And while shades might have been cool, when I consider some of the abominations the costuming department came up with, I'm just as glad they left them out.
 
2014-04-07 09:57:54 PM  

Too Pretty For Prison: Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: I'll admit it. I'm part of the one in four who believes that the sun - and the entire universe - revolves around the Earth.

[o.aolcdn.com image 427x240]

Look at this diagram. Earth is clearly in the center. I don't know how you can argue with that.

I can argue it.  I just went outside and looked.  I don't see any large purple circles anywhere up there.  your photo is obviously 'shopped.


You're both wrong; I just looked out the window and I don't see the sun at all!  All I see is a bunch of grey with some blue here and there. Therefore, the sun does not revolve around us because there is no sun. Wake up, sheeple.
 
2014-04-07 10:02:24 PM  

Superjew: Monkeyfark Ridiculous: Astorix: Her dog whine voice is the main reason I refused to watch Voyager.

Agreed. And it isn't like she's a good actor with a grating voice. She's terrible. It is incredible that anyone ever gave her a role in anything.

We could have had Susan Gibney.  She was on the short list until Mulgrew up and Melisandre'd her way into the captain's chair.  :(

[img2.wikia.nocookie.net image 744x744]


Well played...

2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2014-04-07 10:05:48 PM  

Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: I'll admit it. I'm part of the one in four who believes that the sun - and the entire universe - revolves around the Earth.

[o.aolcdn.com image 427x240]

Look at this diagram. Earth is clearly in the center. I don't know how you can argue with that.


Even Cosmos admitted we are the center of the observable universe.   You can't see farther in one direction than you can in any other.  I was in the center of a fog cloud once.
 
2014-04-07 10:08:24 PM  
It's anti-science.
It's fiction.
It's Janeway leading everyone off in the wrong direction and getting everybody lost.

She fits right in.
 
2014-04-07 10:16:27 PM  
With very few exceptions, one really shouldn't look to actors (or actresses) for opinions on science or politics.

I meant that should be obvious, but yet here we are....
 
2014-04-07 10:28:41 PM  
286 posts and I'm the first? Fark, I am disappoint.

simpsonswiki.com
 
2014-04-07 10:39:17 PM  
Surprising since her husband is a liberal Democrat from Ohio. Figured Hagan wouldn't be keen on this crap.
 
2014-04-07 10:39:43 PM  
Nice.  I haven't been this far into left field since I heard about the guy who actually believed that the earth was flat - and ran the flat earth society out of a trailer in the desert.

Until, of course, the trailer caught fire and burned his wife to death. THAT truly made me sad.
 
2014-04-07 10:41:01 PM  

ZZ9 Plural Z Alpha: Geocentrism is still a thing people believe? That's off the potato scale level derp.


It's called "Biblical Astronomy" nowadays.  The proponents tend to be either fundamentalists who bother to extend their biblical literalism beyond evolution and the flood, or right-wing Catholics who don't actually believe that the sun goes around the Earth, but believe that no pope should ever back down on any any issue.
 
2014-04-07 10:47:27 PM  

stuhayes2010: Both sides are right since motion is relative to observer as stated by Galileo and Einstein.  Choose a frame of reference that suits you. It's called a Galilean transformation.


You're vaguely right.  They're both right regarding their observations, and their observations are indeed identical, differing only on what object you choose as an origin.  However, with regard to modelling the observations, the geocentrists choose the model that's more complicated and has less explanatory power.  That is, they choose the wrong model.  And the choice of model is really what is being debated here, not the observations.  So, they're wrong.

Degenz: Dumbass news writer. The Earth doesn't "revolve" around the Sun, it orbits our Sol (star). Celestial bodies revolve upon an axis and orbit other bodies of greater mass and gravity.


No, they're correct. The word you were expecting is "rotate".  The Earth "revolves" around the Sun while it "rotates" around its own axis. Hypercorrection strikes again..

Circusdog320:

Geocentric theory blown...

Unfortunately, I don't know if this would be enough to convince a geocentrist (though I'm not sure if anything would convince them).  That is, the phases of Venus would appear the same whether we assumed a geocentric or heliocentric projection.  They can always weasel out and say "Oh, yeah, Venus orbits the sun like the moon orbits the earth" and they've dodged your criticism while still being able to technically claim a geocentrist view.

For me, the best approach is to simply point out that the heliocentric model is easy to describe with pretty good accuracy (just integrate position over time with regard to momentum and newton's gravity function).  Modelling the geocentric model is also easy.. you just use the heliocentric model and transform the coordinates so Earth is at the center *rimshot*.

Modelling geocentrism without defining it in terms of heliocentrism, however, requires epicycles and just isn't that accurate, especially when you consider general relativity.  Modelling anything complex, like unstable 3+ body systems using epicycles.. well, that would melt my brain.

For fun, here's a simulation recorded with the earth as center.

http://youtu.be/bloVS0GPbiU

When viewed on the scale of years, it's plain to see how absurdly complex the geocentric model would need to be in order to be correct.  Especially compared to heliocentric motion, which I didn't include because it'd just be a bunch of unchanging ellipses.
 
2014-04-07 11:11:48 PM  
I always imagined Janeway bumming smokes off Chakotay.
 
2014-04-07 11:16:44 PM  

falkone32: stuhayes2010: Both sides are right since motion is relative to observer as stated by Galileo and Einstein.  Choose a frame of reference that suits you. It's called a Galilean transformation.

You're vaguely right.  They're both right regarding their observations, and their observations are indeed identical, differing only on what object you choose as an origin.  However, with regard to modelling the observations, the geocentrists choose the model that's more complicated and has less explanatory power.  That is, they choose the wrong model.  And the choice of model is really what is being debated here, not the observations.  So, they're wrong.

Degenz: Dumbass news writer. The Earth doesn't "revolve" around the Sun, it orbits our Sol (star). Celestial bodies revolve upon an axis and orbit other bodies of greater mass and gravity.

No, they're correct. The word you were expecting is "rotate".  The Earth "revolves" around the Sun while it "rotates" around its own axis. Hypercorrection strikes again..

Circusdog320:

Geocentric theory blown...

Unfortunately, I don't know if this would be enough to convince a geocentrist (though I'm not sure if anything would convince them).  That is, the phases of Venus would appear the same whether we assumed a geocentric or heliocentric projection.  They can always weasel out and say "Oh, yeah, Venus orbits the sun like the moon orbits the earth" and they've dodged your criticism while still being able to technically claim a geocentrist view.

For me, the best approach is to simply point out that the heliocentric model is easy to describe with pretty good accuracy (just integrate position over time with regard to momentum and newton's gravity function).  Modelling the geocentric model is also easy.. you just use the heliocentric model and transform the coordinates so Earth is at the center *rimshot*.

Modelling geocentrism without defining it in terms of heliocentrism, however, requires epicycles and just isn't that accurate, especia ...


Geocentricism should be considered grounds for institutionalization. It is on the level of saying you're a pink rabbit and so everyone should call you George and worship you as king.
 
2014-04-07 11:33:26 PM  
I guess this goes to show you don't need to be a rocket scientist to graduate from Star Fleet Academy.
 
2014-04-07 11:45:06 PM  

Danger Avoid Death: media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com


Did The Muppet Show originate the "...in...SPAAAACE" gimmick, or did they get it from somewhere else?
 
2014-04-07 11:49:59 PM  

LoneWolf343: Geocentricism should be considered grounds for institutionalization. It is on the level of saying you're a pink rabbit and so everyone should call you George and worship you as king.


awholelotofnothing.net
 
2014-04-07 11:51:06 PM  

stuhayes2010: Both sides are right since motion is relative to observer as stated by Galileo and Einstein.  Choose a frame of reference that suits you. It's called a Galilean transformation.


Um, no.  Einstein understood the concept of inertial frames of reference, which you apparently don't.  Also, he would have had a problem with the stars whipping around at many, many times the speed of light in order circle the Earth every 24 hours at such incredible distances.
 
2014-04-08 12:03:20 AM  

FlashHarry: conservative is one thing. batshiat crazy is another.


Actually, no.
 
2014-04-08 12:03:30 AM  

LoneWolf343: Geocentricism should be considered grounds for institutionalization. It is on the level of saying you're a pink rabbit and so everyone should call you George and worship you as king.



That's not true. The superiority of a heliocentric model is not some kind of straightforward immediately-perceptible truth that is staring you in the face every time you look at the sky. Most people accept it because it's what they've been taught, not because they'd have the first clue how to justify that position.
 
2014-04-08 12:08:27 AM  

fusillade762: ciberido: Repo Man: Waiting to see if the Farkette who proudly proclaims her belief her belief in this nonsense makes an appearance ITT. I've never seen her try and defend it though, she just shiats and runs, kinda like a certain BMW guy.

Everyone knows that the Earth was spat out of a giant 3D printer, anyway.

[i2.kym-cdn.com image 400x169]

QA is gone man, let it go.


I has a sad.  There was a certain zesty zaniness to it all.
 
2014-04-08 12:19:59 AM  

ciberido: Everyone knows that the Earth was spat out of a giant 3D printer, anyway.


You were spat out of a 3D printer.  You called her mom.
 
2014-04-08 12:22:36 AM  
oi59.tinypic.com
 
2014-04-08 12:24:18 AM  

Gecko Gingrich: A platter, oriented on a parallel plane to that of the moon, would also cast a circular shadow on the moon.


That works if the moon is overhead during the lunar eclipse.  But we also cast a circular shadow on the moon if the moon is way over near the east or west horizon during the eclipse.
 
2014-04-08 12:27:27 AM  
"I SAID... What do Jews need with a starship?"

www.blastr.com
 
2014-04-08 12:33:39 AM  
There is no center to the universe because there is no outer boundry to the universe.  The Earth orbits the Sun, the Sun orbits the Galactic Core, and our Milky Way is dancing with the other galaxies through the void.

/Came for Remo Williams reference
//Leaving satisfied
 
2014-04-08 12:54:43 AM  
Now will you believe it is not about sexism when I say Janeway was the worst Star Trek captain?
 
2014-04-08 01:02:19 AM  

fusillade762: All I heard her say is "Everything we know about the universe is wrong". Considering about half the talking heads there are talking about dark matter and NOT geocentrism I think it's possible she wasn't aware of the nature of what she signed up for. I certainly think Michio Kaku can't be happy with having his position misrepresented.

Maybe they all thought it was a parody move? Or maybe it IS a parody movie?


Girl has to make papers, you know OITNB don't pay shiat.
 
2014-04-08 01:05:04 AM  

Eddie Adams from Torrance: Geo-centrists might actually be dumber than Creationists.

At least with creationism, it's all about interpreting (well ignoring actually) evidence of the past.

To see that the the planets orbit about the Sun, all you have to do is go outside and farking LOOK!


Yeah, it's not that simple.
 
2014-04-08 01:13:27 AM  
Oh god damn, and NOW, FINALLY, I'm vindicated for my hate of ST:V.

WIN!
 
2014-04-08 01:37:18 AM  

Superjew: Monkeyfark Ridiculous: Astorix: Her dog whine voice is the main reason I refused to watch Voyager.

Agreed. And it isn't like she's a good actor with a grating voice. She's terrible. It is incredible that anyone ever gave her a role in anything.

We could have had Susan Gibney.  She was on the short list until Mulgrew up and Melisandre'd her way into the captain's chair.  :(

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Could've had Genevieve Bujold. The scene I've seen was a complete disaster, but if she had put any effort into it she could have made a much stronger Janeway.
upload.wikimedia.org
 
2014-04-08 02:15:03 AM  
Morgan Freeman must be livid.
 
2014-04-08 02:36:23 AM  
24.media.tumblr.com
 
2014-04-08 04:08:44 AM  

foxy_canuck: ciberido: foxy_canuck: fusillade762: All I heard her say is "Everything we know about the universe is wrong". Considering about half the talking heads there are talking about dark matter and NOT geocentrism I think it's possible she wasn't aware of the nature of what she signed up for. I certainly think Michio Kaku can't be happy with having his position misrepresented.

Maybe they all thought it was a parody move? Or maybe it IS a parody movie?

Or quite likely the scientists suffered the same fate as David Albert in What the Bleep do we Know?  Interview is selectively edited and a scientist who thinks they are doing a documentary ends up as a figure endorsing pseudoscientific bunk.

Without seeing the film, I can sort of see where they appear to be going.  Not geocentrism in the classical sense, but rather our solar system is in the middle.  To a lay person, there is a good chunk of cosmological evidence that could be interpreted that way.  The consistent red-shift of almost everything, the fact that any direction you look is basically towards the big bang... stuff like that.  It's hard for someone who's not a high level expert who can understand at least some of the math to really get that stuff.

Is it really that hard to get the basic concept?  We're not in the center of the universe in roughly the same way we're not on the center of the world.  The world is actually (the surface of) a big round ball, so every point in the world has equal claim to being the "center" of a round surface that is finite but unbounded.  The universe works the same way  --- every point in it has equal claim to be being at the "center" of a surface that is likewise finite but unbounded, like the skin of an orange.

Sure, it's on a higher dimension than the few we intuitively experience, and the math is tricky, but the basic concept is quite elementary.

And that's before you even get to the "it's like we're on a balloon that is getting blown up so every point seems to be receding from ...


Fair enough.
 
2014-04-08 07:56:11 AM  
No time cube? Disapointed.

Till You KNOW 4 Simultaneous Days
Rotate In Same 24 Hours Of Earth
You Don't Deserve To Live On Earth
 
2014-04-08 07:58:32 AM  
CTRL-F "barycenter "

good. at least someone knows real stuff.
 
2014-04-08 08:20:46 AM  
Junk science?  How about NOT science.

Not surprised this is the only work Kate Mulgrew could get.  Star Trek Voyager sucked, the only good thing in that series was Jeri Ryan.


img.fark.net
 
2014-04-08 08:38:26 AM  

Jorn the Younger: There is no center to the universe because there is no outer boundry to the universe.  The Earth orbits the Sun, the Sun orbits the Galactic Core, and our Milky Way is dancing with the other galaxies through the void.

/Came for Remo Williams reference
//Leaving satisfied


THIS just in !!!!!!

When you are standing (or sitting for that matter) on a ROTATING object, the world APPEARS to revolve around you. It's called an optical illusion and it is created by combining your singular perspective with the rotation.
 
2014-04-08 08:39:38 AM  

Strik3r: Jorn the Younger: There is no center to the universe because there is no outer boundry to the universe.  The Earth orbits the Sun, the Sun orbits the Galactic Core, and our Milky Way is dancing with the other galaxies through the void.

/Came for Remo Williams reference
//Leaving satisfied

THIS just in !!!!!!

When you are standing (or sitting for that matter) on a ROTATING object, the world eveything not on the rotating object APPEARS to revolve around you. It's called an optical illusion and it is created by combining your singular perspective with the rotation.


FTFM
 
2014-04-08 09:07:57 AM  

DjangoStonereaver: She's got to be just picking up a cheque.


I am surprised that someone did not say that before you.  Folks, she is an actress.  Someone has her say things in front of a camera and/or microphone and pays her.   That is her occupation.
 
2014-04-08 09:14:09 AM  

SnakeLee: "About one in four believe in geocentrism, which places the Earth at the center of the universe and the sun, planets, and stars revolving around it."

WTF??


It was not a great poll maybe one third didn't understand the question and and others just don't do well on tests.
 
2014-04-08 09:22:47 AM  

FlashHarry: optikeye: I thought it was well known she's a very conservative in her beliefs.

conservative is one thing. batshiat crazy is another.


wich is somewhat strange bedfellows since she is married to a small scale (think county level) Democrat Politician.
 
2014-04-08 12:59:22 PM  

Gecko Gingrich: Felgraf: "Wait, we cast a circular shadow on the moon, when the sun is behind us.

A platter, oriented on a parallel plane to that of the moon, would also cast a circular shadow on the moon.


Yes, but the moon and the sun aren't always on the same plane.
 
2014-04-08 02:43:32 PM  

fusillade762: I certainly think Michio Kaku can't be happy with having his position misrepresented.


In Phil Plait's article, he quotes Lawrence Krauss as saying that he didn't do anything for this movie, but they used out-of-context quotes. Perhaps Kaku was used the same way.

Not a huge fan of Kaku, who seems to enjoy feeding quantum nonsense to the woo-woo crowd. But I can't see him saying anything positive about Geocentrism in context.
 
2014-04-08 02:56:20 PM  

tennyson: In Phil Plait's article, he quotes Lawrence Krauss as saying that he didn't do anything for this movie, but they used out-of-context quotes. Perhaps Kaku was used the same way.


Not the first movie in which physicists would be enraged over being quoted out of context...

/and I agree, Kaku is like a milder Deepak Chopra
 
2014-04-08 03:26:45 PM  

common sense is an oxymoron: PunGent: ZZ9 Plural Z Alpha: Geocentrism is still a thing people believe? That's off the potato scale level derp.

On the plus side, it made sextants work...

No, really.

If geocentrism made sextants work, navigators could have used the planets as references. The reason they used stars is because stars are so distant that the difference between the two models (parallax error) is too small to make a difference.


Eh, stars aside, my understanding of the sextant is that it's based on the idea that the sun goes around the earth, ie, its apparent motion.

No biggie.
 
2014-04-08 04:01:56 PM  
common sense is an oxymoron:

If geocentrism made sextants work, navigators could have used the planets as references. The reason they used stars is because stars are so distant that the difference between the two models (parallax error) is too small to make a difference.

My sextant works just fine with planets.  It just takes a bit more data.  I give you the Nautical Almanac:

upload.wikimedia.org

So, yeah... the stars are simpler.  The spherical math required to reduce the sights does assume heliocentrism, so...

PunGent:
Eh, stars aside, my understanding of the sextant is that it's based on the idea that the sun goes around the earth, ie, its apparent motion.

No
 
2014-04-08 04:05:28 PM  
sinanju:  So, yeah... the stars are simpler.  The spherical math required to reduce the sights does assume heliocentrism, so...

PunGent:
Eh, stars aside, my understanding of the sextant is that it's based on the idea that the sun goes around the earth, ie, its apparent motion.

No


I should be more complete.  Those tables are calculated for an observer standing somewhere on earth.  However, It assumes a heliocentric model.
 
2014-04-08 05:02:03 PM  
"I understand there has been some controversy about my participation in a documentary called THE PRINCIPLE. Let me assure everyone that I completely agree with the eminent physicist Lawrence Krauss, who was himself misrepresented in the film, and who has written a succinct rebuttal in SLATE. I am not a geocentrist, nor am I in any way a proponent of geocentrism. More importantly, I do not subscribe to anything Robert Sungenis has written regarding science and history and, had I known of his involvement, would most certainly have avoided this documentary. I was a voice for hire, and a misinformed one, at that. I apologize for any confusion that my voice on this trailer may have caused. Kate Mulgrew" Link
 
2014-04-08 05:12:55 PM  

Felgraf: Yes, but the moon and the sun aren't always on the same plane.


Sure, we know that *now*. I was simply countering the, "Well duh! Of course the Earth is round! I mean just look at the shadow on the Moon!"
 
2014-04-08 05:19:04 PM  

Mad_Radhu: We proved this shiat wrong hundreds of years ago. There is no point in arguing about it anymore.

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Flat earthers were proved wrong by math 1000s of years ago (by simple geometry) and they still persist.

As I see it the Hierarchy of stupid is this:

          GW Denier
         Anti-vax
      YE Creationists
    Geocenterists
FLAT EARTHERS
 
2014-04-08 06:00:59 PM  

onzmadi: Mad_Radhu: We proved this shiat wrong hundreds of years ago. There is no point in arguing about it anymore.

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Flat earthers were proved wrong by math 1000s of years ago (by simple geometry) and they still persist.


Yeah.  The astrolabe dates back to 150 BC and immediately runs into the problem of a spherical earth.  It's solved with the ability to swap tympans for different latitudes.  Aristotle acknowledged a spherical earth a couple hundred years before that.
 
2014-04-08 08:46:17 PM  
LemSkroob:

Its very easy to disprove. you dont even need actual "proof" (as in direct evidence or real data)

All that shiat that we put into space has to be programmed. The programming is done by scientists and engineers. Scientists and engineers believe the sun is at the center and the earth rotates around it. That programming is based on equations that assume that belief.

Therefore, if the stuff in the sky actually works (like, your DirectTV package that you watch the 700 club on), then the earth must revolve around the sun.


Good deductive reasoning.  Nice.
 
2014-04-08 09:19:52 PM  

falkone32: No, they're correct. The word you were expecting is "rotate".  The Earth "revolves" around the Sun while it "rotates" around its own axis. Hypercorrection strikes again..


More like, Fox Noise hyperpoliticalcorrectness strickes again.
 
2014-04-08 09:37:36 PM  
LOL, people still arguing there is no difference between "rovolve," "rotate" and "orbit." This is why morons on comment boards still insist that "should of," "would of," and "could of" is acceptable while simultaneously getting butt hurt at immigrants for not speaking The Queens English.

You're farking mental illness revolves around an inordinate sense of ego fueled by a rotating news cycle of Fox Noise echo chamber bullshiat orbiting a gaseous blob of methane.

Happy now?
 
2014-04-08 10:40:53 PM  

Degenz: LOL, people still arguing there is no difference between "rovolve," "rotate" and "orbit." This is why morons on comment boards still insist that "should of," "would of," and "could of" is acceptable while simultaneously getting butt hurt at immigrants for not speaking The Queens English.

You're farking mental illness revolves around an inordinate sense of ego fueled by a rotating news cycle of Fox Noise echo chamber bullshiat orbiting a gaseous blob of methane.

Happy now?


I can't let this be the last post.

"REvolve"
"ARE acceptable" (X, Y, and Z ARE, not IS)
"YOUR"
 
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