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(The Daily Beast)   Kenneth Miller who wrote the biology textbook that is most often attacked by "creationists" has just won the Vatican's Laetare Medal, given to a Catholic "whose genius has ennobled the arts and sciences, ... and enriched the heritage of humanity"   (thedailybeast.com ) divider line
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2014-04-07 01:47:51 PM  

brandent: Francis calls Christian Ideology a sickness.

http://beforeitsnews.com/prophecy/2013/12/pope-francis-fundamentalis t- christians-are-mentally-sick-pope-francis-calls-muslims-brothers-and-s isters-false-prophet-pt-2-video-video-2456566.html


The density of crazy-per-inch2over there is exceedingly high. It is dangerously close to collapsing into a singularity of batshiat insane.
 
2014-04-07 01:48:05 PM  

Magorn: I was unaware the Catholic Church has a Holy Office of Maximum Trolling....good on them


It's unofficial title is the Holy See What You Did There
 
2014-04-07 01:48:15 PM  

Magorn: durbnpoisn: Satanic_Hamster: Catholics don't count as Christians to creationists, subby.

This.

I'm not a Catholic.  But my understanding is that they are among the few that are no so "fundemental" in their belief in the Bible.  They knowingly accept that it is a collection of stories, lessons, and parables.  Not to be taken so literally.
So I'm not surprised by this.

Actually I can;t say for sure since I was raised Catholic, but I would venture to say that biblical literalism is doctrine in only a VERY small minority of identified Christian denominations, and even among THEM "Young Earth Creationism" is a minority opinion (as that 6,000 year old thing is from the Bishop of Ussher not the bible).  But by far, they get the most attention since they are so loud and vocal with their views  (Flat earthers are also Biblical literalists by the way, saying the Earth MUST be flat because the bible talks about the "Four Corners" of the earth, and a sphere has no corners so obviously.......)


Assuming these people still exist, do they simply deny that we have photographs of what they Earth looks like from off-planet?  Or any of the other myriad of examples, the least of which modern observation can provide?  Like...  Without leaving the planet, you could see the shadow of the Earth on the moon during an eclipse.

Seriously, do these people still exist?
 
2014-04-07 01:48:54 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: Catholics don't count as Christians to creationists, subby.


That's ok, humanity doesn't count creationists as Christians either.
 
2014-04-07 01:49:46 PM  

PIP_the_TROLL: Wellon Dowd: For several centuries the Catholic church has had no disagreement with basic science. They might have issue with how scientific knowledge is applied (e.g., birth control) but there is no conflict between Catholic doctrine and mainstream science.

This is true for pretty much all Christians.

There's a very vocal idiot circle in the United States that you guys seem to think represents Christians in general, but it's not so.


Here is a picture of a very vocal idiot circle. Of course they don't 'represent' anything.

images.politico.com
 
2014-04-07 01:49:51 PM  
First, God created the world, then he created a whole bunch of heathens that didn't know about him like the ancient Chinese and Indians among many others, and when they died they went to hell because they didn't know that Jesus would come along in a few thousand years and die for their sins to save them from their heathen asses.  Conclusion: God is a dick.
 
2014-04-07 01:52:56 PM  

cgraves67: Satanic_Hamster: Catholics don't count as Christians to creationists, subby.

And the current official Catholic teaching is evolution.


Not quite.

The Catholic Church has no "teaching" with respect to evolution.  That is the realm of science, which the Church does not teach, but instead leaves to the scientists.  The only exception is that the soul must be made by God.

From Vatican II: "methodical research in all branches of knowledge, provided it is carried out in a truly scientific manner and does not override moral laws, can never conflict with the faith, because the things of the world and the things of faith derive from the same God. The humble and persevering investigator of the secrets of nature is being led, as it were, by the hand of God in spite of himself, for it is God, the conserver of all things, who made them what they are. "

If tomorrow, the scientists of the world announced that, based on pure and proper scientific grounds, "evolution is false, we did not evolve from monkeys, a small bang of matter generated from fish poop led to humans", the Church would not object.
 
2014-04-07 01:54:39 PM  
Really a non-story.  Catholic high school 1964 to '68.  In Biology class, evolution was taught exclusively.  Things like Lamarckism,etc., were only mentioned as examples of disproved theories or simply non-scientific beliefs.  In those days, creationism was not really a big deal on the public stage.  The brother who taught the class, didn't bring God into the any of the discussions, in any of the areas of biology. A good Catholic education and 4 years of high school science, turned me into the atheist I am today.  Thanks Marist brothers!
 
2014-04-07 01:54:54 PM  

dryknife: Catholics have never been encouraged to read the Bible.


Not true.  Two readings from the old testament and one from the new every week in Mass.  Plus there are often extra classes even for adults where bible study and reading take place.

Plus the Catholics have the only true bible passed down from the apostle Paul, not that heathen bible written for a King.
 
2014-04-07 01:55:02 PM  

Zik-Zak: cgraves67: Zasteva: Just this morning I was seeing something about another attack by the Catholic Church on gay rights... and thinking fark those guys...

Now they have to go and do something like this?!?

Cut it out Catholic Church -- you are supposed to be either all good or all evil. This good sometimes bad others thing is just not working for me.

You can always try a different hokey religion's doctrine: "Only the Sith deal in absolutes"

Isn't that an absolute?


www.dmeb.net
 
2014-04-07 01:55:07 PM  

stuhayes2010: Satanic_Hamster: Catholics don't count as Christians to creationists, subby.

This.


And the Church has always been onboard with evolution, at least for the last 60 or 80 years.
 
2014-04-07 01:57:40 PM  

Suckmaster Burstingfoam: Take that, Protestant apostates!


Episcopals aren't $^$ crazy either.  And we drink.  A lot.
 
2014-04-07 01:58:29 PM  
What I find interesting is that the "Earth is 6000 years old" thing was originally an honest attempt to determine the age of the Earth through historic sources. Of course this was before things like evolution and geology were fully understood and the result is pretty close to the beginning of recorded history, which is what you'd expect when working almost solely from historic texts. It was only after it became obvious that a literal interpretation of Genesis was impossible that people latched onto the 6000 years number as "proof" rather than interesting but idle speculation about the age of the universe.
 
2014-04-07 01:59:23 PM  

durbnpoisn: Magorn: durbnpoisn: Satanic_Hamster: Catholics don't count as Christians to creationists, subby.

This.

I'm not a Catholic.  But my understanding is that they are among the few that are no so "fundemental" in their belief in the Bible.  They knowingly accept that it is a collection of stories, lessons, and parables.  Not to be taken so literally.
So I'm not surprised by this.

Actually I can;t say for sure since I was raised Catholic, but I would venture to say that biblical literalism is doctrine in only a VERY small minority of identified Christian denominations, and even among THEM "Young Earth Creationism" is a minority opinion (as that 6,000 year old thing is from the Bishop of Ussher not the bible).  But by far, they get the most attention since they are so loud and vocal with their views  (Flat earthers are also Biblical literalists by the way, saying the Earth MUST be flat because the bible talks about the "Four Corners" of the earth, and a sphere has no corners so obviously.......)

Assuming these people still exist, do they simply deny that we have photographs of what they Earth looks like from off-planet?  Or any of the other myriad of examples, the least of which modern observation can provide?  Like...  Without leaving the planet, you could see the shadow of the Earth on the moon during an eclipse.

Seriously, do these people still exist?


Yep still alive and kicking, and as for all those images from "space"   faked on the sound stage they hoaxed up the moon landing on (in fact flat earthers were the original "the Moon landing is a hoax"  folks) and NASA apparently has a "Night's Watch"-like division that keeps people from climbing the giant ice wall in Antarctica and falling off the edge of the world.  I blieve people have even offered to send the president of the Flat Earth Society into space personally aboard a Virgin Rocket bu claims it would all just be an elaborate and convincing hoax anyway so why bother?
 
2014-04-07 02:01:50 PM  
• evolution is a fact, not a theory. it is observable both in the lab and in nature.
• the "theory" is natural selection as a cause for evolution.
• also, a scientific theory isn't the same thing as an everyday i-think-my-neighbor-is-stealing-my-wifi type of theory.
 
2014-04-07 02:02:40 PM  

enry: Suckmaster Burstingfoam: Take that, Protestant apostates!

Episcopals aren't $^$ crazy either.  And we drink.  A lot.


before i finally admitted my atheism, i was a happily lapsed episcopalian. wonderful people. all the fun, without the guilt!
 
2014-04-07 02:02:56 PM  

dryknife: Catholics have never been encouraged to read the Bible.


A Catholic who goes to mass daily will hear / read the entire bible every three years. Although they do put the 'begats' in brackets if they need a shorter mass.
 
2014-04-07 02:03:00 PM  

Confabulat: I was raised Catholic, and I never heard of Young Earth Creationism from the Church. That crazy shiat comes from the nutcase fundie Christians, not Catholics, who are a bit nutty but in America anyway, usually quite sane.


I seem to recall it being taught as an aside -- that it exists. They also came clean on the whole "we farked up about Galileo" thing.
 
2014-04-07 02:03:58 PM  

Magorn: durbnpoisn: Satanic_Hamster: Catholics don't count as Christians to creationists, subby.

This.

I'm not a Catholic.  But my understanding is that they are among the few that are no so "fundemental" in their belief in the Bible.  They knowingly accept that it is a collection of stories, lessons, and parables.  Not to be taken so literally.
So I'm not surprised by this.

Actually I can;t say for sure since I was raised Catholic, but I would venture to say that biblical literalism is doctrine in only a VERY small minority of identified Christian denominations, and even among THEM "Young Earth Creationism" is a minority opinion (as that 6,000 year old thing is from the Bishop of Ussher not the bible).  But by far, they get the most attention since they are so loud and vocal with their views  (Flat earthers are also Biblical literalists by the way, saying the Earth MUST be flat because the bible talks about the "Four Corners" of the earth, and a sphere has no corners so obviously.......)



Rev 7:1: And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree.

OMG - it says the Earth is FLAT!!!

Isa 40:22 It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:

 No wait... it says it's a sphereish or a circle....

Which idiom am I supposed to mock?
 
2014-04-07 02:04:00 PM  

This text is now purple: durbnpoisn: Satanic_Hamster: Catholics don't count as Christians to creationists, subby.

This.

I'm not a Catholic.  But my understanding is that they are among the few that are no so "fundemental" in their belief in the Bible.  They knowingly accept that it is a collection of stories, lessons, and parables.  Not to be taken so literally.
So I'm not surprised by this.

Yes and no. The Old Testament is taught as a mixture of legend and history that mostly serves as an appendix to the New Testament. The New Testament is taught as the factual history of Jesus' life and works, as filtered through four assholes.


Five. If Saul of Tarsus had been illiterate, the Church would be in a much better place.
 
2014-04-07 02:05:29 PM  

SordidEuphemism: If Saul of Tarsus had been illiterate, the Church would be in a much better place.


there's nothing like a convert...
 
2014-04-07 02:07:25 PM  

Magorn: Yep still alive and kicking, and as for all those images from "space" faked on the sound stage they hoaxed up the moon landing on (in fact flat earthers were the original "the Moon landing is a hoax" folks) and NASA apparently has a "Night's Watch"-like division that keeps people from climbing the giant ice wall in Antarctica and falling off the edge of the world. I blieve people have even offered to send the president of the Flat Earth Society into space personally aboard a Virgin Rocket bu claims it would all just be an elaborate and convincing hoax anyway so why bother?


Great googily moogily.
Even the shadow of the Earth on the moon?  How do you fake that?!  That's a direct observation.
What about simply going up in a plane?  You can see the curve of the Earth easily at 30,000 ft.

That is just really some incridible denial.  Like, it takes more effort to DENY the truth than to accept it.
 
2014-04-07 02:07:56 PM  

durbnpoisn: Satanic_Hamster: Catholics don't count as Christians to creationists, subby.

This.

I'm not a Catholic.  But my understanding is that they are among the few that are no so "fundemental" in their belief in the Bible.  They knowingly accept that it is a collection of stories, lessons, and parables.  Not to be taken so literally.
So I'm not surprised by this.


As a Catholic, the bigger problem I faced from Baptists and other sects was that Catholics believe in a "faith of deeds." With the other churches, it's enough to *say* you like poor people, but you don't actually have to *do* anything aside from pay lip service once a week. I'd given up on Catholicism over the last couple decades, mostly because I'm gay, and they don't seem to dig that coontil Francis recently came along and said civil unions would be fine, because while he thinks marriage is between a man and a woman, charging people different tax rates and denying visitation in hospitals was just mean-spirited). Anyways, digressing back to the point, Catholics tend to (overall) vote more liberal than people who call themselves "evangelical"... but Catholics also tend to have a shorter tolerance for people who profess their devotion to Christ, but perform no discernable community service at all.

I hated Catholic school... but it taught me good habits, and I still volunteered at the food bank most weeks... I stopped about a month ago because, when pressed, I acknowledged that I had gone to Catholic school, and they all got pushy about whether or not I wanted to know the "real" Jesus. If they found out I am gay, I'm sure their version of "real" Jesus would want them to beat the crap out of me.

The other differentiating factor between Catholicism and other Christian relgions is the emphasis on the beatitudes, not just the ten commandments.... the beatitudes are the part of the Sermon on the Mount actually said by Jesus... the instructions he was laying out. The Jerks for Jesus angry Christians don't care much for what Jesus actually said:

3"Blessed are the poor in spirit,
    for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
4Blessed are those who mourn,
    for they will be comforted.
5Blessed are the meek,
    for they will inherit the earth.
6Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness,
    for they will be filled.
7Blessed are the merciful,
    for they will be shown mercy.
8Blessed are the pure in heart,
    for they will see God.
9Blessed are the peacemakers,
    for they will be called children of God.
10Blessed are those who are persecuted because of righteousness,
    for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Much of this runs very contrary to the Jerks for Jesus brands of Christianity that think the poor in spirit have no chance of getting into heaven, the meek are pussies, mercy is weakness, and peace is appeasement. Given their frequent demands to imprison the gays, tax them out of their homes (Windsor), or at the very least, deny hospital visitation, they aren't very good at the tenth either. The thing of it is, they try to plaster the Ten Commandments (Moses) everywhere... and they claim to be Christians, when they actively reject the things Christ purportedly said in the bible. Catholics aren't perfect by any means... but these people who use the bible as a cudgel, to divide people, and to incite hate... all without ever having actually read it... they're the worst kinds of hypocrites.
 
2014-04-07 02:08:11 PM  

FlashHarry: enry: Suckmaster Burstingfoam: Take that, Protestant apostates!

Episcopals aren't $^$ crazy either.  And we drink.  A lot.

before i finally admitted my atheism, i was a happily lapsed episcopalian. wonderful people. all the fun, without the guilt!


I was raised Catholic and rarely go to church (save for a wedding).  A recent ex-g/f of mine used to drag me to an Episcopal service every few weeks.  I always referred to it as "Catholic Light" since it provided the same basic structure and service without the Mary worship.
 
2014-04-07 02:10:24 PM  

cgraves67: Satanic_Hamster: Catholics don't count as Christians to creationists, subby.

If they don't count the single biggest denomination as part of their religion, then perhaps that's why they get that "Christianity is a persecuted minority" mentality.


Yes, actually... that is really the problem. I have Catholic friends, I have pentecostal friends, and I have friends who claim no denomination or refuse to go to church at all... and I personally respect all of them.

Sadly many in each camp distrust and dislike each other. Usually for reasons I cannot fathom.
 
2014-04-07 02:12:56 PM  

IndyMBA: FlashHarry: enry: Suckmaster Burstingfoam: Take that, Protestant apostates!

Episcopals aren't $^$ crazy either.  And we drink.  A lot.

before i finally admitted my atheism, i was a happily lapsed episcopalian. wonderful people. all the fun, without the guilt!

I was raised Catholic and rarely go to church (save for a wedding).  A recent ex-g/f of mine used to drag me to an Episcopal service every few weeks.  I always referred to it as "Catholic Light" since it provided the same basic structure and service without the Mary worship.


Yep.  Raised Catholic (lapsed for about 10 years), my wife was Lutheran.  When our daughter was born I was half dragged there and found out that a good portion of the congregation were also raised Catholic and converted at some point.  It took me a few years, but I made the leap and haven't looked back.  Also friendly to female priests, gay priests, and no real sex abuse scandal.
 
2014-04-07 02:13:29 PM  

IndyMBA: I always referred to it as "Catholic Light" since it provided the same basic structure and service without the Mary worship.


yup. plus apostolic succession, if you're into the whole laying-on-of-hands thing.
 
2014-04-07 02:14:07 PM  

Magorn: Flat earthers are also Biblical literalists by the way, saying the Earth MUST be flat because the bible talks about the "Four Corners" of the earth, and a sphere has no corners so obviously...


This guy disagrees.

http://www.timecube.com

/NSFSanity
 
2014-04-07 02:15:04 PM  

enry: Also friendly to female priests, gay priests, and no real sex abuse scandal.


my mom, a devout episcopalian, used to proudly wear a button that said, "my church has AIDS."
 
2014-04-07 02:18:29 PM  

IndyMBA: I always referred to it as "Catholic Light" since it provided the same basic structure and service without the Mary worship.


Are you Robin Williams? He made that joke in 1986, and it probably wasn't a new one even then.

// I assume you got it from someone who got it from someone...who got it from Williams; or else got it from wherever HE got it from (Methuselah, probably)
 
2014-04-07 02:19:39 PM  
The local PBS afflilate broadcast his talk at the University of Oregon.

It was a great talk.

Then some older gentlemen during the Q&A started attacking Miller as a fraud and charlatan and non-believer because he believed in evolution.

I'm hoping Miller's textbook is what was selected for the high school in our school district.  They are updating the curriculum, and I've been in touch with someone at the district and have been assured the science textbooks will BE science textbooks.
 
2014-04-07 02:19:44 PM  

vwr0527: brandent: Francis calls Christian Ideology a sickness.

http://beforeitsnews.com/prophecy/2013/12/pope-francis-fundamentalis t- christians-are-mentally-sick-pope-francis-calls-muslims-brothers-and-s isters-false-prophet-pt-2-video-video-2456566.html

The density of crazy-per-inch2over there is exceedingly high. It is dangerously close to collapsing into a singularity of batshiat insane.


True.  Which is why the link is relevant and confirms the Pope's statements.
 
2014-04-07 02:23:31 PM  

Gordian Cipher: Magorn: Flat earthers are also Biblical literalists by the way, saying the Earth MUST be flat because the bible talks about the "Four Corners" of the earth, and a sphere has no corners so obviously...

This guy disagrees.

http://www.timecube.com

/NSFSanity


That's something. I'm not sure what, but it is something.
 
2014-04-07 02:24:31 PM  

Dr Dreidel: // I assume you got it from someone who got it from someone...who got it from Williams; or else got it from wherever HE got it from (Methuselah, probably)


Probably saved it in my subconscious from when I was a kid listening to Williams' comedy courtesy of my parents.  I'd rather have his comedy stuck in my head rather than Howie Mandel's (another of my parents' favorites).
 
2014-04-07 02:26:56 PM  
For the record though, since Vatican 2... the Catholic Church has supported science, but not had official teachings. They have an official Astrophysics and Astronomy wing at the Vatican even... the current position of the Church is that the Church shouldn't dictate science, but use science to better understand God's creation. There are certain lines of scientific research they do not support (mostly embryonic stem cell stuff) for moral reasons... but the church isn't the anti-science order that it has been in the past.
 
2014-04-07 02:28:23 PM  

iheartscotch: This has nothing to do with Rome. It looks like Notre Dame University awards this particular award; unless, I'm reading the article wrong.


So what ? it's still in keeping with standard catholic beliefs. As it happens, catholics are great believers in science. The Catholic church has no problem, for example, with evolution or the Big Bang or a multi-billion year-old Earth.
 
2014-04-07 02:29:52 PM  

FlashHarry: enry: Also friendly to female priests, gay priests, and no real sex abuse scandal.

my mom, a devout episcopalian, used to proudly wear a button that said, "my church has AIDS."


So she didn't go in the summer?

/kidding, good on her
 
2014-04-07 02:37:14 PM  

firefly212: 3"Blessed are the poor in spirit,
    for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
4Blessed are those who mourn,
    for they will be comforted.
5Blessed are the meek,
    for they will inherit the earth.
6Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness,
    for they will be filled.
7Blessed are the merciful,
    for they will be shown mercy.
8Blessed are the pure in heart,
    for they will see God.
9Blessed are the peacemakers,
    for they will be called children of God.
10Blessed are those who are persecuted because of righteousness,
    for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.


Oh, the Jerks for Jesus use the Beatitudes, alright. Where do you think the persecution complex comes from?
 
2014-04-07 02:43:13 PM  

IndyMBA: Dr Dreidel: // I assume you got it from someone who got it from someone...who got it from Williams; or else got it from wherever HE got it from (Methuselah, probably)

Probably saved it in my subconscious from when I was a kid listening to Williams' comedy courtesy of my parents.  I'd rather have his comedy stuck in my head rather than Howie Mandel's (another of my parents' favorites).


His '86 routine is superior to the 2003 version, IMO. "Who decided cocaine was a good idea? 'Paranoid and impotent?! Gimme more of THAT!'"

// my dad (AFAIK, never touched the booger sugar) loves that line
// *gestures at chandeliers* "I want to thank Imelda Marcos for lending us her earrings for the evening..."
 
2014-04-07 02:44:27 PM  

Marine1: Catholics believe in evolution as the method through which God created the Universe. The difference is they believe there was a prime mover.


This guy?
www.airshipentertainment.com
 
2014-04-07 02:47:01 PM  

Zik-Zak: firefly212: 3"Blessed are the poor in spirit,
    for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
4Blessed are those who mourn,
    for they will be comforted.
5Blessed are the meek,
    for they will inherit the earth.
6Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness,
    for they will be filled.
7Blessed are the merciful,
    for they will be shown mercy.
8Blessed are the pure in heart,
    for they will see God.
9Blessed are the peacemakers,
    for they will be called children of God.
10Blessed are those who are persecuted because of righteousness,
    for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

Oh, the Jerks for Jesus use the Beatitudes, alright. Where do you think the persecution complex comes from?


It comes from within... seriously, ask a self-avowed evangelist to name the beatitudes... they can name the ten commandments easy... but they never bothered to read about that Jesus guy.... they also never bothered to consider whether or not they were being persecuted because of righteousness, or whether they were actually the ones persecuting because of righteousness. It is the kind of nuanced thought that people who live in a black and white world are simply incapable of.
 
2014-04-07 02:48:53 PM  

cgraves67: Satanic_Hamster: Catholics don't count as Christians to creationists, subby.

If they don't count the single biggest denomination as part of their religion, then perhaps that's why they get that "Christianity is a persecuted minority" mentality.


They only count them for the second of arguing that most of the country is Christians or if birth control is involved.

Personally, I love the stupidity of some of these evangelical/protestant churches.  "Sure, Christianity has been around for 2,000 years and our church is only 30 years old but if you don't follow OUR version of Christ then you're going to Hell!"
 
2014-04-07 02:52:11 PM  

firefly212: It comes from within... seriously, ask a self-avowed evangelist to name the beatitudes... they can name the ten commandments easy... but they never bothered to read about that Jesus guy.... they also never bothered to consider whether or not they were being persecuted because of righteousness, or whether they were actually the ones persecuting because of righteousness. It is the kind of nuanced thought that people who live in a black and white world are simply incapable of.


As long as they believe they're persecuted, they're persecuted, and they're in good with teh Jeezus. Hey, they already believe they're Christians, amirite?
 
2014-04-07 02:53:21 PM  

PIP_the_TROLL: There's a very vocal idiot circle in the United States that you guys seem to think represents Christians in general, but it's not so.


Folks like you keep saying this, but you don't farking do anything about it.

If the Braying Minority is sullying your Faith, call them out!  Expose their heresies!  Open some media outlets!  Become the dominant voice!

Because you're getting killed in the marketing department.

Step up your game!
 
2014-04-07 03:09:55 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: Catholics don't count as Christians to creationists, subby.


I came for this and am pleased to see it rolled out so early. For years I even thought the accusation was a joke until at a family function several years ago when, in response to a question to my wife about her Catholic upbringing from a distant relative, a megachurch fundie cousin spoke right up in a loud voice to state that Catholics are  NOT Christians, but rather blasphemous idol worshipers who were going to burn in eternal hellfire.

My snort of derision further provoked her into denouncing my Jewish mother before other family members intervened to restore order to a rapidly devolving situation. Whoa...can't we all just get along? ;^)
 
2014-04-07 03:10:41 PM  

durbnpoisn: Even the shadow of the Earth on the moon?  How do you fake that?!  That's a direct observation.


Not singling you out here..many have mentioned this or the "circle of the earth" in the Bible..

A "circle" is, by definition, a plane-figure in geometry..that is, it is flat..  This is their 'out' on the shadows and pictures from space and whatnot..  Just pointing out..

Oh..!  Almost fergot..!  You can perfectly bound a square with a circle..  POOF..!  Any four arbitrary 'corners' you want..
 
2014-04-07 03:15:18 PM  

stuhayes2010: Satanic_Hamster: Catholics don't count as Christians to creationists, subby.

This.


I concur they don't. On the other hand I don't see them as christian.
 
2014-04-07 03:15:21 PM  

Stone Meadow: I came for this and am pleased to see it rolled out so early. For years I even thought the accusation was a joke until at a family function several years ago when, in response to a question to my wife about her Catholic upbringing from a distant relative, a megachurch fundie cousin spoke right up in a loud voice to state that Catholics are NOT Christians, but rather blasphemous idol worshipers who were going to burn in eternal hellfire.

My snort of derision further provoked her into denouncing my Jewish mother before other family members intervened to restore order to a rapidly devolving situation. Whoa...can't we all just get along? ;^)


Like I said earlier, I love those types of people.  I always want to ask them why, if theirs is the only true form of Christianity, it took nearly 2000 years for their church to be founded.
 
2014-04-07 03:17:52 PM  

FizixJunkee: Mid_mo_mad_man: Magorn: I was unaware the Catholic Church has a Holy Office of Maximum Trolling....good on them

Francis is a roll with his trolling

Yeah, I'm loving the guy.

/Jewish


So you going to convert. Sorry could not resist. He is pretty cool.
 
2014-04-07 03:19:45 PM  

bigdog1960: FizixJunkee: Mid_mo_mad_man: Magorn: I was unaware the Catholic Church has a Holy Office of Maximum Trolling....good on them

Francis is a roll with his trolling

Yeah, I'm loving the guy.

/Jewish

So you going to convert. Sorry could not resist. He is pretty cool.


He would convert but he already bought the big fur hat.
 
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