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(The Daily Beast)   Kenneth Miller who wrote the biology textbook that is most often attacked by "creationists" has just won the Vatican's Laetare Medal, given to a Catholic "whose genius has ennobled the arts and sciences, ... and enriched the heritage of humanity"   (thedailybeast.com) divider line 151
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2014-04-07 01:10:29 PM
I was unaware the Catholic Church has a Holy Office of Maximum Trolling....good on them
 
2014-04-07 01:23:35 PM
Catholics don't count as Christians to creationists, subby.
 
2014-04-07 01:24:09 PM

Satanic_Hamster: Catholics don't count as Christians to creationists, subby.


This.
 
2014-04-07 01:25:38 PM

Magorn: I was unaware the Catholic Church has a Holy Office of Maximum Trolling....good on them


Francis is a roll with his trolling
 
2014-04-07 01:25:46 PM
Take that, Protestant apostates!
 
2014-04-07 01:25:58 PM

Satanic_Hamster: Catholics don't count as Christians to creationists, subby.


And the current official Catholic teaching is evolution.
 
2014-04-07 01:26:31 PM

Satanic_Hamster: Catholics don't count as Christians to creationists, subby.


What the lover of me said Subby.
 
2014-04-07 01:26:40 PM
Just this morning I was seeing something about another attack by the Catholic Church on gay rights... and thinking fark those guys...

Now they have to go and do something like this?!?

Cut it out Catholic Church -- you are supposed to be either all good or all evil. This good sometimes bad others thing is just not working for me.
 
2014-04-07 01:27:15 PM

Satanic_Hamster: Catholics don't count as Christians to creationists, subby.


This.  We're some sort of power-hungry heathens, if I remember correctly.
 
2014-04-07 01:29:02 PM

Satanic_Hamster: Catholics don't count as Christians to creationists, subby.


This.

I'm not a Catholic.  But my understanding is that they are among the few that are no so "fundemental" in their belief in the Bible.  They knowingly accept that it is a collection of stories, lessons, and parables.  Not to be taken so literally.
So I'm not surprised by this.
 
2014-04-07 01:30:45 PM

FriarReb98: Satanic_Hamster: Catholics don't count as Christians to creationists, subby.

This.  We're some sort of power-hungry heathens, if I remember correctly.


No, you're idolators, the joos and mooslums are heathens

Don't even get me started on Hindis and Budhists.
 
2014-04-07 01:30:55 PM

Mid_mo_mad_man: Magorn: I was unaware the Catholic Church has a Holy Office of Maximum Trolling....good on them

Francis is a roll with his trolling


Yeah, I'm loving the guy.

/Jewish
 
2014-04-07 01:31:17 PM
Catholics believe in evolution as the method through which God created the Universe. The difference is they believe there was a prime mover.

The United Methodist Church shares basically the same line.
 
2014-04-07 01:31:21 PM
If I had pushed an argument with my teacher back in highschool, I would have gone to detention for insisting that Catholics were Christians.
 
2014-04-07 01:31:54 PM

Zasteva: Just this morning I was seeing something about another attack by the Catholic Church on gay rights... and thinking fark those guys...

Now they have to go and do something like this?!?

Cut it out Catholic Church -- you are supposed to be either all good or all evil. This good sometimes bad others thing is just not working for me.


Franny did tell the bishops lay off the abortion,gays and hellfire sermons.
 
2014-04-07 01:32:29 PM
Remind me to spit on the ground in front of the Discovery Institute next time I'm in downtown Seattle
 
2014-04-07 01:33:05 PM
For several centuries the Catholic church has had no disagreement with basic science. They might have issue with how scientific knowledge is applied (e.g., birth control) but there is no conflict between Catholic doctrine and mainstream science.
 
2014-04-07 01:33:06 PM
Nice.
 
2014-04-07 01:33:25 PM
Catholics have never been encouraged to read the Bible.
 
2014-04-07 01:34:12 PM
img.fark.net

img.fark.net
 
2014-04-07 01:34:29 PM
What does that matter? Aren't Baptists the ones driving creationism?

/honestly don't know
 
2014-04-07 01:35:11 PM

Zasteva: Just this morning I was seeing something about another attack by the Catholic Church on gay rights... and thinking fark those guys...

Now they have to go and do something like this?!?

Cut it out Catholic Church -- you are supposed to be either all good or all evil. This good sometimes bad others thing is just not working for me.


You can always try a different hokey religion's doctrine: "Only the Sith deal in absolutes"
 
2014-04-07 01:35:17 PM

dryknife: Catholics have never been encouraged to read the Bible.


Nobody else does.
 
2014-04-07 01:35:34 PM

FizixJunkee: Mid_mo_mad_man: Magorn: I was unaware the Catholic Church has a Holy Office of Maximum Trolling....good on them

Francis is a roll with his trolling

Yeah, I'm loving the guy.

/Jewish


Me too, the guy is a breath of fresh air from fellow ceremonial buffs

/Wiccan
 
2014-04-07 01:35:40 PM

durbnpoisn: Satanic_Hamster: Catholics don't count as Christians to creationists, subby.

This.

I'm not a Catholic.  But my understanding is that they are among the few that are no so "fundemental" in their belief in the Bible.  They knowingly accept that it is a collection of stories, lessons, and parables.  Not to be taken so literally.
So I'm not surprised by this.


Yes and no. The Old Testament is taught as a mixture of legend and history that mostly serves as an appendix to the New Testament. The New Testament is taught as the factual history of Jesus' life and works, as filtered through four assholes.
 
2014-04-07 01:36:30 PM

Mid_mo_mad_man: Magorn: I was unaware the Catholic Church has a Holy Office of Maximum Trolling....good on them

Francis is a roll with his trolling


A Hot Cross bun?
B^D
 
2014-04-07 01:36:32 PM
This has nothing to do with Rome. It looks like Notre Dame University awards this particular award; unless, I'm reading the article wrong.
 
Oak
2014-04-07 01:37:03 PM

Marine1: Catholics believe in evolution as the method through which God created the Universe. The difference is they believe there was a prime mover.

The United Methodist Church shares basically the same line.


Evolution has nothing to do with the "creation of the universe."  It has to do with changes in living creatures over generations.

/Pierre Teilhard de Chardin was a Jesuit priest
 
2014-04-07 01:37:09 PM

Mentalpatient87: What does that matter? Aren't Baptists the ones driving creationism?

/honestly don't know


I've always wondered what creationism is like for other Christians in the world. I've only ever been exposed to American creationism (yeah, it's probably the various flavors of Baptists).
 
2014-04-07 01:37:25 PM
 
2014-04-07 01:37:42 PM
Yes well the everyone knows the Catholics are worshiping a false idol, the Pope, and not the one true God JESUS, the prosperity giver, as such they are all going to BURN IN HELL!
 
2014-04-07 01:38:40 PM

Billy Liar: Mid_mo_mad_man: Magorn: I was unaware the Catholic Church has a Holy Office of Maximum Trolling....good on them

Francis is a roll with his trolling

A Hot Cross bun?
B^D


I goofed on that. I got to learn to use preview. +3 for the timely food tie in.
 
2014-04-07 01:38:42 PM

durbnpoisn: Satanic_Hamster: Catholics don't count as Christians to creationists, subby.

This.

I'm not a Catholic.  But my understanding is that they are among the few that are no so "fundemental" in their belief in the Bible.  They knowingly accept that it is a collection of stories, lessons, and parables.  Not to be taken so literally.
So I'm not surprised by this.


Exactly.  Not to mention the Church realized that they kinda farked that whole Galileo thing.  Ever since about the 1750s, the Catholic Church has been pretty science minded.

See the Jesuits.
 
2014-04-07 01:38:57 PM
Glad it worked out better than Galileo.
 
2014-04-07 01:39:10 PM
Ken Ham's Answers in Genesis says Miller "appears to be blind" in his support for evolution, and unable to "distinguish between science and religious indoctrination."

Say what?
 
2014-04-07 01:39:34 PM

cgraves67: Zasteva: Just this morning I was seeing something about another attack by the Catholic Church on gay rights... and thinking fark those guys...

Now they have to go and do something like this?!?

Cut it out Catholic Church -- you are supposed to be either all good or all evil. This good sometimes bad others thing is just not working for me.

You can always try a different hokey religion's doctrine: "Only the Sith deal in absolutes"


Isn't that an absolute?
 
2014-04-07 01:39:40 PM

This text is now purple: durbnpoisn: Satanic_Hamster: Catholics don't count as Christians to creationists, subby.

This.

I'm not a Catholic.  But my understanding is that they are among the few that are no so "fundemental" in their belief in the Bible.  They knowingly accept that it is a collection of stories, lessons, and parables.  Not to be taken so literally.
So I'm not surprised by this.

Yes and no. The Old Testament is taught as a mixture of legend and history that mostly serves as an appendix to the New Testament. The New Testament is taught as the factual history of Jesus' life and works, as filtered through four assholes.


The New Testement is Tex-Mex?
 
2014-04-07 01:39:57 PM

This text is now purple: durbnpoisn: Satanic_Hamster: Catholics don't count as Christians to creationists, subby.

This.

I'm not a Catholic.  But my understanding is that they are among the few that are no so "fundemental" in their belief in the Bible.  They knowingly accept that it is a collection of stories, lessons, and parables.  Not to be taken so literally.
So I'm not surprised by this.

Yes and no. The Old Testament is taught as a mixture of legend and history that mostly serves as an appendix to the New Testament. The New Testament is taught as the factual history of Jesus' life and works, as filtered through four assholes.


so, Ecclesiastical Centipede?
 
2014-04-07 01:40:29 PM

Satanic_Hamster: Catholics don't count as Christians to creationists, subby.


Sadly, This.
 
2014-04-07 01:41:47 PM

Crewmannumber6: FriarReb98: Satanic_Hamster: Catholics don't count as Christians to creationists, subby.

This.  We're some sort of power-hungry heathens, if I remember correctly.

No, you're idolators, the joos and mooslums are heathens

Don't even get me started on Hindis and Budhists.


Why would anyone trust someone who worships the god Hindi? Why yes I do get all my religious information from congressional subcommittees. How did you know?
 
2014-04-07 01:42:07 PM

Wellon Dowd: For several centuries the Catholic church has had no disagreement with basic science. They might have issue with how scientific knowledge is applied (e.g., birth control) but there is no conflict between Catholic doctrine and mainstream science.


This is true for pretty much all Christians.

There's a very vocal idiot circle in the United States that you guys seem to think represents Christians in general, but it's not so.
 
2014-04-07 01:42:25 PM

durbnpoisn: Satanic_Hamster: Catholics don't count as Christians to creationists, subby.

This.

I'm not a Catholic.  But my understanding is that they are among the few that are no so "fundemental" in their belief in the Bible.  They knowingly accept that it is a collection of stories, lessons, and parables.  Not to be taken so literally.
So I'm not surprised by this.


Actually I can;t say for sure since I was raised Catholic, but I would venture to say that biblical literalism is doctrine in only a VERY small minority of identified Christian denominations, and even among THEM "Young Earth Creationism" is a minority opinion (as that 6,000 year old thing is from the Bishop of Ussher not the bible).  But by far, they get the most attention since they are so loud and vocal with their views  (Flat earthers are also Biblical literalists by the way, saying the Earth MUST be flat because the bible talks about the "Four Corners" of the earth, and a sphere has no corners so obviously.......)
 
2014-04-07 01:43:57 PM
I'm not a Catholic.  But my understanding is that they are among the few that are no so "fundemental" in their belief in the Bible.  They knowingly accept that it is a collection of stories, lessons, and parables.  Not to be taken so literally.
So I'm not surprised by this.


Actually far more Christians are not fundamentalist or literalist than are. Non-literal reading of scripture is the norm in Eastern Orthodoxy, Roman Catholicism, and pretty much all of the mid- and high- church protestant sects. Add that all up and you're looking at roughly 3/4ers of all the world's Christians.
 
2014-04-07 01:44:05 PM

Mentalpatient87: What does that matter? Aren't Baptists the ones driving creationism?

/honestly don't know


And Baptists started out as radical individualists too... their views have envolved.
 
2014-04-07 01:44:33 PM
FTA:

Many consider Miller a paradoxical figure who occupies the thinly populated no-man's land between science and religion, embracing both with enthusiasm and finding no conflict.

the only christians i know personally embrace both their beliefs and science and find no conflicts.  the loud minority are the idiots that think it's one or the other. in real life, there isn't a problem.
 
2014-04-07 01:45:08 PM
I was raised Catholic, and I never heard of Young Earth Creationism from the Church. That crazy shiat comes from the nutcase fundie Christians, not Catholics, who are a bit nutty but in America anyway, usually quite sane.
 
2014-04-07 01:45:33 PM

Slaves2Darkness: Yes well the everyone knows the Catholics are worshiping a false idol, the Pope, and not the one true God JESUS, the prosperity giver, as such they are all going to BURN IN HELL!


Our "Mary worship" makes us guilty of idolatry. The Pope is the antichrist.

In any case, a Jesuit priest told me many years ago when I said how much I loved science, "If you want to know God, you must know His creation, and if you want to know His creation, study science."
 
2014-04-07 01:45:39 PM

Satanic_Hamster: Catholics don't count as Christians to creationists, subby.


If they don't count the single biggest denomination as part of their religion, then perhaps that's why they get that "Christianity is a persecuted minority" mentality.
 
2014-04-07 01:45:50 PM

durbnpoisn: Satanic_Hamster: Catholics don't count as Christians to creationists, subby.

This.

I'm not a Catholic.  But my understanding is that they are among the few that are no so "fundemental" in their belief in the Bible.  They knowingly accept that it is a collection of stories, lessons, and parables.  Not to be taken so literally.
So I'm not surprised by this.


The Bible teaches us how to go to heaven, not how the heavens go.

- Cardinal Caesar Baronius (c. 1600, regarding Galileo Galilei)
 
2014-04-07 01:46:39 PM

pute kisses like a man: FTA:

Many consider Miller a paradoxical figure who occupies the thinly populated no-man's land between science and religion, embracing both with enthusiasm and finding no conflict.

the only christians i know personally embrace both their beliefs and science and find no conflicts.  the loud minority are the idiots that think it's one or the other. in real life, there isn't a problem.


Yes there is. The idiots vote.

/yes, yes, Politics tab over there, I know
 
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