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(The Daily Beast)   Afghans: "You want to blow me up to stop me from voting? Nice try, I'm still going to do it." Americans: "You want to prevent me from watching Keeping Up with the Kardashians to stop me from voting? Holy crap, I better stay home"   (thedailybeast.com ) divider line 52
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2014-04-07 02:46:51 PM  
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What are you saying subby?  I'm a murican by gawd.
 
2014-04-07 02:47:25 PM  
I'd risk it, but then again, the most risk I have is walking across the street to the mailbox to grab my ballot, and walking back to the house, then doing the same trip later back to the mailbox to mail it in.

I suppose someone could get me if they booby trapped one of the drop-off locations though.

//100% vote by mail is awesome.
 
2014-04-07 02:49:53 PM  
Voting is still new and shiny for them.

They'll get bored of it soon enough.
 
2014-04-07 02:51:04 PM  
So voter turnout was about the same as the US. Good for them.

To be honest though Americans are a generally disagreeable bunch. If voting is easy lots of people won't do it. If you tell them they can't vote then more will show up and fight you to do so.
 
2014-04-07 02:51:38 PM  
Do the votes count in Afghanistan? Maybe that's the difference.
 
2014-04-07 02:51:43 PM  
To be fair, Afghanistan doesn't have the Electoral College...
 
2014-04-07 02:51:52 PM  
Since we live in America, we're automatically more virtuous than them.  They're just trying to play catch-up.
 
2014-04-07 02:57:52 PM  
Someone observed that Americans will cross oceans and fight wars to defend others' right to vote; but won't cross the street to exercise their own.
 
2014-04-07 02:59:12 PM  
I think if people HAD to fight to get to the polls people would take it more seriously and many of them would risk their life for it. But its easy, so why make a big deal out of it...
 
2014-04-07 02:59:17 PM  
I bet they didn't have to show ID, either.

// I bet Taliban Todd voted all 7 million times, after walking up to that election monitor (who was no doubt smirking Westernly) and using the butt of his AK to permanently nail a burqa made of corrugated steel to her sinful body
// the crowd of people watched and prayed, then left the election center to blow up a school
 
2014-04-07 03:03:17 PM  
I'd suggest that there's a lot more "Vote for me and you won't starve in the streets after getting murderraped by militants" but then I'd get dogpiled by people saying:

Republicans are the same
Democrats are the same
You mentioned rape and therefore support it (crap, just said it twice)

So I won't.  Wait, crap.
 
2014-04-07 03:07:33 PM  
I no longer care about improving voter turnout.

The people who can't be bothered with registering, or don't care enough to exercise their right to vote are generally ignoramuses who I don't want voting anyway.   I realize that this gives disproportionate sway to zealots, such as single-issue voters or people who always vote straight-ticket for their team.

I don't see why we should bother to encourage the electoral participation of people who are likely to base their votes mostly or wholly upon sound bites they heard on AM radio, mudslinging political ads, or the signs in their neighbors' yards.

Anyone want to try to cure me of my cynicism?
 
2014-04-07 03:11:57 PM  
Dr Dreidel:
I bet they didn't have to show ID, either.

You'd lose that bet. They also make them dye their finger so they can't vote twice.
 
2014-04-07 03:12:18 PM  
While i admire the Afghan people, is the 7 million a credible number? Do they have confirmation in some way that 7 million REALLY turned out to vote? I'm just curious if someone fudged the shiat out of the numbers.
 
2014-04-07 03:18:37 PM  

MindStalker: I think if people HAD to fight to get to the polls people would take it more seriously and many of them would risk their life for it. But its easy, so why make a big deal out of it...


This makes me wonder about the various voter ID measures and how that has affected resolve to vote.
 
2014-04-07 03:22:53 PM  
The phrase you are looking for is called "taking for granted".
 
2014-04-07 03:23:30 PM  
Given that my area has voted predominately one way and the oppostion to that political way has an inane fear of open vistas, clean air and banjo music, I do not think I have much to worry about even if tempers got to that point.
 
2014-04-07 03:29:51 PM  

cirby: Dr Dreidel:
I bet they didn't have to show ID, either.

You'd lose that bet. They also make them dye their finger so they can't vote twice.


I am disappoint.

// I'd have thought "Taliban Todd" was a dead giveaway
 
2014-04-07 03:31:57 PM  
Whoa whoa whoa whooooa! Hold up! "Keeping Up with the Kardashians" is still on the air? What the whaaaat?
 
2014-04-07 03:34:32 PM  

Gyrfalcon: Someone observed that Americans will cross oceans and fight wars to defend others' right to vote; but won't cross the street to exercise their own.


Well, sure, if you were, say, a veteran who had your legs blown off by an IUD, I'm sure it would be a hella lot more difficult to cross the street than usual.

That "someone" you talked to needs sensitivity training.
 
2014-04-07 03:37:22 PM  
So after they vote they get to finger bang Smurfette?
 
2014-04-07 03:41:34 PM  

To The Escape Zeppelin!: So voter turnout was about the same as the US. Good for them.

To be honest though Americans are a generally disagreeable bunch. If voting is easy lots of people won't do it. If you tell them they can't vote then more will show up and fight you to do so.


I'm not disagreeable.
 
2014-04-07 03:41:58 PM  

Gyrfalcon: Someone observed that Americans will cross oceans and fight wars to defend others' right to vote; but won't cross the street to exercise their own.


I'd like to see voting by text message. I had to show a picture ID to sign up for my pay-as-you-go plan so already it meets the coveted voter ID standard. There's no reason I shouldn't be able to list what phone number I want to vote with on my voter registration, maybe get issued a PIN. Then I could simply text in the PIN, get sent a series of messages: "For state representative, would you like 1 Jack Johson or 2 John Jackson", "2", "You chose John Jackson. Are you sure Y/N?"

Some people might have privacy concerns, and for those people, there are other ways to vote, but for those that don't really care, it would be a convenient option.
 
2014-04-07 03:55:51 PM  

Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: Gyrfalcon: Someone observed that Americans will cross oceans and fight wars to defend others' right to vote; but won't cross the street to exercise their own.

I'd like to see voting by text message. I had to show a picture ID to sign up for my pay-as-you-go plan so already it meets the coveted voter ID standard. There's no reason I shouldn't be able to list what phone number I want to vote with on my voter registration, maybe get issued a PIN. Then I could simply text in the PIN, get sent a series of messages: "For state representative, would you like 1 Jack Johson or 2 John Jackson", "2", "You chose John Jackson. Are you sure Y/N?"

Some people might have privacy concerns, and for those people, there are other ways to vote, but for those that don't really care, it would be a convenient option.


But what if your middle initial wasn't on your license, but was on your voter registration?  Doesn't it make you feel better knowing that you'd be prevented from voting, for America
 
2014-04-07 03:57:30 PM  

Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: Gyrfalcon: Someone observed that Americans will cross oceans and fight wars to defend others' right to vote; but won't cross the street to exercise their own.

I'd like to see voting by text message. I had to show a picture ID to sign up for my pay-as-you-go plan so already it meets the coveted voter ID standard. There's no reason I shouldn't be able to list what phone number I want to vote with on my voter registration, maybe get issued a PIN. Then I could simply text in the PIN, get sent a series of messages: "For state representative, would you like 1 Jack Johson or 2 John Jackson", "2", "You chose John Jackson. Are you sure Y/N?"

Some people might have privacy concerns, and for those people, there are other ways to vote, but for those that don't really care, it would be a convenient option.


I think there were 10-15 options on the primary ballot I filled out a few weeks ago. Having to respond to that many text messages is a complete non-starter. Now if you could fill out a ballot online or on your phone, that's a different, hard-to-secure story.
 
2014-04-07 03:57:32 PM  
And their votes were still pointless, as the results of the election were predetermined by the CIA
 
2014-04-07 04:01:33 PM  

redmid17: Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: Gyrfalcon: Someone observed that Americans will cross oceans and fight wars to defend others' right to vote; but won't cross the street to exercise their own.

I'd like to see voting by text message. I had to show a picture ID to sign up for my pay-as-you-go plan so already it meets the coveted voter ID standard. There's no reason I shouldn't be able to list what phone number I want to vote with on my voter registration, maybe get issued a PIN. Then I could simply text in the PIN, get sent a series of messages: "For state representative, would you like 1 Jack Johson or 2 John Jackson", "2", "You chose John Jackson. Are you sure Y/N?"

Some people might have privacy concerns, and for those people, there are other ways to vote, but for those that don't really care, it would be a convenient option.

I think there were 10-15 options on the primary ballot I filled out a few weeks ago. Having to respond to that many text messages is a complete non-starter. Now if you could fill out a ballot online or on your phone, that's a different, hard-to-secure story.


It wouldn't be any harder to secure than any other web-based interface. The primary security flaw - accessing protected resources over an unprotected network - is entirely out of app developers' hands anyway.
 
2014-04-07 04:02:48 PM  
Is the ink-y finger the new "I voted!" sticker?
 
2014-04-07 04:16:36 PM  
It is VITALLY important that EVERY American go out on election day and choose his or her favorite bought-and-paid-for corporate whore. That way we can pretend to live in a democracy and have the illusion that we pick our leaders instead of having them chosen for us by a small group of very wealthy and powerful individuals.
 
2014-04-07 04:19:48 PM  
Good for them. Cynicism and apathy are sure to follow when they figure out it's stilled rigged for the wealthy.
 
2014-04-07 04:23:26 PM  
To be fair they, unlike America, are smart enough to have their election on the weekend.
 
2014-04-07 04:25:22 PM  

mod3072: It is VITALLY important that EVERY American go out on election day and choose his or her favorite bought-and-paid-for corporate whore. That way we can pretend to live in a democracy and have the illusion that we pick our leaders instead of having them chosen for us by a small group of very wealthy and powerful individuals.


Aw yes, a new variant of "both parties are bad so vote Republican".
 
2014-04-07 04:25:26 PM  
Just wanted to point this out to certain farkers who repeatedly state that muslims don't want democracy:

FTFA:  First, despite what many on the right will tell you, there are people in the Muslim world who embrace democracy. While Muslims are in no way monolithic, clearly the 7 million Afghans who risked their lives to vote are a shining example of people who very much want democracy.

IOW:

There are people in the Muslim world who embrace democracy.
There are people in the Muslim world who embrace democracy.
There are people in the Muslim world who embrace democracy.

Also FTFA:   Yet in our 2010 midterm elections, in which we elected all 435 members of the House, 37 U.S. senators, and local officials around the country, voter turnout was just 41 percent. Worse still, Texas had an anemic 32 percent turnout and Tennessee was close behind at 34 percent.
That's right-in 2010 so few people voted that we were in danger of not even being a democracy.


Just wanted to point that out.
 
2014-04-07 04:27:02 PM  
Proud to be a 'merkin...

www.helpyourselfgetlucky.com

For the record I vote in every election. But then I'm  a freak.
 
2014-04-07 04:50:07 PM  

Uncle Tractor: Just wanted to point this out to certain farkers who repeatedly state that muslims don't want democracy:

FTFA:  First, despite what many on the right will tell you, there are people in the Muslim world who embrace democracy. While Muslims are in no way monolithic, clearly the 7 million Afghans who risked their lives to vote are a shining example of people who very much want democracy.

IOW:

There are people in the Muslim world who embrace democracy.
There are people in the Muslim world who embrace democracy.
There are people in the Muslim world who embrace democracy.

Also FTFA:   Yet in our 2010 midterm elections, in which we elected all 435 members of the House, 37 U.S. senators, and local officials around the country, voter turnout was just 41 percent. Worse still, Texas had an anemic 32 percent turnout and Tennessee was close behind at 34 percent.
That's right-in 2010 so few people voted that we were in danger of not even being a democracy.

Just wanted to point that out.


Yeah but our elections are fair and totally not biased and theirs are rigged and pretdetermined by either the CIA or the Taliban and any way we all know our votes don't count so why bother and voter fraud and bullshiat and whargarble.
 
2014-04-07 05:04:10 PM  

meat0918: I'd risk it, but then again, the most risk I have is walking across the street to the mailbox to grab my ballot, and walking back to the house, then doing the same trip later back to the mailbox to mail it in.

I suppose someone could get me if they booby trapped one of the drop-off locations though.

//100% vote by mail is awesome.


F*ck yeah. Oregon high-five!
 
2014-04-07 05:15:17 PM  
i voted saturday in a special election to replace a guy who went to jail. 4 candidates on the ballot. nothing else.

yeah the turnout was underwhelming. not due to the candidates who had mailers, tv ads, robo calls, GOTV efforts. they really wanted to be coroner.
 
2014-04-07 05:21:30 PM  

Curious: i voted saturday in a special election to replace a guy who went to jail. 4 candidates on the ballot. nothing else.

yeah the turnout was underwhelming. not due to the candidates who had mailers, tv ads, robo calls, GOTV efforts. they really wanted to be coroner.


What did the former coroner go to jail for?
 
2014-04-07 05:25:32 PM  

meat0918: I'd risk it, but then again, the most risk I have is walking across the street to the mailbox to grab my ballot, and walking back to the house, then doing the same trip later back to the mailbox to mail it in.

I suppose someone could get me if they booby trapped one of the drop-off locations though.

//100% vote by mail is awesome.


Bwhahahaha! You think we count your mail in vote.
 
2014-04-07 05:31:54 PM  
It's possible that we will see an even lower turnout in this November's midterm elections. And don't be surprised if the numbers keep trending downward in the years to come.

His point about voter turnout here in the US is valid, but the turnout in the last three presidential election years were higher than in any presidential election since 1968.

Mid-term turnout certainly is shameful, though.
 
2014-04-07 05:37:07 PM  

cirby: Dr Dreidel:
I bet they didn't have to show ID, either.

You'd lose that bet. They also make them dye their finger so they can't vote twice.


If they dye their finger, why do they need to show ID?
 
2014-04-07 05:42:45 PM  
Well, to a lot of Afghans, voting is a new thing.  They're still under the silly impression that the people they vote for might actually do something decent for the country.  Give them time, they'll figure it out it's just different sets of self-serving idiots.
 
2014-04-07 05:44:11 PM  

qorkfiend: Curious: i voted saturday in a special election to replace a guy who went to jail. 4 candidates on the ballot. nothing else.

yeah the turnout was underwhelming. not due to the candidates who had mailers, tv ads, robo calls, GOTV efforts. they really wanted to be coroner.

What did the former coroner go to jail for?


corruption. he got the budget greatly expanded which it needed then he got greedy and started to pocket some.

http://www.nola.com/crime/index.ssf/2013/10/st_tammany_coroner_peter _g alva.html
 
2014-04-07 05:55:00 PM  

Marshmallow Jones: Well, to a lot of Afghans, voting is a new thing.  They're still under the silly impression that the people they vote for might actually do something decent for the country.  Give them time, they'll figure it out it's just different sets of self-serving idiots.


You realize this attitude only elects more Republicans to office?
 
2014-04-08 12:00:39 AM  

Dr Dreidel: cirby: Dr Dreidel:
I bet they didn't have to show ID, either.

You'd lose that bet. They also make them dye their finger so they can't vote twice.

I am disappoint.

// I'd have thought "Taliban Todd" was a dead giveaway


They have voter ID cards. I think they also have voter fraud most western nations don't even dream of. We have stolen yard signs, they have car bombs. We have a dead granny voting, they threaten to kill granny if you vote. We round up homeless people and drive them to a polling station, they bar entry to the polling station with armed men.

Afghanistan, the Florida of central Asia
 
2014-04-08 12:11:04 AM  

To The Escape Zeppelin!: So voter turnout was about the same as the US. Good for them.

To be honest though Americans humans are a generally disagreeable bunch. If voting is easy lots of people won't do it. If you tell them they can't vote then more will show up and fight you to do so.


FTFY
 
2014-04-08 01:41:18 AM  

minnesotaboy: Proud to be a 'merkin...


What a merkin might look like (possibly NSFW):

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2014-04-08 02:48:35 AM  

Parthenogenetic: I no longer care about improving voter turnout.

The people who can't be bothered with registering, or don't care enough to exercise their right to vote are generally ignoramuses who I don't want voting anyway.   I realize that this gives disproportionate sway to zealots, such as single-issue voters or people who always vote straight-ticket for their team.

I don't see why we should bother to encourage the electoral participation of people who are likely to base their votes mostly or wholly upon sound bites they heard on AM radio, mudslinging political ads, or the signs in their neighbors' yards.

Anyone want to try to cure me of my cynicism?


Because the people who care about AM radio, signs and mudslinging are the ones who vote now without your encouragement?
 
2014-04-08 03:18:38 AM  

Geotpf: mod3072: It is VITALLY important that EVERY American go out on election day and choose his or her favorite bought-and-paid-for corporate whore. That way we can pretend to live in a democracy and have the illusion that we pick our leaders instead of having them chosen for us by a small group of very wealthy and powerful individuals.

Aw yes, a new variant of "both parties are bad so vote Republican".


I usually don't post in politics threads, but this "both sides are bad so vote republican" meme has been going strong for years.

I just wanted to observe that my general impression of people who express a "both sides" disenfranchised attitude are more likely to vote democrat. When I've heard that opinion in the past it's more often then not someone who is angry with the corporate pandering of their elected officials, and someone with an anti-corporate opinion, I would think, would be more likely to hail from the left side of the American political spectrum.

For the sake of argument, a right-wing "both sides" disenfranchisement seems to be born of a general distrust of all things government.

I'll add that I hail from and reside of north of the border, and thus the opinions I hear are those of people who post on fark, and not my fellow Americans around the water cooler... With that selection bias in mind, the vast majority of earnest "both sides" Lamentations appear to come from people who would vote democrat, or left wing independent...
 
2014-04-08 09:00:50 AM  

Baron Krelve: Geotpf: mod3072: It is VITALLY important that EVERY American go out on election day and choose his or her favorite bought-and-paid-for corporate whore. That way we can pretend to live in a democracy and have the illusion that we pick our leaders instead of having them chosen for us by a small group of very wealthy and powerful individuals.

Aw yes, a new variant of "both parties are bad so vote Republican".

I usually don't post in politics threads, but this "both sides are bad so vote republican" meme has been going strong for years.

I just wanted to observe that my general impression of people who express a "both sides" disenfranchised attitude are more likely to vote democrat. When I've heard that opinion in the past it's more often then not someone who is angry with the corporate pandering of their elected officials, and someone with an anti-corporate opinion, I would think, would be more likely to hail from the left side of the American political spectrum.

For the sake of argument, a right-wing "both sides" disenfranchisement seems to be born of a general distrust of all things government.

I'll add that I hail from and reside of north of the border, and thus the opinions I hear are those of people who post on fark, and not my fellow Americans around the water cooler... With that selection bias in mind, the vast majority of earnest "both sides" Lamentations appear to come from people who would vote democrat, or left wing independent...


What you say may be true, but here on Fark it is considered sacrilege to openly admit that a Democrat (or, heaven forbid, the Democratic party) may have a flaw. If you do, you get the "both sides are bad, so vote Republican!" meme. But don't you dare call it an echo chamber!! Both viewpoints are welcome here - left AND far left.
 
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