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(NBC Chicago)   Family that had to be rescued at sea is proud of their decision to risk the lives of their children and all those involved in rescuing them   (nbcchicago.com) divider line 119
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2014-04-07 11:07:27 AM  
Because the family will have to abandon most of their possessions, English is working with friends in San Diego

I'm sure with enough of us getting together we could donate them enough common sense so they would think twice before making another trip like this.

Since the ship was scuttled, will their insurance pay for anything or is that money down the drain?
 
2014-04-07 11:13:40 AM  
There sure is a lot of sailor hate here on Fark.

Haven't you people ever seen the ocean?
 
2014-04-07 11:17:37 AM  
Oh come on, Subby. Pararescuemen LIVE for this shiat. And the sailors got to blow up a boat without being shot at. And the family got to have an adventure. And the little girl is stabilized. Everyone's walking away from this one, the only that was lost was stuff, and people got to do cool things.

Sure, they're insane to have done it. But if everyone was smart, we wouldn't even have a navy to train pararescuemen because no one would get into any wars.
 
2014-04-07 12:51:52 PM  
Scuttling the ship would be fun!
 
2014-04-07 01:20:43 PM  
I'm curious why they had to scuttle their boat and couldn't just tow it or repair it. Don't honestly care either way- it seems like a solid reminder to them NOT to do this type of thing again until their kids are at least old enough to look out for themselves- but am just genuinely curious as to the reasons why.
 
2014-04-07 01:26:49 PM  
They're from San Diego and they own a sailboat.

The onus is really on them to prove they aren't assholes, because those two facts are serious red flags.
 
2014-04-07 01:29:55 PM  
The kicker in all of it is that the baby had salmonella not long before they left. Were they feeding the baby sushi or what? They should have these kids taken away from them.
 
2014-04-07 01:43:33 PM  

Ashyukun: I'm curious why they had to scuttle their boat and couldn't just tow it or repair it. Don't honestly care either way- it seems like a solid reminder to them NOT to do this type of thing again until their kids are at least old enough to look out for themselves- but am just genuinely curious as to the reasons why.


The rescue ship probably doesn't have the equipment or desire to tow a sailboat the 1000 miles back to port and getting a tow boat out there and back is probably not cost effective.
 
2014-04-07 01:59:14 PM  
Does anyone know what these people do for a living?  It probably gets to be expensive doing nothing but sailing around for seven years.
 
2014-04-07 02:12:41 PM  
Send them the bill, see if they are still proud then.
 
2014-04-07 02:19:59 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: There sure is a lot of sailor hate here on Fark.

Haven't you people ever seen the ocean?


Once.  And the sea was angry that day...
 
2014-04-07 02:21:44 PM  
Nothing like making 19-year-old sailors and guardsmen risk their lives to validate your entertainment choices.
 
2014-04-07 02:52:51 PM  

sigdiamond2000: They're from San Diego and they own a sailboat.

The onus is really on them to prove they aren't assholes, because those two facts are serious red flags.


I feel sort of bad now because I just spent some time perusing their blog, and it's a veritable laundry list of social pathology, from recovered sexual abuse to post-partum depression to CrossFit. Also, the guy's favorite book is "Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance," which is itself is a pretty serious cry for help.

These two people are not well.
 
2014-04-07 02:57:22 PM  

UberDave: Marcus Aurelius: There sure is a lot of sailor hate here on Fark.

Haven't you people ever seen the ocean?

Once.  And the sea was angry that day...


like an old man trying to send back soup in a deli?
 
2014-04-07 02:57:32 PM  
Maybe they were looking for Helen Keller's airplane?
 
2014-04-07 02:58:28 PM  
I admit to wanting to see footage of the Coast Guard rescuing the baby 007 Thunderball style.
 
2014-04-07 02:59:49 PM  
Jesus Christ, reading that blog makes me want to go home and hug my wife.
 
2014-04-07 03:00:59 PM  
I'm concerned they felt the need to stay 5 miles from the boat and then destroyed it.

What kind of crazy, infectious, patient zero crap does that little monster have?
 
2014-04-07 03:02:10 PM  
If things got tough they could have used the baby as bait.
 
2014-04-07 03:02:14 PM  
That's fine.  They should be proud to pay the bill too.
 
2014-04-07 03:02:21 PM  

sigdiamond2000: sigdiamond2000: They're from San Diego and they own a sailboat.

The onus is really on them to prove they aren't assholes, because those two facts are serious red flags.

I feel sort of bad now because I just spent some time perusing their blog, and it's a veritable laundry list of social pathology, from recovered sexual abuse to post-partum depression to CrossFit. Also, the guy's favorite book is "Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance," which is itself is a pretty serious cry for help.

These two people are not well.


*reads some of their blog*

Good god these people are self absorbed douches,,,,should've left them out there.
I'm sure they are working with a publicist and agent for the book/movie.
 
2014-04-07 03:02:57 PM  

BizarreMan: Because the family will have to abandon most of their possessions, English is working with friends in San Diego

I'm sure with enough of us getting together we could donate them enough common sense so they would think twice before making another trip like this.

Since the ship was scuttled, will their insurance pay for anything or is that money down the drain?


"IF" they had insurance it may cover it much like an auto accident.
 
2014-04-07 03:03:10 PM  
BizarreMan:  I'm sure with enough of us getting together we could donate them enough common sense

New here?
 
2014-04-07 03:04:10 PM  
They should have rescued the children and scuttled the parents with the boat.
 
2014-04-07 03:04:32 PM  
Yeah, pretty questionable to go off on a voyage like that with an infant. Seems like a bad idea to me.
 
2014-04-07 03:04:45 PM  

sigdiamond2000: sigdiamond2000: They're from San Diego and they own a sailboat.

The onus is really on them to prove they aren't assholes, because those two facts are serious red flags.

I feel sort of bad now because I just spent some time perusing their blog, and it's a veritable laundry list of social pathology, from recovered sexual abuse to post-partum depression to CrossFit. Also, the guy's favorite book is "Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance," which is itself is a pretty serious cry for help.

These two people are not well.


The best part was when the mom baked a cake and didn't share it with her daughter, even lying to her about baking the cake, because fark you that's why.
 
2014-04-07 03:04:53 PM  

BizarreMan: Ashyukun: I'm curious why they had to scuttle their boat and couldn't just tow it or repair it. Don't honestly care either way- it seems like a solid reminder to them NOT to do this type of thing again until their kids are at least old enough to look out for themselves- but am just genuinely curious as to the reasons why.

The rescue ship probably doesn't have the equipment or desire to tow a sailboat the 1000 miles back to port and getting a tow boat out there and back is probably not cost effective.


That and the boat had lost steering so it would probably have been an issue with keeping it going on the correct heading.
 
2014-04-07 03:05:22 PM  

sigdiamond2000: sigdiamond2000: They're from San Diego and they own a sailboat.

The onus is really on them to prove they aren't assholes, because those two facts are serious red flags.

I feel sort of bad now because I just spent some time perusing their blog, and it's a veritable laundry list of social pathology, from recovered sexual abuse to post-partum depression to CrossFit. Also, the guy's favorite book is "Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance," which is itself is a pretty serious cry for help.

These two people are not well.


Crossfit?!  Burn them!
 
2014-04-07 03:05:36 PM  

Netrngr: BizarreMan: Because the family will have to abandon most of their possessions, English is working with friends in San Diego

I'm sure with enough of us getting together we could donate them enough common sense so they would think twice before making another trip like this.

Since the ship was scuttled, will their insurance pay for anything or is that money down the drain?

"IF" they had insurance it may cover it much like an auto accident.


Willing to bet that most policies don't cover "deliberately sunk by US navy warship."
 
2014-04-07 03:06:02 PM  

Crass and Jaded Mother Farker: I'm concerned they felt the need to stay 5 miles from the boat and then destroyed it.

What kind of crazy, infectious, patient zero crap does that little monster have?


You know how I know you live nowhere near water ?
 
2014-04-07 03:07:35 PM  
Well at least the Navy is sinking their boat along with most of their possessions. Kind of annoying that they are leaning on charities to replace them.
 
2014-04-07 03:09:17 PM  
I know another Dad from my daughters cheerleading team . He is a retired Coast Guard rescue swimmer.  He said they had an unofficial motto, if people wern't stupid, they would be out of a job.
 
2014-04-07 03:09:23 PM  

Crass and Jaded Mother Farker: I'm concerned they felt the need to stay 5 miles from the boat and then destroyed it.

What kind of crazy, infectious, patient zero crap does that little monster have?


Zombie plague.... BRAINS!
 
2014-04-07 03:12:05 PM  

Cymbal: The best part was when the mom baked a cake and didn't share it with her daughter, even lying to her about baking the cake, because fark you that's why.


Yeah, saw that in the previous articles.  WTF, why would someone even do that?  I can understand keeping the majority of it for yourself (adults are bigger then kids, duh) but to do that on a small vessel and not even give your kids a bite?

Crass and Jaded Mother Farker: I'm concerned they felt the need to stay 5 miles from the boat and then destroyed it.

What kind of crazy, infectious, patient zero crap does that little monster have?


More likely:
They wanted to get some decent practice with the deck gun.
 
2014-04-07 03:12:11 PM  

AeAe: sigdiamond2000: sigdiamond2000: They're from San Diego and they own a sailboat.

The onus is really on them to prove they aren't assholes, because those two facts are serious red flags.

I feel sort of bad now because I just spent some time perusing their blog, and it's a veritable laundry list of social pathology, from recovered sexual abuse to post-partum depression to CrossFit. Also, the guy's favorite book is "Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance," which is itself is a pretty serious cry for help.

These two people are not well.

Crossfit?!  Burn them!


No need to burn them, but they definitely need to be put in a locked recovery facility, stripped of their minimalist footwear, and given a strict regimen of baked goods and the Ludovico technique.
 
2014-04-07 03:12:14 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: Netrngr: BizarreMan: Because the family will have to abandon most of their possessions, English is working with friends in San Diego

I'm sure with enough of us getting together we could donate them enough common sense so they would think twice before making another trip like this.

Since the ship was scuttled, will their insurance pay for anything or is that money down the drain?

"IF" they had insurance it may cover it much like an auto accident.

Willing to bet that most policies don't cover "deliberately sunk by US navy warship."


Id have to look at the policy on our fishing boat but I think, and I may be mistaken, that boat policies cover sinking of any kind shy of the owner trying to commit fraud
 
2014-04-07 03:13:23 PM  

sigdiamond2000: Also, the guy's favorite book is "Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance," which is itself is a pretty serious cry for help.


Care to elaborate?

/serious question, haven't read the book
 
2014-04-07 03:13:52 PM  

Netrngr: Id have to look at the policy on our fishing boat but I think, and I may be mistaken, that boat policies cover sinking of any kind shy of the owner trying to commit fraud


Accidental sinking.  Deliberately sinking is another matter.

Check to see if you're covered if the vessel is sunk by deck gun from an Oliver Perry-class frigate.
 
2014-04-07 03:14:29 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: There sure is a lot of sailor hate here on Fark.

Haven't you people ever seen the ocean?


yes and been on it too, wouldn't bring my baby on a trip like that idiot did
 
2014-04-07 03:14:51 PM  
"..the health of our daughter Lyra."

I'm sold, should have put the parents back on the boat and then scuttled it.
 
2014-04-07 03:19:16 PM  
Lord, that blog.
 
2014-04-07 03:19:42 PM  
I dunno.

OT1H, I'm usually with the Farkers who say there's no call for imperiling your child on unnecessary Life Adventures.  OTOH, Fark's hate for coddled "special snowflakes" occurs to me, and on that subject I tend to be more divided.  Sort of a situational thing.

Sure, I know this is a one-year-old and, as such, hardly qualifies for special snowflake consideration.  But give me a second.  There have always been people who lived on the fringe and even raised families there.  With a bit of luck in avoiding situations like these, they stand a 50/50 chance on Fark of either being ridiculed as probable issues-laden hermits, or admired as rugged and can-do examples that human strength and ingenuity isn't dead yet.

So these folks may be a lot like families living in the Alaskan bush, or the Australian back country, or Patagonia, or any of a thousand other locations around the world where people choose to settle down and make a life that is less wrapped in Pampers and Cottonelle.  Which I can respect.  And even people living in the heart of Established Civilization often need extreme rescues-- we just call them "gub'mint programs" and fight about them in the Politics tab.

Or it may be that if I went and read their blog I'd decide these were a couple of friggin' loons who unnecessarily endangered their children and need to be medicated heavily.  But frankly, I don't care enough to get that invested.
 
2014-04-07 03:21:29 PM  
Not that I would know anything about sailing.... but I have seen a lot of those 36 to 46 foot sailboats out at sea hundreds of miles from any land.    Adults on board are waving and happy as a clam (no they weren't frantically signalling for help).  I'm sure skilled people have few problems.


I'm sure the nautical types can tell tales of sailing a 11footer around the horn of Canadia .... but they should do it with adults.   Leave the kids out.

That didn't appear to be 'skilled people.'

That aside ...around here I think you get tasered and arrested and serve actual time if you let your kid ride a bicycle without a proper helmet.     I know a guy who is doing 2-5 in county for taking the wrong snack to a soccer game.
 
2014-04-07 03:23:15 PM  

Walker: Send them the bill, see if they are still proud then.


Waaah! But my baby was sick! I shouldn't have to pay to have her rescued! Waaah!
 
2014-04-07 03:23:21 PM  

Ashyukun: I'm curious why they had to scuttle their boat and couldn't just tow it or repair it.


Probably because the Navy has better things to do than waste more time on these idiots so they're just shipping them back to land on a Helicopter.
And no one is going to spend their time and own money going a thousand miles out to sea to try and find it and repair or tow it.

I bet they could get someone to do it if they could pay for it. I assume that would be really expensive though.
 
2014-04-07 03:23:38 PM  

brimed03: Or it may be that if I went and read their blog I'd decide these were a couple of friggin' loons who unnecessarily endangered their children and need to be medicated heavily.


Winner winner chicken dinner.
 
2014-04-07 03:23:53 PM  

Gordian Cipher: sigdiamond2000: Also, the guy's favorite book is "Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance," which is itself is a pretty serious cry for help.

Care to elaborate?

/serious question, haven't read the book


It's the worst kind of nu-age pablum self-help crap - written to be easily digested by self-loathing white people. Basically the McDonald's of insightful writing. Pretty much unreadable if you are a self-aware being of almost any level.
 
2014-04-07 03:25:06 PM  
Damn shame what they did to that boat. They should have rescued the boat and the kids and left the parents out there. The brother of one of the parents was interviewed yesterday and said pretty much everyone in the family told them not to do this with the kids.
 
2014-04-07 03:29:31 PM  

Optimus Primate: Gordian Cipher: sigdiamond2000: Also, the guy's favorite book is "Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance," which is itself is a pretty serious cry for help.

Care to elaborate?

/serious question, haven't read the book

It's the worst kind of nu-age pablum self-help crap - written to be easily digested by self-loathing white people. Basically the McDonald's of insightful writing. Pretty much unreadable if you are a self-aware being of almost any level.


The difficulty is that "Z&tAoMM" is the archetype of this type of writing. I read it when I was 24, just because it was one of those books you always hear about. It might have been ground-breaking in 1974, but nowadays it's nothing more than the originator of an entire catalog of navel-gazing literature.
 
2014-04-07 03:30:35 PM  
Between the blog and this Facebook Page (  https://www.facebook.com/svrebelheart  ) just wow.

They are getting a lot of awesome hate on the FB page, good reading. The couple was VERY ill prepared for this journey and are just incredibly self-absorbed idiots.
 
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