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(Talking Points Memo)   William Kristol isn't often right. But he may have been right when he predicted in 1993 that healthcare reform could doom the GOP   (talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line 90
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2014-04-07 10:58:23 AM
kristol is an asshole. he's the poster boy for the modern kleptocratic GOP.
 
2014-04-07 11:15:32 AM

FlashHarry: kristol is an asshole. he's the poster boy for the modern kleptocratic GOP.


Came here to point out that while he is seldom right, he is always an asshole.

Leaving satisfied.
 
2014-04-07 11:22:29 AM
It's a fascinating insight into the mind of the GOP.

It literally never crosses his mind that the entire threat he outlines could be removed by actively participating in the development of a better healthcare program for the good of the country and sharing the credit.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2014-04-07 12:03:37 PM
It's an interesting admission that he himself believes that the GOP position on government is nonsense.
 
2014-04-07 12:06:30 PM
Broken clock and all that.

As long as it means doom for the GOP, I'm down.
 
2014-04-07 01:22:26 PM

Tigger: It's a fascinating insight into the mind of the GOP.

It literally never crosses his mind that the entire threat he outlines could be removed by actively participating in the development of a better healthcare program for the good of the country and sharing the credit.


Typical libtard.  You probably think every kid who plays a sport deserves a participation trophy.

There are winners and losers.  It's better for one party to win than it is for everyone to be included.  It's natural selection, which I thought you pussies worshipped.  It culls the weak.
 
2014-04-07 01:26:29 PM

Diogenes: Tigger: It's a fascinating insight into the mind of the GOP.

It literally never crosses his mind that the entire threat he outlines could be removed by actively participating in the development of a better healthcare program for the good of the country and sharing the credit.

Typical libtard.  You probably think every kid who plays a sport deserves a participation trophy.

There are winners and losers.  It's better for one party to win than it is for everyone to be included.  It's natural selection, which I thought you pussies worshipped.  It culls the weak.


We do not train to be merciful here.  Mercy is for the weak.  Here, in the Congress, in committee.  A man confronts you, he is the enemy.  An enemy deserves no mercy.
 
2014-04-07 01:40:31 PM

Diogenes: Tigger: It's a fascinating insight into the mind of the GOP.

It literally never crosses his mind that the entire threat he outlines could be removed by actively participating in the development of a better healthcare program for the good of the country and sharing the credit.

Typical libtard.  You probably think every kid who plays a sport deserves a participation trophy.

There are winners and losers.  It's better for one party to win than it is for everyone to be included.  It's natural selection, which I thought you pussies worshipped.  It culls the weak.


A trophy? No, but they at least need to participate
 
2014-04-07 01:42:55 PM

Rapmaster2000: Diogenes: Tigger: It's a fascinating insight into the mind of the GOP.

It literally never crosses his mind that the entire threat he outlines could be removed by actively participating in the development of a better healthcare program for the good of the country and sharing the credit.

Typical libtard.  You probably think every kid who plays a sport deserves a participation trophy.

There are winners and losers.  It's better for one party to win than it is for everyone to be included.  It's natural selection, which I thought you pussies worshipped.  It culls the weak.

We do not train to be merciful here.  Mercy is for the weak.  Here, in the Congress, in committee.  A man confronts you, he is the enemy.  An enemy deserves no mercy.


I read that in Frank's voice.

i.imgur.com
 
2014-04-07 01:43:35 PM

Rapmaster2000: Diogenes: Tigger: It's a fascinating insight into the mind of the GOP.

It literally never crosses his mind that the entire threat he outlines could be removed by actively participating in the development of a better healthcare program for the good of the country and sharing the credit.

Typical libtard.  You probably think every kid who plays a sport deserves a participation trophy.

There are winners and losers.  It's better for one party to win than it is for everyone to be included.  It's natural selection, which I thought you pussies worshipped.  It culls the weak.

We do not train to be merciful here.  Mercy is for the weak.  Here, in the Congress, in committee.  A man confronts you, he is the enemy.  An enemy deserves no mercy.


mygeekblasphemy.files.wordpress.com
I assume this is your profile pic.
 
2014-04-07 01:46:04 PM

Hickory-smoked: Rapmaster2000: Diogenes: Tigger: It's a fascinating insight into the mind of the GOP.

It literally never crosses his mind that the entire threat he outlines could be removed by actively participating in the development of a better healthcare program for the good of the country and sharing the credit.

Typical libtard.  You probably think every kid who plays a sport deserves a participation trophy.

There are winners and losers.  It's better for one party to win than it is for everyone to be included.  It's natural selection, which I thought you pussies worshipped.  It culls the weak.

We do not train to be merciful here.  Mercy is for the weak.  Here, in the Congress, in committee.  A man confronts you, he is the enemy.  An enemy deserves no mercy.

I read that in Frank's voice.

[i.imgur.com image 400x300]


Glad I'm not the only one
 
2014-04-07 01:47:10 PM

Tigger: It's a fascinating insight into the mind of the GOP.

It literally never crosses his mind that the entire threat he outlines could be removed by actively participating in the development of a better healthcare program for the good of the country and sharing the credit.


Complete non-starter for them, their "principles" demand that the government is always wrong. Solutions can only come via deregulation for them.
 
2014-04-07 01:47:28 PM
I'm loving the spin now. Like this article from Ramesh Ponnuru: read the first four paragraphs, where he says that the healthcare law by any account should be seen as woefully falling short of its goals since it hasn't created a huge change in the uninsured and more people have signed onto the Medicaid expansion than the healthcare exchanges which is embarrassing to the administration, but they've been able to spin this as a win somehow. Now look at the CBO estimate he cites of how poorly the law is doing. In 2014 they estimated that about 9 million people would sign up for Medicaid, 7 million would sign up for the exchanges, and 2 million would lose coverage due to their policies being canceled. That's pretty damn close to what we've seen.
 
2014-04-07 01:48:37 PM

Tigger: It's a fascinating insight into the mind of the GOP.

It literally never crosses his mind that the entire threat he outlines could be removed by actively participating in the development of a better healthcare program for the good of the country and sharing the credit.


This.  I've been waiting for years now for someone to point out the obvious.  You want to get back into power?  Do something positive for people for a change.  You will be amazed at the results.  As long as you remain the anti-everything party, your fortunes will rise and fall based solely on Fox News' ability to scare the fark out of the constituency.
 
2014-04-07 01:54:03 PM

HotWingConspiracy: Tigger: It's a fascinating insight into the mind of the GOP.

It literally never crosses his mind that the entire threat he outlines could be removed by actively participating in the development of a better healthcare program for the good of the country and sharing the credit.

Complete non-starter for them, their "principles" demand that the government is always wrong unless it is dropping bombs on brown people or claiming to own all uteri within its borders. Solutions can only come via deregulation for them.


ftfy
 
2014-04-07 01:54:34 PM

Grungehamster: I'm loving the spin now. Like this article from Ramesh Ponnuru: read the first four paragraphs, where he says that the healthcare law by any account should be seen as woefully falling short of its goals since it hasn't created a huge change in the uninsured and more people have signed onto the Medicaid expansion than the healthcare exchanges which is embarrassing to the administration, but they've been able to spin this as a win somehow. Now look at the CBO estimate he cites of how poorly the law is doing. In 2014 they estimated that about 9 million people would sign up for Medicaid, 7 million would sign up for the exchanges, and 2 million would lose coverage due to their policies being canceled. That's pretty damn close to what we've seen.


Actuarial accounting is what the Government does best.  So not surprised, although impressed that their estimates were so good.
 
2014-04-07 01:54:58 PM

Diogenes: Tigger: It's a fascinating insight into the mind of the GOP.

It literally never crosses his mind that the entire threat he outlines could be removed by actively participating in the development of a better healthcare program for the good of the country and sharing the credit.

Typical libtard.  You probably think every kid who plays a sport deserves a participation trophy.

There are winners and losers.  It's better for one party to win than it is for everyone to be included.  It's natural selection, which I thought you pussies worshipped.  It culls the weak.


So...   Bamacare succeeds and GOP loses.....


does this mean we're culling the GOP???
 
2014-04-07 01:55:17 PM

Tigger: It's a fascinating insight into the mind of the GOP.

It literally never crosses his mind that the entire threat he outlines could be removed by actively participating in the development of a better healthcare program for the good of the country and sharing the credit.


I think you misunderstand their motives.

The GOP works for entrenched billionaires who want a desperate work force. Social programs not only cost them money in the form of taxes, they also create a cushion for working Americans who, emboldened by their newly-enhanced economic security, might start complaining about dangerous working conditions or shiatty pay, compounding the hurt to their bottom line.

So if Obamacare is an unassailable part of the American way of life fifty years from now, Republicans will gladly pretend to defend it against the illegal Martian immigrants who want to steal it, but until then, they will fight it tooth and nail, just like they do every piece of legislation that helps working people.
 
2014-04-07 01:55:33 PM

Grungehamster: and more people have signed onto the Medicaid expansion than the healthcare exchanges which is embarrassing to the administration.


Unlike Ramesh, I don't see that as embarrassing at all. Moving uninsured people into Medicaid may or may not be as good as moving them into the exchange, but it's still a lot better than leaving them uninsured.
 
2014-04-07 01:55:37 PM

DarwiOdrade: Broken clock and all that.

As long as it means doom for the GOP, I'm down.


This.
 
2014-04-07 01:55:45 PM

Diogenes: Tigger: It's a fascinating insight into the mind of the GOP.

It literally never crosses his mind that the entire threat he outlines could be removed by actively participating in the development of a better healthcare program for the good of the country and sharing the credit.

Typical libtard.  You probably think every kid who plays a sport deserves a participation trophy.

There are winners and losers.  It's better for one party to win than it is for everyone to be included.  It's natural selection, which I thought you pussies worshipped.  It culls the weak.


There are no croutons in your word salad. There aren't even any word croutons.
 
2014-04-07 01:55:46 PM

Diogenes: Tigger: It's a fascinating insight into the mind of the GOP.

It literally never crosses his mind that the entire threat he outlines could be removed by actively participating in the development of a better healthcare program for the good of the country and sharing the credit.

Typical libtard.  You probably think every kid who plays a sport deserves a participation trophy.

There are winners and losers.  It's better for one party to win than it is for everyone to be included.  It's natural selection, which I thought you pussies worshipped.  It culls the weak.


Not Sure If Serious. Presumably you won't object when the Democrats win and as a consequence the Republicans are annihilated. That is, after all, natural selection.
 
2014-04-07 01:55:49 PM
"I remember back in the late '90s when Ira Katznelson, an eminent political scientist at Columbia, came to deliver a guest lecture to an economic philosophy class I was taking. It was a great lecture, made more so by the fact that the class was only about ten or twelve students and we got got ask all kinds of questions and got a lot of great, provocative answers.

"Anyhow, Prof. Katznelson described a lunch he had with Irving Kristol back during the first Bush administration. The talk turned to William Kristol, then Dan Quayle's chief of staff, and how he got his start in politics. Irving recalled how he talked to his friend Harvey Mansfield at Harvard, who secured William a place there as both an undergrad and graduate student; how he talked to Pat Moynihan, then Nixon's domestic policy adviser, and got William an internship at The White House; how he talked to friends at the RNC and secured a job for William after he got his Harvard Ph.D.; and how he arranged with still more friends for William to teach at UPenn and the Kennedy School of Government. With that, Prof. Katznelson recalled, he then asked Irving what he thought of affirmative action. 'I oppose it,' Irving replied. 'It subverts meritocracy.'
 
2014-04-07 01:56:53 PM
Bill Kristol...

He's the guy that admitted that the conservatives have been using the "Liberal Media" lie rather effectively to deflect any criticism against conservatives since Nixon, right?

And somehow they are STILL able to use that lie?
 
2014-04-07 01:58:02 PM

yakmans_dad: There are no croutons in your word salad. There aren't even any word croutons.


clambam: Not Sure If Serious. Presumably you won't object when the Democrats win and as a consequence the Republicans are annihilated. That is, after all, natural selection.


Strik3r: So... Bamacare succeeds and GOP loses.....
does this mean we're culling the GOP???


Okay, Diogenes, you gotta pull your lines, you're at your limit for this thread.
 
2014-04-07 01:58:12 PM

meat0918: Bill Kristol...

He's the guy that admitted that the conservatives have been using the "Liberal Media" lie rather effectively to deflect any criticism against conservatives since Nixon, right?

And somehow they are STILL able to use that lie?


Well, it's all the same aging constituents since then, so why not? Unfortunately for the GOP, they're dying off at a rather alarming clip these days.
 
2014-04-07 02:01:22 PM

theorellior: "I remember back in the late '90s when Ira Katznelson, an eminent political scientist at Columbia, came to deliver a guest lecture to an economic philosophy class I was taking. It was a great lecture, made more so by the fact that the class was only about ten or twelve students and we got got ask all kinds of questions and got a lot of great, provocative answers.

"Anyhow, Prof. Katznelson described a lunch he had with Irving Kristol back during the first Bush administration. The talk turned to William Kristol, then Dan Quayle's chief of staff, and how he got his start in politics. Irving recalled how he talked to his friend Harvey Mansfield at Harvard, who secured William a place there as both an undergrad and graduate student; how he talked to Pat Moynihan, then Nixon's domestic policy adviser, and got William an internship at The White House; how he talked to friends at the RNC and secured a job for William after he got his Harvard Ph.D.; and how he arranged with still more friends for William to teach at UPenn and the Kennedy School of Government. With that, Prof. Katznelson recalled, he then asked Irving what he thought of affirmative action. 'I oppose it,' Irving replied. 'It subverts meritocracy.'


That has to be a true story because it is as bracing to the senses as a cool breeze and it stimulates the production of bile.
 
2014-04-07 02:01:43 PM
I watched an episode of Real Time some time ago when Kristol was on the panel, and he seemed really self-aware. He'd still parrot hackneyed talking points but on particularly weaker, less relevant talking points, the lower his voice and more weak/defensive his body language would be.

Very strange performance. It's like he was trying desperately to tip off to the world that he's a shill who hates himself.
 
2014-04-07 02:04:02 PM
I struggle to think of ANY issue the GOP is on the right side.  EVERYTHING should be the issue that dooms the GOP.  In the last decade, their warmongering should have doomed the GOP.  As should have their efforts towards financial deregulation leading to the collapse.  Religious, sexual, and racial bigotry should have doomed the GOP innumerable times by now.   The disastrous damage to the middle class brought on by their belief in trickle down economics should have doomed the GOP.

Countless things should have doomed the GOP...except we live in a country full of ignorant, gullible morons.  Why should the current issue of the day be any different?  The GOP is wrong...again.  Their refusal to accept reality has and will continue to greatly harm the country and the general populace...again.  And voters will continue to reward them by voting them into power...again.
 
2014-04-07 02:04:05 PM
Kristol, like Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and Rove, should all be at the very least marginalized from making comments in the press.

I don't know who thinks people like this are experts in anything other than farked up attempts at imperialistic nationbuilding. Heck, I guess it sells copy. There ya go. Answered my own question.
 
2014-04-07 02:04:37 PM

The Why Not Guy: Grungehamster: and more people have signed onto the Medicaid expansion than the healthcare exchanges which is embarrassing to the administration.

Unlike Ramesh, I don't see that as embarrassing at all. Moving uninsured people into Medicaid may or may not be as good as moving them into the exchange, but it's still a lot better than leaving them uninsured.


The argument is that simply modifying existing programs was more effective than total overhauls of how firms do business, so it betrays the fact that the administration could have done this without being so obtrusive and interfering with the way the market runs.

This is where every liberal chanting Medicare For All says "strong agree."
 
2014-04-07 02:05:12 PM
Tigger:

It literally never crosses his mind that the entire threat he outlines could be removed by actively participating in the development of a better healthcare program for the good of the country and sharing the credit.

That's not how divide and conquer works.
 
2014-04-07 02:06:02 PM

Tigger: It's a fascinating insight into the mind of the GOP.

It literally never crosses his mind that the entire threat he outlines could be removed by actively participating in the development of a better healthcare program for the good of the country and sharing the credit.


I've held that Republicans should have screamed from the mountain tops that this was their idea.

Had they embraced it, campaigned that they extended healthcare, and campaigned against Democrats trying to add a public option by labeling that a "government takeover of healthcare" (true or not), they'd be far more popular.
 
2014-04-07 02:06:35 PM

UrukHaiGuyz: meat0918: Bill Kristol...

He's the guy that admitted that the conservatives have been using the "Liberal Media" lie rather effectively to deflect any criticism against conservatives since Nixon, right?

And somehow they are STILL able to use that lie?

Well, it's all the same aging constituents since then, so why not? Unfortunately for the GOP, they're dying off at a rather alarming clip these days.


I knew those Death Panels would be good for something!
 
2014-04-07 02:06:50 PM

clambam: Diogenes: Tigger: It's a fascinating insight into the mind of the GOP.

It literally never crosses his mind that the entire threat he outlines could be removed by actively participating in the development of a better healthcare program for the good of the country and sharing the credit.

Typical libtard.  You probably think every kid who plays a sport deserves a participation trophy.

There are winners and losers.  It's better for one party to win than it is for everyone to be included.  It's natural selection, which I thought you pussies worshipped.  It culls the weak.

Not Sure If Serious. Presumably you won't object when the Democrats win and as a consequence the Republicans are annihilated. That is, after all, natural selection.


I believe the appropriate response to republicans is one they themselves said we were getting. Death panels.
 
2014-04-07 02:10:37 PM
I look forward to Kristol's pick for the GOP VP nominee in 2016

His last pick was a gift that keeps on giving, even to this very day
 
2014-04-07 02:12:16 PM

theorellior: "I remember back in the late '90s when Ira Katznelson, an eminent political scientist at Columbia, came to deliver a guest lecture to an economic philosophy class I was taking. It was a great lecture, made more so by the fact that the class was only about ten or twelve students and we got got ask all kinds of questions and got a lot of great, provocative answers.

"Anyhow, Prof. Katznelson described a lunch he had with Irving Kristol back during the first Bush administration. The talk turned to William Kristol, then Dan Quayle's chief of staff, and how he got his start in politics. Irving recalled how he talked to his friend Harvey Mansfield at Harvard, who secured William a place there as both an undergrad and graduate student; how he talked to Pat Moynihan, then Nixon's domestic policy adviser, and got William an internship at The White House; how he talked to friends at the RNC and secured a job for William after he got his Harvard Ph.D.; and how he arranged with still more friends for William to teach at UPenn and the Kennedy School of Government. With that, Prof. Katznelson recalled, he then asked Irving what he thought of affirmative action. 'I oppose it,' Irving replied. 'It subverts meritocracy.'


Is that from Jonathan Chait's book? Sounds like something I've read before.
 
2014-04-07 02:14:01 PM

Tigger: It literally never crosses his mind that the entire threat he outlines could be removed by actively participating in the development of a better healthcare program for the good of the country and sharing the credit.


Hell, they don't even have to do that much. All they needed to do was vote FOR the Affordable Care Act, and then crow about how it was the Heritage Foundation's idea in the first place and that a "Severe Conservative" implemented it in Mass...
 
2014-04-07 02:14:48 PM
If ACA is so "fundamentally flawed" why do Republicans then try to sabotage it? Why not just do nothing and let it fail on its own so no one can say they helped to try to destroy it?

Why? Because Republicans know it's not "fundamentally flawed". Instead they are afraid it's going to be very successful or they would not be working so hard at trying to sabotage it.
 
2014-04-07 02:15:04 PM

worlddan: Tigger:

It literally never crosses his mind that the entire threat he outlines could be removed by actively participating in the development of a better healthcare program for the good of the country and sharing the credit.

That's not how divide and conquer works.


Sure, but you know how else "divide and conquer" doesn't work? By dividing the population into smaller groups that also disagree with you.

Remember when the GOP tried to split off older Americans from younger and get them fighting with each other over ending Medicare? You ended up with younger people, most of whom appreciated that health care for old people is a good thing; and old people, who didn't care if they'd be unaffected, they think Medicare is a great program (when Congress stops trying to dick around with it).

The only people that supported the GOP's plan were younger Republicans, most of whom already wanted to kill Medicare.
 
2014-04-07 02:15:13 PM

clambam: Diogenes: Tigger: It's a fascinating insight into the mind of the GOP.

It literally never crosses his mind that the entire threat he outlines could be removed by actively participating in the development of a better healthcare program for the good of the country and sharing the credit.

Typical libtard.  You probably think every kid who plays a sport deserves a participation trophy.

There are winners and losers.  It's better for one party to win than it is for everyone to be included.  It's natural selection, which I thought you pussies worshipped.  It culls the weak.

Not Sure If Serious. Presumably you won't object when the Democrats win and as a consequence the Republicans are annihilated. That is, after all, natural selection.


Republicans succeed because of effort and correctness.  Democrats succeed by cheating.  So no.  That would be unnatural.
 
2014-04-07 02:15:40 PM

DarwiOdrade: Broken clock and all that.

As long as it means doom for the GOP, I'm down.


The weird thing about this whole situation is that the GOP are fundamentally unable to see the big flaw in Obamacare - that it is built around for-profit insurance companies - because their ideology can't conceive of profits being a bad thing. Whilst the conversation remains around sign-up numbers and people getting access to treatments they couldn't previously afford it's all golden for the Democrats, but that just won't last. In a year or two, appreciation will turn to base expectation and the story will be back on insurance companies increasing premiums as they always have - except this time the Dems will be obligated to defend the system that allows this rather than using it as fodder in making calls for change. The problem for the GOP isn't that Obamacare will be a resoundingly successful piece of legislation, it's that they won't be able to attack it's failings without undermining a central tenet of their ideology - that fewer regulations and more profit is a good thing.
 
2014-04-07 02:16:36 PM

Killer Cars: I watched an episode of Real Time some time ago when Kristol was on the panel, and he seemed really self-aware. He'd still parrot hackneyed talking points but on particularly weaker, less relevant talking points, the lower his voice and more weak/defensive his body language would be.

Very strange performance. It's like he was trying desperately to tip off to the world that he's a shill who hates himself.


If he were selling cars, that would be sad. Since he's promoting wars, not so much.


/And he also promoted Sarah Palin to prominence.
//Brutus, Judas, and Bloody Bill
///Dante reference
 
2014-04-07 02:17:33 PM

meat0918: He's the guy that admitted that the conservatives have been using the "Liberal Media" lie rather effectively to deflect any criticism against conservatives since Nixon, right?

And somehow they are STILL able to use that lie?


I would like to share an article that quotes him saying that with some conservative morons I know.
 
2014-04-07 02:17:41 PM

Diogenes: Republicans succeed because of effort and correctness.  Democrats succeed by cheating.


stop! stop! yer killing me! LOL
 
2014-04-07 02:22:05 PM

Emposter: Countless things should have doomed the GOP...except we live in a country full of ignorant, gullible morons.  Why should the current issue of the day be any different?  The GOP is wrong...again.  Their refusal to accept reality has and will continue to greatly harm the country and the general populace...again.  And voters will continue to reward them by voting them into power...again.


1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2014-04-07 02:23:30 PM

mrshowrules: Rapmaster2000: Diogenes: Tigger: It's a fascinating insight into the mind of the GOP.

It literally never crosses his mind that the entire threat he outlines could be removed by actively participating in the development of a better healthcare program for the good of the country and sharing the credit.

Typical libtard.  You probably think every kid who plays a sport deserves a participation trophy.

There are winners and losers.  It's better for one party to win than it is for everyone to be included.  It's natural selection, which I thought you pussies worshipped.  It culls the weak.

We do not train to be merciful here.  Mercy is for the weak.  Here, in the Congress, in committee.  A man confronts you, he is the enemy.  An enemy deserves no mercy.

[mygeekblasphemy.files.wordpress.com image 350x263]
I assume this is your profile pic.


STRIKE FIRST. STRIKE HARD. NO MERCY.
 
2014-04-07 02:23:37 PM

Grungehamster: The Why Not Guy: Grungehamster: and more people have signed onto the Medicaid expansion than the healthcare exchanges which is embarrassing to the administration.

Unlike Ramesh, I don't see that as embarrassing at all. Moving uninsured people into Medicaid may or may not be as good as moving them into the exchange, but it's still a lot better than leaving them uninsured.

The argument is that simply modifying existing programs was more effective than total overhauls of how firms do business, so it betrays the fact that the administration could have done this without being so obtrusive and interfering with the way the market runs.

This is where every liberal chanting Medicare For All says "strong agree."


You're absolutely right.  Which is why the rigging of the Obamacare Rube Goldberg machine seems so nonsensical.  You guys already had 4 different health care systems (medicare, medicaid, veterans care, open market), so you decide to create a fifth with little relationship to the others, in order to ostensibly appease conservatives, who turned around and shat on the whole thing anyways.

I get why it happened- Kennedy dies, they drag out Franken's recount, and make sure that 60 senate votes is a real challenge- but Medicare for all sure seemed like the path of least resistance.
 
2014-04-07 02:24:58 PM
I was just thinking about how of a screwed up place politically we live in thinking about this:

The biggest complainant Republicans had against candidate Obama 2012 was because of the ACA - A plan based off the plan THEIR CANDIDATE created and implemented.

Out of all the candidates that they choose to run against Obama it was the one who CAME UP WITH THE SYSTEM they so despise.

Serious think about that. Think of if an alien landed how would you explain that to him without him think our culture is not batshiat nutty insane!
 
2014-04-07 02:25:03 PM

Fantasta Potamus: Tigger: It's a fascinating insight into the mind of the GOP.

It literally never crosses his mind that the entire threat he outlines could be removed by actively participating in the development of a better healthcare program for the good of the country and sharing the credit.

I've held that Republicans should have screamed from the mountain tops that this was their idea.

Had they embraced it, campaigned that they extended healthcare, and campaigned against Democrats trying to add a public option by labeling that a "government takeover of healthcare" (true or not), they'd be far more popular.


Sure, but to complete the illusion, they would have had to work with the then-majority Democrats to pass it in the first place. By first declaring unending opposition and then talking endlessly about repeal, GOP ceded any and all claims they might have had regarding this policy.
 
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