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2014-04-07 08:39:48 AM
your religious freedom is not under attack, you farking shiat vultures
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2014-04-07 08:52:36 AM
If I'm not free to keep other people from being free then you are taking away my freedom!
 
2014-04-07 09:03:15 AM
Oh, is that what this one is about? I thought it was another right-winger telling us all what libs are like.
 
2014-04-07 09:03:20 AM

vpb: If I'm not free to keep other people from being free then you are taking away my freedom!


And being bigoted against bigots is the worst form of bigotry!
 
2014-04-07 09:08:34 AM
FTFA: Unless you've been sleeping under a rock, you've noticed the growing clash between religious freedom and issues like same-sex marriage and forced funding of abortion.

A first sentence that sums it all up for you.
 
2014-04-07 09:08:52 AM
I can't make any sense of this editorial.  It doesn't even try to find a coherent argument for institutionalized discrimination; it's just a word salad of rhetoric.

We know this much, liberals/leftists/progressives are out to get you.
 
2014-04-07 09:10:50 AM

Jackson Herring: your religious freedom is not under attack, you farking shiat vultures


Tell me where in the United States a Christian now has a right to put a homosexual to death, as the Bible commands.
 
2014-04-07 09:11:35 AM
What left?
 
2014-04-07 09:12:04 AM
FTFA: "Unless you've been sleeping under a rock, you've noticed the growing clash between religious freedom and issues like same-sex marriage and forced funding of abortion."

I must have been sleeping under a rock. I don't recall any issue of "forced funding of abortion."

Unless Clown Hall is still whining about the battle to make double-extra-sure that Obamacare didn't fund abortions (which it never did and still doesn't).  Oh, wait... the Right Wing Noise Machine® WON that battle... FOUR YEARS AGO.

\I think the thing I hate worst about the RWNM is how they never quit whining about battles that they win.
\\We'll never hear the end of this lesbian wedding cake thing.
\\\You know I'm right.
 
2014-04-07 09:13:35 AM

Dimensio: Jackson Herring: your religious freedom is not under attack, you farking shiat vultures

Tell me where in the United States a Christian now has a right to put a homosexual to death, as the Bible commands.


It's in the 0th Amendment to the United States Constitution. It reads in full "Congress shall make no law abridging the freedom to put homosexuals to death." Come on, dude. Didn't you learn to read several decades ago, or are you an illiterate jackass?
 
2014-04-07 09:13:39 AM
It's a Monday, I'm bored, so what the hell, right? Click that Townhall article. Maybe it will make for interesting discussion.

Nope. Bunch of pants-on-head team-sporting against "the left."

fark Mondays.
 
2014-04-07 09:14:25 AM
Unless you've been sleeping under a rock, you've noticed the growing clash between religious freedom bigotry and issues like same-sex marriage and forced funding of abortion.

FTFY, jackasses. Your religious freedom is going nowhere: You're free to not marry someone of the same gender. You're free to not get an abortion. You're even free to biatch about it. You AREN'T free to use the government to ensure that other people aren't allowed to marry who they love, or have control over their own body, or complain about you being an asshole.
 
2014-04-07 09:14:35 AM
"Thou shalt not baketh pastry for a man who lieth with another man."

Well, their biblical basis for their bigotry is solid.
 
2014-04-07 09:14:48 AM
In Ocean Grove, New Jersey, a Methodist camp meeting association lost its tax-exempt status for declining its wedding pavilion to two lesbians for a same-sex ceremony.

Yay! Thanks conservative article for making me smile about those bastards! I didn't know that happened and OG is part of my town! Damn good local news that I didn't know happened till now!
 
2014-04-07 09:15:04 AM
I love how all these serious, terrible, horrible problems could have been solved/not been a problem in the first place, if someone would have just

- Made a cake
- Made a cake
- Sold some flowers
- Took some pictures
- Found a loving home for a child

Truly, these are the end times *eyeroll*
 
2014-04-07 09:16:19 AM
This article first appeared at TheBlaze.com.

Is The Blaze becoming Reuters for derp?
 
2014-04-07 09:20:01 AM
FSM, not this shiat again.
 
2014-04-07 09:23:27 AM

DarkSoulNoHope: In Ocean Grove, New Jersey, a Methodist camp meeting association lost its tax-exempt status for declining its wedding pavilion to two lesbians for a same-sex ceremony.

Yay! Thanks conservative article for making me smile about those bastards! I didn't know that happened and OG is part of my town! Damn good local news that I didn't know happened till now!


http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/18/nyregion/18grove.html?_r=0

Yup, except that it happened in 2007, which the article writer fails to mention. He also fails to mention this important tidbit:

"In a letter to the administrator of the Ocean Grove Camp Meeting Association, a Methodist organization that owns the pavilion property, the state commissioner of environmental protection, Lisa Jackson, declined to recertify the pavilion as eligible for a real estate tax exemption it has enjoyed since 1989 under the state's Green Acres Program, but did renew the tax-exempt status of the rest of the boardwalk and the beach, also owned by the association."

In other words, typical Twownhall bullshiate.
 
2014-04-07 09:23:32 AM

LordJiro: Unless you've been sleeping under a rock, you've noticed the growing clash between religious freedom bigotry and issues like same-sex marriage and forced funding of abortion.

FTFY, jackasses. Your religious freedom is going nowhere: You're free to not marry someone of the same gender. You're free to not get an abortion. You're even free to biatch about it. You AREN'T free to use the government to ensure that other people aren't allowed to marry who they love, or have control over their own body, or complain about you being an asshole.


Damn line at McDonald's...making me late to the party.
 
2014-04-07 09:23:46 AM

Jackson Herring: your religious freedom is not under attack, you farking shiat vultures


If your personal interpretation of religion is "I am better than you and I get to treat you like shiat" then it most certainly is.
 
2014-04-07 09:25:26 AM

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2014-04-07 09:26:13 AM
Yeah.
We all get the same police/military-industrial/surveillance state.

Thanks "liberals" and "conservatives," fascists that you all are.
 
2014-04-07 09:26:29 AM
 Summary: Mean ol liberals keep making us serve blacks, mexicans, irish, chinese, and homos  at our place of business
 
2014-04-07 09:28:43 AM

DarkSoulNoHope: In Ocean Grove, New Jersey, a Methodist camp meeting association lost its tax-exempt status for declining its wedding pavilion to two lesbians for a same-sex ceremony.

Yay! Thanks conservative article for making me smile about those bastards! I didn't know that happened and OG is part of my town! Damn good local news that I didn't know happened till now!


I hadn't heard about that case, but I did know about the Methodist church pretty much owning the town since I was a kid (our family used to go to OG almost every summer).  But it's not surprising that the case went the way that it did (and the group was probably given 2 choices, follow state & federal laws, or close the town off to anyone that wasn't a Methodist. And there's no way they would have closed the town off, since it makes a lot of money during the summer when people come to the Shore).
 
2014-04-07 09:29:11 AM
Taking a stand against gay marriage does not have anything to do with religion. It never has, it never will.

Christians love to wax poetic about how they are defending the institution of marriage. But if that was the case, then what about the 6th (or 7th, depending on your particular flavour of Moses) commandment? Thou shalt not commit adultery? Objectively that's an even more powerful rule than the Levitican "Thou shalt not buttsex your neighbor", since it's a full-blown commandment, whereas the Levitican rule is kind of just shoved in there between mollusks and polyester-cotton blends.

So if the integrity of the Bible was such an important thing, why is it that absolutely nobody is trying to outlaw marriage of adulterers? Surely adultery also makes a mockery of Traditional Marriage and ought to be banned as well, right? Right?

I will not take an anti-gay-marriage supporter seriously until they also publicly attempt to pass anti-adulterer-marriage laws as well.
 
2014-04-07 09:30:14 AM

DarkSoulNoHope: In Ocean Grove, New Jersey, a Methodist camp meeting association lost its tax-exempt status for declining its wedding pavilion to two lesbians for a same-sex ceremony.

Yay! Thanks conservative article for making me smile about those bastards! I didn't know that happened and OG is part of my town! Damn good local news that I didn't know happened till now!


And before anyone comes in here claiming "See!  Gays totally want to be able to sue churches into marrying them!", you should know that

1) The couple didn't want the church or its minister to marry them, they wanted to use the pavilion, and
2) The church rented out he pavilion for all manner of various functions.

TL:DR - the church was operating the pavilion as a public accommodation.  If you want to run your church as a business, then you have to abide by the rules for that business.
 
2014-04-07 09:30:35 AM

HotIgneous Intruder: Yeah.
We all get the same police/military-industrial/surveillance state.

Thanks "liberals" and "conservatives," fascists that you all are.


I never realized that both sides are bad before.

Thanks to Libertarians such as yourself I now know the TRUTH!
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2014-04-07 09:32:22 AM
Yeah... lets go back to the middle ages and declare people you don't like "witches."  Anyone different? BURN THEM!

Assholes...
 
2014-04-07 09:32:23 AM

HypnozombieX: Summary: Mean ol liberals keep making us serve blacks, mexicans, irish, chinese, women, poors, and homos  at our place of business

 
2014-04-07 09:32:51 AM
So in the end this douchenozzle's message is, "Haters wanna hate"?

/Hey pussbucket, how about you just try concentrating on your Christ's message and leave the judgement to your God. Like it says in your Holy Book.
 
2014-04-07 09:33:28 AM

Without Fail: HotIgneous Intruder: Yeah.
We all get the same police/military-industrial/surveillance state.

Thanks "liberals" and "conservatives," fascists that you all are.

I never realized that both sides are bad before.

Thanks to Libertarians such as yourself I now know the TRUTH!


Thanks, but only in your bipolar mind is anyone who is not a con or a liberal a libertarian.
It's that kind of open-minded thinking that keeps you down in life, son.
Fascists abounding.
 
2014-04-07 09:34:33 AM
Luckily there is someone standing ground against liberal's tolerance facism. Marine Todd
FWD:FWD:FWD:FWD:
The abortionplex was having its grand opening. Women were being dragged by thuggish urban youth to have abortions preformed by gay Muslim doctors while being indoctrinated with Marxism. The president of planned parenthood was there to preform the first abortion, his eyes glinting maniacly as the pregnant woman was brought forwards. As she was thrust onto the pentagramed podium, the president of planned parenthood turned to face the crowed. Many of them were frightened people gazing up at the hideous vastness of the abortionplex, occasionally flanked by gay Muslim doctors. The president spoke. "We have all gathered here to commemorate this astounding achievement in baby murdering", he boomed in an effeminat, evil voice. "Now we desanctify it by aborting a baby and using it as a sacrifice to the Islam Atheiest god, Satan." The president withdrew a large carving knife, glistening steel, engraved with ancient words that made your head ach with their wrongness. As he raised the knife, a lone voice spoke. "Don't preform that abortion!" The crowed gasped as a lone form emerged from it and jumped the barricade. The president stared as the figure approached. "Whoever you are, I'd advise you to back off. Satan is strong and Ameria is weak!" The man spoke. "All I know is that you will not preform and abortion today." The president froze. He recognized that voice, a voice that sent every limpwrististed liberal into convulsions. It was Marine Todd. "Stay back!" cried the president. "Akbar Satan, Satan Alla!" But his pathetic cries would not save him. Marine Todd grabbed the pregnant woman, hoisted her onto his shoulders, and took aim. The president gazed in shock. Marine Todd spread the woman's legs, pointed them towards the president, and punched the woman in the stomach. The baby flew out of the woman's cooter at supersonic speeds, and smashed into the president. As the president collapsed with a broken sternum, Marine Todd leaped up, grabbed the umbilical chord, and used it to garrote the president. He then pulled out two AK-47s and duel wielded them, mowing down urban youth and gay Muslim doctors. The remaining urban youth and gay Muslim doctors fled into the abortionplex, thinking they'ed be safe. But the general of the Marines had seen Marine Todd on the TV, and was inspired by his bravery, so he put out an order to destroy the abortionplex. F-15 launched missiles and bombed the abortionplex into rubble, while crowed cheered and Marine Todd saved the baby with CPR. The baby coughed, looked at Marine Todd, and said his first words "God Bless America".
 
2014-04-07 09:34:54 AM

Without Fail: HotIgneous Intruder: Yeah.
We all get the same police/military-industrial/surveillance state.

Thanks "liberals" and "conservatives," fascists that you all are.

I never realized that both sides are bad before.

Thanks to Libertarians such as yourself I now know the TRUTH!


Just keep in mind though that the Libertarians lack the ability to even appear on national ballots in most jurisdictions. So just vote Republican. It's like practically the same thing anyway. But don't tell anyone.
 
2014-04-07 09:36:13 AM
Why?? Why do I insist on clicking TH links when I KNOW it's just gonna be an internet shiatcicle some mattress-farking mouth-breather is trying to feed me?

It's important to view one's right to free exercise of religion through this lens: "We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America. " If one's right to worship denies someone else the blessings of liberty, it's probably a violation of the Constitution.
 
2014-04-07 09:36:53 AM

MithrandirBooga: Taking a stand against gay marriage does not have anything to do with religion. It never has, it never will.

Christians love to wax poetic about how they are defending the institution of marriage. But if that was the case, then what about the 6th (or 7th, depending on your particular flavour of Moses) commandment? Thou shalt not commit adultery? Objectively that's an even more powerful rule than the Levitican "Thou shalt not buttsex your neighbor", since it's a full-blown commandment, whereas the Levitican rule is kind of just shoved in there between mollusks and polyester-cotton blends.

So if the integrity of the Bible was such an important thing, why is it that absolutely nobody is trying to outlaw marriage of adulterers? Surely adultery also makes a mockery of Traditional Marriage and ought to be banned as well, right? Right?

I will not take an anti-gay-marriage supporter seriously until they also publicly attempt to pass anti-adulterer-marriage laws as well.


What makes them so upset is that gays aren't shamed by their 'sin'. They can say that an adulterer has repented, so it's ok to get married again. The gays are still being gay, so they obviously are not repenting. Totally different in their eyes.
 
2014-04-07 09:37:04 AM
Is anybody really in control of who they are?  If we take a hard determinism based approach at viewing people's actions, what right does a business have to refuse any paying customer, no matter how rude or awful they may be.  After all - it isn't their fault that they're that way - just an unlucky series of events set in motion way before they were even born.

But seriously though, I have a difficult time supporting using force to make people do things they don't want to do.  You open a store with your own resources, you should be able to serve the clientele you want to serve.  I would never shop at such an establishment, but I don't think legitimate force should be used to enforce my opinion on that business owner.
 
2014-04-07 09:37:36 AM
Fourteenth Amendment, assholes.

Learn it. Live it. Gay marry it.
 
2014-04-07 09:38:09 AM

MithrandirBooga: Christians love to wax poetic about how they are defending the institution of marriage. But if that was the case, then what about the 6th (or 7th, depending on your particular flavour of Moses) commandment? Thou shalt not commit adultery? Objectively that's an even more powerful rule than the Levitican "Thou shalt not buttsex your neighbor", since it's a full-blown commandment, whereas the Levitican rule is kind of just shoved in there between mollusks and polyester-cotton blends.


Common mistake of the anti-religious; Christ fulfilled a new convenant with God and so Christians are not beholden to the Old Testament Rules. In fact, while still a Jewish sect, there was quite a bit of arguing amongst the early Christians as to which old rules to follow.

That being said, this is the second article I've read today that used the phrase "Liberal Gulag" so it would seem they're trying to get this phrase to stick. Sure, the left is acting quite athoritarian and religious freedom is under attack, that's pretty clear. (It's obvious because anyone who happens to disagree with Same Sex Marriage is painted as a religious fanatic and the truth is they are probably less religious and more of a traditionalist).

As demonstrated by the Mozilla dustup (and Mozilla should be ashamed of itself for caving like that, it was pathetic), political ideas are (and have been) demonized if they don't agree with you.

jayhawk88: I love how all these serious, terrible, horrible problems could have been solved/not been a problem in the first place, if someone would have just

- Made a cake
- Made a cake
- Sold some flowers
- Took some pictures
- Found a loving home for a child

Truly, these are the end times *eyeroll*



As an example - Why should they be forced have to make the cake if they feel it is against their religious beliefs?
- Why should they be forced sell the flowers if it's against their religious beliefs?
- Why should they be forced to take some pictures if it's against their religous beliefs?

Now mind you, all of these people are being forced to act under another persons belief system with the power of the Government - how is that any different from trying to get anti-abortion laws passed?
 
2014-04-07 09:39:59 AM

MithrandirBooga: I will not take an anti-gay-marriage supporter seriously until they also publicly attempt to pass anti-adulterer-marriage laws as well.


For a lot of fundamentalists, you can determine their beliefs by taking whatever is said in the gospel, and inverting it.

Jesus himself specifically condemned adultery, therefore, it's A-OK with many Christians.
Jesus feed the poor, therefore we should repeal food stamps.
Jesus healed the sick and the dead, therefore we should do nothing to improve health care.
Jesus told people to bring the little children to him so that they could talk with the teacher, therefore we should cut funding for schools.
Jesus himself never mentioned homosexuality, therefore, it's a mortal sin.
 
2014-04-07 09:40:08 AM

Bonanza Jellybean: "Thou shalt not baketh pastry for a man who lieth with another man."

Well, their biblical basis for their bigotry is solid.


Most of the gays that I know are fabulous cooks - so they baketh their own pastries and scones and whatnot.
 
2014-04-07 09:40:45 AM

MithrandirBooga: Taking a stand against gay marriage does not have anything to do with religion. It never has, it never will.

Christians love to wax poetic about how they are defending the institution of marriage. But if that was the case, then what about the 6th (or 7th, depending on your particular flavour of Moses) commandment? Thou shalt not commit adultery? Objectively that's an even more powerful rule than the Levitican "Thou shalt not buttsex your neighbor", since it's a full-blown commandment, whereas the Levitican rule is kind of just shoved in there between mollusks and polyester-cotton blends.

So if the integrity of the Bible was such an important thing, why is it that absolutely nobody is trying to outlaw marriage of adulterers? Surely adultery also makes a mockery of Traditional Marriage and ought to be banned as well, right? Right?

I will not take an anti-gay-marriage supporter seriously until they also publicly attempt to pass anti-adulterer-marriage laws as well.


Think that's bad? I once witnessed a so - called Christian wedding where the entire wedding party wore clothing made of blended cloth in flagrant violation of Leviticus 19:19. Heathens.
 
2014-04-07 09:40:52 AM

CanisNoir: That being said, this is the second article I've read today that used the phrase "Liberal Gulag" so it would seem they're trying to get this phrase to stick. Sure, the left is acting quite athoritarian and religious freedom is under attack, that's pretty clear. (It's obvious because anyone who happens to disagree with Same Sex Marriage is painted as a religious fanatic bigot and the truth is they are probably less religious and more of a traditionalist bigot).

 
2014-04-07 09:41:53 AM
There is nothing in the Constitution about having a right to a business, or a right to do whatever you want with that business, yet this fallacy seems to be at the core of a lot of "conservative" belief systems.
 
2014-04-07 09:42:05 AM
If a gay person refuses to sell a cake to a "Christian," that's persecution of Christians.

It's not persecution to try to make you resemble a decent human being.
 
2014-04-07 09:43:08 AM
Happy Holidays!
 
2014-04-07 09:44:10 AM
CanisNoir

Common mistake of the anti-religious; Christ fulfilled a new convenant with God and so Christians are not beholden to the Old Testament Rules.

Serious question: if the Old Testament rules are voided, what's the beef with homosexuals? Jesus never said anything about them at all, as far as I know.
 
2014-04-07 09:45:21 AM
Christ, jesus, God.
They don't exist, you delusional idiots.

They're like the Easter Bunny and Santa Claus.
Dayum.
 
2014-04-07 09:46:02 AM

LordJiro: CanisNoir: That being said, this is the second article I've read today that used the phrase "Liberal Gulag" so it would seem they're trying to get this phrase to stick. Sure, the left is acting quite athoritarian and religious freedom is under attack, that's pretty clear. (It's obvious because anyone who happens to disagree with Same Sex Marriage is painted as a religious fanatic bigot and the truth is they are probably less religious and more of a traditionalist bigot).


I think it's important at this point in time to take a breath, look back and reflect on just how badly these worthless shiat wizards have lost.

It's over. The nation now largely sees them for the scum sucking filth that they are. The next few years are just going to be endless daily reminders of how badly they lost. A few years from that we will teach schoolchildren about what bad people they were.
 
2014-04-07 09:46:16 AM

lordjupiter: There is nothing in the Constitution about having a right to a business, or a right to do whatever you want with that business, yet this fallacy seems to be at the core of a lot of "conservative" belief systems.


Private property rights were very much on the minds of the founders at the time of the Revolution. Not sure why you think that's changed.
 
2014-04-07 09:47:22 AM

NobleHam: It's not persecution to try to make you resemble a decent human being.


Is it society's right to force people to be "decent human beings"?  As long as their lack of decency isn't actively harming people, why do we care?
 
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