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(CNN)   Finding the pingers from MH370 on the last day of battery life would be like throwing a dart out of an airplane at a dartboard you knew was on the ground somewhere in Nevada. Hey, whadya know - BULLSEYE   (cnn.com) divider line 145
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2014-04-07 04:18:44 AM
There's an Area 51 joke in there somewhere.
 
2014-04-07 06:54:18 AM
how convenient.
 
2014-04-07 07:43:43 AM
WTF is with this trend of auto-start videos?  Midway through reading the first sentence of TFA and BAM - The volume wakes the entire household.

Fark that.
 
2014-04-07 07:44:18 AM
I hate to be a Debby Downer, but if this was in fact a criminal act and the pilot went so far as to disable ACARS as well as turning the transponder off, it's almost certain he popped the breakers for the CVR and FDR.
 
2014-04-07 08:31:00 AM
from TFA: "We have a promising lead, but we have yet to get confirming evidence."
 
2014-04-07 08:54:37 AM

Friskya: from TFA: "We have a promising lead, but we have yet to get confirming evidence."


But..but...I thought:

www.yougetsignal.com
 
2014-04-07 09:00:17 AM

nekom: I hate to be a Debby Downer, but if this was in fact a criminal act and the pilot went so far as to disable ACARS as well as turning the transponder off, it's almost certain he popped the breakers for the CVR and FDR.


Yeah, he's going to be in a lot of trouble when they find him!

/ But I'm confused. Didn't they say they were getting pings from the black box a few days ago? I'm guessing that was yet another false alarm?
 
2014-04-07 09:01:05 AM
CNN
*****Breaking News******

The plane has not yet been found but it could be found any minute.
 
2014-04-07 09:01:20 AM
Or maybe the batteries will exceed the required spec for lifetime.
 
2014-04-07 09:01:32 AM
Lies.
 
2014-04-07 09:01:33 AM
If, by some strange happenstance of the universe, they happen to find this thing, I am going to bet that it was by no strange happenstance.

"Oh, look.  Here it is!"  Yeah, sure.
 
2014-04-07 09:01:36 AM
Uh oh!  Putin better come up with something else to distract us.
 
2014-04-07 09:04:03 AM

nekom: I hate to be a Debby Downer, but if this was in fact a criminal act and the pilot went so far as to disable ACARS as well as turning the transponder off, it's almost certain he popped the breakers for the CVR and FDR.


I don't see breakers for the CVR or FDR in either the left breaker panel or the right breaker panel  on a Boeing 777.
 
2014-04-07 09:04:42 AM

Smashed Hat: Didn't they say they were getting pings from the black box a few days ago? I'm guessing that was yet another false alarm?


One ping only
www.smartlivingnetwork.com

Anyway, I heard that there's stuff in the ocean that makes a bunch of noise.  This could've been a Pingfish.
 
2014-04-07 09:06:14 AM
Yesterday the news was that the Australians detected the Pinger about 300 miles away from where the Chinese first detected it. I don't think there's any sort of conspiracy in any way, but god damn do they make it easy for conspiracy nuts to think that there's some sort of international cabal trying to hide the "truth", because that's a more realistic answer than thinking that all these countries are so completely incompetent.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2014-04-07 09:06:34 AM
It's pretty much right on the projected path of the aircraft, and they only just started using the hydrophone detector thingies so it's not all that miraculous.  Also the batteries don't just die at exactly 30 days, they are supposed to maintain 100% rated output for at least 30 days then they run down over a week or so.
 
2014-04-07 09:08:06 AM

MooseBayou: Smashed Hat: Didn't they say they were getting pings from the black box a few days ago? I'm guessing that was yet another false alarm?

One ping only
[www.smartlivingnetwork.com image 400x278]

Anyway, I heard that there's stuff in the ocean that makes a bunch of noise.  This could've been a Pingfish.


Well, if it was the Marvellous Breadfish you can't stop hearing it.
 
2014-04-07 09:08:53 AM

Smashed Hat: nekom: I hate to be a Debby Downer, but if this was in fact a criminal act and the pilot went so far as to disable ACARS as well as turning the transponder off, it's almost certain he popped the breakers for the CVR and FDR.

Yeah, he's going to be in a lot of trouble when they find him!

/ But I'm confused. Didn't they say they were getting pings from the black box a few days ago? I'm guessing that was yet another false alarm?


Underwater sound propagation, especially deep-water propagation, can get freaky.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Underwater_acoustics
 
2014-04-07 09:09:08 AM

nekom: I hate to be a Debby Downer, but if this was in fact a criminal act and the pilot went so far as to disable ACARS as well as turning the transponder off, it's almost certain he popped the breakers for the CVR and FDR.


Even if breakers existed for the two devices, popping them wouldn't prevent the CVR/FDR from pinging their location in the event of a crash.
 
2014-04-07 09:10:23 AM

some_beer_drinker: how convenient.


As he says, what Bullseye is, is MAGIC
 
2014-04-07 09:10:32 AM

MooseBayou: If, by some strange happenstance of the universe, they happen to find this thing, I am going to bet that it was by no strange happenstance.

"Oh, look.  Here it is!"  Yeah, sure.


Wait, so now after an exhaustive search, actually finding it is another sign of a conspiracy? Is anything about it not conspiratorial?
 
2014-04-07 09:11:26 AM
They're chasing a whale that ate the black box.
 
2014-04-07 09:12:13 AM

MooseBayou: Smashed Hat: Didn't they say they were getting pings from the black box a few days ago? I'm guessing that was yet another false alarm?

One ping only
[www.smartlivingnetwork.com image 400x278]

Anyway, I heard that there's stuff in the ocean that makes a bunch of noise.  This could've been a Pingfish.


Actually, it was Das Limpet.
 
2014-04-07 09:12:29 AM
Happy Chanukah everybody!
 
2014-04-07 09:12:51 AM

Triumph: There's an Area 51 joke in there somewhere.


The joke is that the 'stans are the new Area 51 and that's were the plane is...with the alien bodies and stuff.
 
2014-04-07 09:13:29 AM

greggerm: nekom: I hate to be a Debby Downer, but if this was in fact a criminal act and the pilot went so far as to disable ACARS as well as turning the transponder off, it's almost certain he popped the breakers for the CVR and FDR.

Even if breakers existed for the two devices, popping them wouldn't prevent the CVR/FDR from pinging their location in the event of a crash.


Some show, not on CNN, had a 777 pilot on, he said they cannot turn off the CVR or FDR.
 
2014-04-07 09:15:10 AM

dittybopper: nekom: I hate to be a Debby Downer, but if this was in fact a criminal act and the pilot went so far as to disable ACARS as well as turning the transponder off, it's almost certain he popped the breakers for the CVR and FDR.

I don't see breakers for the CVR or FDR in either the left breaker panel or the right breaker panel  on a Boeing 777.


Why would the 32nd president need his own breaker?

/ I know, I know; it stands for something else
 
2014-04-07 09:15:12 AM

FnkyTwn: Yesterday the news was that the Australians detected the Pinger about 300 miles away from where the Chinese first detected it. I don't think there's any sort of conspiracy in any way, but god damn do they make it easy for conspiracy nuts to think that there's some sort of international cabal trying to hide the "truth", because that's a more realistic answer than thinking that all these countries are so completely incompetent.


That's entirely possible, and *BOTH* could have heard the pingers and reported accurately that they heard them, despite being hundreds of miles apart.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sofar_channel
 
2014-04-07 09:16:29 AM
img.fark.net
 
2014-04-07 09:16:30 AM

dittybopper: nekom: I hate to be a Debby Downer, but if this was in fact a criminal act and the pilot went so far as to disable ACARS as well as turning the transponder off, it's almost certain he popped the breakers for the CVR and FDR.

I don't see breakers for the CVR or FDR in either the left breaker panel or the right breaker panel  on a Boeing 777.


Well maybe they changed that.  I was thinking back to Federal Express 705 when the jumpseat passenger had kicked the breakers for them at the FE's post, perhaps they are no longer accessible to the crew.  There would be no reason not to and I suspect in the future they should probably make the transponder unable to be turned off on commercial flights as well.  No matter what this turns out to be, it has to be a learning experience.
 
2014-04-07 09:16:52 AM
It's the Deep Ones.  Your meddling in the Indian Ocean has caused Mother Hydra and Father Dagon great vexation and they are waking up the forces to go and destroy the hairless apes that live on the surface.  So you might want to back off and go search for the plane somewhere else, like R'lyeh.  Cthulhu always wants souls to eat.
 
2014-04-07 09:16:57 AM

NightOwl2255: greggerm: nekom: I hate to be a Debby Downer, but if this was in fact a criminal act and the pilot went so far as to disable ACARS as well as turning the transponder off, it's almost certain he popped the breakers for the CVR and FDR.

Even if breakers existed for the two devices, popping them wouldn't prevent the CVR/FDR from pinging their location in the event of a crash.

Some show, not on CNN, had a 777 pilot on, he said they cannot turn off the CVR or FDR.


wait are you telling me that a Fark expert is wrong?!
 
2014-04-07 09:17:11 AM

nekom: I hate to be a Debby Downer, but if this was in fact a criminal act and the pilot went so far as to disable ACARS as well as turning the transponder off, it's almost certain he popped the breakers for the CVR and FDR.


That's actually good. The last sound on the CVR would be the breaker being popped and the last bit of data on the FDR would show the plane having no mechanical issues. It would allow investigators to conclude pilot suicide. The CVR would also pick up any interactions between pilot and copilot to figure out who started popping breakers.

Now if there was an electrical fire and the whole crew was incapacitated, allowing the plane to fly until it crashed, the remaining CVR and FDR would be almost silent.
 
2014-04-07 09:17:38 AM

iheartscotch: dittybopper: nekom: I hate to be a Debby Downer, but if this was in fact a criminal act and the pilot went so far as to disable ACARS as well as turning the transponder off, it's almost certain he popped the breakers for the CVR and FDR.

I don't see breakers for the CVR or FDR in either the left breaker panel or the right breaker panel  on a Boeing 777.

Why would the 32nd president need his own breaker?

/ I know, I know; it stands for something else


I lolled. ;)
 
2014-04-07 09:18:10 AM
Those batteries aren't on a damn timer that switches off after 30 days.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2014-04-07 09:18:11 AM

dittybopper: nekom: I hate to be a Debby Downer, but if this was in fact a criminal act and the pilot went so far as to disable ACARS as well as turning the transponder off, it's almost certain he popped the breakers for the CVR and FDR.

I don't see breakers for the CVR or FDR in either the left breaker panel or the right breaker panel  on a Boeing 777.


From what I understand it is normal practice to disable the data recorders after an incident to prevent information from being written over, and the circuit breaker is located in the electronic and equipment bay which is a small room under the cockpit.

Also it is necessary to be able to disable the power supply for safety reasons.  If there was some sort of electrical fire you wouldn't want to lose the plane for the lack of a circuit breaker.
 
2014-04-07 09:20:00 AM
Why is there any question regarding the consistency of the ping with MH370?  How many other FDR's are there pinging away underwater?
This is like Gary Larson's Far Side come to life.  "We've found a pinging FDR!  Oh wait, nevermind, it seems to be saying 'HELF.'"
 
2014-04-07 09:20:50 AM
I'm not say anything fishy is going on but stuff doesn't add up.  A plane goes missing and could be anywhere in half the world.  Then a satellite sees something in the water that turns out to be unrelated flotsam.  But they keep search in the same area even though the reason to search there was a false lead.  Now just as the batteries are dying someone hears a ping.  Just too convenient
 
2014-04-07 09:23:22 AM
Designed *minimum* battery life. Actual battery life will probably be much longer.
 
2014-04-07 09:24:57 AM

dittybopper: FnkyTwn: Yesterday the news was that the Australians detected the Pinger about 300 miles away from where the Chinese first detected it. I don't think there's any sort of conspiracy in any way, but god damn do they make it easy for conspiracy nuts to think that there's some sort of international cabal trying to hide the "truth", because that's a more realistic answer than thinking that all these countries are so completely incompetent.

That's entirely possible, and *BOTH* could have heard the pingers and reported accurately that they heard them, despite being hundreds of miles apart.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sofar_channel


The pings are at 37 Khz or so, and the diagrams CNN is showing of the towed acoustic sensors shows them very deep, but nevertheless, are 37 Khz sounds in the range of sounds a sonar operator (on the Red October) might hear and track?
 
2014-04-07 09:25:41 AM
Reminds me of the Archer episode where they were looking for the station wagon using the Satellite.

basementrejects.com
 
2014-04-07 09:26:25 AM

MooseBayou: If, by some strange happenstance of the universe, they happen to find this thing, I am going to bet that it was by no strange happenstance.

"Oh, look.  Here it is!"  Yeah, sure.


It's almost like a shiatload of people have been looking or something.
 
2014-04-07 09:26:49 AM
Except that's not how odds work... They've been throwing lots of darts, non-stop, many times a day for a month. The odds of any one of them hitting was minuscule, but the odds that one of them would eventually hit, are pretty good, and whether it's the first one or the last one, the odds are still the same. It's only when you dismiss all the other attempts, and after the fact say "what were the odds of THIS SINGLE ONE hitting" that you can make it seem unlikely.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2014-04-07 09:27:21 AM

zimbomba63: Triumph: There's an Area 51 joke in there somewhere.

The joke is that the 'stans are the new Area 51 and that's were the plane is...with the alien bodies and stuff.



The Royal Australian Air force was involved at Roswell too.  Coincidence?  I think not.

img.fark.net
 
2014-04-07 09:27:29 AM

FnkyTwn: Yesterday the news was that the Australians detected the Pinger about 300 miles away from where the Chinese first detected it. I don't think there's any sort of conspiracy in any way, but god damn do they make it easy for conspiracy nuts to think that there's some sort of international cabal trying to hide the "truth", because that's a more realistic answer than thinking that all these countries are so completely incompetent.


It only makes it easy for complete morons to be conspiracy nuts. In real life all sorts of mistakes and errors happen when the media is demanding early information from all the dozens of parties involved in the search before it has been checked and verified. If it was there actually was a conspiracy, everything would be nice and neat and consistent to fit the desired fake version of events.
 
2014-04-07 09:28:57 AM

AltheaToldMe: WTF is with this trend of auto-start videos?  Midway through reading the first sentence of TFA and BAM - The volume wakes the entire household.

Fark that.


Your speaker circuit breaker switches have to be in the Off position.
 
2014-04-07 09:29:03 AM

AltheaToldMe: WTF is with this trend of auto-start videos?  Midway through reading the first sentence of TFA and BAM - The volume wakes the entire household.

Fark that.


You can thank Obama for that.
 
2014-04-07 09:29:52 AM
Okay, which Farker snuck this into the article: "CNN aviation analyst Miles O'Brien said the new route includes designated waypoints that pilots and air traffic controllers use."
 
2014-04-07 09:30:11 AM

Slaxl: MooseBayou: If, by some strange happenstance of the universe, they happen to find this thing, I am going to bet that it was by no strange happenstance.

"Oh, look.  Here it is!"  Yeah, sure.

Wait, so now after an exhaustive search, actually finding it is another sign of a conspiracy? Is anything about it not conspiratorial?


well, they always find it in the last place they look.  Don't you see the patterns, man??   It's PATTERNS.   AND THEY KNOW ALL ABOUT IT.
 
2014-04-07 09:31:22 AM

Cheron: I'm not say anything fishy is going on but stuff doesn't add up.  A plane goes missing and could be anywhere in half the world.  Then a satellite sees something in the water that turns out to be unrelated flotsam.  But they keep search in the same area even though the reason to search there was a false lead.  Now just as the batteries are dying someone hears a ping.  Just too convenient


Because just because it CAN be in half the world, does not mean that it is equally likely to be in any place in half the world. The plane is not on a rooftop in Sydney, nor is it still in Malaysia for example. While you are technically correct, you are realistically as wrong as all hell.
 
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