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(Daily News Journal)   Tennessee to approve free community college for all high school grads. Kudos to the left. Reasons why it wouldn't work in your state to the right   (dnj.com) divider line 144
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2014-04-07 12:29:01 AM
Haslam wants to pay for the program, expected to cost about $34 million annually, by using $300 million in excess lottery reserve funds


Hey, New York, are you reading this?
 
2014-04-07 06:38:08 AM
Our HS graduates wouldn't have the GPA to get in to community college.  Even after 4 years of 12th grade.
 
2014-04-07 06:44:20 AM

Principal Clarinet: Haslam wants to pay for the program, expected to cost about $34 million annually, by using $300 million in excess lottery reserve funds


Perfect - have the stupid pay to educate the rest.
 
2014-04-07 06:46:29 AM
I'm already getting calls from high school students who now want to go to community college under this plan and would like help selecting courses that best transfer to UT.
 
2014-04-07 06:55:23 AM
Ha! Tennessee,  you are going to give both kids a free ride?
 
2014-04-07 06:59:23 AM

Principal Clarinet: Haslam wants to pay for the program, expected to cost about $34 million annually, by using $300 million in excess lottery reserve funds


Hey, New York, are you reading this?


You're asking the legislature to  read shiat?
 
2014-04-07 07:22:48 AM
Sounds like a good plan.

Kudos to you guys.
 
2014-04-07 07:23:00 AM
Sounds great. The only possible criticism I can even think of is that the money might be better spent preparing public ed. students prior to graduating high school, but any program to prepare students better for the real world is great, whether it be in HS or junior college.  Good on you, TN.
 
2014-04-07 07:25:15 AM
Do they have a shoe requirement for community college?
 
2014-04-07 07:26:07 AM
Problem: too many college graduates in the employment market allows employers to set high minimum educational requirements leading to many getting locked out of entry-level jobs

Solution: free education for everyone!
 
2014-04-07 07:26:47 AM
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They will still have to submit to the iron will of the Community College Commander
 
2014-04-07 07:27:47 AM
fta the program, expected to cost about $34 million annually,

$34 million? That's it? A little more than a Big Mac per person per year? That's all? Why isn't every state doing this? I'll tell you what, I'll give up an order of fries and a Coke if you throw in free trades schools, too.
 
2014-04-07 07:28:15 AM
Except for Mooselimbs, right Tennessee?
 
2014-04-07 07:28:27 AM

Harry Freakstorm: They will still have to submit to the iron will of the Community College Commander


I am the CLIT Commander!

/wrong movie?
 
2014-04-07 07:29:00 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: Problem: too many college graduates in the employment market allows employers to set high minimum educational requirements leading to many getting locked out of entry-level jobs

Solution: free education for everyone!


Tennessee doesn't have "too many college graduates."  They don't have enough to draw employers to their area.
 
2014-04-07 07:29:43 AM
Good idea, now include trade schools.
 
2014-04-07 07:30:11 AM
It would totally work in my state, if our governor and legislature weren't asshats who love nothing more than defunding schools and colleges to pay for more tax cuts.
 
2014-04-07 07:30:35 AM

ChubbyTiger: Harry Freakstorm: They will still have to submit to the iron will of the Community College Commander

I am the CLIT Commander!

/wrong movie?


Got news for you, those things that stand up and salute you are not what you think they are...
 
2014-04-07 07:30:51 AM
Wish this had been around when I graduated, it would have saved me two years of tuition at UTK. But I'm glad to see they are at least trying to improve the education system.

Now they need to finally institute an income tax so that the rich people pay for their actual share.
 
2014-04-07 07:31:14 AM
What is community college? Well, you've heard all kinds of things. You've heard it's 'loser college' for remedial teens, twenty-something drop-outs, middle-aged divorcees, and old people keeping their minds active as they circle the drain of eternity. That's what you heard, however... I wish you luck!
 
2014-04-07 07:31:59 AM

Principal Clarinet: Haslam wants to pay for the program, expected to cost about $34 million annually, by using $300 million in excess lottery reserve funds


Hey, New York, are you reading this?


Community colleges in NY are already dirt cheap and a great educational value.
But free would be better, I suppose.

Free to all, based on ability.
Sounds positively European.
 
2014-04-07 07:36:15 AM

HotIgneous Intruder: Principal Clarinet: Haslam wants to pay for the program, expected to cost about $34 million annually, by using $300 million in excess lottery reserve funds


Hey, New York, are you reading this?

Community colleges in NY are already dirt cheap and a great educational value.
But free would be better, I suppose.


This.  Try going to college anywhere upstate, there's always a local CC that's cheaper and has reciprocal credit arrangements.   Looking at you HVCC and RPI...
 
2014-04-07 07:36:23 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: Problem: too many college graduates in the employment market allows employers to set high minimum educational requirements leading to many getting locked out of entry-level jobs


Women and minorities hit hardest.
 
2014-04-07 07:36:28 AM

Three Crooked Squirrels: AverageAmericanGuy: Problem: too many college graduates in the employment market allows employers to set high minimum educational requirements leading to many getting locked out of entry-level jobs

Solution: free education for everyone!

Tennessee doesn't have "too many college graduates."  They don't have enough to draw employers to their area.


Not true. They actually have a high HS graduation rate...they just don't keep their college grads who go off for better job opportunities in other states.

/I'm one of them
//so is my husband
///so are several of our friends
 
2014-04-07 07:36:30 AM
I didn't have enough saved up to go to a university right out of HS, so I went to a TN community college for the first two years. The costs for two years there were less than half of one year at a university, and all my courses transferred to the university I wanted to go to as well. If TN is willing to do this for their graduating seniors that's one of the first good things I've heard from that state in a long time.
 
2014-04-07 07:36:58 AM

Principal Clarinet: Haslam wants to pay for the program, expected to cost about $34 million annually, by using $300 million in excess lottery reserve funds


Hey, New York, are you reading this?


Thought the lottery funds went to education already.
 
2014-04-07 07:38:46 AM

Notabunny: fta the program, expected to cost about $34 million annually,

$34 million? That's it? A little more than a Big Mac per person per year? That's all? Why isn't every state doing this? I'll tell you what, I'll give up an order of fries and a Coke if you throw in free trades schools, too.


For about $63 billion, or less than 10 percent of the defense budget, you could give every high school student in America a free four-year college education. Education is cheap compared to this country's resources, and we're stupid to push the cost of it onto the people who need it but often can't afford it. Educated people are more productive, and productivity helps everybody.
 
2014-04-07 07:43:51 AM
Lottery funds don't mean a whole lot if your state legislature is comprised of a a horde of neanderthals who want to gut the public education system and slough off as many students as possible into a bunch of charter schools run by friends of theirs.

The Muthaship: Good idea, now include trade schools.


I don't know about TN, but in NC, community colleges  used to be primarily technical/vocational schools.  But they've been turned into junior colleges for students who then finish up at a larger college or university.   So in addition to there not being trade school opportunities, but the students don't stay in the "community".
 
2014-04-07 07:44:55 AM

vartian: Principal Clarinet: Haslam wants to pay for the program, expected to cost about $34 million annually, by using $300 million in excess lottery reserve funds

Perfect - have the stupid pay to educate the rest.


^ Win ^
 
2014-04-07 07:45:05 AM

Deep Contact: Principal Clarinet: Haslam wants to pay for the program, expected to cost about $34 million annually, by using $300 million in excess lottery reserve funds


Hey, New York, are you reading this?

Thought the lottery funds went to education already.


Here's the way that generally works.

1. Tell everyone the lottery will pay for education.
2. Raise X billion dollars from the lottery.
3. Put that X billion dollars from the lottery towards education.
4. Take the original X billion dollars you were spending on education and spend it somewhere else.
5. Net gains to education are minimal but hey, you get to tax poor/stupid people to pay for your pork and brag about it.
6. Profit
 
2014-04-07 07:45:46 AM

LazyMedia: Notabunny: fta the program, expected to cost about $34 million annually,

$34 million? That's it? A little more than a Big Mac per person per year? That's all? Why isn't every state doing this? I'll tell you what, I'll give up an order of fries and a Coke if you throw in free trades schools, too.

For about $63 billion, or less than 10 percent of the defense budget, you could give every high school student in America a free four-year college education. Education is cheap compared to this country's resources, and we're stupid to push the cost of it onto the people who need it but often can't afford it. Educated people are more productive, and productivity helps everybody.


I know "because socialism" and all, but why in the world aren't we doing this?
 
2014-04-07 07:46:17 AM

LazyMedia: Notabunny: fta the program, expected to cost about $34 million annually,

$34 million? That's it? A little more than a Big Mac per person per year? That's all? Why isn't every state doing this? I'll tell you what, I'll give up an order of fries and a Coke if you throw in free trades schools, too.

For about $63 billion, or less than 10 percent of the defense budget, you could give every high school student in America a free four-year college education. Education is cheap compared to this country's resources, and we're stupid to push the cost of it onto the people who need it but often can't afford it. Educated people are more productive, and productivity helps everybody.


but then the rich kids would have more competition for the better jobs.
 
2014-04-07 07:46:56 AM
I'll line up to the right.
My reason why it won't work in my state only requires the name of my state: Michigan.

Our economy is what third world countries look at to feel better about themselves.
 
2014-04-07 07:47:01 AM

Sybarite: What is community college? Well, you've heard all kinds of things. You've heard it's 'loser college' for remedial teens, twenty-something drop-outs, middle-aged divorcees, and old people keeping their minds active as they circle the drain of eternity. That's what you heard, however... I wish you luck!


In VA, two years at community college with a 3.25 GPA in gen ed classes gets you: guaranteed acceptance into any 4-year state college, with all credits transferred.
 
2014-04-07 07:47:15 AM

bborchar: Three Crooked Squirrels: AverageAmericanGuy: Problem: too many college graduates in the employment market allows employers to set high minimum educational requirements leading to many getting locked out of entry-level jobs

Solution: free education for everyone!

Tennessee doesn't have "too many college graduates."  They don't have enough to draw employers to their area.

Not true. They actually have a high HS graduation rate...they just don't keep their college grads who go off for better job opportunities in other states.

/I'm one of them
//so is my husband
///so are several of our friends


Therein seems to lie the problem.  The graduate a bunch from HS, but not college, and employers don't want to go to a place that doesn't have a high rate of college grads, so without jobs, the higher educated leave.  Seems like they are trying to address this.  I could be reading your post wrong, but you seem to have explained exactly why the governor wants to continue his population's education after HS, ie, so employers are drawn to the area and those with a higher education don't leave the state.
 
2014-04-07 07:47:25 AM
Hmm.. Kid hits college age in a few years, Chattanooga has municipal fiber, no state income tax in TN.
 
2014-04-07 07:47:33 AM
....On the other hand, I'm not knocking this.  If you're going to have a Stupid Tax, aka lottery, you might as well use the money to teach the childrens things like economics in college.

+1 TN.
 
2014-04-07 07:47:53 AM

Notabunny: fta the program, expected to cost about $34 million annually,

$34 million? That's it? A little more than a Big Mac per person per year? That's all? Why isn't every state doing this? I'll tell you what, I'll give up an order of fries and a Coke if you throw in free trades schools, too.


^this^
 
2014-04-07 07:48:00 AM
I wonder if this might actually hurt the 4 year universities though.
 
2014-04-07 07:48:15 AM
Yay, now they can learn college-level Creationism
 
2014-04-07 07:48:45 AM

Deep Contact: Principal Clarinet: Haslam wants to pay for the program, expected to cost about $34 million annually, by using $300 million in excess lottery reserve funds


Hey, New York, are you reading this?


Thought the lottery funds went to education already.


Sort of.

For every lottery dollar that goes into education, a dollar comes out of education and goes into the bosses' pockets to dispense as they see fit.
 
2014-04-07 07:50:09 AM
A friend of mine told me they do free community college for HS grads in Cali. Is that one true?
 
2014-04-07 07:50:22 AM

Hobodeluxe: I wonder if this might actually hurt the 4 year universities though.


The cost of a college education has far outpaced the rate of inflation due to the easy accessibility to student loans which cannot be dismissed in bankruptcy.

So...
Ease of access to money + government intervention = (nearly)uncontrolled tuition hikes

4 year universities need to be hurt a little bit into some fiscal restraint before people can't afford a 4 year degree, which is becoming less and less valuable every day.
 
2014-04-07 07:51:49 AM
Sounds like a great thought but I wonder if  this will open the floodgates to people who aren't prepared then of course you can't fail them  and then you water down the community college coursework and do a disservice to those that are prepared?
 
2014-04-07 07:51:53 AM

bborchar: they just don't keep their college grads who go off for better job opportunities in other states


I'd love to know where you got this information.
 
2014-04-07 07:53:01 AM
I live in an area affected by a corporate scholarship program that allows everyone in the district who graduates high school with a 2.0 (yes a C average) to go to college for free, the result?  The kids in our county that attend this school have become completely useless citizens.  They know that they don't have to "work hard" to go to college and by the time they are sophomores they simply do not give a damn about their behavior or their grades.  (Do not get me started on the ones who think that after high school they can "dress how they want cause it's a free college" and will never be able to impress an employer because of it.)  The vast majority do the bare minimum to make the grades to graduate. I'd much rather deal with the kids in the county at large who are still having to compete for academic and athletic scholarships in the hope of being able to afford college.  They do not take their "right" to attend college for granted the way the kids at the big school do. Also because these in district kids are graduating with bare minimum passing grades, they are not "college ready" which means they end up needing numerous remedial courses and they typically drop out of college within the first year when it occurs to them that the work ethic we told them they needed is a real thing.  So, while it sounds like a great idea to let "everyone" attend community college for free, some people do not want to do the work and should not be allowed to go to college, at least not right out of high school...make them work at McD's for a year or two and then they MAYBE will be willing to do what it takes to pass Comp I and College Algebra!
 
2014-04-07 07:53:14 AM

Hobodeluxe: LazyMedia: Notabunny: fta the program, expected to cost about $34 million annually,

$34 million? That's it? A little more than a Big Mac per person per year? That's all? Why isn't every state doing this? I'll tell you what, I'll give up an order of fries and a Coke if you throw in free trades schools, too.

For about $63 billion, or less than 10 percent of the defense budget, you could give every high school student in America a free four-year college education. Education is cheap compared to this country's resources, and we're stupid to push the cost of it onto the people who need it but often can't afford it. Educated people are more productive, and productivity helps everybody.

but then the rich kids would have more competition for the better jobs.


I'm willing to risk it
 
2014-04-07 07:53:21 AM

kwame: I'm already getting calls from high school students who now want to go to community college under this plan and would like help selecting courses that best transfer to UT.


Good.
 
2014-04-07 07:54:07 AM

Notabunny: Why isn't every state doing this?


Because America has spent the last century lambasting poor people as the enemy. Why do you think we fight so hard against socialism? Because it's potentially the better system and would destroy our plutocrats' way of life. But for us proles, it would be great.
 
2014-04-07 07:55:24 AM
Wow! their lottery money actually goes to the schools? I thought they just say that to get the lottery passed  and then they use the money for the other dumb things
 
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