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2014-04-07 05:43:54 AM

buzzgoat: God-is-a-Taco: buzzgoat:

 Not sure if serious.jpg


I want to visit your world where the rich and powerful suffer for their mistakes instead of it being pushed onto the pooe and downtrodden.
Anyway, I was being theatrical and referenced this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandate_of_heaven for extra effect.
You don't touch the banks.
 
2014-04-07 05:58:21 AM
TFA: were found dead at their home yesterday after a possible "family tragedy,"

As opposed to their neighbors, who were all found dead after a "family hoedown"
 
2014-04-07 06:09:21 AM
Too bad..would have been a happy story if he didn't punctuate the end of his existence with the murder of two innocents.

If the Pistorius saga has taught me anything, it's only a tragedy if they were hawt.

/dnrtfa
 
2014-04-07 06:12:00 AM

danielscissorhands: Triumph: 1 - William Broeksmit, 58-year-old former senior executive at Deutsche Bank AG, was found dead in his home after an apparent suicide in South Kensington in central London, on January 26th.
2 - Karl Slym, 51 year old Tata Motors managing director Karl Slym, was found dead on the fourth floor of the Shangri-La hotel in Bangkok on January 27th.
3 - Gabriel Magee, a 39-year-old JP Morgan employee, died after falling from the roof of the JP Morgan European headquarters in London on January 27th.
4 - Mike Dueker, 50-year-old chief economist of a US investment bank was found dead close to the Tacoma Narrows Bridge in Washington State.
5 - Richard Talley, the 57 year old founder of American Title Services in Centennial, Colorado, was found dead earlier this month after apparently shooting himself with a nail gun.
6 - Tim Dickenson, a U.K.-based communications director at Swiss Re AG, also died last month, however the circumstances surrounding his death are still unknown.
7 - Ryan Henry Crane, a 37 year old executive at JP Morgan died in an alleged suicide just a few weeks ago.  No details have been released about his death aside from this small obituary announcement at the Stamford Daily Voice.
8 - Li Junjie, 33-year-old banker in Hong Kong jumped from the JP Morgan HQ in Hong Kong this week.
9 - James Stuart Jr,Former National Bank of Commerce CEO, found dead in Scottsdale, Ariz., the morning of Feb. 19. A family spokesman did not say whatcaused the death
10 - Edmund (Eddie) Reilly, 47,a trader at Midtown's Vertical Group, commited suicide by jumping in front of LIRR train
11 - Kenneth Bellando, 28, a trader at Levy Capital, formerly investment banking analyst at JPMorgan, jumped to his death from his 6th floor East Side apartment.
12 - Jan Peter Schmittmann, 57, the former CEO of Dutch bank ABN Amro found dead at home near Amsterdam with wife and daughter.

 The Cluster Effect

A nail gun? Jumping from the 6TH floor?

Did they have shares in a company that profits off the severely maimed?


Finance doesn't really require that much intelligence. It's salesmanship.
 
2014-04-07 06:16:22 AM

doglover: I stand corrected, quite a few jumps abroad.

They must know something we soon will.


You jumped to conclusions.
 
2014-04-07 06:19:13 AM

doglover: fusillade762: When we said "Jump, you farkers" we didn't mean take your families with you.

I don't think any of them actually jumped from anything, did they?


No. They're too big to fall.
 
2014-04-07 06:20:11 AM

Revmachine21: Worked in both domestic and international finance here and abroad. I spent 2007-2011 really trying not to jump off a bridge next to my apartment. Had a hard time watching so many people laid off, the markets so farked up because of greedy bastards, clients and innocent people ruined. I know that my job was just "normal" stressful for the industry. Many of the guys listed in by Farker Triumph were in the bleeding edge of priority juggling. I can't tell you the number of times I was on the receiving end of of bullshiat from those types. The shiat flows downward.

I've spent the last 2-3 years piecing my head together and I'm only finally starting to feel somewhat human. I try to sleep and many days, the moment I drift off, I wake up feeling like I'm having a heart attack. I'm not. Permanently lost the ability to digest certain foods, but who really needs to eat brussels sprouts?


You'll get no sympathy from me.

You sound like a mid-level heroin dealer crying about how bad you feel for the lives and families destroyed with the drug you pushed.
 
2014-04-07 06:26:31 AM
Note to self:  Do not accept any job offers from JPM.
 
2014-04-07 06:27:30 AM
August11:  If there is an assassin roaming the world and killing bank executives, and this is the advent of a global revolution, your "storm," it likely started years ago and our children will not see it through. I know your desire, though, we want to see it all, complete, in one fell swoop.

It's quite the opposite of a "people's" revolution.  A few may be legitimate suicides, but largely these guys weren't playing ball.  A bunch of mid-level JFKs, so to speak, only with better plausible deniability.  (Except for the flagrant nailgun incident; anyone who believes that was suicide is a sucker, and that's putting it kindly.)
 
2014-04-07 06:31:41 AM

God-is-a-Taco: buzzgoat: God-is-a-Taco: buzzgoat:
 Not sure if serious.jpg


I want to visit your world where the rich and powerful suffer for their mistakes instead of it being pushed onto the pooe and downtrodden.
Anyway, I was being theatrical and referenced this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandate_of_heaven for extra effect.
You don't touch the banks.


So that's like the Asian "Ordained by God" of the middle ages in the EU, I get it. Still doesn't exist.

And we all "touch the banks" If you have a retirement acount, you're invested in all the "bad" things, oil, war, income inequality, etc..

I think coruption is the third occupation to exist.
1. Farming (to eat and then to make money)
2. Prostitution ( to make money without farming)
3. Coruption ( to take money that you neither had to farm or fark for)
 
2014-04-07 06:41:04 AM

CoonAce: August11:  If there is an assassin roaming the world and killing bank executives, and this is the advent of a global revolution, your "storm," it likely started years ago and our children will not see it through. I know your desire, though, we want to see it all, complete, in one fell swoop.

It's quite the opposite of a "people's" revolution.  A few may be legitimate suicides, but largely these guys weren't playing ball.  A bunch of mid-level JFKs, so to speak, only with better plausible deniability.  (Except for the flagrant nailgun incident; anyone who believes that was suicide is a sucker, and that's putting it kindly.)


Interesting. By "playing ball," you mean they were not adhering to internal policies? I'm not surprised they have a weaponed arm of the organization.
 
2014-04-07 06:48:29 AM
To expound on my last reply, I guess that we can all be seen as the coruptors in the sense that we are working to get more "things". These things are by our own measure more valuable than the service that we provide, and thus we sell our abilities as a comodity to procure these things, ie: I'll give you x number of hours of my ability in exchange for something that would take me more that x number of hours to produce for myself.

How this applies to a number of deaths that may look suspicious, I'm not sure, just putting my thoughts out there to help explain my words.

Wether or not there is some underlying connection, I doubt that anyone will ever know. I have accidently shot myself in the fingertip with a nailgun before, and I can tell you 7 times would be a very painful thing and given that if a man were determined to off himself, keeping the garage closed with a running car would have been a much more merciful and painless way to get the job done.
 
2014-04-07 06:49:40 AM

Triumph: 1 - William Broeksmit, 58-year-old former senior executive at Deutsche Bank AG, was found dead in his home after an apparent suicide in South Kensington in central London, on January 26th.
2 - Karl Slym, 51 year old Tata Motors managing director Karl Slym, was found dead on the fourth floor of the Shangri-La hotel in Bangkok on January 27th.
3 - Gabriel Magee, a 39-year-old JP Morgan employee, died after falling from the roof of the JP Morgan European headquarters in London on January 27th.
4 - Mike Dueker, 50-year-old chief economist of a US investment bank was found dead close to the Tacoma Narrows Bridge in Washington State.
5 - Richard Talley, the 57 year old founder of American Title Services in Centennial, Colorado, was found dead earlier this month after apparently shooting himself with a nail gun.
6 - Tim Dickenson, a U.K.-based communications director at Swiss Re AG, also died last month, however the circumstances surrounding his death are still unknown.
7 - Ryan Henry Crane, a 37 year old executive at JP Morgan died in an alleged suicide just a few weeks ago.  No details have been released about his death aside from this small obituary announcement at the Stamford Daily Voice.
8 - Li Junjie, 33-year-old banker in Hong Kong jumped from the JP Morgan HQ in Hong Kong this week.
9 - James Stuart Jr,Former National Bank of Commerce CEO, found dead in Scottsdale, Ariz., the morning of Feb. 19. A family spokesman did not say whatcaused the death
10 - Edmund (Eddie) Reilly, 47,a trader at Midtown's Vertical Group, commited suicide by jumping in front of LIRR train
11 - Kenneth Bellando, 28, a trader at Levy Capital, formerly investment banking analyst at JPMorgan, jumped to his death from his 6th floor East Side apartment.
12 - Jan Peter Schmittmann, 57, the former CEO of Dutch bank ABN Amro found dead at home near Amsterdam with wife and daughter.

 The Cluster Effect


A nail gun, eh?  Sounds like Agent 47 got a little sloppy with one.
 
2014-04-07 06:55:06 AM

fusillade762: When we said "Jump, you farkers" we didn't mean take your families with you.


Speak for yourself.
 
2014-04-07 07:01:12 AM

Public Savant: More likely, the suiciders are just realizing that they've done shiatty things and can't cope anymore.


Its been my experience with people who do evil for a living that they don't suddenly grow a conscience.
Half the time they don't even believe what they're doing is wrong. They feel entitled to abuse the system and think nothing about converting their friends and neighbors into piles of cash and power. If they felt a twinge of guilt they'd buy a new lamborghini or three and move past it.

The real answer is probably stress.  Markets are more complex, technology has increased the pressure to perform, and there are more sharks in the water.  People get overwhelmed just trying to keep up with it all, but they're also so greedy that they don't realize its time to move on with their careers.


Occam's razor aside: The conspiracy theorist in me suspect its because they see the world changing.
America is slowly going strange. All that NSA and drone stuff is being turned against us. Our economy is still fragile with another credit crunch is probably due soon. The world itself looks to go back into cold war mode. If the major powers start to falter then the likes of Russia won't sit still, and nations who play money games (like china) will find their houses of cards falling apart. We've also made a mess of our environment and left no escape route for future generations.
This is a recipe to generate alot of angry people as prices rise and stomachs start to grumble.  Bank heads make a ready target for our frustrations and they know it.   Without a place to run, for them its like being trapped in the ultimate zombie scenario when your neighbors come knocking with knives in their hands. Except there'll be no place to run away to and no bunker deep enough to hide in.

The money men are looking at a choice between poverty, prison, or being shoved up against a wall by some angry militia.
I think what would make a power hungry Type-A sociopath punch his own ticket before the big show is the realization that they're going to lose the one thing they love the most.... Control over their own lives.

They probably don't feel any guilt for what they've done, but that doesn't mean they wouldn't fear the public response to it.
Given a choice between the executioners noose or one tied by their own hand, leaving while at the top of their game may seem preferable.
 
2014-04-07 07:05:23 AM
So.... Everyone here is going to burn their 401k's, I hope. You know, solidarity and stuff that banking and investing is evil. EVIL....

Because if you don't... perhaps you're just as bad as the people you hate so much.

www.drfunkenberry.com

After all... you're feeding them.
 
2014-04-07 07:13:16 AM
Until families got involved, I was happy to believe that it was some guy shoving people out of windows. The Defenestrator if you will.
 
2014-04-07 07:15:45 AM
So he was a banker until 5 - 6 years ago?  This is serious.
 
2014-04-07 07:18:50 AM

SDRR: fusillade762: When we said "Jump, you farkers" we didn't mean take your families with you.

Speak for yourself.


The son should suffer for the father's sins, and all that?
 
2014-04-07 07:21:07 AM

Ilmarinen: Fart_Machine: So by "family tragedy" are we talking murder/suicide or someone left the oven on.

In Dutch media it usually means the former.

And regardless of what scumbags these bankers may or may not be, if a parent killing their spouse and children and themselves makes you feel better, there's something quite wrong with you.

/not directed at you, Fart_Machine


Didn't you know?

On FARK, compassion is for the weak.

On FARK, one revels and delights in the misery of one that has been deemed to have been a 1%er.

On FARK, the only victory is to crush your enemies and to hear the Lamentations of their women.
 
2014-04-07 07:22:21 AM
It's a viscious cycle. We all feel the need to do what is expected of us, myself included. Go to work, make money, spend money, above all be good little consumers. Because if we don't, THE WORLD WILL END!!

No, no it won't. We might find out that we have screwed  the world up to the point where we can no longer live on it, but it will continue on without us. IF (really big IF) there is something going on in the world, some people will know before the rest of us. It takes a long time for information to spread, and in these days of the internet, much of the information is regarded as a possible hoax, so if I were to say "there was just a wreck outside my house and there is atomic contamination spreading" then most people would rightfully wait to hear it from a more reputable source. And the larger the threat, the more confirmation would be demanded.

The finacial sector is just like this, but worse. Think about anytime that you may have been layed off, most of the time there are rumors, then fear, then anger. maybe you do get the ax, but you didn't beleive it until the next day, there must be a mistake... etc.

Humans in general are optomists, we have to be, otherwise we would never have trusted enough in each other to have lived in the same cave, let alone sleep in the same cave, ate food that others have given us, or go out and explore more than what we could see from the entrance to that cave. Therefore we prefer not to listen to bad news the first time, especially when it is bad news.
 
2014-04-07 07:29:23 AM
Ilmarinen:

And regardless of what scumbags these bankers may or may not be, if a parent killing their spouse and children and themselves makes you feel better, there's something quite wrong with you.

The apple doesn't fall far from the tree. It's an unpleasant thought, but let's tie up all loose ends, just to make sure.
 
2014-04-07 07:37:10 AM

Ilmarinen: And regardless of what scumbags these bankers may or may not be, if a parent killing their spouse and children and themselves makes you feel better, there's something quite wrong with you.


Why? I didn't choose their profession, their spouse, their breeding habits, or their involvement in whatever got their family killed. If the people involved didn't care about their families, why should I?
 
2014-04-07 07:42:05 AM

untaken_name: Why? I didn't choose their profession, their spouse, their breeding habits, or their involvement in whatever got their family killed. If the people involved didn't care about their families, why should I?


Compassion.
 
2014-04-07 07:44:15 AM

Public Savant: buzzgoat: But, this is all speculation. Just thinking through my fingers as it were.

Leave the thinking to your head.

Nobody can figure out anything anymore due to ever increasing complexity.
Assuming that the lemmings were in the know is tin-foil worthy.

More likely, the suiciders are just realizing that they've done shiatty things and can't cope anymore.
Just like how old people can sometimes survive the winter, but come spring they croak.

It's often when things start to look a little better, that we realize what a toll a crisis has had on us.
Like getting sick on the same day your vacation starts.


I was thinking more that they spent more than they can afford based on future income. Now that some sectors of banking are I shiatty shape (and because all banks are "cutting costs") their incomes aren't rising as fast as they'd anticipated and they can't face the shame of having people know the truth.
 
2014-04-07 07:48:16 AM

jaybeezey: Ilmarinen: Fart_Machine: So by "family tragedy" are we talking murder/suicide or someone left the oven on.

In Dutch media it usually means the former.

And regardless of what scumbags these bankers may or may not be, if a parent killing their spouse and children and themselves makes you feel better, there's something quite wrong with you.

/not directed at you, Fart_Machine

Didn't you know?

On FARK, compassion is for the weak.

On FARK, one revels and delights in the misery of one that has been deemed to have been a 1%er.

On FARK, the only victory is to crush your enemies and to hear the Lamentations of their women.


25.media.tumblr.com
 
2014-04-07 07:48:28 AM

buzzgoat: It's a viscious cycle. We all feel the need to do what is expected of us, myself included. Go to work, make money, spend money, above all be good little consumers. Because if we don't, THE WORLD WILL END!!

No, no it won't. We might find out that we have screwed  the world up to the point where we can no longer live on it, but it will continue on without us. IF (really big IF) there is something going on in the world, some people will know before the rest of us. It takes a long time for information to spread, and in these days of the internet, much of the information is regarded as a possible hoax, so if I were to say "there was just a wreck outside my house and there is atomic contamination spreading" then most people would rightfully wait to hear it from a more reputable source. And the larger the threat, the more confirmation would be demanded.

The finacial sector is just like this, but worse. Think about anytime that you may have been layed off, most of the time there are rumors, then fear, then anger. maybe you do get the ax, but you didn't beleive it until the next day, there must be a mistake... etc.

Humans in general are optomists, we have to be, otherwise we would never have trusted enough in each other to have lived in the same cave, let alone sleep in the same cave, ate food that others have given us, or go out and explore more than what we could see from the entrance to that cave. Therefore we prefer not to listen to bad news the first time, especially when it is bad news.


It is a viscious cycle, but one that's fairly impossible to break without a large scale uprising.  I have to go to work and make money not to be a "good little consumer" but rather to feed myself and those I provide for, and ensure we have shelter.  I could quit my job, and stop going to work, but then I couldn't pay my rent, or buy food.  And since we've explored the whole world, I can't just head out to someplace new and find a patch of land and build my own shelter and start growing my own food, because all the land is already owned by somebody.  So either we work within the system to improve things as much as we can, or we destroy the entire system, do away with the concept of property and ownership, and figure out a completely new way to organize human society.
 
2014-04-07 07:54:57 AM
#5 used a nail gun - classy.  He probably used a whole rack of baseboard mold brads.
 
2014-04-07 07:56:13 AM

Destructor: untaken_name: Why? I didn't choose their profession, their spouse, their breeding habits, or their involvement in whatever got their family killed. If the people involved didn't care about their families, why should I?

Compassion.


I find my compassion lacking for the trust fund kiddies living off the spoils their daddies made wrecking the global economy.
 
2014-04-07 08:01:57 AM
A storm or an inevitable episode of CSI. I called it!
 
2014-04-07 08:03:15 AM

Destructor: untaken_name: Why? I didn't choose their profession, their spouse, their breeding habits, or their involvement in whatever got their family killed. If the people involved didn't care about their families, why should I?

Compassion.


You want me to have compassion for the profession responsible for ruining almost as many lives as the prison industry? You reap what you sow, and I didn't sow their destruction. They did. Why have compassion for them but not the millions of families who've lost their homes? Oh, right, they're more important than all those worthless poor they destroyed because they're rich. fark your compassion.
 
2014-04-07 08:03:16 AM

cherryl taggart: Note to self:  Do not accept any job offers from JPM.


They should put a diving board on the roof and score them for form.  Extra points awarded if they land on another thief.
 
2014-04-07 08:05:08 AM
Jorn the Younger:

It is a viscious cycle, but one that's fairly impossible to break without a large scale uprising.  I have to go to work and make money not to be a "good little consumer" but rather to feed myself and those I provide for, and ensure we have shelter.

You are preaching to the choir. I know and feel that frustration, I'm just trying to say that the system is broken, and these suspicious deaths may be a fore shadowing of a larger event.

BUT probably not.

The truth is that we will never know until it is too late. Just as we are now learning from scientists that we probably already passed the point of no return with the climate long before we even thought about doing anything about it.

I'm a conservationist, not the hippy type who wants you to wipe with leaves and live in a commune, but the type that goes into the forest and is depressed by the trash left by my fellow woodsmen. I want the forest to be there for the next generation, but I still live in a wood house, use tooth picks, and write on paper. I just hope that there is a way that we collectively can pull our heads out of our asses and figure some of these things out. BUT probably not.

Optomisim is a wonderful thing, until it kills you.
 
2014-04-07 08:05:22 AM
s2.quickmeme.com
 
2014-04-07 08:06:13 AM

buzzgoat: given that if a man were determined to off himself, keeping the garage closed with a running car would have been a much more merciful and painless way to get the job done.


Supposedly with modern cars with catalytic converters, that's a lot harder to pull off these days, because the CO output is negligible...
 
2014-04-07 08:06:27 AM
1.bp.blogspot.com
our storm.
 
2014-04-07 08:08:39 AM

wesmon: I find my compassion lacking for the trust fund kiddies living off the spoils their daddies made wrecking the global economy.


Well, maybe you're right. Maybe the whole family is no damned good.

Then again, maybe you're wrong. I don't know who these bankers are. For all I know, they just fought a losing battle against the forces of banking darkness and were forced to kill themselves for the sake of their families, "or else".

Bankers and banking isn't evil. It serves a useful purpose in society. Sure, there have been many terrible abuses and lots of wreckage. But this "hang 'em all" mentality is really dangerous.
 
2014-04-07 08:12:04 AM

Peter von Nostrand: doglover: I stand corrected, quite a few jumps abroad.

They must know something we soon will.

Eh, looks like a pretty random list to me


I don't know; lots of JP Morgan staff on that list. If it's a complete list of Financial suicides this year I'd say something must stink over at JPM.
 
2014-04-07 08:12:41 AM

Destructor: Bankers and banking isn't evil. It serves a useful purpose in society.


Yes, they are. No, not really.

/now that we've covered all the evidence...
 
2014-04-07 08:13:01 AM
A good start, but just not enough of them yet. I want to be able to see piles of banksters piled so high that you could climb up on them like a pyramid to the top floor so you can toss a Molotov into the CEO's offices.
 
2014-04-07 08:18:43 AM

untaken_name: You want me to have compassion for the profession responsible for ruining almost as many lives as the prison industry? You reap what you sow, and I didn't sow their destruction. They did. Why have compassion for them but not the millions of families who've lost their homes? Oh, right, they're more important than all those worthless poor they destroyed because they're rich. fark your compassion.


Yes. It starts with that.

Sure, punish the evil doers. But you better well make damned sure you got the right evil doer. Our justice system (sigh... at one time) was built on the idea that it was better to free 10 guilty men than to punish one innocent man.

What makes these men guilty? That they killed themselves and therefore they are evil? You don't know... or do you?
 
2014-04-07 08:19:06 AM

way south: The money men are looking at a choice between poverty, prison, or being shoved up against a wall by some angry militia.
I think what would make a power hungry Type-A sociopath punch his own ticket before the big show is the realization that they're going to lose the one thing they love the most.... Control over their own lives.


Interesting analysis....I bet they fear "poverty" more than those other 2 paths...( more ego-damaging)
 
2014-04-07 08:19:35 AM

RobSeace: buzzgoat: given that if a man were determined to off himself, keeping the garage closed with a running car would have been a much more merciful and painless way to get the job done.

Supposedly with modern cars with catalytic converters, that's a lot harder to pull off these days, because the CO output is negligible...


The CO is much lower, but with out an outside source of fresh air, the O2 would be depleted just the same.
 
2014-04-07 08:23:39 AM

Heron: I don't know; lots of JP Morgan staff on that list. If it's a complete list of Financial suicides this year I'd say something must stink over at JPM.


Poor earnings predictions, LIBOR and Forex investigations and a killing of the weak that's been brutal even by their usual standards. Other than that everything's peachy!

/ex JPM-C
//never quite suicidal while there
///quite...
 
2014-04-07 08:25:37 AM

Destructor: untaken_name: You want me to have compassion for the profession responsible for ruining almost as many lives as the prison industry? You reap what you sow, and I didn't sow their destruction. They did. Why have compassion for them but not the millions of families who've lost their homes? Oh, right, they're more important than all those worthless poor they destroyed because they're rich. fark your compassion.

Yes. It starts with that.

Sure, punish the evil doers. But you better well make damned sure you got the right evil doer. Our justice system (sigh... at one time) was built on the idea that it was better to free 10 guilty men than to punish one innocent man.

What makes these men guilty? That they killed themselves and therefore they are evil? You don't know... or do you?


The same thing that makes me unsympathetic to Mafia members who are "whacked". They are a part of a fundamentally criminal enterprise and they deserve everything they get and more just for that.
 
2014-04-07 08:29:28 AM

CoonAce: August11:  If there is an assassin roaming the world and killing bank executives, and this is the advent of a global revolution, your "storm," it likely started years ago and our children will not see it through. I know your desire, though, we want to see it all, complete, in one fell swoop.

It's quite the opposite of a "people's" revolution.  A few may be legitimate suicides, but largely these guys weren't playing ball.  A bunch of mid-level JFKs, so to speak, only with better plausible deniability.  (Except for the flagrant nailgun incident; anyone who believes that was suicide is a sucker, and that's putting it kindly.)


Contrary to popular belief, a belief deliberately cultivated by his PR team before and after his death, JFK was not some moral rebel against the iniquities of US society. I could perhaps believe him assassinated for his stupidity if the evidence didn't so strongly point to his death coming at the hands of a troubled political radical operating on his own, but the idea that some shadowy conspiracy of governmental and criminal Powers had him bumped off because he wouldn't "play ball" when it was HE would caused the Cuban Missile Crisis through his belligerence and uncritical acceptance of Pentagon/CIA/FBI analytical paranoia, and HE who escalated our military involvement in Vietnam painting LBJ into a corner regarding how to handle the situation, and HE who took the first tentative steps towards finacializing US elections and government is simply ludicrous.
 
2014-04-07 08:30:38 AM

untaken_name: The same thing that makes me unsympathetic to Mafia members who are "whacked". They are a part of a fundamentally criminal enterprise and they deserve everything they get and more just for that.


I see.

Well, I hope you won't taint yourself with credit cards, mortgages, loans, direct deposit, any kind of investment vehicle, or even a checking account. Just keep your money under your mattress. Otherwise, your complicit in Big Banking.
 
2014-04-07 08:35:04 AM

Destructor: untaken_name: The same thing that makes me unsympathetic to Mafia members who are "whacked". They are a part of a fundamentally criminal enterprise and they deserve everything they get and more just for that.

I see.

Well, I hope you won't taint yourself with credit cards, mortgages, loans, direct deposit, any kind of investment vehicle, or even a checking account. Just keep your money under your mattress. Otherwise, your you're complicit in Big Banking.


Correct. Although there are better places than banks or mattresses in which to save wealth. But you wouldn't want to hear about anything like that, since it might challenge your worldview. I don't deal in usury nor any industry associated with usury. You do what you want, just don't expect me to have compassion for thieves, liars, and cheats.
 
2014-04-07 08:35:52 AM

way south: The money men are looking at a choice between poverty, prison, or being shoved up against a wall by some angry militia.


Dream on. Money owns politics and the media. Politics controls force and the media directs both politics and public opinion. Short of a full-scale revolution the position of the wealthy in developed countries is as secure as it's ever been.
 
2014-04-07 08:36:25 AM

buzzgoat: RobSeace: buzzgoat: given that if a man were determined to off himself, keeping the garage closed with a running car would have been a much more merciful and painless way to get the job done.

Supposedly with modern cars with catalytic converters, that's a lot harder to pull off these days, because the CO output is negligible...

The CO is much lower, but with out an outside source of fresh air, the O2 would be depleted just the same.


And, if your garage were sealed completely airtight, that might mean something... But, I suspect most garages are a bit less hermetically sealed...
 
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