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2014-04-06 10:39:08 PM  
Now if some on Wall Street would only follow.
 
2014-04-06 11:50:25 PM  
1 - William Broeksmit, 58-year-old former senior executive at Deutsche Bank AG, was found dead in his home after an apparent suicide in South Kensington in central London, on January 26th.
2 - Karl Slym, 51 year old Tata Motors managing director Karl Slym, was found dead on the fourth floor of the Shangri-La hotel in Bangkok on January 27th.
3 - Gabriel Magee, a 39-year-old JP Morgan employee, died after falling from the roof of the JP Morgan European headquarters in London on January 27th.
4 - Mike Dueker, 50-year-old chief economist of a US investment bank was found dead close to the Tacoma Narrows Bridge in Washington State.
5 - Richard Talley, the 57 year old founder of American Title Services in Centennial, Colorado, was found dead earlier this month after apparently shooting himself with a nail gun.
6 - Tim Dickenson, a U.K.-based communications director at Swiss Re AG, also died last month, however the circumstances surrounding his death are still unknown.
7 - Ryan Henry Crane, a 37 year old executive at JP Morgan died in an alleged suicide just a few weeks ago.  No details have been released about his death aside from this small obituary announcement at the Stamford Daily Voice.
8 - Li Junjie, 33-year-old banker in Hong Kong jumped from the JP Morgan HQ in Hong Kong this week.
9 - James Stuart Jr,Former National Bank of Commerce CEO, found dead in Scottsdale, Ariz., the morning of Feb. 19. A family spokesman did not say whatcaused the death
10 - Edmund (Eddie) Reilly, 47,a trader at Midtown's Vertical Group, commited suicide by jumping in front of LIRR train
11 - Kenneth Bellando, 28, a trader at Levy Capital, formerly investment banking analyst at JPMorgan, jumped to his death from his 6th floor East Side apartment.
12 - Jan Peter Schmittmann, 57, the former CEO of Dutch bank ABN Amro found dead at home near Amsterdam with wife and daughter.

 The Cluster Effect
 
2014-04-06 11:51:58 PM  
That came from here
 
2014-04-06 11:53:44 PM  
Hi stress profession leads to suicides. Film at 11.
 
2014-04-07 12:08:41 AM  
When we said "Jump, you farkers" we didn't mean take your families with you.
 
2014-04-07 12:26:41 AM  
Sounds like a future episode of The Blacklist

/maybe a movie as well
 
2014-04-07 01:17:00 AM  

fusillade762: When we said "Jump, you farkers" we didn't mean take your families with you.


I don't think any of them actually jumped from anything, did they?
 
2014-04-07 01:20:32 AM  
I hope this is just a statistical anomaly and not the start of a bad trend.
 
2014-04-07 01:28:50 AM  
I stand corrected, quite a few jumps abroad.

They must know something we soon will.
 
2014-04-07 03:02:35 AM  

doglover: I stand corrected, quite a few jumps abroad.

They must know something we soon will.


Eh, looks like a pretty random list to me
 
2014-04-07 03:10:46 AM  
Did they all commit suicide by nailgun?

/dnrtfa
//good riddance
 
2014-04-07 03:17:24 AM  
Bankers are untouchables, subby. What are you suggesting?
Maybe if we hope strong enough every banker in the world will drop dead and we can rebuild our society into one of happiness and joy.
 
2014-04-07 03:17:30 AM  

Peter von Nostrand: looks like a pretty random list to me


There's nothing super consistent, but there are some interesting commonalities here and there. Maybe the most chilling one, though, is clearly unrelated to the others. That's the nail gun guy. He shoots himself 7 times in the chest and then finally puts one in his head and the cops immediately ruled it a suicide. If true, that is one seriously messed up state of mind.
 
2014-04-07 03:21:27 AM  
"You know what they call me in the ancient legends on the Dalek home world JP Morgan headquarters? 'The Oncoming Storm.' You might have removed all your emotions, but I reckon right down deep in your DNA there's one little spark left. And that's fear. Doesn't it just burn when you face me?"
 
2014-04-07 03:23:09 AM  

God-is-a-Taco: Bankers are untouchables, subby. What are you suggesting?
Maybe if we hope strong enough every banker in the world will drop dead and we can rebuild our society into one of happiness and joy.


Why do you hate the Jews?
 
2014-04-07 03:23:26 AM  
So by "family tragedy" are we talking murder/suicide or someone left the oven on.
 
2014-04-07 03:29:19 AM  
www.moviegoods.com
 
2014-04-07 03:32:27 AM  
This sounds like a Book come to life. I strongly suspect that there are back stories with all these people that lead to long forgotten closeted skeletons. But to get to a "high level" banking position you generally have to have an "I'm the BEST" type attitude, and that type of person is rarely going to have suicidal tendencies.

That's my opinion, and I am very possibly wrong. However, as a life time sufferer of depression I've studied the subject some, out of self-interest.

There may be a growing threat that these high level types do know of, but I doubt it.
 
2014-04-07 03:36:10 AM  

SilentStrider: I hope this is just a statistical anomaly and not the start of a bad trend.


It's definitely unusual, especially the 4 JPM related ones in a matter of weeks, 2 of them AT work.
 
2014-04-07 03:37:32 AM  
affordablehousinginstitute.org
 
2014-04-07 03:38:17 AM  
Looks like he called a "family meeting".

s3.amazonaws.com
 
2014-04-07 03:39:12 AM  
Worked in both domestic and international finance here and abroad. I spent 2007-2011 really trying not to jump off a bridge next to my apartment. Had a hard time watching so many people laid off, the markets so farked up because of greedy bastards, clients and innocent people ruined. I know that my job was just "normal" stressful for the industry. Many of the guys listed in by Farker Triumph were in the bleeding edge of priority juggling. I can't tell you the number of times I was on the receiving end of of bullshiat from those types. The shiat flows downward.

I've spent the last 2-3 years piecing my head together and I'm only finally starting to feel somewhat human. I try to sleep and many days, the moment I drift off, I wake up feeling like I'm having a heart attack. I'm not. Permanently lost the ability to digest certain foods, but who really needs to eat brussels sprouts?
 
2014-04-07 03:41:19 AM  

SilentStrider: I hope this is just a statistical anomaly and not the start of a bad trend.


It's just some mild statistical clustering.

That said, in all frankness if it was a trend I don't think "bad" is necessarily the right word.  These don't appear to be the basic personal-finance/property-management bankers that provide a valuable service to the community, these are the speculative finance/overleverage assholes that have crashed the world economy and ruined everything for millions of innocent people on multiple occasions and then bailed on their golden parachutes.

A whole lot of "and nothing of value was lost" going on there.
 
2014-04-07 03:41:55 AM  
Brace yourselves. Ariel Winters is coming.
 
2014-04-07 03:45:16 AM  
A suicide cluster centered around Bloomberg terminals. I tell people that too much information kills.
 
2014-04-07 03:46:47 AM  
buzzgoat:
There may be a growing threat that these high level types do know of, but I doubt it.

What possible situation could come about where bankers would be threatened? They have the modern Mandate of Heaven
 
2014-04-07 03:52:50 AM  

Triumph: 1 - William Broeksmit, 58-year-old former senior executive at Deutsche Bank AG, was found dead in his home after an apparent suicide in South Kensington in central London, on January 26th.
2 - Karl Slym, 51 year old Tata Motors managing director Karl Slym, was found dead on the fourth floor of the Shangri-La hotel in Bangkok on January 27th.
3 - Gabriel Magee, a 39-year-old JP Morgan employee, died after falling from the roof of the JP Morgan European headquarters in London on January 27th.
4 - Mike Dueker, 50-year-old chief economist of a US investment bank was found dead close to the Tacoma Narrows Bridge in Washington State.
5 - Richard Talley, the 57 year old founder of American Title Services in Centennial, Colorado, was found dead earlier this month after apparently shooting himself with a nail gun.
6 - Tim Dickenson, a U.K.-based communications director at Swiss Re AG, also died last month, however the circumstances surrounding his death are still unknown.
7 - Ryan Henry Crane, a 37 year old executive at JP Morgan died in an alleged suicide just a few weeks ago.  No details have been released about his death aside from this small obituary announcement at the Stamford Daily Voice.
8 - Li Junjie, 33-year-old banker in Hong Kong jumped from the JP Morgan HQ in Hong Kong this week.
9 - James Stuart Jr,Former National Bank of Commerce CEO, found dead in Scottsdale, Ariz., the morning of Feb. 19. A family spokesman did not say whatcaused the death
10 - Edmund (Eddie) Reilly, 47,a trader at Midtown's Vertical Group, commited suicide by jumping in front of LIRR train
11 - Kenneth Bellando, 28, a trader at Levy Capital, formerly investment banking analyst at JPMorgan, jumped to his death from his 6th floor East Side apartment.
12 - Jan Peter Schmittmann, 57, the former CEO of Dutch bank ABN Amro found dead at home near Amsterdam with wife and daughter.

 The Cluster Effect


KARL SLYM???

Man, I'd kill myself too.
 
2014-04-07 03:56:57 AM  
fionagrowsfood.files.wordpress.com
 
2014-04-07 04:01:25 AM  

God-is-a-Taco: buzzgoat:
There may be a growing threat that these high level types do know of, but I doubt it.

What possible situation could come about where bankers would be threatened? They have the modern Mandate of Heaven



Not sure if serious.jpg

Think about it, we KNOW all of the worlds economies are intertwined beyond anything ever in the past, one colapse could lead to total world crisis. It sounds like a scare tactic or something from an apocoliptic thriller, however, if the EU colapsed, all trade would cease, even a 3 day blip in the economy could have repercussions that were life changing. These people are working with our lives in their hands everyday. As http://www.fark.com/users/Revmachine21" target="_blank">Revmachine21  said, thestress daily is enough to cause a person (that I assume) would have no reason to contemplate suicide to think of it as a way out. If you KNEW for certain that you had done something that would haunt you for the rest of your days, many people would choose to go out on "their terms" rather than try to live through what ever they created.

This "Mandate of Heaven" I've never heard of. And studies have shown outright that the more educated you are the more likely you are to be an atheist, and not beleive in heaven. But they would be able to see Hell on Earth.

But, this is all speculation. Just thinking through my fingers as it were.
 
2014-04-07 04:02:43 AM  
Oops, http://www.fark.com/users/Revmachine21" target="_blank">Revmachine21 was supposed to be

Revmachine21.
 
2014-04-07 04:04:25 AM  

Triumph: 1 - William Broeksmit, 58-year-old former senior executive at Deutsche Bank AG, was found dead in his home after an apparent suicide in South Kensington in central London, on January 26th.
2 - Karl Slym, 51 year old Tata Motors managing director Karl Slym, was found dead on the fourth floor of the Shangri-La hotel in Bangkok on January 27th.
3 - Gabriel Magee, a 39-year-old JP Morgan employee, died after falling from the roof of the JP Morgan European headquarters in London on January 27th.
4 - Mike Dueker, 50-year-old chief economist of a US investment bank was found dead close to the Tacoma Narrows Bridge in Washington State.
5 - Richard Talley, the 57 year old founder of American Title Services in Centennial, Colorado, was found dead earlier this month after apparently shooting himself with a nail gun.
6 - Tim Dickenson, a U.K.-based communications director at Swiss Re AG, also died last month, however the circumstances surrounding his death are still unknown.
7 - Ryan Henry Crane, a 37 year old executive at JP Morgan died in an alleged suicide just a few weeks ago.  No details have been released about his death aside from this small obituary announcement at the Stamford Daily Voice.
8 - Li Junjie, 33-year-old banker in Hong Kong jumped from the JP Morgan HQ in Hong Kong this week.
9 - James Stuart Jr,Former National Bank of Commerce CEO, found dead in Scottsdale, Ariz., the morning of Feb. 19. A family spokesman did not say whatcaused the death
10 - Edmund (Eddie) Reilly, 47,a trader at Midtown's Vertical Group, commited suicide by jumping in front of LIRR train
11 - Kenneth Bellando, 28, a trader at Levy Capital, formerly investment banking analyst at JPMorgan, jumped to his death from his 6th floor East Side apartment.
12 - Jan Peter Schmittmann, 57, the former CEO of Dutch bank ABN Amro found dead at home near Amsterdam with wife and daughter.

 The Cluster Effect


A nail gun? Jumping from the 6TH floor?

Did they have shares in a company that profits off the severely maimed?
 
2014-04-07 04:04:36 AM  

Peter von Nostrand: doglover: I stand corrected, quite a few jumps abroad.

They must know something we soon will.

Eh, looks like a pretty random list to me


If I was going to kill off all the bankers who refused to accept the control of the Illuminati, I'd have my reptilian assassins make it look like a random list of people whose only connection was at one time holding a position in a financial company dying of both natural causes and unrelated suicides and misadventures in many different nations over a long period of time. It's just good sense, right? Right? Anyone? Beuler?

www.geek-art.net
 
2014-04-07 04:09:16 AM  

buzzgoat: But, this is all speculation. Just thinking through my fingers as it were.


Leave the thinking to your head.

Nobody can figure out anything anymore due to ever increasing complexity.
Assuming that the lemmings were in the know is tin-foil worthy.

More likely, the suiciders are just realizing that they've done shiatty things and can't cope anymore.
Just like how old people can sometimes survive the winter, but come spring they croak.

It's often when things start to look a little better, that we realize what a toll a crisis has had on us.
Like getting sick on the same day your vacation starts.
 
2014-04-07 04:14:48 AM  
 
2014-04-07 04:17:24 AM  

Public Savant: buzzgoat: But, this is all speculation. Just thinking through my fingers as it were.

Leave the thinking to your head.

Nobody can figure out anything anymore due to ever increasing complexity.
Assuming that the lemmings were in the know is tin-foil worthy.

More likely, the suiciders are just realizing that they've done shiatty things and can't cope anymore.
Just like how old people can sometimes survive the winter, but come spring they croak.

It's often when things start to look a little better, that we realize what a toll a crisis has had on us.
Like getting sick on the same day your vacation starts.



I think we are the lemmings, the politicians, bankers and people that are in the "know" are building the cliff.

(WOW, that does sound crazy)

I just like to think, and I hope you're right. I like living on this planet most days.
I also try to plan for the worst and hope for the best. No tin-foil required, it is handy to keep the potatoes from getting burned in the coals though...
 
2014-04-07 04:27:47 AM  
Subby, if history is any indicator, and I think it is, then there is no one event, no "storm," that will end one system, one group, one nation state. This is not Middle Earth, but Earth. I know people would rather enjoy clear-cut enemies and evil targets, but that is not our reality. We do not suffer from social events that behave as weather events. We never have. Rome's end, civil rights, the Arab Spring are not measured in time, those convenient hours, but in endurance.

If there is an assassin roaming the world and killing bank executives, and this is the advent of a global revolution, your "storm," it likely started years ago and our children will not see it through. I know your desire, though, we want to see it all, complete, in one fell swoop.
 
2014-04-07 04:33:01 AM  
Did anyone say aliens yet? Because it's totally aliens.
 
2014-04-07 04:54:55 AM  
Finished watching all 31 episodes of Game of Thrones. Then I read this thread. Then I see the winter is coming post. Damn.

/ Hodor
 
2014-04-07 04:55:10 AM  

Bizarro: Did anyone say aliens yet? Because it's totally aliens.


Myan, Indian (dots not feathers), or Area 51 type? Or a conglomeration thereof?

Maybe Alien VS Predator, yeah, yeah that's the ticket!
 
2014-04-07 04:59:35 AM  
What are the statistics for suicides for guys like this?  If these deaths represent a sudden upswing, maybe it bears watching.  I dunno, mostly I guess I just think some kind of conspiracy would be exciting.  Not that I want people to die, but if they're going to anyway it might as well be entertaining.
 
2014-04-07 05:02:20 AM  
These guys are faking their own deaths so they can move to Mars before the comet hits us!
 
2014-04-07 05:10:48 AM  

Revmachine21: Worked in both domestic and international finance here and abroad. I spent 2007-2011 really trying not to jump off a bridge next to my apartment. Had a hard time watching so many people laid off, the markets so farked up because of greedy bastards, clients and innocent people ruined. I know that my job was just "normal" stressful for the industry. Many of the guys listed in by Farker Triumph were in the bleeding edge of priority juggling. I can't tell you the number of times I was on the receiving end of of bullshiat from those types. The shiat flows downward.

I've spent the last 2-3 years piecing my head together and I'm only finally starting to feel somewhat human. I try to sleep and many days, the moment I drift off, I wake up feeling like I'm having a heart attack. I'm not. Permanently lost the ability to digest certain foods, but who really needs to eat brussels sprouts?


So they come out the other end with some bitemarks and nothing more?
 
2014-04-07 05:12:27 AM  
thesecretliberalagenda.com
 
2014-04-07 05:17:51 AM  

JonnyBGoode: [fionagrowsfood.files.wordpress.com image 789x573]


fc05.deviantart.net
 
2014-04-07 05:21:49 AM  
Huh. Maybe just some Honor amongst Thieves. Pimples on the ass of humanity, most.

/Karma
//Worked for Primary Dealer in Treasuries
///Owned my own clearing firm at Stock Exchange
 
v15
2014-04-07 05:23:13 AM  
Jews pick these high stress jobs and when markets collapse they do crazy things like build concentration camps and gas themselves.
 
2014-04-07 05:30:19 AM  
Psychopath enough to elbow his way to the top of a bank. Psychopath enough to kill his innocent wife and daughter.
 
2014-04-07 05:34:35 AM  
Guess you have to be Rich to have even heard of most of those companies. JP Morgan I've heard of, wasn't she an actress who used to be on "The Match Game"?
 
2014-04-07 05:35:51 AM  

v15: Jews pick these high stress jobs and when markets collapse they do crazy things like build concentration camps and gas themselves.


scontent-a.xx.fbcdn.net
 
2014-04-07 05:36:33 AM  

Fart_Machine: So by "family tragedy" are we talking murder/suicide or someone left the oven on.


In Dutch media it usually means the former.

And regardless of what scumbags these bankers may or may not be, if a parent killing their spouse and children and themselves makes you feel better, there's something quite wrong with you.

/not directed at you, Fart_Machine
 
2014-04-07 05:43:54 AM  

buzzgoat: God-is-a-Taco: buzzgoat:

 Not sure if serious.jpg


I want to visit your world where the rich and powerful suffer for their mistakes instead of it being pushed onto the pooe and downtrodden.
Anyway, I was being theatrical and referenced this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandate_of_heaven for extra effect.
You don't touch the banks.
 
2014-04-07 05:58:21 AM  
TFA: were found dead at their home yesterday after a possible "family tragedy,"

As opposed to their neighbors, who were all found dead after a "family hoedown"
 
2014-04-07 06:09:21 AM  
Too bad..would have been a happy story if he didn't punctuate the end of his existence with the murder of two innocents.

If the Pistorius saga has taught me anything, it's only a tragedy if they were hawt.

/dnrtfa
 
2014-04-07 06:12:00 AM  

danielscissorhands: Triumph: 1 - William Broeksmit, 58-year-old former senior executive at Deutsche Bank AG, was found dead in his home after an apparent suicide in South Kensington in central London, on January 26th.
2 - Karl Slym, 51 year old Tata Motors managing director Karl Slym, was found dead on the fourth floor of the Shangri-La hotel in Bangkok on January 27th.
3 - Gabriel Magee, a 39-year-old JP Morgan employee, died after falling from the roof of the JP Morgan European headquarters in London on January 27th.
4 - Mike Dueker, 50-year-old chief economist of a US investment bank was found dead close to the Tacoma Narrows Bridge in Washington State.
5 - Richard Talley, the 57 year old founder of American Title Services in Centennial, Colorado, was found dead earlier this month after apparently shooting himself with a nail gun.
6 - Tim Dickenson, a U.K.-based communications director at Swiss Re AG, also died last month, however the circumstances surrounding his death are still unknown.
7 - Ryan Henry Crane, a 37 year old executive at JP Morgan died in an alleged suicide just a few weeks ago.  No details have been released about his death aside from this small obituary announcement at the Stamford Daily Voice.
8 - Li Junjie, 33-year-old banker in Hong Kong jumped from the JP Morgan HQ in Hong Kong this week.
9 - James Stuart Jr,Former National Bank of Commerce CEO, found dead in Scottsdale, Ariz., the morning of Feb. 19. A family spokesman did not say whatcaused the death
10 - Edmund (Eddie) Reilly, 47,a trader at Midtown's Vertical Group, commited suicide by jumping in front of LIRR train
11 - Kenneth Bellando, 28, a trader at Levy Capital, formerly investment banking analyst at JPMorgan, jumped to his death from his 6th floor East Side apartment.
12 - Jan Peter Schmittmann, 57, the former CEO of Dutch bank ABN Amro found dead at home near Amsterdam with wife and daughter.

 The Cluster Effect

A nail gun? Jumping from the 6TH floor?

Did they have shares in a company that profits off the severely maimed?


Finance doesn't really require that much intelligence. It's salesmanship.
 
2014-04-07 06:16:22 AM  

doglover: I stand corrected, quite a few jumps abroad.

They must know something we soon will.


You jumped to conclusions.
 
2014-04-07 06:19:13 AM  

doglover: fusillade762: When we said "Jump, you farkers" we didn't mean take your families with you.

I don't think any of them actually jumped from anything, did they?


No. They're too big to fall.
 
2014-04-07 06:20:11 AM  

Revmachine21: Worked in both domestic and international finance here and abroad. I spent 2007-2011 really trying not to jump off a bridge next to my apartment. Had a hard time watching so many people laid off, the markets so farked up because of greedy bastards, clients and innocent people ruined. I know that my job was just "normal" stressful for the industry. Many of the guys listed in by Farker Triumph were in the bleeding edge of priority juggling. I can't tell you the number of times I was on the receiving end of of bullshiat from those types. The shiat flows downward.

I've spent the last 2-3 years piecing my head together and I'm only finally starting to feel somewhat human. I try to sleep and many days, the moment I drift off, I wake up feeling like I'm having a heart attack. I'm not. Permanently lost the ability to digest certain foods, but who really needs to eat brussels sprouts?


You'll get no sympathy from me.

You sound like a mid-level heroin dealer crying about how bad you feel for the lives and families destroyed with the drug you pushed.
 
2014-04-07 06:26:31 AM  
Note to self:  Do not accept any job offers from JPM.
 
2014-04-07 06:27:30 AM  
August11:  If there is an assassin roaming the world and killing bank executives, and this is the advent of a global revolution, your "storm," it likely started years ago and our children will not see it through. I know your desire, though, we want to see it all, complete, in one fell swoop.

It's quite the opposite of a "people's" revolution.  A few may be legitimate suicides, but largely these guys weren't playing ball.  A bunch of mid-level JFKs, so to speak, only with better plausible deniability.  (Except for the flagrant nailgun incident; anyone who believes that was suicide is a sucker, and that's putting it kindly.)
 
2014-04-07 06:31:41 AM  

God-is-a-Taco: buzzgoat: God-is-a-Taco: buzzgoat:
 Not sure if serious.jpg


I want to visit your world where the rich and powerful suffer for their mistakes instead of it being pushed onto the pooe and downtrodden.
Anyway, I was being theatrical and referenced this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandate_of_heaven for extra effect.
You don't touch the banks.


So that's like the Asian "Ordained by God" of the middle ages in the EU, I get it. Still doesn't exist.

And we all "touch the banks" If you have a retirement acount, you're invested in all the "bad" things, oil, war, income inequality, etc..

I think coruption is the third occupation to exist.
1. Farming (to eat and then to make money)
2. Prostitution ( to make money without farming)
3. Coruption ( to take money that you neither had to farm or fark for)
 
2014-04-07 06:41:04 AM  

CoonAce: August11:  If there is an assassin roaming the world and killing bank executives, and this is the advent of a global revolution, your "storm," it likely started years ago and our children will not see it through. I know your desire, though, we want to see it all, complete, in one fell swoop.

It's quite the opposite of a "people's" revolution.  A few may be legitimate suicides, but largely these guys weren't playing ball.  A bunch of mid-level JFKs, so to speak, only with better plausible deniability.  (Except for the flagrant nailgun incident; anyone who believes that was suicide is a sucker, and that's putting it kindly.)


Interesting. By "playing ball," you mean they were not adhering to internal policies? I'm not surprised they have a weaponed arm of the organization.
 
2014-04-07 06:48:29 AM  
To expound on my last reply, I guess that we can all be seen as the coruptors in the sense that we are working to get more "things". These things are by our own measure more valuable than the service that we provide, and thus we sell our abilities as a comodity to procure these things, ie: I'll give you x number of hours of my ability in exchange for something that would take me more that x number of hours to produce for myself.

How this applies to a number of deaths that may look suspicious, I'm not sure, just putting my thoughts out there to help explain my words.

Wether or not there is some underlying connection, I doubt that anyone will ever know. I have accidently shot myself in the fingertip with a nailgun before, and I can tell you 7 times would be a very painful thing and given that if a man were determined to off himself, keeping the garage closed with a running car would have been a much more merciful and painless way to get the job done.
 
2014-04-07 06:49:40 AM  

Triumph: 1 - William Broeksmit, 58-year-old former senior executive at Deutsche Bank AG, was found dead in his home after an apparent suicide in South Kensington in central London, on January 26th.
2 - Karl Slym, 51 year old Tata Motors managing director Karl Slym, was found dead on the fourth floor of the Shangri-La hotel in Bangkok on January 27th.
3 - Gabriel Magee, a 39-year-old JP Morgan employee, died after falling from the roof of the JP Morgan European headquarters in London on January 27th.
4 - Mike Dueker, 50-year-old chief economist of a US investment bank was found dead close to the Tacoma Narrows Bridge in Washington State.
5 - Richard Talley, the 57 year old founder of American Title Services in Centennial, Colorado, was found dead earlier this month after apparently shooting himself with a nail gun.
6 - Tim Dickenson, a U.K.-based communications director at Swiss Re AG, also died last month, however the circumstances surrounding his death are still unknown.
7 - Ryan Henry Crane, a 37 year old executive at JP Morgan died in an alleged suicide just a few weeks ago.  No details have been released about his death aside from this small obituary announcement at the Stamford Daily Voice.
8 - Li Junjie, 33-year-old banker in Hong Kong jumped from the JP Morgan HQ in Hong Kong this week.
9 - James Stuart Jr,Former National Bank of Commerce CEO, found dead in Scottsdale, Ariz., the morning of Feb. 19. A family spokesman did not say whatcaused the death
10 - Edmund (Eddie) Reilly, 47,a trader at Midtown's Vertical Group, commited suicide by jumping in front of LIRR train
11 - Kenneth Bellando, 28, a trader at Levy Capital, formerly investment banking analyst at JPMorgan, jumped to his death from his 6th floor East Side apartment.
12 - Jan Peter Schmittmann, 57, the former CEO of Dutch bank ABN Amro found dead at home near Amsterdam with wife and daughter.

 The Cluster Effect


A nail gun, eh?  Sounds like Agent 47 got a little sloppy with one.
 
2014-04-07 06:55:06 AM  

fusillade762: When we said "Jump, you farkers" we didn't mean take your families with you.


Speak for yourself.
 
2014-04-07 07:01:12 AM  

Public Savant: More likely, the suiciders are just realizing that they've done shiatty things and can't cope anymore.


Its been my experience with people who do evil for a living that they don't suddenly grow a conscience.
Half the time they don't even believe what they're doing is wrong. They feel entitled to abuse the system and think nothing about converting their friends and neighbors into piles of cash and power. If they felt a twinge of guilt they'd buy a new lamborghini or three and move past it.

The real answer is probably stress.  Markets are more complex, technology has increased the pressure to perform, and there are more sharks in the water.  People get overwhelmed just trying to keep up with it all, but they're also so greedy that they don't realize its time to move on with their careers.


Occam's razor aside: The conspiracy theorist in me suspect its because they see the world changing.
America is slowly going strange. All that NSA and drone stuff is being turned against us. Our economy is still fragile with another credit crunch is probably due soon. The world itself looks to go back into cold war mode. If the major powers start to falter then the likes of Russia won't sit still, and nations who play money games (like china) will find their houses of cards falling apart. We've also made a mess of our environment and left no escape route for future generations.
This is a recipe to generate alot of angry people as prices rise and stomachs start to grumble.  Bank heads make a ready target for our frustrations and they know it.   Without a place to run, for them its like being trapped in the ultimate zombie scenario when your neighbors come knocking with knives in their hands. Except there'll be no place to run away to and no bunker deep enough to hide in.

The money men are looking at a choice between poverty, prison, or being shoved up against a wall by some angry militia.
I think what would make a power hungry Type-A sociopath punch his own ticket before the big show is the realization that they're going to lose the one thing they love the most.... Control over their own lives.

They probably don't feel any guilt for what they've done, but that doesn't mean they wouldn't fear the public response to it.
Given a choice between the executioners noose or one tied by their own hand, leaving while at the top of their game may seem preferable.
 
2014-04-07 07:05:23 AM  
So.... Everyone here is going to burn their 401k's, I hope. You know, solidarity and stuff that banking and investing is evil. EVIL....

Because if you don't... perhaps you're just as bad as the people you hate so much.

www.drfunkenberry.com

After all... you're feeding them.
 
2014-04-07 07:13:16 AM  
Until families got involved, I was happy to believe that it was some guy shoving people out of windows. The Defenestrator if you will.
 
2014-04-07 07:15:45 AM  
So he was a banker until 5 - 6 years ago?  This is serious.
 
2014-04-07 07:18:50 AM  

SDRR: fusillade762: When we said "Jump, you farkers" we didn't mean take your families with you.

Speak for yourself.


The son should suffer for the father's sins, and all that?
 
2014-04-07 07:21:07 AM  

Ilmarinen: Fart_Machine: So by "family tragedy" are we talking murder/suicide or someone left the oven on.

In Dutch media it usually means the former.

And regardless of what scumbags these bankers may or may not be, if a parent killing their spouse and children and themselves makes you feel better, there's something quite wrong with you.

/not directed at you, Fart_Machine


Didn't you know?

On FARK, compassion is for the weak.

On FARK, one revels and delights in the misery of one that has been deemed to have been a 1%er.

On FARK, the only victory is to crush your enemies and to hear the Lamentations of their women.
 
2014-04-07 07:22:21 AM  
It's a viscious cycle. We all feel the need to do what is expected of us, myself included. Go to work, make money, spend money, above all be good little consumers. Because if we don't, THE WORLD WILL END!!

No, no it won't. We might find out that we have screwed  the world up to the point where we can no longer live on it, but it will continue on without us. IF (really big IF) there is something going on in the world, some people will know before the rest of us. It takes a long time for information to spread, and in these days of the internet, much of the information is regarded as a possible hoax, so if I were to say "there was just a wreck outside my house and there is atomic contamination spreading" then most people would rightfully wait to hear it from a more reputable source. And the larger the threat, the more confirmation would be demanded.

The finacial sector is just like this, but worse. Think about anytime that you may have been layed off, most of the time there are rumors, then fear, then anger. maybe you do get the ax, but you didn't beleive it until the next day, there must be a mistake... etc.

Humans in general are optomists, we have to be, otherwise we would never have trusted enough in each other to have lived in the same cave, let alone sleep in the same cave, ate food that others have given us, or go out and explore more than what we could see from the entrance to that cave. Therefore we prefer not to listen to bad news the first time, especially when it is bad news.
 
2014-04-07 07:29:23 AM  
Ilmarinen:

And regardless of what scumbags these bankers may or may not be, if a parent killing their spouse and children and themselves makes you feel better, there's something quite wrong with you.

The apple doesn't fall far from the tree. It's an unpleasant thought, but let's tie up all loose ends, just to make sure.
 
2014-04-07 07:37:10 AM  

Ilmarinen: And regardless of what scumbags these bankers may or may not be, if a parent killing their spouse and children and themselves makes you feel better, there's something quite wrong with you.


Why? I didn't choose their profession, their spouse, their breeding habits, or their involvement in whatever got their family killed. If the people involved didn't care about their families, why should I?
 
2014-04-07 07:42:05 AM  

untaken_name: Why? I didn't choose their profession, their spouse, their breeding habits, or their involvement in whatever got their family killed. If the people involved didn't care about their families, why should I?


Compassion.
 
2014-04-07 07:44:15 AM  

Public Savant: buzzgoat: But, this is all speculation. Just thinking through my fingers as it were.

Leave the thinking to your head.

Nobody can figure out anything anymore due to ever increasing complexity.
Assuming that the lemmings were in the know is tin-foil worthy.

More likely, the suiciders are just realizing that they've done shiatty things and can't cope anymore.
Just like how old people can sometimes survive the winter, but come spring they croak.

It's often when things start to look a little better, that we realize what a toll a crisis has had on us.
Like getting sick on the same day your vacation starts.


I was thinking more that they spent more than they can afford based on future income. Now that some sectors of banking are I shiatty shape (and because all banks are "cutting costs") their incomes aren't rising as fast as they'd anticipated and they can't face the shame of having people know the truth.
 
2014-04-07 07:48:16 AM  

jaybeezey: Ilmarinen: Fart_Machine: So by "family tragedy" are we talking murder/suicide or someone left the oven on.

In Dutch media it usually means the former.

And regardless of what scumbags these bankers may or may not be, if a parent killing their spouse and children and themselves makes you feel better, there's something quite wrong with you.

/not directed at you, Fart_Machine

Didn't you know?

On FARK, compassion is for the weak.

On FARK, one revels and delights in the misery of one that has been deemed to have been a 1%er.

On FARK, the only victory is to crush your enemies and to hear the Lamentations of their women.


25.media.tumblr.com
 
2014-04-07 07:48:28 AM  

buzzgoat: It's a viscious cycle. We all feel the need to do what is expected of us, myself included. Go to work, make money, spend money, above all be good little consumers. Because if we don't, THE WORLD WILL END!!

No, no it won't. We might find out that we have screwed  the world up to the point where we can no longer live on it, but it will continue on without us. IF (really big IF) there is something going on in the world, some people will know before the rest of us. It takes a long time for information to spread, and in these days of the internet, much of the information is regarded as a possible hoax, so if I were to say "there was just a wreck outside my house and there is atomic contamination spreading" then most people would rightfully wait to hear it from a more reputable source. And the larger the threat, the more confirmation would be demanded.

The finacial sector is just like this, but worse. Think about anytime that you may have been layed off, most of the time there are rumors, then fear, then anger. maybe you do get the ax, but you didn't beleive it until the next day, there must be a mistake... etc.

Humans in general are optomists, we have to be, otherwise we would never have trusted enough in each other to have lived in the same cave, let alone sleep in the same cave, ate food that others have given us, or go out and explore more than what we could see from the entrance to that cave. Therefore we prefer not to listen to bad news the first time, especially when it is bad news.


It is a viscious cycle, but one that's fairly impossible to break without a large scale uprising.  I have to go to work and make money not to be a "good little consumer" but rather to feed myself and those I provide for, and ensure we have shelter.  I could quit my job, and stop going to work, but then I couldn't pay my rent, or buy food.  And since we've explored the whole world, I can't just head out to someplace new and find a patch of land and build my own shelter and start growing my own food, because all the land is already owned by somebody.  So either we work within the system to improve things as much as we can, or we destroy the entire system, do away with the concept of property and ownership, and figure out a completely new way to organize human society.
 
2014-04-07 07:54:57 AM  
#5 used a nail gun - classy.  He probably used a whole rack of baseboard mold brads.
 
2014-04-07 07:56:13 AM  

Destructor: untaken_name: Why? I didn't choose their profession, their spouse, their breeding habits, or their involvement in whatever got their family killed. If the people involved didn't care about their families, why should I?

Compassion.


I find my compassion lacking for the trust fund kiddies living off the spoils their daddies made wrecking the global economy.
 
2014-04-07 08:01:57 AM  
A storm or an inevitable episode of CSI. I called it!
 
2014-04-07 08:03:15 AM  

Destructor: untaken_name: Why? I didn't choose their profession, their spouse, their breeding habits, or their involvement in whatever got their family killed. If the people involved didn't care about their families, why should I?

Compassion.


You want me to have compassion for the profession responsible for ruining almost as many lives as the prison industry? You reap what you sow, and I didn't sow their destruction. They did. Why have compassion for them but not the millions of families who've lost their homes? Oh, right, they're more important than all those worthless poor they destroyed because they're rich. fark your compassion.
 
2014-04-07 08:03:16 AM  

cherryl taggart: Note to self:  Do not accept any job offers from JPM.


They should put a diving board on the roof and score them for form.  Extra points awarded if they land on another thief.
 
2014-04-07 08:05:08 AM  
Jorn the Younger:

It is a viscious cycle, but one that's fairly impossible to break without a large scale uprising.  I have to go to work and make money not to be a "good little consumer" but rather to feed myself and those I provide for, and ensure we have shelter.

You are preaching to the choir. I know and feel that frustration, I'm just trying to say that the system is broken, and these suspicious deaths may be a fore shadowing of a larger event.

BUT probably not.

The truth is that we will never know until it is too late. Just as we are now learning from scientists that we probably already passed the point of no return with the climate long before we even thought about doing anything about it.

I'm a conservationist, not the hippy type who wants you to wipe with leaves and live in a commune, but the type that goes into the forest and is depressed by the trash left by my fellow woodsmen. I want the forest to be there for the next generation, but I still live in a wood house, use tooth picks, and write on paper. I just hope that there is a way that we collectively can pull our heads out of our asses and figure some of these things out. BUT probably not.

Optomisim is a wonderful thing, until it kills you.
 
2014-04-07 08:05:22 AM  
s2.quickmeme.com
 
2014-04-07 08:06:13 AM  

buzzgoat: given that if a man were determined to off himself, keeping the garage closed with a running car would have been a much more merciful and painless way to get the job done.


Supposedly with modern cars with catalytic converters, that's a lot harder to pull off these days, because the CO output is negligible...
 
2014-04-07 08:06:27 AM  
1.bp.blogspot.com
our storm.
 
2014-04-07 08:08:39 AM  

wesmon: I find my compassion lacking for the trust fund kiddies living off the spoils their daddies made wrecking the global economy.


Well, maybe you're right. Maybe the whole family is no damned good.

Then again, maybe you're wrong. I don't know who these bankers are. For all I know, they just fought a losing battle against the forces of banking darkness and were forced to kill themselves for the sake of their families, "or else".

Bankers and banking isn't evil. It serves a useful purpose in society. Sure, there have been many terrible abuses and lots of wreckage. But this "hang 'em all" mentality is really dangerous.
 
2014-04-07 08:12:04 AM  

Peter von Nostrand: doglover: I stand corrected, quite a few jumps abroad.

They must know something we soon will.

Eh, looks like a pretty random list to me


I don't know; lots of JP Morgan staff on that list. If it's a complete list of Financial suicides this year I'd say something must stink over at JPM.
 
2014-04-07 08:12:41 AM  

Destructor: Bankers and banking isn't evil. It serves a useful purpose in society.


Yes, they are. No, not really.

/now that we've covered all the evidence...
 
2014-04-07 08:13:01 AM  
A good start, but just not enough of them yet. I want to be able to see piles of banksters piled so high that you could climb up on them like a pyramid to the top floor so you can toss a Molotov into the CEO's offices.
 
2014-04-07 08:18:43 AM  

untaken_name: You want me to have compassion for the profession responsible for ruining almost as many lives as the prison industry? You reap what you sow, and I didn't sow their destruction. They did. Why have compassion for them but not the millions of families who've lost their homes? Oh, right, they're more important than all those worthless poor they destroyed because they're rich. fark your compassion.


Yes. It starts with that.

Sure, punish the evil doers. But you better well make damned sure you got the right evil doer. Our justice system (sigh... at one time) was built on the idea that it was better to free 10 guilty men than to punish one innocent man.

What makes these men guilty? That they killed themselves and therefore they are evil? You don't know... or do you?
 
2014-04-07 08:19:06 AM  

way south: The money men are looking at a choice between poverty, prison, or being shoved up against a wall by some angry militia.
I think what would make a power hungry Type-A sociopath punch his own ticket before the big show is the realization that they're going to lose the one thing they love the most.... Control over their own lives.


Interesting analysis....I bet they fear "poverty" more than those other 2 paths...( more ego-damaging)
 
2014-04-07 08:19:35 AM  

RobSeace: buzzgoat: given that if a man were determined to off himself, keeping the garage closed with a running car would have been a much more merciful and painless way to get the job done.

Supposedly with modern cars with catalytic converters, that's a lot harder to pull off these days, because the CO output is negligible...


The CO is much lower, but with out an outside source of fresh air, the O2 would be depleted just the same.
 
2014-04-07 08:23:39 AM  

Heron: I don't know; lots of JP Morgan staff on that list. If it's a complete list of Financial suicides this year I'd say something must stink over at JPM.


Poor earnings predictions, LIBOR and Forex investigations and a killing of the weak that's been brutal even by their usual standards. Other than that everything's peachy!

/ex JPM-C
//never quite suicidal while there
///quite...
 
2014-04-07 08:25:37 AM  

Destructor: untaken_name: You want me to have compassion for the profession responsible for ruining almost as many lives as the prison industry? You reap what you sow, and I didn't sow their destruction. They did. Why have compassion for them but not the millions of families who've lost their homes? Oh, right, they're more important than all those worthless poor they destroyed because they're rich. fark your compassion.

Yes. It starts with that.

Sure, punish the evil doers. But you better well make damned sure you got the right evil doer. Our justice system (sigh... at one time) was built on the idea that it was better to free 10 guilty men than to punish one innocent man.

What makes these men guilty? That they killed themselves and therefore they are evil? You don't know... or do you?


The same thing that makes me unsympathetic to Mafia members who are "whacked". They are a part of a fundamentally criminal enterprise and they deserve everything they get and more just for that.
 
2014-04-07 08:29:28 AM  

CoonAce: August11:  If there is an assassin roaming the world and killing bank executives, and this is the advent of a global revolution, your "storm," it likely started years ago and our children will not see it through. I know your desire, though, we want to see it all, complete, in one fell swoop.

It's quite the opposite of a "people's" revolution.  A few may be legitimate suicides, but largely these guys weren't playing ball.  A bunch of mid-level JFKs, so to speak, only with better plausible deniability.  (Except for the flagrant nailgun incident; anyone who believes that was suicide is a sucker, and that's putting it kindly.)


Contrary to popular belief, a belief deliberately cultivated by his PR team before and after his death, JFK was not some moral rebel against the iniquities of US society. I could perhaps believe him assassinated for his stupidity if the evidence didn't so strongly point to his death coming at the hands of a troubled political radical operating on his own, but the idea that some shadowy conspiracy of governmental and criminal Powers had him bumped off because he wouldn't "play ball" when it was HE would caused the Cuban Missile Crisis through his belligerence and uncritical acceptance of Pentagon/CIA/FBI analytical paranoia, and HE who escalated our military involvement in Vietnam painting LBJ into a corner regarding how to handle the situation, and HE who took the first tentative steps towards finacializing US elections and government is simply ludicrous.
 
2014-04-07 08:30:38 AM  

untaken_name: The same thing that makes me unsympathetic to Mafia members who are "whacked". They are a part of a fundamentally criminal enterprise and they deserve everything they get and more just for that.


I see.

Well, I hope you won't taint yourself with credit cards, mortgages, loans, direct deposit, any kind of investment vehicle, or even a checking account. Just keep your money under your mattress. Otherwise, your complicit in Big Banking.
 
2014-04-07 08:35:04 AM  

Destructor: untaken_name: The same thing that makes me unsympathetic to Mafia members who are "whacked". They are a part of a fundamentally criminal enterprise and they deserve everything they get and more just for that.

I see.

Well, I hope you won't taint yourself with credit cards, mortgages, loans, direct deposit, any kind of investment vehicle, or even a checking account. Just keep your money under your mattress. Otherwise, your you're complicit in Big Banking.


Correct. Although there are better places than banks or mattresses in which to save wealth. But you wouldn't want to hear about anything like that, since it might challenge your worldview. I don't deal in usury nor any industry associated with usury. You do what you want, just don't expect me to have compassion for thieves, liars, and cheats.
 
2014-04-07 08:35:52 AM  

way south: The money men are looking at a choice between poverty, prison, or being shoved up against a wall by some angry militia.


Dream on. Money owns politics and the media. Politics controls force and the media directs both politics and public opinion. Short of a full-scale revolution the position of the wealthy in developed countries is as secure as it's ever been.
 
2014-04-07 08:36:25 AM  

buzzgoat: RobSeace: buzzgoat: given that if a man were determined to off himself, keeping the garage closed with a running car would have been a much more merciful and painless way to get the job done.

Supposedly with modern cars with catalytic converters, that's a lot harder to pull off these days, because the CO output is negligible...

The CO is much lower, but with out an outside source of fresh air, the O2 would be depleted just the same.


And, if your garage were sealed completely airtight, that might mean something... But, I suspect most garages are a bit less hermetically sealed...
 
2014-04-07 08:40:03 AM  
Two months ago, a former minister of health was found murdered at her home. She had a major hand in reforming the Dutch health services to the bureaucratic money devouring monstrosity that it is now. She was also a member of Europhile political party Democrats '66.

I'm not saying the two events are related, but it is a bit of a coincidence.

/Awaits the knock at the door from the data-intercepting and storing entities...
 
2014-04-07 08:42:22 AM  

untaken_name: But you wouldn't want to hear about anything like that, since it might challenge your worldview.


I'd love to hear about it, although I'm going to be desperately disappointed if it turns out you either don't have any wealth or are busy putting it into illiquid assets utterly dependent upon the structures you claim to despise (eg. gold).
 
2014-04-07 08:44:49 AM  

fusillade762: When we said "Jump, you farkers" we didn't mean take your families with you.


Speak for yourself.
 
2014-04-07 08:45:07 AM  

RobSeace: buzzgoat: RobSeace: buzzgoat: given that if a man were determined to off himself, keeping the garage closed with a running car would have been a much more merciful and painless way to get the job done.

Supposedly with modern cars with catalytic converters, that's a lot harder to pull off these days, because the CO output is negligible...

The CO is much lower, but with out an outside source of fresh air, the O2 would be depleted just the same.

And, if your garage were sealed completely airtight, that might mean something... But, I suspect most garages are a bit less hermetically sealed...


I have a feeling that the consumption of O2 by the engine would out pace a modern garages air leaks. And as most of the exaust constituents are heavier than air (due to the suspended burnt fuel molecules) the engine would continue to purr until the O2 levels were at about 4%. Humans suffer greatly when it drops below 8% and even without the buildup of CO2, NO, CH3 and CO the occupants of said car would fall asleep, then slip away in light headed bliss due to O2 deprevation.
 
2014-04-07 08:47:08 AM  

FarkinNortherner: untaken_name: But you wouldn't want to hear about anything like that, since it might challenge your worldview.

I'd love to hear about it, although I'm going to be desperately disappointed if it turns out you either don't have any wealth or are busy putting it into illiquid assets utterly dependent upon the structures you claim to despise (eg. gold).


If you're truly interested, no, that isn't what I'm talking about. I'm talking about foreign real estate. Not as an investment vehicle in and of itself, but as a platform for wealth creation (viable homestead). Do your own research to find out where, since the things you're interested in might not be the things I'm interested in. Also, non-perishable goods and supplies like dry beans, booze, wheat, toilet paper, clothes, shoes, etc. Better if you can get them locally-produced. I'm also pretty high on Commemorative Elvis plates. Those things are better than gold.
 
2014-04-07 08:48:06 AM  

way south: The money men are looking at a choice between poverty, prison, or being shoved up against a wall by some angry militia.


And all because they did exactly what they were hired to do.

/and after we destroy our civilization to get back at them, the rebuilding process will force us to hire different people to do the exact same things we killed the money men for doing
//because nothing can be built on the foundation of superstition and fanaticism we call "feelings"
///the cash is needed because it's cold and hard, not in spite of it
 
2014-04-07 08:48:40 AM  

fusillade762: When we said "Jump, you farkers" we didn't mean take your families with you.


We didn't?
 
2014-04-07 08:49:21 AM  

untaken_name: FarkinNortherner: untaken_name: But you wouldn't want to hear about anything like that, since it might challenge your worldview.

I'd love to hear about it, although I'm going to be desperately disappointed if it turns out you either don't have any wealth or are busy putting it into illiquid assets utterly dependent upon the structures you claim to despise (eg. gold).

If you're truly interested, no, that isn't what I'm talking about. I'm talking about foreign real estate. Not as an investment vehicle in and of itself, but as a platform for wealth creation (viable homestead). Do your own research to find out where, since the things you're interested in might not be the things I'm interested in. Also, non-perishable goods and supplies like dry beans, booze, wheat, toilet paper, clothes, shoes, etc. Better if you can get them locally-produced. I'm also pretty high on Commemorative Elvis plates. Those things are better than gold.


A preppers dream come true! you can eat off the face of the KING, then when the sh*t hits the fan you can trade 'em for bullets and guns!
 
2014-04-07 08:50:48 AM  

Tatterdemalian: //because nothing can be built on the foundation of superstition and fanaticism we call "feelings"
///the cash is needed because it's cold and hard, not in spite of it


Two points:
1. Civilization predated fractional reserve banking
2. The cash is neither cold nor hard, but imaginary. "Cash" (actually promissory notes, as stated right on them) represents a drop in the bucket of the economy. Not even really worth noticing.
 
2014-04-07 08:51:58 AM  

buzzgoat: A preppers dream come true! you can eat off the face of the KING, then when the sh*t hits the fan you can trade 'em for bullets and guns!


I've already got the plates. What do I need with more bullets and guns? I can already protect the King, and I don't need any more plates. I have enough. Please take me off of your Commemorative Elvis plate mailing list. Thank you.
 
2014-04-07 08:53:45 AM  

untaken_name: Tatterdemalian: //because nothing can be built on the foundation of superstition and fanaticism we call "feelings"
///the cash is needed because it's cold and hard, not in spite of it

Two points:
1. Civilization predated fractional reserve banking
2. The cash is neither cold nor hard, but imaginary. "Cash" (actually promissory notes, as stated right on them) represents a drop in the bucket of the economy. Not even really worth noticing.


That does it, you're now favorited in red 4.

Beer, that's what started civilization, that's all we need.
Well, scotch would be nice too, with 1 ice cube....
 
2014-04-07 08:54:15 AM  

untaken_name: I don't deal in usury nor any industry associated with usury.


Therefore, you must be rich! You're one of them, aren't you! Get'em boys!

www.theamericanbookofthedead.com

Ooops. Did I jump to a conclusion?

untaken_name: might challenge your worldview

 
2014-04-07 08:57:34 AM  

untaken_name: Tatterdemalian: //because nothing can be built on the foundation of superstition and fanaticism we call "feelings"
///the cash is needed because it's cold and hard, not in spite of it

Two points:
1. Civilization predated fractional reserve banking
2. The cash is neither cold nor hard, but imaginary. "Cash" (actually promissory notes, as stated right on them) represents a drop in the bucket of the economy. Not even really worth noticing.


Funny how cash can be both all-important and worthless, depending on what you need it to be to support your argument. But being imaginary doesn't make it harmless, and cash, like law, is actually as cold and hard as the people that enforce its value.

/the problem with the economy isn't that the bankers are too mean, but because they are being forced - literally at gunpoint - to be too nice
//the value of the money, like the rule of law, softens as people try to force it to be kinder than it was ever meant to be
///and, like the new "social justice" replacing actual justice, the end result will be societal collapse, not social progress
 
2014-04-07 09:01:54 AM  

buzzgoat: untaken_name: Tatterdemalian: //because nothing can be built on the foundation of superstition and fanaticism we call "feelings"
///the cash is needed because it's cold and hard, not in spite of it

Two points:
1. Civilization predated fractional reserve banking
2. The cash is neither cold nor hard, but imaginary. "Cash" (actually promissory notes, as stated right on them) represents a drop in the bucket of the economy. Not even really worth noticing.

That does it, you're now favorited in red 4.

Beer, that's what started civilization, that's all we need.
Well, scotch would be nice too, with 1 ice cube....


I have enough beer. Some say too much. What do they know? They're fools, all of them, fools. They called me mad when I dumped my domestic real estate in 2000. They said I was crazy when I cleaned Academy out of ammo in 2008. But by gum I'll show them yet. Maybe I will die alone, but so what? I hate your society anyhow - why would you want to encourage people like me to be a part of it? We'd rather be apart of it. But thanks to the magic of pringles cantennas, we can still post in your world, and be favorited in red. The miracle of modern life! And beer!

www.rolang.com
 
2014-04-07 09:08:46 AM  
Fark em
 
2014-04-07 09:09:39 AM  

Badgers: Two months ago, a former minister of health was found murdered at her home. She had a major hand in reforming the Dutch health services to the bureaucratic money devouring monstrosity that it is now. She was also a member of Europhile political party Democrats '66.

I'm not saying the two events are related, but it is a bit of a coincidence.

/Awaits the knock at the door from the data-intercepting and storing entities...


KNOCK KNOCK

We're here for your liver
 
2014-04-07 09:12:06 AM  

untaken_name: buzzgoat: untaken_name: Tatterdemalian: //because nothing can be built on the foundation of superstition and fanaticism we call "feelings"
///the cash is needed because it's cold and hard, not in spite of it

Two points:
1. Civilization predated fractional reserve banking
2. The cash is neither cold nor hard, but imaginary. "Cash" (actually promissory notes, as stated right on them) represents a drop in the bucket of the economy. Not even really worth noticing.

That does it, you're now favorited in red 4.

Beer, that's what started civilization, that's all we need.
Well, scotch would be nice too, with 1 ice cube....

I have enough beer. Some say too much. What do they know? They're fools, all of them, fools. They called me mad when I dumped my domestic real estate in 2000. They said I was crazy when I cleaned Academy out of ammo in 2008. But by gum I'll show them yet. Maybe I will die alone, but so what? I hate your society anyhow - why would you want to encourage people like me to be a part of it? We'd rather be apart of it. But thanks to the magic of pringles cantennas, we can still post in your world, and be favorited in red. The miracle of modern life! And beer!

[www.rolang.com image 618x416]


Wow.
Your jib, it has a nice angled sharp leading edge.

\Off to buy some pringles.
 
2014-04-07 09:13:15 AM  

FarkinNortherner: way south: The money men are looking at a choice between poverty, prison, or being shoved up against a wall by some angry militia.

Dream on. Money owns politics and the media. Politics controls force and the media directs both politics and public opinion. Short of a full-scale revolution the position of the wealthy in developed countries is as secure as it's ever been.




You can buy power and overwhelming force to keep the populace at bay.
You can pay the media to fudge numbers and appease the poor with handouts.
With the right payouts you can script new laws regardless of what a constitution or treaty demands.

The question is what happens when the money runs out and you can't afford to keep truth in a cage anymore.

Our vice has always been in playing games with credit. Sooner or later the bluff gets called and the wealthy become poor again.
Some will outlast this of course. Having wealth allows you to hedge your bets.
Others have built their castles on on a foundation of sand.

/still, my first bet is this is stress related and those rich farkers are taking SSRIs and other head candies.
/the world will fall apart eventually. Let's just hope it's not now.
 
2014-04-07 09:13:58 AM  

jaybeezey: Ilmarinen: Fart_Machine: So by "family tragedy" are we talking murder/suicide or someone left the oven on.

In Dutch media it usually means the former.

And regardless of what scumbags these bankers may or may not be, if a parent killing their spouse and children and themselves makes you feel better, there's something quite wrong with you.

/not directed at you, Fart_Machine

Didn't you know?

On FARK, compassion is for the weak.

On FARK, one revels and delights in the misery of one that has been deemed to have been a 1%er.

On FARK, the only victory is to crush your enemies and to hear the Lamentations of their women.


And that last thing is the exact and only reason why he is against everyone feeling good about this banker killing his wive and hot 22-year-old daughter, we can't hear their Lamentations when they're dead.
 
2014-04-07 09:16:07 AM  

Triumph: 1 - William Broeksmit, 58-year-old former senior executive at Deutsche Bank AG, was found dead in his home after an apparent suicide in South Kensington in central London, on January 26th.
2 - Karl Slym, 51 year old Tata Motors managing director Karl Slym, was found dead on the fourth floor of the Shangri-La hotel in Bangkok on January 27th.
3 - Gabriel Magee, a 39-year-old JP Morgan employee, died after falling from the roof of the JP Morgan European headquarters in London on January 27th.
4 - Mike Dueker, 50-year-old chief economist of a US investment bank was found dead close to the Tacoma Narrows Bridge in Washington State.
5 - Richard Talley, the 57 year old founder of American Title Services in Centennial, Colorado, was found dead earlier this month after apparently shooting himself with a nail gun.
6 - Tim Dickenson, a U.K.-based communications director at Swiss Re AG, also died last month, however the circumstances surrounding his death are still unknown.
7 - Ryan Henry Crane, a 37 year old executive at JP Morgan died in an alleged suicide just a few weeks ago.  No details have been released about his death aside from this small obituary announcement at the Stamford Daily Voice.
8 - Li Junjie, 33-year-old banker in Hong Kong jumped from the JP Morgan HQ in Hong Kong this week.
9 - James Stuart Jr,Former National Bank of Commerce CEO, found dead in Scottsdale, Ariz., the morning of Feb. 19. A family spokesman did not say whatcaused the death
10 - Edmund (Eddie) Reilly, 47,a trader at Midtown's Vertical Group, commited suicide by jumping in front of LIRR train
11 - Kenneth Bellando, 28, a trader at Levy Capital, formerly investment banking analyst at JPMorgan, jumped to his death from his 6th floor East Side apartment.
12 - Jan Peter Schmittmann, 57, the former CEO of Dutch bank ABN Amro found dead at home near Amsterdam with wife and daughter.

 The Cluster Effect


Keep Jumping.
 
2014-04-07 09:16:58 AM  

Nuclear Monk: So he was a banker until 5 - 6 years ago?  This is serious.


He must be still in the circle of trust.
 
2014-04-07 09:21:33 AM  
Q: What do you call a couple of dead high level bankers?
A: A good start.
 
2014-04-07 09:21:46 AM  
Who is John Galt ?
 
2014-04-07 09:31:12 AM  

buzzgoat: I have a feeling that the consumption of O2 by the engine would out pace a modern garages air leaks. And as most of the exaust constituents are heavier than air (due to the suspended burnt fuel molecules) the engine would continue to purr until the O2 levels were at about 4%. Humans suffer greatly when it drops below 8% and even without the buildup of CO2, NO, CH3 and CO the occupants of said car would fall asleep, then slip away in light headed bliss due to O2 deprevation.


Oh, I'm sure it can still work in some cases, but I just don't think it's as reliable or fast and painless as it used to be in the old days... I'm pretty sure we've seen stories right here on Fark about such attempted and failed suicides... Or, sometimes an attempted and failed murder... (Though, apparently if you are farking and also have a kerosene heater running in the enclosed garage, you can pull it off...)

In any case, not a recommended activity... But, if I were going for painless suicide, I'd look into alternative methods these days, or at least would rip off the catalytic converter first...
 
2014-04-07 09:32:55 AM  

Public Savant: buzzgoat:

More likely, the suiciders are just realizing that they've done shiatty things and can't cope lie their way out anymore.


FTFY

Yours is a good assumption, I just think these particular suicides have more to do with 'getting caught' and fracturing of their cognitive dissonance, taking the cowards' exit. (I don't think this about suicide in general, it's a much more complex subject.)

The word 'cope' implies they are in some way moral, empathetic or emotional, which if they had been, they may have stopped short before reaching a state of needing to off themselves. Also: He who takes the family with him gets a special farking ring of hell to lather in as far as I'm concerned.

In this demographic however, in which scrutiny of possible misdeed(s) are coming to light, I think the consistency of the actions are hideous, and point to a bit of a culturally-reinforced moral vacuum - these people have isolated themselves in their thinking to the point they surround themselves with only others who are involved in the same shady practices, it's not like you have a moral framework of peers are going to be supportive of you in your crises. A lemming effect, possibly.


It could be I'm just a biatchy cynic, though.
 
2014-04-07 09:38:24 AM  

RobSeace: buzzgoat: I have a feeling that the consumption of O2 by the engine would out pace a modern garages air leaks. And as most of the exaust constituents are heavier than air (due to the suspended burnt fuel molecules) the engine would continue to purr until the O2 levels were at about 4%. Humans suffer greatly when it drops below 8% and even without the buildup of CO2, NO, CH3 and CO the occupants of said car would fall asleep, then slip away in light headed bliss due to O2 deprevation.

Oh, I'm sure it can still work in some cases, but I just don't think it's as reliable or fast and painless as it used to be in the old days... I'm pretty sure we've seen stories right here on Fark about such attempted and failed suicides... Or, sometimes an attempted and failed murder... (Though, apparently if you are farking and also have a kerosene heater running in the enclosed garage, you can pull it off...)

In any case, not a recommended activity... But, if I were going for painless suicide, I'd look into alternative methods these days, or at least would rip off the catalytic converter first...


I'm just saing that the 7 nails in the chest, or whatever seem a little out of place and set off my BS meter. It's a fact that more women attempt suicide, but more men acomplish their attempt. Mainly due to the fact that men use more lethal things, guns, heights etc.. Nail gun to the temple, 1 shot as a botched attempt would be more likely, to the base of the skull, although awkward, would be much more sure to get the job done.
 
2014-04-07 09:40:04 AM  

Triumph: 9 - James Stuart Jr,Former National Bank of Commerce CEO, found dead in Scottsdale, Ariz., the morning of Feb. 19. A family spokesman did not say whatcaused the death


Dammit, we sent Clarence...
 
2014-04-07 09:41:12 AM  
Yes, a derp storm.
 
2014-04-07 09:41:18 AM  
Saing, nice, saYing is what I meant. Tired, almost time to get out of work and go to sleep. (west coast graveyard worker)

Night ya'll
 
2014-04-07 09:43:44 AM  

Destructor: So.... Everyone here is going to burn their 401k's, I hope. You know, solidarity and stuff that banking and investing is evil. EVIL....

Because if you don't... perhaps you're just as bad as the people you hate so much.



After all... you're feeding them.


You are talking to the BitCoin/Gold/inflation is eleventy million percent "they" just aren't telling you tab.

It's quite likely that the morons who thing this is some coordinated thing out of a novel have buried all their money in the back yard.
 
2014-04-07 09:50:42 AM  

BSABSVR: It's quite likely that the morons who think this is some coordinated thing out of a novel have buried all their money in the back yard.


So I have recently discovered.

There's no telling whats going on here with these bankers. It might be a coincidence, or due to conscience, or worse (for example, they see something so terrible, they can't handle it).

No way to know for sure. It's tragic but interesting.
 
x23
2014-04-07 09:52:56 AM  

buzzgoat: RobSeace: buzzgoat: RobSeace: buzzgoat: given that if a man were determined to off himself, keeping the garage closed with a running car would have been a much more merciful and painless way to get the job done.

Supposedly with modern cars with catalytic converters, that's a lot harder to pull off these days, because the CO output is negligible...

The CO is much lower, but with out an outside source of fresh air, the O2 would be depleted just the same.

And, if your garage were sealed completely airtight, that might mean something... But, I suspect most garages are a bit less hermetically sealed...

I have a feeling that the consumption of O2 by the engine would out pace a modern garages air leaks. And as most of the exaust constituents are heavier than air (due to the suspended burnt fuel molecules) the engine would continue to purr until the O2 levels were at about 4%. Humans suffer greatly when it drops below 8% and even without the buildup of CO2, NO, CH3 and CO the occupants of said car would fall asleep, then slip away in light headed bliss due to O2 deprevation.



i read an article about this a few years ago. basically with any modern car you will get nauseous and sick from the CO2 build-up well before you'd run out of oxygen or die from CO poisoning. most people were doubtful a person would be able to deal with it long enough to get to that point. it's up there with overdosing on tylenol as far as stupid ways to kill yourself.
 
2014-04-07 10:08:20 AM  
hard to feel bad for them. If you lay down with dogs you wake up with fleas
 
2014-04-07 10:09:18 AM  

Triumph: 10 - Edmund (Eddie) Reilly, 47,a trader at Midtown's Vertical Group, commited suicide by jumping in front of LIRR train


img.fark.net
 
2014-04-07 10:15:05 AM  

AND NOT A SINGLE FARK WAS GIVEN!

 
2014-04-07 10:16:50 AM  

buzzgoat: keeping the garage closed with a running car would have been a much more merciful and painless way to get the job done.


/Threadjack on:

I had heard that modern cars are too efficient for that to be a reliable method of suicide. I wasn't sure, so I hit teh Googles. I found this.

So hey, if you're determined to go out that way...

//Threadjack off
 
2014-04-07 10:23:48 AM  

RobSeace: buzzgoat: I have a feeling that the consumption of O2 by the engine would out pace a modern garages air leaks. And as most of the exaust constituents are heavier than air (due to the suspended burnt fuel molecules) the engine would continue to purr until the O2 levels were at about 4%. Humans suffer greatly when it drops below 8% and even without the buildup of CO2, NO, CH3 and CO the occupants of said car would fall asleep, then slip away in light headed bliss due to O2 deprevation.

Oh, I'm sure it can still work in some cases, but I just don't think it's as reliable or fast and painless as it used to be in the old days... I'm pretty sure we've seen stories right here on Fark about such attempted and failed suicides... Or, sometimes an attempted and failed murder... (Though, apparently if you are farking and also have a kerosene heater running in the enclosed garage, you can pull it off...)

In any case, not a recommended activity... But, if I were going for painless suicide, I'd look into alternative methods these days, or at least would rip off the catalytic converter first...


I am now shaking a VERY LARGE fist at you!

My funny death by farking story. Mine.
 
2014-04-07 10:23:50 AM  

namegoeshere: buzzgoat: keeping the garage closed with a running car would have been a much more merciful and painless way to get the job done.

/Threadjack on:

I had heard that modern cars are too efficient for that to be a reliable method of suicide. I wasn't sure, so I hit teh Googles. I found this.

So hey, if you're determined to go out that way...

//Threadjack off


Yeah, I linked to a Fark thread about that one above... But, note that they also had a kerosene heater burning in the garage, in addition to the car, so I'm sure that helped too... (Not to mention the farking presumably helped them burn through the oxygen more quickly... If they were doing it right, anyway...)
 
2014-04-07 10:28:55 AM  

RobSeace: namegoeshere: buzzgoat: keeping the garage closed with a running car would have been a much more merciful and painless way to get the job done.

/Threadjack on:

I had heard that modern cars are too efficient for that to be a reliable method of suicide. I wasn't sure, so I hit teh Googles. I found this.

So hey, if you're determined to go out that way...

//Threadjack off

Yeah, I linked to a Fark thread about that one above... But, note that they also had a kerosene heater burning in the garage, in addition to the car, so I'm sure that helped too... (Not to mention the farking presumably helped them burn through the oxygen more quickly... If they were doing it right, anyway...)


Still miles better than seven shots with a nail gun.
 
2014-04-07 10:29:03 AM  
 
2014-04-07 10:34:16 AM  
I'm not saying it's the Winter Soldier, but...

3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2014-04-07 10:37:56 AM  

Peter von Nostrand: doglover: I stand corrected, quite a few jumps abroad.

They must know something we soon will.

Eh, looks like a pretty random list to me


Agree 100%
Take any random profession and I would bet you can compile such a list pretty easily. High stress and other problems that all of us face on a daily basis will sometimes lead to premature death.
 
2014-04-07 10:38:26 AM  
i141.photobucket.com
 
2014-04-07 10:59:24 AM  

namegoeshere: Still miles better than seven shots with a nail gun.


True enough... That one was either a sloppily covered murder or that motherfarker was hardcore (and dumb as a bag of rocks)...

/"Ouch! ... Ouch! ... shiat, this really hurts! ... Goddammit! ... Me and my bright ideas!"
 
2014-04-07 11:20:04 AM  

Coming on a Bicycle: Psychopath enough to elbow his way to the top of a bank. Psychopath enough to kill his innocent wife and daughter.


Did you know his Wife?  His daughter?
No? Then claiming them "innocent" is useless.
Since they were human, it's a pretty sure bet they were not innocent at all.
 
2014-04-07 11:33:56 AM  

RobSeace: namegoeshere: Still miles better than seven shots with a nail gun.

True enough... That one was either a sloppily covered murder or that motherfarker was hardcore (and dumb as a bag of rocks)...

/"Ouch! ... Ouch! ... shiat, this really hurts! ... Goddammit! ... Me and my bright ideas!"


resources1.news.com.au
 
2014-04-07 11:47:19 AM  

Badgers: RobSeace: namegoeshere: Still miles better than seven shots with a nail gun.

True enough... That one was either a sloppily covered murder or that motherfarker was hardcore (and dumb as a bag of rocks)...

/"Ouch! ... Ouch! ... shiat, this really hurts! ... Goddammit! ... Me and my bright ideas!"

[resources1.news.com.au image 650x366]



"Man fark a charge, this here is gun powder activated, twenty seven caliber, full auto, no kick-back, nail throwing mayhem"
 
2014-04-07 12:21:32 PM  
 
2014-04-07 12:27:23 PM  

Triumph: 1 - William Broeksmit, 58-year-old former senior executive at Deutsche Bank AG, was found dead in his home after an apparent suicide in South Kensington in central London, on January 26th.
2 - Karl Slym, 51 year old Tata Motors managing director Karl Slym, was found dead on the fourth floor of the Shangri-La hotel in Bangkok on January 27th.
3 - Gabriel Magee, a 39-year-old JP Morgan employee, died after falling from the roof of the JP Morgan European headquarters in London on January 27th.
4 - Mike Dueker, 50-year-old chief economist of a US investment bank was found dead close to the Tacoma Narrows Bridge in Washington State.
5 - Richard Talley, the 57 year old founder of American Title Services in Centennial, Colorado, was found dead earlier this month after apparently shooting himself with a nail gun.
6 - Tim Dickenson, a U.K.-based communications director at Swiss Re AG, also died last month, however the circumstances surrounding his death are still unknown.
7 - Ryan Henry Crane, a 37 year old executive at JP Morgan died in an alleged suicide just a few weeks ago.  No details have been released about his death aside from this small obituary announcement at the Stamford Daily Voice.
8 - Li Junjie, 33-year-old banker in Hong Kong jumped from the JP Morgan HQ in Hong Kong this week.
9 - James Stuart Jr,Former National Bank of Commerce CEO, found dead in Scottsdale, Ariz., the morning of Feb. 19. A family spokesman did not say whatcaused the death
10 - Edmund (Eddie) Reilly, 47,a trader at Midtown's Vertical Group, commited suicide by jumping in front of LIRR train
11 - Kenneth Bellando, 28, a trader at Levy Capital, formerly investment banking analyst at JPMorgan, jumped to his death from his 6th floor East Side apartment.
12 - Jan Peter Schmittmann, 57, the former CEO of Dutch bank ABN Amro found dead at home near Amsterdam with wife and daughter.

 The Cluster Effect


They were all my friends, and they DIED!
 
2014-04-07 12:28:21 PM  
Much as I'd applaud a wave of suicides in the FIRE rackets, their suicide rates are basically on par with the rest of the population.
 
2014-04-07 01:02:43 PM  
s7.postimg.org
 
2014-04-07 01:16:57 PM  
"When the Grey Hair is dead, Magua will eat his heart. Before he dies, Magua will put his children under the knife, so the Grey Hair will know his seed is wiped out forever".
img.fark.net
 
2014-04-07 01:26:53 PM  
Anyone else read the NY Times magazine article about the IEX exchange? Pretty damn interesting. What a weird, opaque system.
 
2014-04-07 01:55:32 PM  

UsikFark: Revmach



No, they go through feeling like a fist-sized Altoid burning their way through until exit. I curl myself around my midsection in a protective ball until it's over.
 
2014-04-07 02:11:41 PM  

wesmon: Revmach


Yeah, I'm not asking for any sympathy. I had a good run while it lasted... I'm just saying I can understand why people are offing themselves.

It's eye opening really. If I look at what my work in isolation, you can't point to any one thing I personally did that was wrong or unethical. If I look at the thousands of people I worked with over my career, and look at their work in isolation, 99% of them were on the right side of the legal and moral line.

It's that damn small percentage that intentionally and knowingly crossed that line. It's the handful of big shots at Citi who lobbied for the repeal of the Glass Seagal Act, a relatively small number of people globally that created bullshiat products, a few outright fraudsters, and a financial & judicial system where the poor get the shaft as a matter of policy and procedure.

So looking at my 100% above-board and ethical work product, did my work product enable that small group of people to do what they did? Yes, regrettably it probably did to some extent. Was it apparent this would happen when I started this career? No. Why didn't I change companies to a better place? After about 2002 or so, there were only a handful of places left after consolidating mergers and they were all equally farked up. Why didn't I quit? Eventually I did... but only when the decision was basically taken out of my hands. I didn't leave earlier because, quite frankly, life was good. Plus it wasn't like we were shipping Jews off to camps, the harm was easy to miss because goddamn it, I need to configure the corporate firewall for this algo trading platform set up on the dev segment and why the fark must I get approvals from 18 different people to do so? And will I get fired if the changes aren't approved by such and such date?
 
2014-04-07 02:27:41 PM  

Heron: CoonAce: August11:  If there is an assassin roaming the world and killing bank executives, and this is the advent of a global revolution, your "storm," it likely started years ago and our children will not see it through. I know your desire, though, we want to see it all, complete, in one fell swoop.

It's quite the opposite of a "people's" revolution.  A few may be legitimate suicides, but largely these guys weren't playing ball.  A bunch of mid-level JFKs, so to speak, only with better plausible deniability.  (Except for the flagrant nailgun incident; anyone who believes that was suicide is a sucker, and that's putting it kindly.)

Contrary to popular belief, a belief deliberately cultivated by his PR team before and after his death, JFK was not some moral rebel against the iniquities of US society. I could perhaps believe him assassinated for his stupidity if the evidence didn't so strongly point to his death coming at the hands of a troubled political radical operating on his own, but the idea that some shadowy conspiracy of governmental and criminal Powers had him bumped off because he wouldn't "play ball" when it was HE would caused the Cuban Missile Crisis through his belligerence and uncritical acceptance of Pentagon/CIA/FBI analytical paranoia, and HE who escalated our military involvement in Vietnam painting LBJ into a corner regarding how to handle the situation, and HE who took the first tentative steps towards finacializing US elections and government is simply ludicrous.


You forgot to mention that JFK also initiated "Golpe de 64," the CIA overthrow of the Brazilian govt.  He did not uncritically accept all clandestine matters and affairs, however: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods

I hope you don't also believe that Amschel Rothschild hanged himself from a hotel's towel rack?  Those flimsy things come off the wall if you lean on them wrong.  These banksters are dying to make sure nobody talks.
 
2014-04-07 03:01:56 PM  

Destructor: So.... Everyone here is going to burn their 401k's, I hope. You know, solidarity and stuff that banking and investing is evil. EVIL....

Because if you don't... perhaps you're just as bad as the people you hate so much.

[www.drfunkenberry.com image 320x396]

After all... you're feeding them.


I can't speak for the [other] conspiracy theorists, but gambling, investing, getting paid interest, and all that other stuff like that is not evil, it's the lies they told in order to sell their product (the bundled sub-prime mortgages). If you're an austrian economist, even you (should) still believe that the free market requires some ground rules (you know, not lying about your product, not killing customers, not destroying the economy, not conspiring to form monopolies/oligopolies, not using economic power to change the rules to favor your company and hurt your competitors)

Those who did that, and who worked to lessen regulations that allowed them to do that, and put their guys in the role of the regulating agency, should be publicly tortured and hanged, not just for justice, but to send a message to future sociopaths (and their accomplices), that this is what happens when you go that far and flagrantly cause that much damage. They knew what they were doing
 
2014-04-07 03:08:50 PM  

wesmon: Destructor: untaken_name: Why? I didn't choose their profession, their spouse, their breeding habits, or their involvement in whatever got their family killed. If the people involved didn't care about their families, why should I?

Compassion.

I find my compassion lacking for the trust fund kiddies living off the spoils their daddies made wrecking the global economy.


I have to say, they can't help what they were born into any more than anyone else, and now will never get the chance to reveal their character (if they'd grow up to be charitable and use their dumb luck for good, or just hoard it/squander it on themselves alone, or even use it for absolute universal evil whatever that looks like, zombie Hitler perhaps?)

when in any doubt, leave children out of the war
 
2014-04-07 03:26:32 PM  

Panatheist: the free market requires some ground rules (you know, not lying about your product, not killing customers, not destroying the economy, not conspiring to form monopolies/oligopolies, not using economic power to change the rules to favor your company and hurt your competitors)


I'm not the banking industry's apologist. Bad things were certainly done in the bank industry. But to hold every actor accountable is, IMHO, irresponsible. I figure that in the worst case, for every banker that lied and swindled customers, there were 9 others who didn't. However, I'm an optimist (usually) when it comes to humans. It's probably better than that.

Panatheist: Those who did that, and who worked to lessen regulations that allowed them to do that, and put their guys in the role of the regulating agency, should be publicly tortured and hanged, not just for justice, but to send a message to future sociopaths (and their accomplices), that this is what happens when you go that far and flagrantly cause that much damage. They knew what they were doing


Oh, there were plenty of people responsible. Not just in the banking and/or insurance world, but in government too. If recent history is any indication, it is unlikely that they will ever see justice.

FWIW, I agree with what Tatterdemalian tagged on to the end of one of his posts:

/the problem with the economy isn't that the bankers are too mean, but because they are being forced - literally at gunpoint - to be too nice
//the value of the money, like the rule of law, softens as people try to force it to be kinder than it was ever meant to be
///and, like the new "social justice" replacing actual justice, the end result will be societal collapse, not social progress
 
2014-04-07 03:30:42 PM  
This is the dawning of the age of aquarius.
 
gja
2014-04-07 03:53:20 PM  
Let Wall Street after a decade plus. Damned near killed me. Cost me more personally than the money was worth.

Always reminded of CSN....
"You are living a reality
I left years ago it quite nearly killed me
In the long run it will make you cry
Make you crazy and old before your time"

Too God-damned true to believe.
 
2014-04-07 04:26:12 PM  

Destructor: FWIW, I agree with what Tatterdemalian tagged on to the end of one of his posts:

/the problem with the economy isn't that the bankers are too mean, but because they are being forced - literally at gunpoint - to be too nice
//the value of the money, like the rule of law, softens as people try to force it to be kinder than it was ever meant to be
///and, like the new "social justice" replacing actual justice, the end result will be societal collapse, not social progress


I know you didn't write it, but since you agree with it, how will laws making money "kinder" and social justice lead to societal collapse?
 
2014-04-07 04:28:18 PM  
ITT:

static.squarespace.com
 
2014-04-07 04:50:45 PM  

llortcM_yllort: I know you didn't write it, but since you agree with it, how will laws making money "kinder"


Loosening lending standards was a big contributor to the problems we have now.

llortcM_yllort: social justice lead to societal collapse?


Sticking any word in front of "Justice" is an enormous red flag. There is only Justice. Anything else is a hint that there is a bias and/or subterfuge at work.

Reverse redlining, for example, prodded along by the government contributed greatly.

Societal collapse? You got me there. But, I'm not particularly happy with the way things are headed right now...
 
2014-04-07 05:48:39 PM  

llortcM_yllort: ITT:

[static.squarespace.com image 640x480]


asheepnomore.net
 
2014-04-07 06:42:32 PM  
Another dead banking CEO.  They're dying quicker than these threads.
 
2014-04-07 06:44:14 PM  

Triumph: Another dead banking CEO.  They're dying quicker than these threads.


I don't think anyone likes them.
 
2014-04-07 06:45:02 PM  
But did they have all their fingernails?
 
2014-04-07 06:51:52 PM  

Destructor: the problem with the economy isn't that the bankers are too mean, but because they are being forced - literally at gunpoint - to be too nice


I dont understand what he/you are implying or saying

the problem with the economy isn't that the bankers are too mean, but because they are being forced - literally at gunpoint - to be too nice
what is "too nice" here, and who's holding the gun?

the value of the money, like the rule of law, softens as people try to force it to be kinder than it was ever meant to be

I disagree that the law has gotten softer (nicer?) unless you really mean that it's interpretation is softer (fuzzier) and more broad (in my opinion too overreaching)
and I disagree that money has gotten softer or harder or anything, and I really don't know what you're trying to say (or imply) with that, but it reeks of old white men complaining about welfare queens. correct me if I'm wrong.

and what is this?
and, like the new "social justice" replacing actual justice, the end result will be societal collapse, not social progress

this recent social justice isn't replacing anything. What i'm thinking you mean is any number of stories where people boycott a business because of politics, or complain about something because it goes against their politics. Thats just people exercising a tool they have. And you think people paying attention and being engaged will lead to social collapse? why? is it because you disagree with some of their politics? or am I way off mark? what exactly are you saying?

and I don't think bankers are mean or nice, they're indifferent and self serving to the extreme
 
2014-04-07 07:06:18 PM  
Reminds me of a Tom Clancy novel...
 
2014-04-07 07:06:24 PM  

Panatheist: I dont understand what he/you are implying or saying


Please refer to the reply I gave,

llortcM_yllort, bout 5 posts up.

Panatheist: and I don't think bankers are mean or nice, they're indifferent and self serving to the extreme


Ideally, that's the goal of every business. To provide a good or service of value in exchange for money. The better they can do, the better it is for the consumer. It's where people get cheated that we have a problem.
 
2014-04-07 07:23:02 PM  
ABN Amro is shocked

Shocked that they didn't get the other daughter.
 
2014-04-07 07:47:00 PM  
Didn't the head of a Lichtenstein bank also get shot in the parking lot of his office today?
 
2014-04-08 09:05:31 AM  

Destructor: Societal collapse? You got me there. But, I'm not particularly happy with the way things are headed right now...


By undercutting what makes the rule of law stable, which is the fact that people believe they can get a fair trial in the inevitable disputes that go to court. When the law is intentionally biased, even if the bias is introduced with the very best of all possible intentions, the bias makes it clear that certain people will not be allowed to get a fair trial. When the criteria for receiving the benefits of this corruption is to be a "downtrodden victim," it sets off a race to be as much of a downtrodden victim as possible, just to avoid being in the demographic that is always decided against.

For example, take Lenin's Hanging Order. Supposedly it only punished "kulaks," illegal farmers who grew crops on land they didn't actually own. Who decided ownership? The local magistrates, who quickly realized they could fudge their records without retribution simply because they were too popular and important to be suspected. "Kulak" quickly became a euphemism for "farmer successful enough that the local magistrate decided it was time to shake him down." Then when the Hanging Order was announced, it set off a sudden race to the bottom, as all the farmers tried to be as unproductive as possible, in the hope that some other farmer would be one of the ten most productive "kulaks" that would be hanged on the orders of the Great Revolutionary Leader.

/and the lack of productivity didn't go away when the Hanging Order did
//because there was always the possibility that Stalin, or any other leader, could bring it back
///and not only did Stalin do this, he weaponized it against Ukrainian farmers in the Holodomor
 
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