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2014-04-07 08:50:14 AM
Where the hell was this thread last night? 3 of us dirty liters threadjacked the thread below for the episode.

/GJ modmins
 
2014-04-07 09:19:24 AM

Nix Nightbird: You know, I'd be watching this if Fox would put it on Hulu Plus. But they aren't. So I'm not.

If Fox doesn't want the extra viewers, that's their problem.


It's free to view on Fox.com
 
2014-04-07 09:32:18 AM

BKITU: OneDeltaTenTango: I just wonder what part of this weeks Cosmos will get the thumpers knickers in a twist.

Portraying Muslims in a positive light.


Those events took place before the Muslims invented the TEA party.
 
2014-04-07 09:41:53 AM

Adolf Oliver Nipples: Ishkur: Adolf Oliver Nipples: I disagree. This one was more of a history lesson than a science one. The science aspect seemed ancillary to the endless biographies.

The history of science is fascinating! We need more of this, because the Creationists don't understand how we know all this shiat. I'm glad these stories are being told in a way to explain how we came to know what we know. We didn't just pull numbers out of our ass and say "Universe is 13.72 billion years old".... we arrived to that conclusion by analyzing the available evidence. And Cosmos is doing a good job explaining where that evidence came from and how we discovered it.

I'm probably being unfair. I just thought the biographies ran a lot longer than in previous episodes and wanted them to get down to the nuts and bolts sooner so they had more time to talk about the science aspect of it.


NdGT talked about the lines in the spectrum, and how we know what the elements are in the light because of it ...and he mentioned that we we know things are moving away from us because of it, but he didn't explain it. 

I'd have liked for that episode to have explained how the speed of things makes those barcodes in the spectrum shift, like the sound of a police siren goes up or down depending on if the police car is speeding towards you or away from you.

snap.lbl.gov

He could have tied the sound part with the waves (like he did with the organ), and redshift from galaxies using the barcode graphic, together. I already knew it, but putting it together graphically on screen would have been a great demonstration of how we know the universe is expanding.
 
2014-04-07 09:43:26 AM

Great_Milenko: BKITU: OneDeltaTenTango: I just wonder what part of this weeks Cosmos will get the thumpers knickers in a twist.

Portraying Muslims in a positive light.

Those events took place before the Muslims invented the TEA party.


Thanks, Barraco Barner.
 
2014-04-07 09:56:12 AM
I don't get some of the folks that hate on this show.  I find it to be a great educational program.  Of course it's not going to be super in depth, it's a 45 minute long show (give or take) covering a lot of material.  It's not meant to be a lecture, it's meant to expose the average person to science.  It's meant to give a short answer to how we know what we know.  It's meant to inspire people to become curious about the world around them and hopefully do actual science themselves.  Why do some folks find this hard to grasp?

Bah whatever, I enjoy it and I hope other people are enjoying it too.  The haters are gonna hate no matter what.
 
2014-04-07 10:09:30 AM

Fark Griswald: I find it to be a great educational program.


Which is surprising because the actual educational content is Science Light, now with 70% less interesting facts and 14% more Visual Aids for the Mentally Challenged.

Given the hype it enjoys, and having enjoyed the original, this series is coming up meh.
 
2014-04-07 10:51:09 AM

Ishkur: I'm glad these stories are being told in a way to explain how we came to know what we know. We didn't just pull numbers out of our ass and say "Universe is 13.72 billion years old".... we arrived to that conclusion by analyzing the available evidence. And Cosmos is doing a good job explaining where that evidence came from and how we discovered it.


This.

I read a comment somewhere which was a really good explanation of religion and science. It went something like this: imagine there was a murder in the town. Two detectives are put on the job. Detective Science, and Detective Faith.

Detective Science starts with a blank slate. All evidence is weighed. More is collected, more is tested, based on evidence that has so-far been proven. People that can definitely be eliminated as suspects (time lapse video at the bank shows that one of the early front-runners was indeed sat at the diner across the street during the window of opportunity) are not only eliminated as suspects, their evidence of who was in the diner too can be matched with the video and give other alibis credence. Forensic tests on the victim and the weapon can indicate the force needed to commit the crime, eliminating anyone without the strength to carry it out. Evidence can come in many forms: phone company records, hair and cloth fiber fragments, known relationships, overheard statements in front of different people. Eventually, we get closer and closer to the truth. Nobody witnessed the murder take place, but the evidence means we don't need to have had an eye-witness when the facts that exist speak for themselves and help in the pursuit of truth, the pursuit to unravel the mystery.

Detective Faith was always told, growing up, that it's Chinese people that murder like that. There aren't any Chinese people in town, but there is a Thai family. Close enough, thinks the detective, one of them did it. So Detective Faith will ignore all evidence that points to other people, and will hold on to anything that can be used to strengthen the case against one of the Thai family. He has already been told all he needs to know about the killer, that's good enough for him. Evidence comes in the form he's been told it comes in. It turns out this family flew to visit family near Bangkok a few years ago and the flight back had a layover in Hong Kong for three hours. THAT'S IN CHINA. Definitely a lead...

Science adjusts its beliefs based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that belief can be preserved.
 
2014-04-07 11:05:47 AM

Jackpot777: He could have tied the sound part with the waves (like he did with the organ), and redshift from galaxies using the barcode graphic, together. I already knew it, but putting it together graphically on screen would have been a great demonstration of how we know the universe is expanding.


I'm expecting that in a future episode. I squee'd at the reference to redshift but was fully cognizant that it was 9:59.
 
2014-04-07 11:52:27 AM

RminusQ: Jackpot777: He could have tied the sound part with the waves (like he did with the organ), and redshift from galaxies using the barcode graphic, together. I already knew it, but putting it together graphically on screen would have been a great demonstration of how we know the universe is expanding.

I'm expecting that in a future episode. I squee'd at the reference to redshift but was fully cognizant that it was 9:59.


It was also mentioned that  Joseph Von Fraunhofer's death in 1826 wouldinconvenience someone a hundred years later... but I don't think it was said who was inconvenienced. So I hope they go back to it.
 
2014-04-07 12:02:35 PM
DVR'd it. Is this one a farking cartoon like the others?
 
2014-04-07 12:05:35 PM
Just watched it today... Avs were playing... gotta prioritize.
 
2014-04-07 12:40:33 PM

RminusQ: Nix Nightbird: You know, I'd be watching this if Fox would put it on Hulu Plus. But they aren't. So I'm not.

If Fox doesn't want the extra viewers, that's their problem.

It's free to view on Fox.com


I'm talking about easy solutions on my Roku or Xbox. Yes, I have my PC connected to my projector, but I'm not going out of my way to watch Cosmos. I'm not that big a fan of NDT, and while I am a fan of science, I'm not so much a fan that I can't wait until the series ends up on Netflix or Amazon to binge-watch it.

I suppose I could check to see if the Fox plugin on Plex works, but I know the FoxNow app on Roku won't work because Comcast blocks it, and while the one on Xbox 360 isn't blocked, it is glitchy and tends to forget my credentials halfway through a show, followed by logging me out and requiring me to uninstall then reinstall the app.

And I could torrent it, but again, it's a show I only kind of care about. If it were there for casual viewing on Hulu Plus, I'd watch it. It's not, so I wait. Fox is missing an opportunity to hit casual viewers here, and that's their problem. I'm not going to go to the effort to make it mine.
 
2014-04-07 12:48:52 PM

Nix Nightbird: Fox is missing an opportunity to hit casual viewers here, and that's their problem.


No, it's yours. The casual viewer is already watching it over the air or on cable. Not everybody runs a technology octopus like you.
 
2014-04-07 01:01:17 PM

nulluspixiusdemonica: Fark Griswald: I find it to be a great educational program.

Which is surprising because the actual educational content is Science Light, now with 70% less interesting facts and 14% more Visual Aids for the Mentally Challenged.

Given the hype it enjoys, and having enjoyed the original, this series is coming up meh.


Science light is a hell of a lot better than science free which is what pretty much what all of the other prime time shows are.  I'm not exactly sure what you were expecting.  It was never going to be the exact same show as the first Cosmos because the landscape is completely different now that is was in 1980.  This show isn't just competing with other terrestrial shows.  It's competing with them, cable, internet streaming, DVD's, whatever, in addition to hundreds of other science shows out there.

Don't get me wrong, I love the original still but I gave up trying to compare this show to the original in its first episode.  They're just different shows.  I'm appreciating NDT's version for what it is.
 
2014-04-07 01:28:59 PM

Fark Griswald: This show isn't just competing with other terrestrial shows. It's competing with them, cable, internet streaming, DVD's, whatever, in addition to hundreds of other science shows out there.


There are a lot of shows. Tyson is competing with Brian Greene, Brian Cox, and even Sam Neil of all people in creating a popular, engaging science education documentary series. There are tons of science documentaries out there, most of them heavy on CGI and discombobulated baritone-voiced narrators. In order for Tyson to stand out, he has to evoke the same sense of wonder that Sagan did with the same poetic eloquence. I don't think he's quite achieving that (Brian Cox is better at it), but the series is entertaining for what it is.
 
2014-04-07 02:32:27 PM

Ishkur: Fark Griswald: This show isn't just competing with other terrestrial shows. It's competing with them, cable, internet streaming, DVD's, whatever, in addition to hundreds of other science shows out there.

There are a lot of shows. Tyson is competing with Brian Greene, Brian Cox, and even Sam Neil of all people in creating a popular, engaging science education documentary series. There are tons of science documentaries out there, most of them heavy on CGI and discombobulated baritone-voiced narrators. In order for Tyson to stand out, he has to evoke the same sense of wonder that Sagan did with the same poetic eloquence. I don't think he's quite achieving that (Brian Cox is better at it), but the series is entertaining for what it is.


This series just falls orders of magnitude short of the original. I can handle heavy CGI, but they are employing huge amounts of poorly animated cartoons dang it. And Sagan didn't affect a sense of wonder in his voice, it was always there.  That is just the way he spoke.  Tyson is much more impressive when he is speaking extemporaneously.  His genius just flows naturally and it is easy to get caught up in his fervor.  But when he is reading from a script and 'acting' he comes across somehow phony.  It feels as if he wants to be Barry White more than Sagan.

They should not have been allowed to call this 'Cosmos'
 
2014-04-07 02:41:42 PM

Nix Nightbird: I'm talking about easy solutions on my Roku or Xbox. Yes, I have my PC connected to my projector, but I'm not going out of my way to watch Cosmos. I'm not that big a fan of NDT, and while I am a fan of science, I'm not so much a fan that I can't wait until the series ends up on Netflix or Amazon to binge-watch it.


Problem is, Comos IS on Hulu Plus, just not allowed to be watched on the 360's version of Hulu Plus. It's dumb. I know. I don't even know why Hulu even displays half their inventory on the 360, since when you go to watch it, it says "this video is not available". Whatever. I get it, contracts and whatnot say you can't have it shown on consoles, but at least don't farking tease me by saying "yep, I have it, and no you can't watch it".

I suggest checking out PlayOn. Worth a shot, easy to use.

It lets me watch any Hulu Plus shows on my 360 (and not just the slim selection that they allow for the 360, since it streams it from the PC), the multitude of file formats that my video files are in, and can stream from a huge list of sites, both free and ones that you may have a subscription to (including Fox.com). The setup was quite easy, and I haven't had to make any adjustments or changes at all to it since I installed it a couple years ago, since it auto-scans my selected folders for new video files.
 
2014-04-07 03:58:22 PM
Episode re-airing right now on NGW.  Let's roll!
 
2014-04-07 04:50:46 PM
We'll be watching this tonight (yeah, we had to choose GoT over it, I hate the timing of it).  Don't know why they decided to put it up against a juggernaut...I guess they thought it would get crushed anyway.
 
2014-04-07 05:00:59 PM

SquiggsIN: Episode re-airing right now on NGW.  Let's roll!


I was wrong, they re-aired Episode 3 instead of 5.  Now they are playing Ep4.  I'll have to wait until 9pm to catch last night's episode.
 
2014-04-08 02:23:48 AM

Nix Nightbird: You know, I'd be watching this if Fox would put it on Hulu Plus. But they aren't. So I'm not.

If Fox doesn't want the extra viewers, that's their problem.


http://www.cosmosontv.com/

..if no-one has mentioned, yet..
 
2014-04-08 03:06:02 AM

ltdanman44: I enjoyed the part about the black lines.  I always wondered how they were able to tell what distant stars and planets were made of


What's cute is it works both ways. Light coming at you in a cold (not glowing hot) gas cloud will be missing certain colors of light that tend to go sideways upon absorption. If you take the other example of light that isn't aimed at you hits a gas cloud getting it hot enough to glow hot the "omitted lines" are seen against a backdrop of the absence of the bulk of the light.

The emission spectrum (bright lines on a dark background) is also how you get very specific lines of light out of materials. Monochromatic LEDs, sodium lamps, lasers, etc.
 
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