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2014-04-06 09:03:56 PM
No cold open, just right to credits tonight.
 
2014-04-06 09:05:16 PM
Billions.  Drink!
 
2014-04-06 09:08:40 PM
A three-prong test for every doctrine:
* Question its basis
* Ask if it can be verified by the sights and senses of the common people
* Ask how it is to applied and if it will benefit the greatest number
 
2014-04-06 09:10:46 PM
Slow start.
 
2014-04-06 09:12:26 PM

RminusQ: A three-prong test for every doctrine:
* Question its basis
* Ask if it can be verified by the sights and senses of the common people
* Ask how it is to applied and if it will benefit the greatest number


maybe they had some doctrines that were really 'out there' and nobody had any idea wtf they came from.  Hence there would be some need to be verifiable by common people, or maybe the verification applies to seeing that it is applied,
 
2014-04-06 09:12:27 PM
No drinking for me tonight, just a Magnum Double Caramel Ice Cream Bar

/my Warrior's stuck in DC, have to drown sorrow in caramel
 
2014-04-06 09:12:33 PM
Can't watch in real time, but just dropping through to say Hi to everyone!

Hey IronTom - it finally got warm enough that I could keep the smoker up to temp.  Did a couple racks of ribs today, plus a 2-quart batch of AwesomeSauce.

Dinner porn!

img.fark.net
 
2014-04-06 09:13:45 PM
Daaaaang... my phone camera is taking pictures Dark!  They aren't burned, I promise, lol!  A nice mahogany brown with a good smoke ring and a lovely bark.  I love my smoker.
 
2014-04-06 09:14:54 PM
drink!
 
2014-04-06 09:15:06 PM
DRINK!
 
2014-04-06 09:15:11 PM
He had a farking smirk on his face.

FINISH YOUR DRINK EVERYBODY. BILLIONS AND BILLIONS.
 
2014-04-06 09:16:56 PM

Benevolent Misanthrope: Can't watch in real time, but just dropping through to say Hi to everyone!

Hey IronTom - it finally got warm enough that I could keep the smoker up to temp.  Did a couple racks of ribs today, plus a 2-quart batch of AwesomeSauce.

Dinner porn!

[img.fark.net image 640x480]


Those look awesome Benevolent Misanthrope!  I had take-out ribs today too, Yours look better, which is saying a lot since these were really good.  Mmmmmm
 
2014-04-06 09:20:42 PM
A place where light is surrounded in darkness?  It must be the commercial.
 
2014-04-06 09:25:20 PM

IronTom: A place where light is surrounded in darkness?  It must be the commercial.


That was a bizarre segue to "we're about to go back to black holes". And then after the commercial break... we're in a forest.
 
2014-04-06 09:25:30 PM
Sort of jealous of light.
 
2014-04-06 09:26:39 PM
Now we finally get to the meat. This episode was very roundabout to the point.
 
2014-04-06 09:29:06 PM
Herschel seems pretty clever

/when you hear 'that sound' drink
 
2014-04-06 09:33:29 PM
These people did research, but had no wikipedia to post it on.  It was all for people who could read and were lucky enough to go to university.  But then, their world was smaller and they didn't need to be liked on Facebook.

But, like the mathematicians, they had no computers, but just elevated us from the apes by the thoughts they embodied on paper.
 
2014-04-06 09:35:46 PM
ahh, Fraunhoffer lines
 
2014-04-06 09:39:55 PM
Now that's creepy, the theme from the Exorcist in the church.  Oh wait, it is Carmina Burana. Never mind.
 
2014-04-06 09:41:02 PM

IronTom: Now that's creepy, the theme from the Exorcist in the church.  Oh wait, it is Carmina Burana. Never mind.


O Fortuna, yeah.
 
2014-04-06 09:43:02 PM
It really makes you wonder how this stuff wasn't obvious to them given how obvious it is to us. That's the genius.

Oh, no. He just said "alien". Here come the conspiracy loons.
 
2014-04-06 09:43:07 PM
I like how the scientists never use reading, writing, or arithmetic.  Just like grabbing things and saying 'whyyyyyy?'
 
2014-04-06 09:44:42 PM
Hey, I can grab things and say 'why?'
 
2014-04-06 09:50:27 PM
Nice atom/lightwave stuff
 
2014-04-06 09:51:35 PM
Long way to go to get to Fraunhofer lines.
 
2014-04-06 09:52:14 PM
I am so enjoying this series, I love the refresher course of science.....makes me feel like a youngster at the grandparent's house, watching Mutual of Omaha's "Wild Kingdom" and then "Wonderful World of Disney" on vacation Sunday evenings.

/and NdGT is giving me a few delicious shivers (intelligent men turn me on)
//yeah get off my lawn
 
2014-04-06 09:53:31 PM
More specifically, the dark lines appear because those are the specific amounts of energy needed to PROMOTE an electron to a higher-energy orbital. So all wavelengths are heading along, then this specific red frequency gets hijacked by an electron, Yes it does eventually get released, but not necessarily in the direction of Earth.
 
2014-04-06 09:53:59 PM

trekkiecougar: I am so enjoying this series, I love the refresher course of science.....makes me feel like a youngster at the grandparent's house, watching Mutual of Omaha's "Wild Kingdom" and then "Wonderful World of Disney" on vacation Sunday evenings.

/and NdGT is giving me a few delicious shivers (intelligent men turn me on)
//yeah get off my lawn


Yeah it is exciting, like a peak experience.  Not like sex of course, except maybe in some cases.
 
2014-04-06 09:55:03 PM
Huh. After the "China crushed an age of scientific innovation", I'm surprised they didn't repeat the theme with the Arabs.
 
2014-04-06 09:55:25 PM

RminusQ: More specifically, the dark lines appear because those are the specific amounts of energy needed to PROMOTE an electron to a higher-energy orbital. So all wavelengths are heading along, then this specific red frequency gets hijacked by an electron, Yes it does eventually get released, but not necessarily in the direction of Earth.


That is an interesting concept that the photon would go flying out in a single direction, and not like a spherical wave.
 
2014-04-06 09:58:11 PM
yes yes yes! redshift!
 
2014-04-06 10:00:27 PM
TRIPPING BALLS
 
2014-04-06 10:02:24 PM

RminusQ: TRIPPING BALLS


Someday these spectra will all be integrated into your glasses, and anywhere you look will have a wider spectrum than that of a standard human.
 
2014-04-06 10:04:49 PM
Hmmm... did the very last minute give a reference to the 13-odd-gigayear age of the universe? One of the local FOX affiliates (WAHU) cut to the "and now the news" a bit early -- right after the reference to the microwave background. Charlottesville VA isn't exactly deep red territory, but we're close enough to Lynchburg that it wouldn't shock me to learn that there's a Liberty U graduate working in the control room.
 
2014-04-06 10:08:49 PM

abb3w: Hmmm... did the very last minute give a reference to the 13-odd-gigayear age of the universe? One of the local FOX affiliates (WAHU) cut to the "and now the news" a bit early -- right after the reference to the microwave background. Charlottesville VA isn't exactly deep red territory, but we're close enough to Lynchburg that it wouldn't shock me to learn that there's a Liberty U graduate working in the control room.


Neil says "We've only just opened our eyes" and then there's a scene of the lights of NY flipping between spectra as "Rhapsody in Blue" (haha, GET IT) plays.
 
2014-04-06 10:26:50 PM
Apparently I was the only liter who wanted to comment on this when it was on...great job admins!
 
2014-04-06 10:28:17 PM

cameroncrazy1984: Apparently I was the only liter who wanted to comment on this when it was on...great job admins!


Problem solved.
 
2014-04-06 10:28:47 PM

abb3w: cameroncrazy1984: Apparently I was the only liter who wanted to comment on this when it was on...great job admins!

Problem solved.


Hey thanks! I mucho appreciate it. It was weird watching it with no one to snark with.
 
2014-04-06 10:32:05 PM
damn my Fox station cut off a little early too
 
2014-04-06 10:34:00 PM

cameroncrazy1984: abb3w: cameroncrazy1984: Apparently I was the only liter who wanted to comment on this when it was on...great job admins!

Problem solved.

Hey thanks! I mucho appreciate it. It was weird watching it with no one to snark with.


I am also disappointed that no Fark discussion was available while the episode aired, especially when the episode was significantly stronger than the episode that aired last week.
 
2014-04-06 10:35:48 PM
Was it a slow thread tonight?  Missed the episode watching 'Girl with the Dragon Tattoo" ... oops.
 
2014-04-06 10:36:20 PM

Dimensio: I am also disappointed that no Fark discussion was available while the episode aired, especially when the episode was significantly stronger than the episode that aired last week.


Eh, you've been due one for a while, and I've the one left.
 
2014-04-06 10:36:25 PM
I really enjoyed tonight's show.  First time I caught it (and neglected to timeshift the previous episodes).

I really hope this show is well-received.  They need to sneak some knowledge on some people's asses.
 
2014-04-06 10:45:47 PM

SquiggsIN: Was it a slow thread tonight?  Missed the episode watching 'Girl with the Dragon Tattoo" ... oops.


It was a TF-only thread in real-time, but I am thinking of staying up to discuss it with the west-coasters in about an hour.
 
2014-04-06 10:46:55 PM

cameroncrazy1984: SquiggsIN: Was it a slow thread tonight?  Missed the episode watching 'Girl with the Dragon Tattoo" ... oops.

It was a TF-only thread in real-time, but I am thinking of staying up to discuss it with the west-coasters in about an hour.


I see a few TF subs were gifted out to those who were missing out.  I'll have to catch it later this week.  (I don't pay for west coast satellite feeds)
 
2014-04-06 10:49:17 PM

Benevolent Misanthrope: Can't watch in real time, but just dropping through to say Hi to everyone!

Hey IronTom - it finally got warm enough that I could keep the smoker up to temp.  Did a couple racks of ribs today, plus a 2-quart batch of AwesomeSauce.

Dinner porn!

[img.fark.net image 640x480]


Those look tasty.  Sadly, I didn't pause to take a picture of the shrimp alfredo the lady made for tonight's supper.
 
2014-04-06 10:50:19 PM

abb3w: Dimensio: I am also disappointed that no Fark discussion was available while the episode aired, especially when the episode was significantly stronger than the episode that aired last week.

Eh, you've been due one for a while, and I've the one left.


I appreciate the gesture.
 
2014-04-06 10:56:21 PM

Benevolent Misanthrope: Can't watch in real time, but just dropping through to say Hi to everyone!

Hey IronTom - it finally got warm enough that I could keep the smoker up to temp.  Did a couple racks of ribs today, plus a 2-quart batch of AwesomeSauce.

Dinner porn!

[img.fark.net image 640x480]


I missed this earlier because I have it set to change images to links. Holy cow! pig! Those look fantastic!
 
2014-04-06 10:58:25 PM
I see a downward trend here

discussion threads post count
1st - 413
2nd - 485
3rd - 387
4th - 342
5th - 49 (this time last week it was about 250)

Did Ty piss off Farkers, too?
 
2014-04-06 11:00:30 PM

uber humper: I see a downward trend here

discussion threads post count
1st - 413
2nd - 485
3rd - 387
4th - 342
5th - 49 (this time last week it was about 250)

Did Ty piss off Farkers, too?


No, though perhaps Dr. Tyson upset one of the Fark modmins.
 
2014-04-06 11:01:44 PM

trekkiecougar: I am so enjoying this series, I love the refresher course of science.....makes me feel like a youngster at the grandparent's house, watching Mutual of Omaha's "Wild Kingdom" and then "Wonderful World of Disney" on vacation Sunday evenings.

/and NdGT is giving me a few delicious shivers (intelligent men turn me on)
//yeah get off my lawn


*Obligatory checks profile comment here*

WOW!

*passes out on floor*
 
2014-04-06 11:03:30 PM
I wanted to watch this live and dvr Game of Thrones so I could enjoy this thread. Damn it modmins! Better late than never....
i.imgur.com
Let's get it on...
 
2014-04-06 11:03:52 PM

Dimensio: uber humper: I see a downward trend here

discussion threads post count
1st - 413
2nd - 485
3rd - 387
4th - 342
5th - 49 (this time last week it was about 250)

Did Ty piss off Farkers, too?

No, though perhaps Dr. Tyson upset one of the Fark modmins.


yea, I see now it was posted a bit late.
 
2014-04-06 11:15:36 PM
I'm going to have to catch this on NatGeo at 4pm tomorrow.
 
2014-04-06 11:16:54 PM
You know, I'd be watching this if Fox would put it on Hulu Plus. But they aren't. So I'm not.

If Fox doesn't want the extra viewers, that's their problem.
 
2014-04-06 11:25:52 PM

trekkiecougar: I am so enjoying this series, I love the refresher course of science.....makes me feel like a youngster at the grandparent's house, watching Mutual of Omaha's "Wild Kingdom" and then "Wonderful World of Disney" on vacation Sunday evenings.

/and NdGT is giving me a few delicious shivers (intelligent men turn me on)
//yeah get off my lawn


Mi lawn es su lawn.

/Marlin Perkins and Jim Fowler FTW!
 
2014-04-06 11:26:02 PM

Nix Nightbird: You know, I'd be watching this if Fox would put it on Hulu Plus. But they aren't. So I'm not.

If Fox doesn't want the extra viewers, that's their problem.


Aereo?
 
2014-04-06 11:36:29 PM

uber humper: I see a downward trend here

discussion threads post count
1st - 413
2nd - 485
3rd - 387
4th - 342
5th - 49 (this time last week it was about 250)

Did Ty piss off Farkers, too?


Nope, Game of Thrones  is back on at the same time so "Fark yeah, science!" will get trumped by "Fark yeah, boobies!". I'm guessing this won't be good for ratings.
 
2014-04-06 11:56:48 PM
Science is telling me that greening a live discussion thread an hour and a half late might be a bad idea.
 
2014-04-07 12:00:52 AM

Dimensio: I am also disappointed that no Fark discussion was available while the episode aired, especially when the episode was significantly stronger than the episode that aired last week.


I disagree. This one was more of a history lesson than a science one. The science aspect seemed ancillary to the endless biographies.
 
2014-04-07 12:07:29 AM

falseidols: uber humper: I see a downward trend here

discussion threads post count
1st - 413
2nd - 485
3rd - 387
4th - 342
5th - 49 (this time last week it was about 250)

Did Ty piss off Farkers, too?

Nope, Game of Thrones  is back on at the same time so "Fark yeah, science!" will get trumped by "Fark yeah, boobies!". I'm guessing this won't be good for ratings.


Same time as River Monsters too.  Why would you start your new series the same night as GoT??? Why??
 
2014-04-07 12:10:26 AM
I enjoyed about 60% of it when my father-in-law wasn't annoying me with PC-vs-Mac questions. My favorite bit was how infrared was discovered. That was awesome.
 
2014-04-07 12:12:43 AM

Adolf Oliver Nipples: Dimensio: I am also disappointed that no Fark discussion was available while the episode aired, especially when the episode was significantly stronger than the episode that aired last week.

I disagree. This one was more of a history lesson than a science one. The science aspect seemed ancillary to the endless biographies.


Most of the episodes are more "history of science" than "here's a bunch of raw numbers with no context". I like it. YMMV
 
2014-04-07 12:12:54 AM

farkingismybusiness: Science is telling me that greening a live discussion thread an hour and a half late might be a bad idea.


It still left plenty of time for those of us on the west coast. I haven't understood why these threads don't get more participation when the show comes on in other time zones.
 
2014-04-07 12:17:36 AM

cyberspacedout: I haven't understood why these threads don't get more participation when the show comes on in other time zones.


Probably because people feel like the thread is big already and their replies won't be seen....
 
2014-04-07 12:17:42 AM

cyberspacedout: farkingismybusiness: Science is telling me that greening a live discussion thread an hour and a half late might be a bad idea.

It still left plenty of time for those of us on the west coast. I haven't understood why these threads don't get more participation when the show comes on in other time zones.


because EASTSIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIDE, BYOTCH!
 
2014-04-07 12:40:11 AM
Got a torrent going, but since I'm on the west coast (temporarily) just I tuned in a few minutes ago. Lovely commercials.  Dominoes Pizza [barf].

Pipe organ action, remedial intro to wavelengths and spectrum.  Building to red/blue-shift discussion?  Only the people posting BBQ pics and so on know...
 
2014-04-07 12:44:59 AM
Ah, segue to basics of astrophysics.

Keeping the commercial reporting up to date:

gerbel adverting Sprint
Red Bull
Taco Hell with Ronald McDonalds
(missed one short one)
Ford Escape
ATT Uverse
Jack in the Box (stupid tattoo)
 
2014-04-07 12:46:29 AM
OK, he's back and still discussing basics of spectrum.
 
2014-04-07 12:49:55 AM
After viewing this episode I shall now hold my breath waiting for a thousand articles to be written complaining that the first emperor of China was unfairly portrayed and didn't burn books and bury people alive because he was anti-science.
 
2014-04-07 12:50:08 AM
Nice.  Describing Bohr's model, electron orbits.  Good stuff for the kids.
 
2014-04-07 12:54:20 AM
Ah, back to the astrophysics applications of spectral analysis

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2014-04-07 12:54:23 AM

aurorous: After viewing this episode I shall now hold my breath waiting for a thousand articles to be written complaining that the first emperor of China was unfairly portrayed and didn't burn books and bury people alive because he was anti-science.


I'm actually expecting most of the froth to come from the (positive in context) portrayal of the Arabics.
 
2014-04-07 12:57:24 AM
DARK MATER!
 
2014-04-07 01:02:34 AM
And it's over.  And missed the first half and there's 3 more hours of sucking the hotel's bandwidth teat before the torrent is done.

Good news is Fox says they have confirmed the Orange Box pings from Malasia flight 370.

Well, that's all I have to say.  Good night, cosmos.
 
2014-04-07 01:03:30 AM
Golf clap for clever use of the piece Rhapsody In Blue.
 
2014-04-07 01:04:18 AM
I just wonder what part of this weeks Cosmos will get the thumpers knickers in a twist.
 
2014-04-07 01:05:28 AM
This was the best episode yet. I hope people who felt that the earlier episodes were too light on real science tuned in tonight--he just introduced the general public to Fraunhoffer lines!

/As a musicologist married to someone who up until very recently worked for an infrared company, I felt like this episode was just for me.
//Oh, and some bits about questioning everything thrown in for good measure. Seriously, this was the best yet!
 
2014-04-07 01:08:13 AM
This series sucks.

Stupidly light on detail or context, plenty of outdated feel-good blather and seriously diluted science...

What is this.. I don't even...

"Science" for the mentally retarded...
 
2014-04-07 01:12:12 AM

OneDeltaTenTango: I just wonder what part of this weeks Cosmos will get the thumpers knickers in a twist.


Portraying Muslims in a positive light.
 
2014-04-07 01:12:59 AM

Forty-Two: This was the best episode yet. I hope people who felt that the earlier episodes were too light on real science tuned in tonight--he just introduced the general public to Fraunhoffer lines!

/As a musicologist


Hemholtz, On the Sensations of Tone, fastinating stuff, if a bit dry at times.

married to someone who up until very recently worked for an infrared company, I felt like this episode was just for me.
//Oh, and some bits about questioning everything thrown in for good measure. Seriously, this was the best yet!


Sounds like another company just got bought by FLIR.  Congrats.
 
2014-04-07 01:14:45 AM
The Creationists aren't going to react this time. They've already written it off as atheist propaganda.
 
2014-04-07 01:16:16 AM

SansNeural: Forty-Two: This was the best episode yet. I hope people who felt that the earlier episodes were too light on real science tuned in tonight--he just introduced the general public to Fraunhoffer lines!

/As a musicologist

Hemholtz, On the Sensations of Tone, fastinating stuff, if a bit dry at times.

married to someone who up until very recently worked for an infrared company, I felt like this episode was just for me.
//Oh, and some bits about questioning everything thrown in for good measure. Seriously, this was the best yet!

Sounds like another company just got bought by FLIR.  Congrats.


No, I left FLIR. Fun company. Pays like shiat.
 
2014-04-07 01:17:52 AM

nulluspixiusdemonica: This series sucks.

Stupidly light on detail or context, plenty of outdated feel-good blather and seriously diluted science...

What is this.. I don't even...

"Science" for the mentally retarded...


Imagine, if you will, a universe where there are people who are young, inexperienced and uneducated, yet who have minds are are plastic, malleable and open to learning.

You seem to be not of that universe.  Go away, alien.
 
2014-04-07 01:31:42 AM

BKITU: OneDeltaTenTango: I just wonder what part of this weeks Cosmos will get the thumpers knickers in a twist.

Portraying Muslims in a positive light.


That is what I was thinking.
 
2014-04-07 02:09:09 AM
Had I seen this episode when I was taking Astronomy 101, ( Way, way back in the day), I would be Dr. Sheldon Cooper'ing your asses all day long - However, since Carl Sagan isn't nearly the hunk that NDGT is, my life took an different turn when Adm Grace Hopper gave me this weird boner.....
 
2014-04-07 02:17:22 AM

Fenrisulfr: Had I seen this episode when I was taking Astronomy 101, ( Way, way back in the day), I would be Dr. Sheldon Cooper'ing your asses all day long - However, since Carl Sagan isn't nearly the hunk that NDGT is, my life took an different turn when Adm Grace Hopper gave me this weird boner.....


So, you're a COBOL programmer now?
 
2014-04-07 02:26:25 AM

SansNeural: Fenrisulfr: Had I seen this episode when I was taking Astronomy 101, ( Way, way back in the day), I would be Dr. Sheldon Cooper'ing your asses all day long - However, since Carl Sagan isn't nearly the hunk that NDGT is, my life took an different turn when Adm Grace Hopper gave me this weird boner.....

So, you're a COBOL programmer now?


Dude - That is so old hat - I have moved on to Fortran now and loving it (although I have to admit, I AM dabbling in C at times - OMG! If I do that, you don't think that will be a gateway to Perl or (shudder the thought) Python!?!?!?! My Family would be SO Ashamed....
 
2014-04-07 03:03:23 AM

Fenrisulfr: Had I seen this episode when I was taking Astronomy 101, ( Way, way back in the day), I would be Dr. Sheldon Cooper'ing your asses all day long - However, since Carl Sagan isn't nearly the hunk that NDGT is, my life took an different turn when Adm Grace Hopper gave me this weird boner.....


Well, she was a rear admiral.
 
2014-04-07 06:10:34 AM
Good episode, overall.  But I was thinking he'd mention more about the duality of light- particle vs wave.  Maybe in a future episode?
 
2014-04-07 07:13:02 AM
Anyone point out the projected cave painting should be upside down?
 
2014-04-07 07:59:02 AM

SquiggsIN: Was it a slow thread tonight?  Missed the episode watching 'Girl with the Dragon Tattoo" ... oops.


I think the Game of Thrones thread stole most of Cosmos' audience. There's some overlap there.
 
2014-04-07 08:09:01 AM

nulluspixiusdemonica: This series sucks.

Stupidly light on detail or context, plenty of outdated feel-good blather and seriously diluted science...

What is this.. I don't even...

"Science" for the mentally retarded...


I watched last week's episode, and was thoroughly disappointed that the new version of Cosmos didn't do the actual thought experiment in northern Italy that the old one did, with the motorbike/horse cart and the speed of light being set at 30 or 40 kph (or whatever it was), showing the seemingly paradoxical situations that arise from the fact that the speed of light has a finite limit.

I was expecting that to happen with the woman on the motorcycle, and it never happened.

That's the sort of thing that made the old series engaging to a young mind like mine was at the time.

Also, I found a series of lectures that NDT did called "The Inexplicable Universe" on Netflix last night (I have to watch Cosmos the day after on Fox Now).  They aren't as flashy as "Cosmos" but definitely better content-wise.
 
2014-04-07 08:10:06 AM

Adolf Oliver Nipples: I disagree. This one was more of a history lesson than a science one. The science aspect seemed ancillary to the endless biographies.


The history of science is fascinating! We need more of this, because the Creationists don't understand how we know all this shiat. I'm glad these stories are being told in a way to explain how we came to know what we know. We didn't just pull numbers out of our ass and say "Universe is 13.72 billion years old".... we arrived to that conclusion by analyzing the available evidence. And Cosmos is doing a good job explaining where that evidence came from and how we discovered it.
 
2014-04-07 08:14:04 AM

The Bestest: I'm actually expecting most of the froth to come from the (positive in context) portrayal of the Arabics.


The Arabs had their share of nasty anti-science fundamentalists, too. In fact, you can almost credit the entire downfall of Islamic science and art to one guy: Al Ghazali.
 
2014-04-07 08:29:03 AM

nulluspixiusdemonica: This series sucks.

Stupidly light on detail or context, plenty of outdated feel-good blather and seriously diluted science...

What is this.. I don't even...

"Science" for the mentally retarded...


It's not intended for you. But given that you can't recognize that, maybe it is.
 
2014-04-07 08:31:53 AM

Ishkur: Adolf Oliver Nipples: I disagree. This one was more of a history lesson than a science one. The science aspect seemed ancillary to the endless biographies.

The history of science is fascinating! We need more of this, because the Creationists don't understand how we know all this shiat. I'm glad these stories are being told in a way to explain how we came to know what we know. We didn't just pull numbers out of our ass and say "Universe is 13.72 billion years old".... we arrived to that conclusion by analyzing the available evidence. And Cosmos is doing a good job explaining where that evidence came from and how we discovered it.


I'm probably being unfair. I just thought the biographies ran a lot longer than in previous episodes and wanted them to get down to the nuts and bolts sooner so they had more time to talk about the science aspect of it.
 
2014-04-07 08:42:20 AM

uber humper: I see a downward trend here

discussion threads post count
1st - 413
2nd - 485
3rd - 387
4th - 342
5th - 49 (this time last week it was about 250)

Did Ty piss off Farkers, too?


Game of Thrones was on and this thread wasn't open during the Cosmos opening
 
2014-04-07 08:43:41 AM
I enjoyed the part about the black lines.  I always wondered how they were able to tell what distant stars and planets were made of
 
2014-04-07 08:50:14 AM
Where the hell was this thread last night? 3 of us dirty liters threadjacked the thread below for the episode.

/GJ modmins
 
2014-04-07 09:19:24 AM

Nix Nightbird: You know, I'd be watching this if Fox would put it on Hulu Plus. But they aren't. So I'm not.

If Fox doesn't want the extra viewers, that's their problem.


It's free to view on Fox.com
 
2014-04-07 09:32:18 AM

BKITU: OneDeltaTenTango: I just wonder what part of this weeks Cosmos will get the thumpers knickers in a twist.

Portraying Muslims in a positive light.


Those events took place before the Muslims invented the TEA party.
 
2014-04-07 09:41:53 AM

Adolf Oliver Nipples: Ishkur: Adolf Oliver Nipples: I disagree. This one was more of a history lesson than a science one. The science aspect seemed ancillary to the endless biographies.

The history of science is fascinating! We need more of this, because the Creationists don't understand how we know all this shiat. I'm glad these stories are being told in a way to explain how we came to know what we know. We didn't just pull numbers out of our ass and say "Universe is 13.72 billion years old".... we arrived to that conclusion by analyzing the available evidence. And Cosmos is doing a good job explaining where that evidence came from and how we discovered it.

I'm probably being unfair. I just thought the biographies ran a lot longer than in previous episodes and wanted them to get down to the nuts and bolts sooner so they had more time to talk about the science aspect of it.


NdGT talked about the lines in the spectrum, and how we know what the elements are in the light because of it ...and he mentioned that we we know things are moving away from us because of it, but he didn't explain it. 

I'd have liked for that episode to have explained how the speed of things makes those barcodes in the spectrum shift, like the sound of a police siren goes up or down depending on if the police car is speeding towards you or away from you.

snap.lbl.gov

He could have tied the sound part with the waves (like he did with the organ), and redshift from galaxies using the barcode graphic, together. I already knew it, but putting it together graphically on screen would have been a great demonstration of how we know the universe is expanding.
 
2014-04-07 09:43:26 AM

Great_Milenko: BKITU: OneDeltaTenTango: I just wonder what part of this weeks Cosmos will get the thumpers knickers in a twist.

Portraying Muslims in a positive light.

Those events took place before the Muslims invented the TEA party.


Thanks, Barraco Barner.
 
2014-04-07 09:56:12 AM
I don't get some of the folks that hate on this show.  I find it to be a great educational program.  Of course it's not going to be super in depth, it's a 45 minute long show (give or take) covering a lot of material.  It's not meant to be a lecture, it's meant to expose the average person to science.  It's meant to give a short answer to how we know what we know.  It's meant to inspire people to become curious about the world around them and hopefully do actual science themselves.  Why do some folks find this hard to grasp?

Bah whatever, I enjoy it and I hope other people are enjoying it too.  The haters are gonna hate no matter what.
 
2014-04-07 10:09:30 AM

Fark Griswald: I find it to be a great educational program.


Which is surprising because the actual educational content is Science Light, now with 70% less interesting facts and 14% more Visual Aids for the Mentally Challenged.

Given the hype it enjoys, and having enjoyed the original, this series is coming up meh.
 
2014-04-07 10:51:09 AM

Ishkur: I'm glad these stories are being told in a way to explain how we came to know what we know. We didn't just pull numbers out of our ass and say "Universe is 13.72 billion years old".... we arrived to that conclusion by analyzing the available evidence. And Cosmos is doing a good job explaining where that evidence came from and how we discovered it.


This.

I read a comment somewhere which was a really good explanation of religion and science. It went something like this: imagine there was a murder in the town. Two detectives are put on the job. Detective Science, and Detective Faith.

Detective Science starts with a blank slate. All evidence is weighed. More is collected, more is tested, based on evidence that has so-far been proven. People that can definitely be eliminated as suspects (time lapse video at the bank shows that one of the early front-runners was indeed sat at the diner across the street during the window of opportunity) are not only eliminated as suspects, their evidence of who was in the diner too can be matched with the video and give other alibis credence. Forensic tests on the victim and the weapon can indicate the force needed to commit the crime, eliminating anyone without the strength to carry it out. Evidence can come in many forms: phone company records, hair and cloth fiber fragments, known relationships, overheard statements in front of different people. Eventually, we get closer and closer to the truth. Nobody witnessed the murder take place, but the evidence means we don't need to have had an eye-witness when the facts that exist speak for themselves and help in the pursuit of truth, the pursuit to unravel the mystery.

Detective Faith was always told, growing up, that it's Chinese people that murder like that. There aren't any Chinese people in town, but there is a Thai family. Close enough, thinks the detective, one of them did it. So Detective Faith will ignore all evidence that points to other people, and will hold on to anything that can be used to strengthen the case against one of the Thai family. He has already been told all he needs to know about the killer, that's good enough for him. Evidence comes in the form he's been told it comes in. It turns out this family flew to visit family near Bangkok a few years ago and the flight back had a layover in Hong Kong for three hours. THAT'S IN CHINA. Definitely a lead...

Science adjusts its beliefs based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that belief can be preserved.
 
2014-04-07 11:05:47 AM

Jackpot777: He could have tied the sound part with the waves (like he did with the organ), and redshift from galaxies using the barcode graphic, together. I already knew it, but putting it together graphically on screen would have been a great demonstration of how we know the universe is expanding.


I'm expecting that in a future episode. I squee'd at the reference to redshift but was fully cognizant that it was 9:59.
 
2014-04-07 11:52:27 AM

RminusQ: Jackpot777: He could have tied the sound part with the waves (like he did with the organ), and redshift from galaxies using the barcode graphic, together. I already knew it, but putting it together graphically on screen would have been a great demonstration of how we know the universe is expanding.

I'm expecting that in a future episode. I squee'd at the reference to redshift but was fully cognizant that it was 9:59.


It was also mentioned that  Joseph Von Fraunhofer's death in 1826 wouldinconvenience someone a hundred years later... but I don't think it was said who was inconvenienced. So I hope they go back to it.
 
2014-04-07 12:02:35 PM
DVR'd it. Is this one a farking cartoon like the others?
 
2014-04-07 12:05:35 PM
Just watched it today... Avs were playing... gotta prioritize.
 
2014-04-07 12:40:33 PM

RminusQ: Nix Nightbird: You know, I'd be watching this if Fox would put it on Hulu Plus. But they aren't. So I'm not.

If Fox doesn't want the extra viewers, that's their problem.

It's free to view on Fox.com


I'm talking about easy solutions on my Roku or Xbox. Yes, I have my PC connected to my projector, but I'm not going out of my way to watch Cosmos. I'm not that big a fan of NDT, and while I am a fan of science, I'm not so much a fan that I can't wait until the series ends up on Netflix or Amazon to binge-watch it.

I suppose I could check to see if the Fox plugin on Plex works, but I know the FoxNow app on Roku won't work because Comcast blocks it, and while the one on Xbox 360 isn't blocked, it is glitchy and tends to forget my credentials halfway through a show, followed by logging me out and requiring me to uninstall then reinstall the app.

And I could torrent it, but again, it's a show I only kind of care about. If it were there for casual viewing on Hulu Plus, I'd watch it. It's not, so I wait. Fox is missing an opportunity to hit casual viewers here, and that's their problem. I'm not going to go to the effort to make it mine.
 
2014-04-07 12:48:52 PM

Nix Nightbird: Fox is missing an opportunity to hit casual viewers here, and that's their problem.


No, it's yours. The casual viewer is already watching it over the air or on cable. Not everybody runs a technology octopus like you.
 
2014-04-07 01:01:17 PM

nulluspixiusdemonica: Fark Griswald: I find it to be a great educational program.

Which is surprising because the actual educational content is Science Light, now with 70% less interesting facts and 14% more Visual Aids for the Mentally Challenged.

Given the hype it enjoys, and having enjoyed the original, this series is coming up meh.


Science light is a hell of a lot better than science free which is what pretty much what all of the other prime time shows are.  I'm not exactly sure what you were expecting.  It was never going to be the exact same show as the first Cosmos because the landscape is completely different now that is was in 1980.  This show isn't just competing with other terrestrial shows.  It's competing with them, cable, internet streaming, DVD's, whatever, in addition to hundreds of other science shows out there.

Don't get me wrong, I love the original still but I gave up trying to compare this show to the original in its first episode.  They're just different shows.  I'm appreciating NDT's version for what it is.
 
2014-04-07 01:28:59 PM

Fark Griswald: This show isn't just competing with other terrestrial shows. It's competing with them, cable, internet streaming, DVD's, whatever, in addition to hundreds of other science shows out there.


There are a lot of shows. Tyson is competing with Brian Greene, Brian Cox, and even Sam Neil of all people in creating a popular, engaging science education documentary series. There are tons of science documentaries out there, most of them heavy on CGI and discombobulated baritone-voiced narrators. In order for Tyson to stand out, he has to evoke the same sense of wonder that Sagan did with the same poetic eloquence. I don't think he's quite achieving that (Brian Cox is better at it), but the series is entertaining for what it is.
 
2014-04-07 02:32:27 PM

Ishkur: Fark Griswald: This show isn't just competing with other terrestrial shows. It's competing with them, cable, internet streaming, DVD's, whatever, in addition to hundreds of other science shows out there.

There are a lot of shows. Tyson is competing with Brian Greene, Brian Cox, and even Sam Neil of all people in creating a popular, engaging science education documentary series. There are tons of science documentaries out there, most of them heavy on CGI and discombobulated baritone-voiced narrators. In order for Tyson to stand out, he has to evoke the same sense of wonder that Sagan did with the same poetic eloquence. I don't think he's quite achieving that (Brian Cox is better at it), but the series is entertaining for what it is.


This series just falls orders of magnitude short of the original. I can handle heavy CGI, but they are employing huge amounts of poorly animated cartoons dang it. And Sagan didn't affect a sense of wonder in his voice, it was always there.  That is just the way he spoke.  Tyson is much more impressive when he is speaking extemporaneously.  His genius just flows naturally and it is easy to get caught up in his fervor.  But when he is reading from a script and 'acting' he comes across somehow phony.  It feels as if he wants to be Barry White more than Sagan.

They should not have been allowed to call this 'Cosmos'
 
2014-04-07 02:41:42 PM

Nix Nightbird: I'm talking about easy solutions on my Roku or Xbox. Yes, I have my PC connected to my projector, but I'm not going out of my way to watch Cosmos. I'm not that big a fan of NDT, and while I am a fan of science, I'm not so much a fan that I can't wait until the series ends up on Netflix or Amazon to binge-watch it.


Problem is, Comos IS on Hulu Plus, just not allowed to be watched on the 360's version of Hulu Plus. It's dumb. I know. I don't even know why Hulu even displays half their inventory on the 360, since when you go to watch it, it says "this video is not available". Whatever. I get it, contracts and whatnot say you can't have it shown on consoles, but at least don't farking tease me by saying "yep, I have it, and no you can't watch it".

I suggest checking out PlayOn. Worth a shot, easy to use.

It lets me watch any Hulu Plus shows on my 360 (and not just the slim selection that they allow for the 360, since it streams it from the PC), the multitude of file formats that my video files are in, and can stream from a huge list of sites, both free and ones that you may have a subscription to (including Fox.com). The setup was quite easy, and I haven't had to make any adjustments or changes at all to it since I installed it a couple years ago, since it auto-scans my selected folders for new video files.
 
2014-04-07 03:58:22 PM
Episode re-airing right now on NGW.  Let's roll!
 
2014-04-07 04:50:46 PM
We'll be watching this tonight (yeah, we had to choose GoT over it, I hate the timing of it).  Don't know why they decided to put it up against a juggernaut...I guess they thought it would get crushed anyway.
 
2014-04-07 05:00:59 PM

SquiggsIN: Episode re-airing right now on NGW.  Let's roll!


I was wrong, they re-aired Episode 3 instead of 5.  Now they are playing Ep4.  I'll have to wait until 9pm to catch last night's episode.
 
2014-04-08 02:23:48 AM

Nix Nightbird: You know, I'd be watching this if Fox would put it on Hulu Plus. But they aren't. So I'm not.

If Fox doesn't want the extra viewers, that's their problem.


http://www.cosmosontv.com/

..if no-one has mentioned, yet..
 
2014-04-08 03:06:02 AM

ltdanman44: I enjoyed the part about the black lines.  I always wondered how they were able to tell what distant stars and planets were made of


What's cute is it works both ways. Light coming at you in a cold (not glowing hot) gas cloud will be missing certain colors of light that tend to go sideways upon absorption. If you take the other example of light that isn't aimed at you hits a gas cloud getting it hot enough to glow hot the "omitted lines" are seen against a backdrop of the absence of the bulk of the light.

The emission spectrum (bright lines on a dark background) is also how you get very specific lines of light out of materials. Monochromatic LEDs, sodium lamps, lasers, etc.
 
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