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2014-04-06 11:03:52 PM  

Dimensio: uber humper: I see a downward trend here

discussion threads post count
1st - 413
2nd - 485
3rd - 387
4th - 342
5th - 49 (this time last week it was about 250)

Did Ty piss off Farkers, too?

No, though perhaps Dr. Tyson upset one of the Fark modmins.


yea, I see now it was posted a bit late.
 
2014-04-06 11:16:54 PM  
You know, I'd be watching this if Fox would put it on Hulu Plus. But they aren't. So I'm not.

If Fox doesn't want the extra viewers, that's their problem.
 
2014-04-06 11:25:52 PM  

trekkiecougar: I am so enjoying this series, I love the refresher course of science.....makes me feel like a youngster at the grandparent's house, watching Mutual of Omaha's "Wild Kingdom" and then "Wonderful World of Disney" on vacation Sunday evenings.

/and NdGT is giving me a few delicious shivers (intelligent men turn me on)
//yeah get off my lawn


Mi lawn es su lawn.

/Marlin Perkins and Jim Fowler FTW!
 
2014-04-06 11:26:02 PM  

Nix Nightbird: You know, I'd be watching this if Fox would put it on Hulu Plus. But they aren't. So I'm not.

If Fox doesn't want the extra viewers, that's their problem.


Aereo?
 
2014-04-06 11:36:29 PM  

uber humper: I see a downward trend here

discussion threads post count
1st - 413
2nd - 485
3rd - 387
4th - 342
5th - 49 (this time last week it was about 250)

Did Ty piss off Farkers, too?


Nope, Game of Thrones  is back on at the same time so "Fark yeah, science!" will get trumped by "Fark yeah, boobies!". I'm guessing this won't be good for ratings.
 
2014-04-06 11:56:48 PM  
Science is telling me that greening a live discussion thread an hour and a half late might be a bad idea.
 
2014-04-07 12:00:52 AM  

Dimensio: I am also disappointed that no Fark discussion was available while the episode aired, especially when the episode was significantly stronger than the episode that aired last week.


I disagree. This one was more of a history lesson than a science one. The science aspect seemed ancillary to the endless biographies.
 
2014-04-07 12:07:29 AM  

falseidols: uber humper: I see a downward trend here

discussion threads post count
1st - 413
2nd - 485
3rd - 387
4th - 342
5th - 49 (this time last week it was about 250)

Did Ty piss off Farkers, too?

Nope, Game of Thrones  is back on at the same time so "Fark yeah, science!" will get trumped by "Fark yeah, boobies!". I'm guessing this won't be good for ratings.


Same time as River Monsters too.  Why would you start your new series the same night as GoT??? Why??
 
2014-04-07 12:10:26 AM  
I enjoyed about 60% of it when my father-in-law wasn't annoying me with PC-vs-Mac questions. My favorite bit was how infrared was discovered. That was awesome.
 
2014-04-07 12:12:43 AM  

Adolf Oliver Nipples: Dimensio: I am also disappointed that no Fark discussion was available while the episode aired, especially when the episode was significantly stronger than the episode that aired last week.

I disagree. This one was more of a history lesson than a science one. The science aspect seemed ancillary to the endless biographies.


Most of the episodes are more "history of science" than "here's a bunch of raw numbers with no context". I like it. YMMV
 
2014-04-07 12:12:54 AM  

farkingismybusiness: Science is telling me that greening a live discussion thread an hour and a half late might be a bad idea.


It still left plenty of time for those of us on the west coast. I haven't understood why these threads don't get more participation when the show comes on in other time zones.
 
2014-04-07 12:17:36 AM  

cyberspacedout: I haven't understood why these threads don't get more participation when the show comes on in other time zones.


Probably because people feel like the thread is big already and their replies won't be seen....
 
2014-04-07 12:17:42 AM  

cyberspacedout: farkingismybusiness: Science is telling me that greening a live discussion thread an hour and a half late might be a bad idea.

It still left plenty of time for those of us on the west coast. I haven't understood why these threads don't get more participation when the show comes on in other time zones.


because EASTSIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIDE, BYOTCH!
 
2014-04-07 12:40:11 AM  
Got a torrent going, but since I'm on the west coast (temporarily) just I tuned in a few minutes ago. Lovely commercials.  Dominoes Pizza [barf].

Pipe organ action, remedial intro to wavelengths and spectrum.  Building to red/blue-shift discussion?  Only the people posting BBQ pics and so on know...
 
2014-04-07 12:44:59 AM  
Ah, segue to basics of astrophysics.

Keeping the commercial reporting up to date:

gerbel adverting Sprint
Red Bull
Taco Hell with Ronald McDonalds
(missed one short one)
Ford Escape
ATT Uverse
Jack in the Box (stupid tattoo)
 
2014-04-07 12:46:29 AM  
OK, he's back and still discussing basics of spectrum.
 
2014-04-07 12:49:55 AM  
After viewing this episode I shall now hold my breath waiting for a thousand articles to be written complaining that the first emperor of China was unfairly portrayed and didn't burn books and bury people alive because he was anti-science.
 
2014-04-07 12:50:08 AM  
Nice.  Describing Bohr's model, electron orbits.  Good stuff for the kids.
 
2014-04-07 12:54:20 AM  
Ah, back to the astrophysics applications of spectral analysis

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2014-04-07 12:54:23 AM  

aurorous: After viewing this episode I shall now hold my breath waiting for a thousand articles to be written complaining that the first emperor of China was unfairly portrayed and didn't burn books and bury people alive because he was anti-science.


I'm actually expecting most of the froth to come from the (positive in context) portrayal of the Arabics.
 
2014-04-07 12:57:24 AM  
DARK MATER!
 
2014-04-07 01:02:34 AM  
And it's over.  And missed the first half and there's 3 more hours of sucking the hotel's bandwidth teat before the torrent is done.

Good news is Fox says they have confirmed the Orange Box pings from Malasia flight 370.

Well, that's all I have to say.  Good night, cosmos.
 
2014-04-07 01:03:30 AM  
Golf clap for clever use of the piece Rhapsody In Blue.
 
2014-04-07 01:04:18 AM  
I just wonder what part of this weeks Cosmos will get the thumpers knickers in a twist.
 
2014-04-07 01:05:28 AM  
This was the best episode yet. I hope people who felt that the earlier episodes were too light on real science tuned in tonight--he just introduced the general public to Fraunhoffer lines!

/As a musicologist married to someone who up until very recently worked for an infrared company, I felt like this episode was just for me.
//Oh, and some bits about questioning everything thrown in for good measure. Seriously, this was the best yet!
 
2014-04-07 01:08:13 AM  
This series sucks.

Stupidly light on detail or context, plenty of outdated feel-good blather and seriously diluted science...

What is this.. I don't even...

"Science" for the mentally retarded...
 
2014-04-07 01:12:12 AM  

OneDeltaTenTango: I just wonder what part of this weeks Cosmos will get the thumpers knickers in a twist.


Portraying Muslims in a positive light.
 
2014-04-07 01:12:59 AM  

Forty-Two: This was the best episode yet. I hope people who felt that the earlier episodes were too light on real science tuned in tonight--he just introduced the general public to Fraunhoffer lines!

/As a musicologist


Hemholtz, On the Sensations of Tone, fastinating stuff, if a bit dry at times.

married to someone who up until very recently worked for an infrared company, I felt like this episode was just for me.
//Oh, and some bits about questioning everything thrown in for good measure. Seriously, this was the best yet!


Sounds like another company just got bought by FLIR.  Congrats.
 
2014-04-07 01:14:45 AM  
The Creationists aren't going to react this time. They've already written it off as atheist propaganda.
 
2014-04-07 01:16:16 AM  

SansNeural: Forty-Two: This was the best episode yet. I hope people who felt that the earlier episodes were too light on real science tuned in tonight--he just introduced the general public to Fraunhoffer lines!

/As a musicologist

Hemholtz, On the Sensations of Tone, fastinating stuff, if a bit dry at times.

married to someone who up until very recently worked for an infrared company, I felt like this episode was just for me.
//Oh, and some bits about questioning everything thrown in for good measure. Seriously, this was the best yet!

Sounds like another company just got bought by FLIR.  Congrats.


No, I left FLIR. Fun company. Pays like shiat.
 
2014-04-07 01:17:52 AM  

nulluspixiusdemonica: This series sucks.

Stupidly light on detail or context, plenty of outdated feel-good blather and seriously diluted science...

What is this.. I don't even...

"Science" for the mentally retarded...


Imagine, if you will, a universe where there are people who are young, inexperienced and uneducated, yet who have minds are are plastic, malleable and open to learning.

You seem to be not of that universe.  Go away, alien.
 
2014-04-07 01:31:42 AM  

BKITU: OneDeltaTenTango: I just wonder what part of this weeks Cosmos will get the thumpers knickers in a twist.

Portraying Muslims in a positive light.


That is what I was thinking.
 
2014-04-07 02:09:09 AM  
Had I seen this episode when I was taking Astronomy 101, ( Way, way back in the day), I would be Dr. Sheldon Cooper'ing your asses all day long - However, since Carl Sagan isn't nearly the hunk that NDGT is, my life took an different turn when Adm Grace Hopper gave me this weird boner.....
 
2014-04-07 02:17:22 AM  

Fenrisulfr: Had I seen this episode when I was taking Astronomy 101, ( Way, way back in the day), I would be Dr. Sheldon Cooper'ing your asses all day long - However, since Carl Sagan isn't nearly the hunk that NDGT is, my life took an different turn when Adm Grace Hopper gave me this weird boner.....


So, you're a COBOL programmer now?
 
2014-04-07 02:26:25 AM  

SansNeural: Fenrisulfr: Had I seen this episode when I was taking Astronomy 101, ( Way, way back in the day), I would be Dr. Sheldon Cooper'ing your asses all day long - However, since Carl Sagan isn't nearly the hunk that NDGT is, my life took an different turn when Adm Grace Hopper gave me this weird boner.....

So, you're a COBOL programmer now?


Dude - That is so old hat - I have moved on to Fortran now and loving it (although I have to admit, I AM dabbling in C at times - OMG! If I do that, you don't think that will be a gateway to Perl or (shudder the thought) Python!?!?!?! My Family would be SO Ashamed....
 
2014-04-07 03:03:23 AM  

Fenrisulfr: Had I seen this episode when I was taking Astronomy 101, ( Way, way back in the day), I would be Dr. Sheldon Cooper'ing your asses all day long - However, since Carl Sagan isn't nearly the hunk that NDGT is, my life took an different turn when Adm Grace Hopper gave me this weird boner.....


Well, she was a rear admiral.
 
2014-04-07 06:10:34 AM  
Good episode, overall.  But I was thinking he'd mention more about the duality of light- particle vs wave.  Maybe in a future episode?
 
2014-04-07 07:13:02 AM  
Anyone point out the projected cave painting should be upside down?
 
2014-04-07 07:59:02 AM  

SquiggsIN: Was it a slow thread tonight?  Missed the episode watching 'Girl with the Dragon Tattoo" ... oops.


I think the Game of Thrones thread stole most of Cosmos' audience. There's some overlap there.
 
2014-04-07 08:09:01 AM  

nulluspixiusdemonica: This series sucks.

Stupidly light on detail or context, plenty of outdated feel-good blather and seriously diluted science...

What is this.. I don't even...

"Science" for the mentally retarded...


I watched last week's episode, and was thoroughly disappointed that the new version of Cosmos didn't do the actual thought experiment in northern Italy that the old one did, with the motorbike/horse cart and the speed of light being set at 30 or 40 kph (or whatever it was), showing the seemingly paradoxical situations that arise from the fact that the speed of light has a finite limit.

I was expecting that to happen with the woman on the motorcycle, and it never happened.

That's the sort of thing that made the old series engaging to a young mind like mine was at the time.

Also, I found a series of lectures that NDT did called "The Inexplicable Universe" on Netflix last night (I have to watch Cosmos the day after on Fox Now).  They aren't as flashy as "Cosmos" but definitely better content-wise.
 
2014-04-07 08:10:06 AM  

Adolf Oliver Nipples: I disagree. This one was more of a history lesson than a science one. The science aspect seemed ancillary to the endless biographies.


The history of science is fascinating! We need more of this, because the Creationists don't understand how we know all this shiat. I'm glad these stories are being told in a way to explain how we came to know what we know. We didn't just pull numbers out of our ass and say "Universe is 13.72 billion years old".... we arrived to that conclusion by analyzing the available evidence. And Cosmos is doing a good job explaining where that evidence came from and how we discovered it.
 
2014-04-07 08:14:04 AM  

The Bestest: I'm actually expecting most of the froth to come from the (positive in context) portrayal of the Arabics.


The Arabs had their share of nasty anti-science fundamentalists, too. In fact, you can almost credit the entire downfall of Islamic science and art to one guy: Al Ghazali.
 
2014-04-07 08:29:03 AM  

nulluspixiusdemonica: This series sucks.

Stupidly light on detail or context, plenty of outdated feel-good blather and seriously diluted science...

What is this.. I don't even...

"Science" for the mentally retarded...


It's not intended for you. But given that you can't recognize that, maybe it is.
 
2014-04-07 08:31:53 AM  

Ishkur: Adolf Oliver Nipples: I disagree. This one was more of a history lesson than a science one. The science aspect seemed ancillary to the endless biographies.

The history of science is fascinating! We need more of this, because the Creationists don't understand how we know all this shiat. I'm glad these stories are being told in a way to explain how we came to know what we know. We didn't just pull numbers out of our ass and say "Universe is 13.72 billion years old".... we arrived to that conclusion by analyzing the available evidence. And Cosmos is doing a good job explaining where that evidence came from and how we discovered it.


I'm probably being unfair. I just thought the biographies ran a lot longer than in previous episodes and wanted them to get down to the nuts and bolts sooner so they had more time to talk about the science aspect of it.
 
2014-04-07 08:42:20 AM  

uber humper: I see a downward trend here

discussion threads post count
1st - 413
2nd - 485
3rd - 387
4th - 342
5th - 49 (this time last week it was about 250)

Did Ty piss off Farkers, too?


Game of Thrones was on and this thread wasn't open during the Cosmos opening
 
2014-04-07 08:43:41 AM  
I enjoyed the part about the black lines.  I always wondered how they were able to tell what distant stars and planets were made of
 
2014-04-07 08:50:14 AM  
Where the hell was this thread last night? 3 of us dirty liters threadjacked the thread below for the episode.

/GJ modmins
 
2014-04-07 09:19:24 AM  

Nix Nightbird: You know, I'd be watching this if Fox would put it on Hulu Plus. But they aren't. So I'm not.

If Fox doesn't want the extra viewers, that's their problem.


It's free to view on Fox.com
 
2014-04-07 09:32:18 AM  

BKITU: OneDeltaTenTango: I just wonder what part of this weeks Cosmos will get the thumpers knickers in a twist.

Portraying Muslims in a positive light.


Those events took place before the Muslims invented the TEA party.
 
2014-04-07 09:41:53 AM  

Adolf Oliver Nipples: Ishkur: Adolf Oliver Nipples: I disagree. This one was more of a history lesson than a science one. The science aspect seemed ancillary to the endless biographies.

The history of science is fascinating! We need more of this, because the Creationists don't understand how we know all this shiat. I'm glad these stories are being told in a way to explain how we came to know what we know. We didn't just pull numbers out of our ass and say "Universe is 13.72 billion years old".... we arrived to that conclusion by analyzing the available evidence. And Cosmos is doing a good job explaining where that evidence came from and how we discovered it.

I'm probably being unfair. I just thought the biographies ran a lot longer than in previous episodes and wanted them to get down to the nuts and bolts sooner so they had more time to talk about the science aspect of it.


NdGT talked about the lines in the spectrum, and how we know what the elements are in the light because of it ...and he mentioned that we we know things are moving away from us because of it, but he didn't explain it. 

I'd have liked for that episode to have explained how the speed of things makes those barcodes in the spectrum shift, like the sound of a police siren goes up or down depending on if the police car is speeding towards you or away from you.

snap.lbl.gov

He could have tied the sound part with the waves (like he did with the organ), and redshift from galaxies using the barcode graphic, together. I already knew it, but putting it together graphically on screen would have been a great demonstration of how we know the universe is expanding.
 
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