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(News 12 Westchester)   Teen suspended from school for twirling pencil. WHEN WILL THE MADNESS END?   (newjersey.news12.com) divider line 113
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2014-04-06 11:35:28 PM
Obviously when people stop twirling pencils, subby
 
2014-04-06 11:42:19 PM
Seventh-grader Ethan Chaplin has been home from school for two days after getting in trouble in math class. He says he was just twisting around a pencil with a pen cap on it when a student behind him yelled, "He's making gun motions, send him to juvie."

Ethan says the other student had bullied him earlier in the day, and was now trying to retaliate. But the school told Ethan he was suspended, until he learns what "retaliate" means.
 
2014-04-06 11:48:35 PM
stream1.gifsoup.com
 
2014-04-07 12:01:44 AM
Seems like we're living in a Golden Age for students who hate school.
 
2014-04-07 01:03:18 AM
Fat, stupid, and twirling pencils is no way to go through life, son...
 
2014-04-07 01:18:43 AM
Please tell me this is just another Onion wannabe website....


please.....


even if you're lying.....
 
2014-04-07 02:46:37 AM
Not having a kid in school or anything...

Does "suspension" still mean the same thing it did when I was in school? Like, loss of grades for all the work you're not allowed complete while suspended, etc.

The way they pass out suspension -- which used to be a pretty serious punishment back in my get off my lawn day -- in the news, does it still have the same impact it used to?
 
2014-04-07 04:14:47 AM
Good god we're a nation full of infected pussies. What would happen should pencil fighting come back? A couple weeks in jail? Rehab? I wish, for once, the parents of some similarly farked over kid would sue the school district to bankruptcy. I know there's no such thing, but farking hell, these farks should burn.
 
2014-04-07 04:15:21 AM
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" Give 'im what for wif a bit of 'ickory, sir!  He was making a gun sign!
 
2014-04-07 04:24:27 AM
Man, zero-tolerance policies make it really, really easy to do some real damage as a bully.  Just wait until a few days before a test, make a spurious but vague accusation so it can't backlash on you as an actual lie as such... cause the target of your bullying to  automatically fail.

That's... really, really farkin' terrible.
 
mhd
2014-04-07 04:28:37 AM
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"Suspension"?
 
2014-04-07 04:34:09 AM

Lenny_da_Hog: Not having a kid in school or anything...

Does "suspension" still mean the same thing it did when I was in school? Like, loss of grades for all the work you're not allowed complete while suspended, etc.

The way they pass out suspension -- which used to be a pretty serious punishment back in my get off my lawn day -- in the news, does it still have the same impact it used to?


They usually leave it up to the teacher these days depending on the severity. Suspended twice in junior high school circa 2002. First instance I stood up to a kid bullying me by pushing him away from me and he sucker punched me. Second I brought a paintball trigger frame to sell to my friend before school. First one was bullshiat second one I deserved. Basically free days off. A teacher also attempted to get me suspended for saying "damn it". Come to think of it I spent a lot of time in the office.
 
2014-04-07 04:35:01 AM
cdn.firearmstalk.com
 
2014-04-07 04:37:24 AM
The link to the article doesn't work for me
I bet s/he clicks pens too
Click Click Click

ClickClick!
 
2014-04-07 04:41:29 AM

offmymeds: [cdn.firearmstalk.com image 480x334]


Is that is an AK-47, special model HB?
 
2014-04-07 04:41:55 AM

Lenny_da_Hog: Not having a kid in school or anything...

Does "suspension" still mean the same thing it did when I was in school? Like, loss of grades for all the work you're not allowed complete while suspended, etc.

The way they pass out suspension -- which used to be a pretty serious punishment back in my get off my lawn day -- in the news, does it still have the same impact it used to?


The two districts I've been in, you have to make up the work when you get back. And they count as absenses. If you're absent more than 10 days a year you get summer school and/or held back a grade. So if you wasted your vacation on a flu and got suspended for vomiting on a teacher, you get to do it again next year.
 
2014-04-07 04:47:52 AM
The only way to stop a bad kid with a pencil is a good kid with a pencil.
 
2014-04-07 04:50:32 AM
I bet the kid has been a disruptive fellow for a while, I bet the math teacher was exhausted, I bet the principal is a weak leader, and I bet the father never set boundaries. Four individuals. One millennial poster child.
 
2014-04-07 05:04:18 AM
Is it too soon to discuss pencil control legislation?
 
2014-04-07 05:05:33 AM
I actually stabbed a kid with a pencil in forth grade. As part of my "talk" with the principal, he said "he could get lead poisoning". Correcting your principal with fourth grade knowledge earned extra licks from the paddle in the late 80s.
 
2014-04-07 05:11:24 AM
Ethan says the other student had bullied him earlier in the day, and was now trying to retaliate.

*scratches head*
 
2014-04-07 05:15:26 AM
also, I'm not saying the kid should be suspended, but he's lying about "only twirling his pencil".

most american males who's ever been a seventh grader would instantly see in the video where bent the clip part of the pen cap down to make the handle of his "gun".

I am 100% correct on this and have years and years of making pencil/pen guns, space ships, rocket launchers, telescopes, etc.. to back it up.
 
2014-04-07 05:16:05 AM

wildcardjack: I actually stabbed a kid with a pencil in forth grade. As part of my "talk" with the principal, he said "he could get lead poisoning". Correcting your principal with fourth grade knowledge earned extra licks from the paddle in the late 80s.


I got stabbed by a pencil in the fourth grade. Is your name Adam??? Either way I'm glad and I hope that paddlin' really hurt, you jerk.
 
2014-04-07 05:17:16 AM

log_jammin: also, I'm not saying the kid should be suspended, but he's lying about "only twirling his pencil".

most american males who's ever been a seventh grader would instantly see in the video where bent the clip part of the pen cap down to make the handle of his "gun".

I am 100% correct on this and have years and years of making pencil/pen guns, space ships, rocket launchers, telescopes, etc.. to back it up.


I bend my pen caps down too but it's just from fiddling and fidgeting, not pretending it's a gun.
 
2014-04-07 05:19:29 AM

Fafai: I bend my pen caps down too but it's just from fiddling and fidgeting, not pretending it's a gun.


you're an outlier.
 
2014-04-07 05:21:34 AM
No. 4 for the win!!!!!!

If only outlaws carry pecils, etc. etc. etc.
 
2014-04-07 05:29:06 AM

Lenny_da_Hog: Not having a kid in school or anything...

Does "suspension" still mean the same thing it did when I was in school? Like, loss of grades for all the work you're not allowed complete while suspended, etc.

The way they pass out suspension -- which used to be a pretty serious punishment back in my get off my lawn day -- in the news, does it still have the same impact it used to?


  nope. my first grader, starting the from the first week, was suspended at least one day a week, a couple of times even twice in same week. once he and another boy were suspended for throwing a french fry in the lunchroom - into the garbage can, instead of getting up from their seat and putting it in. this went on for a good month or so before we really looked into why he was being singled out. apparently it was not just him, its just what they do for discipline now with all seven-year-olds (unless someone gets hurt, then they call the police to handle it). i literally missed half my work days some weeks picking him up.
  if there is any disruption, no matter how minor, out they go. its that simple, no questions. there is just no time in overloaded classes for teachers to deal with a kid making noises, or drawing in class, or otherwise slowing the perfectly smooth operation of things at a half-staffed school. it only barely operates as it is thanks to most all the non-teaching positions (and even some of the in-class ones) filled in by parent volunteers - and we live in a wealthy area. thanks anti-tax morons.

/my kid is in another school now, we moved him pretty fast. luckily we could afford it, most can't unfortunately.
 
2014-04-07 05:32:43 AM

Ivan the Tolerable: suspended for throwing a french fry in the lunchroom - into the garbage can, instead of getting up from their seat and putting it in.


That's outrageous. I can't believe that actually happened. How does it feel to be a failure as a parent? Hopefully your kid learned his lesson.
 
2014-04-07 05:37:39 AM
 
2014-04-07 05:38:57 AM
I was expecting to read that the kid had done something like stick a paperclip into the eraser end and then wave it around in someone's face.

This? This is just stupid.
 
2014-04-07 05:54:52 AM
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Arrest him occifer
 
2014-04-07 06:01:50 AM

Fafai: Hopefully your kid learned his lesson.


not quite yet, as he is still only 7. but, the good news is that he is at least starting to question the validity of certain authority figures, and he realizes he is already smarter than some he has encountered, so he did at least learn -something- valuable in his short time at that school.
 
2014-04-07 06:02:33 AM
Reading stories like this really makes me wonder if the aim of zero tolerance isn't to teach kids to be even more afraid of guns or anything to do with them. I remember we made (very, very crude) guns during workshop class in elementary school and spent the next 2 months having all out pretend wars during recess. Or hell. I attended a specialized school for electrotechnics and at some point it was considered good manners to bring an airsoft gun to school so we could actually utilized the safety goggles we were given for lab work. Granted we were 16 years old at this point but still.
Getting suspended for making gun shapes or pretend guns is so stupid it hurts to read.
 
2014-04-07 06:03:01 AM
The pencil was loaded with lead.
 
2014-04-07 06:13:28 AM
If they'd had today's zero tolerance when I was in HS, I might never have spent a single day in school.
 
2014-04-07 06:18:54 AM
I have a kid with an IEP, so you know right off there's a problem.  He prefers In-School Suspension.  We found this out after his second visit to ISS.  When he's in ISS, he gets an entire adult all to himself, his work gets done with immediate feed-back, and he develops the school cred of being a fighter.  The school cred of being Wee Todd Did doesn't get him any girls, but a fighter who stands up to everybody does.

The kid has developed jungle survival skills, while having no concept of boundaries.  I'm thinking CEO material.
 
2014-04-07 06:24:06 AM
No wonder an occasional student goes off the deep end. If I had to spend day after day in the Kafka-esque nightmare that is modern public school, I'd probably start having revenge fantasies too. Seems like the administration is probably encouraging some of the very behavior they're ostensibly trying to prevent.
 
2014-04-07 06:29:39 AM
Stories like this just makes the anti-homeschool crowd look like bigger douches.

The folks who run our schools are complete morons, and no wonder our public schools are crap
 
2014-04-07 06:33:03 AM

log_jammin: Ethan says the other student had bullied him earlier in the day, and was now trying to retaliate.

*scratches head*


*scratches balls*
 
2014-04-07 06:34:20 AM

HindiDiscoMonster: August11: I bet the kid has been a disruptive fellow for a while, I bet the math teacher was exhausted, I bet the principal is a weak leader, and I bet the father never set boundaries. Four individuals. One millennial poster child.

Don't assign intelligence to zero tolerance... it will only frustrate you.

I bet this happened exactly as in the article. We have seen far too much unintelligent bullshiat coming from school administration/teachers in recent memory to come up with anything other than it being the school's derp squad working in full force.


Aggreed on zero tolerance. The math teacher was not mentioned, but he or she is a big part of this. I'm thinking her role was not so much zero tolerance as it was exhaustion. Teaching some of these kids has got to be the toughest job in the world. Full emotional exhaustion.

I laugh at people who casually say they might go into teaching as though it is picking a hobby. Teaching consistently and well is tough. Making strong, emotionless decisions in class is really tough. More of a talent really. You must be one tough cookie to teach. And I've laid tile for a living.
 
2014-04-07 06:35:15 AM

Satanus Maximus: log_jammin: Ethan says the other student had bullied him earlier in the day, and was now trying to retaliate.

*scratches head*

*scratches balls*


stop scratching my balls.
 
2014-04-07 06:36:33 AM
What the hell? I've been out of school 10 years now, and almost every day I hear about some kid getting suspended/expelled because of stupid crap like this. Did the system really decay that much in just a decade?
 
2014-04-07 06:39:12 AM

jshine: No wonder an occasional student goes off the deep end. If I had to spend day after day in the Kafka-esque nightmare that is modern public school, I'd probably start having revenge fantasies too. Seems like the administration is probably encouraging some of the very behavior they're ostensibly trying to prevent.


undoubtedly they are encouraging it. put any person under an unevenly applied and often abusive arbitrary authority, and do it long enough until they feel they are entirely powerless and entirely voiceless, and you are going to get extreme reactions. whether its suicide, homicide, or escape through drugs or psychosis, there is no good ending to a child exposed to that.
 
2014-04-07 06:40:23 AM
Inform one am proud of that school district for taking progressive efforts to make sure that no one in that school should ever feel the slightest bit uncomfortable by the actions of another child while being compassionate enough to make sure that all children have access to mental health resources, whether they wan them or not.

All children should be given psychological exams by age 10 so we can weed out the crazies.
 
2014-04-07 06:47:57 AM

HindiDiscoMonster: poodle's core: Reading stories like this really makes me wonder if the aim of zero tolerance isn't to teach kids to be even more afraid of guns or anything to do with them. I remember we made (very, very crude) guns during workshop class in elementary school and spent the next 2 months having all out pretend wars during recess. Or hell. I attended a specialized school for electrotechnics and at some point it was considered good manners to bring an airsoft gun to school so we could actually utilized the safety goggles we were given for lab work. Granted we were 16 years old at this point but still.
Getting suspended for making gun shapes or pretend guns is so stupid it hurts to read.

This is precisely what I think. I believe that the only way to disarm the populace is to start teaching them that guns = evil. This way, people will naturally not purchase guns as they grow up... it will take a couple of generations, but the same goal is achieved... an unarmed populous... and an unarmed populous is much easier to control. There will of course be those from the derp brigade that say that is all paranoia, but potato this and potato that... sometimes you have to step back and look at the bigger picture of where things are headed.

/I don't own a gun incidentally.


Wow so you think guns are not only evil, but you also want a population of easily herded sheep? For your information, guns are not bad, only certain people make them bad. I own a few guns. I also have 10 years military experience worth of safe, prior weapons handling. My guns are accessible for home defense purposes but I have so far only picked them up to practice in a designated range, and to clean them. So what, that make me evil or something?
 
2014-04-07 06:54:32 AM

HindiDiscoMonster: poodle's core: Reading stories like this really makes me wonder if the aim of zero tolerance isn't to teach kids to be even more afraid of guns or anything to do with them. I remember we made (very, very crude) guns during workshop class in elementary school and spent the next 2 months having all out pretend wars during recess. Or hell. I attended a specialized school for electrotechnics and at some point it was considered good manners to bring an airsoft gun to school so we could actually utilized the safety goggles we were given for lab work. Granted we were 16 years old at this point but still.
Getting suspended for making gun shapes or pretend guns is so stupid it hurts to read.

This is precisely what I think. I believe that the only way to disarm the populace is to start teaching them that guns = evil. This way, people will naturally not purchase guns as they grow up... it will take a couple of generations, but the same goal is achieved... an unarmed populous... and an unarmed populous is much easier to control. There will of course be those from the derp brigade that say that is all paranoia, but potato this and potato that... sometimes you have to step back and look at the bigger picture of where things are headed.

/I don't own a gun incidentally.


Of course, this will probably backfire because kids associate banned stuff with cool stuff. "Oh, all the teachers are telling me to be scared of guns, well I'm going to go tweet a photo of me firing a gun to prove that I'm badass".
 
2014-04-07 06:55:03 AM

log_jammin: most american males who's ever been a seventh grader would instantly see in the video where bent the clip part of the pen cap down to make the handle of his "gun".

I am 100% correct on this and have years and years of making pencil/pen guns, space ships, rocket launchers, telescopes, etc.. to back it up.


"That looks like a pen gun to me. I can tell from the bent cap and from seeing quite a few Bic rocket launchers in my time."
 
2014-04-07 06:55:51 AM
"We never know what's percolating in the minds of children,"

Huh?
 
2014-04-07 06:57:23 AM
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Pictured: Probably will also get you suspended
 
2014-04-07 07:04:03 AM
Dirty J1:  Wow so you think guns are not only evil, but you also want a population of easily herded sheep? For your information, guns are not bad, only certain people make them bad.

Back up and give that one more try there, Ace. I think you sort of missed the crazy dude's point.
 
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