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(NPR)   Appalachia: "Hey, there's more to offer here than just blind kids playing banjo, and filthy, haggard, sunken-eyed, inbred chain smokers living in abject poverty"   (npr.org) divider line 193
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2014-04-07 08:20:25 AM
I will bet that ya'll are pronouncing it wrong, too.  It's how we mark outsiders.
 
2014-04-07 08:27:40 AM

TerminalEchoes: ITT: Pretentious elitists who haven't actually been to Appalachia.


I've been there, and no, it's not exaggerated.  It really IS THAT BAD.
 
2014-04-07 08:38:28 AM
Not a regular fish, no.
A circuit-bent fish will open new vistas.
 
2014-04-07 08:48:34 AM

KidneyStone: It's bad to say any jokes about gays, blacks and other groups but it's AOK to shiat of Southerners and Appalachian folks.

Fark is such a charicature of itself.


Hopefully this was a joke.

///Or you just held up the proverbial "Get a brain morans" poster. Either way......funny.
 
2014-04-07 08:54:17 AM

ebenbane: Lucky LaRue: Hate all you want, but I ate a mess of ramps with some brown beans and fried taters this evening, so kiss my hillbilly ass, libs.

I farking love ramps


What are these "ramps" of which you speak?
 
2014-04-07 08:54:41 AM
As a kid, I remember this slice of Appalachia (thanks to Sesame Street):  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bj5OFij8OkE

I didn't recognize the poverty at the time; it's pretty clear now. Also a great slice-of-life.
 
2014-04-07 09:16:45 AM

gfbabbitt: As a kid, I remember this slice of Appalachia (thanks to Sesame Street):  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bj5OFij8OkE

I didn't recognize the poverty at the time; it's pretty clear now. Also a great slice-of-life.


My grandfather's third wife rode a mule as one of these in her youth.
 
2014-04-07 09:27:07 AM

DiffMavis: TerminalEchoes: ITT: Pretentious elitists who haven't actually been to Appalachia.

A lot of it is exaggerated, but...well, when I went there I heard some racist shiat. Including an old White Southern Baptist Preacher who unironically used the phrase "Jew you down" when describing penny pinchers. It's surreal.


Hey man, stereotypes are never true...except when they are...and the fact that they usually exist for a reason. But let's pretend that's not true because it makes everyone feel better.
 
2014-04-07 09:28:43 AM

notatrollorami: ebenbane: Lucky LaRue: Hate all you want, but I ate a mess of ramps with some brown beans and fried taters this evening, so kiss my hillbilly ass, libs.

I farking love ramps

What are these "ramps" of which you speak?


It's a wild leek.  They are pretty common in the east, and a delicious first sign of Spring.
 
2014-04-07 09:31:02 AM
ah, Appalachia, a region purposefully underserved by the various states and federal a government, (except for the type of services that just make things worse: please, for the love of god, stop giving welfare to the dimwitted breeders, and stop paying for everyones pain pills) and scorned in general by the public because, for some reason, its ok to make fun of 'hillbillies', while any treatment of any other group in a similar fashion  would be protested.
 
2014-04-07 09:45:17 AM

itsaidwhat: I sense a good bit of Ginseng-jealousy in this thread.

Life without smartphones or phones or smarts ...might just be better than this citified existence that demands wifi and 6$ coffee on every street corner.


What a $6 coffee and wifi in a small Appalachian town might look like.

media-cdn.tripadvisor.com

As a part-time resident of Appalachia (Swain County, NC), I find the region fascinating.  Clearly there are still a lot of people who hate everything that isn't fat, white and Christian like themselves but there is also growing group of locals who see the non-exploitative potential the region has.  These people see what the outside world offers but they don't want to leave their homes, so they try to incorporate both worlds.  Places like Asheville have found their own voice and it has paid off for them.  Many other places in the region are doing the same.
 
2014-04-07 10:03:52 AM

Lucky LaRue: kling_klang_bed: Appalachia should come with a copy of 'Winter's Bone' in their tourism package.

Appalachia: Come For The Meth, Stay For The Meth.

That's pretty funny.  If you are taking requests, I'd like to hear a funny joke that stereotypes Italians or African-Americans, next.


Which of these is not like the other...
 
2014-04-07 10:20:13 AM

liam76: Lucky LaRue: kling_klang_bed: Appalachia should come with a copy of 'Winter's Bone' in their tourism package.

Appalachia: Come For The Meth, Stay For The Meth.

That's pretty funny.  If you are taking requests, I'd like to hear a funny joke that stereotypes Italians or African-Americans, next.

Which of these is not like the other...


Keep telling yourself that stereotyping is totally ok as long as you are making fun of a poor, underprivileged cultural group instead of a racial group if that is what it takes to make you sleep at night.
 
2014-04-07 10:25:17 AM

Lucky LaRue: liam76: Lucky LaRue: kling_klang_bed: Appalachia should come with a copy of 'Winter's Bone' in their tourism package.

Appalachia: Come For The Meth, Stay For The Meth.

That's pretty funny.  If you are taking requests, I'd like to hear a funny joke that stereotypes Italians or African-Americans, next.

Which of these is not like the other...

Keep telling yourself that stereotyping is totally ok as long as you are making fun of a poor, underprivileged cultural group instead of a racial group if that is what it takes to make you sleep at night.


No, but it is ok if you are getting butt hurt over it.
 
2014-04-07 10:30:00 AM

liam76: Lucky LaRue: liam76: Lucky LaRue: kling_klang_bed: Appalachia should come with a copy of 'Winter's Bone' in their tourism package.

Appalachia: Come For The Meth, Stay For The Meth.

That's pretty funny.  If you are taking requests, I'd like to hear a funny joke that stereotypes Italians or African-Americans, next.

Which of these is not like the other...

Keep telling yourself that stereotyping is totally ok as long as you are making fun of a poor, underprivileged cultural group instead of a racial group if that is what it takes to make you sleep at night.

No, but it is ok if you are getting butt hurt over it.


Well, alright then.  It's unfortunate you feel my offense justifies your hate and bigotry, but it's good to know what kind of person I am dealing with.
 
2014-04-07 10:33:28 AM

Lucky LaRue: Well, alright then. It's unfortunate you feel my offense justifies your hate and bigotry, but it's good to know what kind of person I am dealing with


It isn't hate and bigotry, but you getting upset about it makes it that much more funny.


And to make it clear for you, nobody making thsoe jokes woudl refuse to hire, sit next to or otherwise discrimnaite against someone just for being from the Appalachia, in fact most wouldn;t even know it unless they advertised it.

But climb back up on your cross and continue to cry about ho w"libs" are filled with hate.
 
2014-04-07 10:50:54 AM

DubyaHater: listernine: DubyaHater: As someone who has lived in Roanoke, VA for the past 3 years, I can say that is the perfect description of Appalachian living.  I have never seen such a level of poverty, inbreeding, segregation (yes, it exists), and overt racism.  I can't wait to get the hell out of here.

I reeeealy hate to point out that Roanoke =/= Appalachia.

It's in the Appalachian Valley, Daniel Boone. Hence, it's part of Appalachia.


I reread your original post and realized I was, in fact, wrong. However, please dont equate me with someone who went around planting apple trees a long time ago. Good Day Sir.
 
2014-04-07 10:57:05 AM

listernine: DubyaHater: listernine: DubyaHater: As someone who has lived in Roanoke, VA for the past 3 years, I can say that is the perfect description of Appalachian living.  I have never seen such a level of poverty, inbreeding, segregation (yes, it exists), and overt racism.  I can't wait to get the hell out of here.

I reeeealy hate to point out that Roanoke =/= Appalachia.

It's in the Appalachian Valley, Daniel Boone. Hence, it's part of Appalachia.

I reread your original post and realized I was, in fact, wrong. However, please dont equate me with someone who went around planting apple trees a long time ago. Good Day Sir.


I reeeealy hate to point out that Daniel Boone =/= John Chapman (aka Johnny Appleseed)
 
2014-04-07 11:06:26 AM

liam76: Lucky LaRue: Well, alright then. It's unfortunate you feel my offense justifies your hate and bigotry, but it's good to know what kind of person I am dealing with

It isn't hate and bigotry, but you getting upset about it makes it that much more funny.


And to make it clear for you, nobody making thsoe jokes woudl refuse to hire, sit next to or otherwise discrimnaite against someone just for being from the Appalachia, in fact most wouldn;t even know it unless they advertised it.

But climb back up on your cross and continue to cry about ho w"libs" are filled with hate.


Am I advertising it when I speak?
 Cinci has a law specifically banning discrimination against  those of Appalachian heritage.
 Discrimination happens to Appalachian people.
 
2014-04-07 11:08:14 AM
I rarely Farky anybody, but I'm sorely tempted to do so in this thread simply to see how people complaining about the ease at which Appalachia is made fun of act in a Detroit thread.
 
2014-04-07 11:09:40 AM

gfbabbitt: As a kid, I remember this slice of Appalachia (thanks to Sesame Street):  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bj5OFij8OkE

I didn't recognize the poverty at the time; it's pretty clear now. Also a great slice-of-life.


Had to watch it on mute, but that was pretty well done.
 
2014-04-07 11:19:11 AM

StreetlightInTheGhetto: I rarely Farky anybody, but I'm sorely tempted to do so in this thread simply to see how people complaining about the ease at which Appalachia is made fun of act in a Detroit thread.


If you'tre lucky you'll find a thread complaining about how Dearbornistan is a bigoted nickname but Ypsitucky is not.
 
2014-04-07 11:28:14 AM

wellreadneck: StreetlightInTheGhetto: I rarely Farky anybody, but I'm sorely tempted to do so in this thread simply to see how people complaining about the ease at which Appalachia is made fun of act in a Detroit thread.

If you'tre lucky you'll find a thread complaining about how Dearbornistan is a bigoted nickname but Ypsitucky is not.


See, the majority of folks I know who use Ypsitucky are actually from Ypsi and use it as a term of endearment.  As in another way Ypsi keeps it real while Ann Arbor is, um, not real.

I get why it bothers some people, but to me Taylortucky is offensive - I've never heard a person from Taylor actually use it - but Ypsitucky... eh.  I won't say it but I won't correct someone who does either.
 
2014-04-07 11:29:20 AM

listernine: DubyaHater: listernine: DubyaHater: As someone who has lived in Roanoke, VA for the past 3 years, I can say that is the perfect description of Appalachian living.  I have never seen such a level of poverty, inbreeding, segregation (yes, it exists), and overt racism.  I can't wait to get the hell out of here.

I reeeealy hate to point out that Roanoke =/= Appalachia.

It's in the Appalachian Valley, Daniel Boone. Hence, it's part of Appalachia.

I reread your original post and realized I was, in fact, wrong. However, please dont equate me with someone who went around planting apple trees a long time ago. Good Day Sir.


Cherry trees. He planted, then chopped down, cherry trees. I think he had some mental issues.
 
2014-04-07 11:39:19 AM

billwill: BlueJay206: Meth, Moonshine and Marijuana.  Who says back-country livin' can't be lucrative?


Meth is more of a west coast problem.  Loved all the hiking and snow skiing as a kid in WV.  We used to call the poor kids creekers on account of them not making it in to school on days when there was a particularly hard rain.  I remember hiking to the bottom of the New River Gorge Bridge to watch the base jumpers every year.
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Here's an article that disagrees with your statement that Meth is a west coast problem. Also has map charts.

http://america.aljazeera.com/watch/shows/america-tonight/america-ton ig ht-blog/2013/9/25/as-meth-incidentsdeclinemissourimaintainsdubioushono r.html

It's from that Muslim network though so it's probably all lies.
 
2014-04-07 12:12:34 PM

liam76: Lucky LaRue: Well, alright then. It's unfortunate you feel my offense justifies your hate and bigotry, but it's good to know what kind of person I am dealing with

It isn't hate and bigotry, but you getting upset about it makes it that much more funny.


And to make it clear for you, nobody making thsoe jokes woudl refuse to hire, sit next to or otherwise discrimnaite against someone just for being from the Appalachia, in fact most wouldn;t even know it unless they advertised it.

But climb back up on your cross and continue to cry about ho w"libs" are filled with hate.

You know, where someone says prejudicial things, makes insults based oin stereotypes, bu then insists they aren't bigoted, and tries to pretend they don't judge a group with a distinct culture who are economically disadvantaged, and originate from a certain locale..it doesnt quite hold up.

I'm waiting for the "I have a friend who is from there, so I"m ok" defense.
 
2014-04-07 12:18:02 PM

incrdbil: liam76: Lucky LaRue: Well, alright then. It's unfortunate you feel my offense justifies your hate and bigotry, but it's good to know what kind of person I am dealing with

It isn't hate and bigotry, but you getting upset about it makes it that much more funny.


And to make it clear for you, nobody making thsoe jokes woudl refuse to hire, sit next to or otherwise discrimnaite against someone just for being from the Appalachia, in fact most wouldn;t even know it unless they advertised it.

But climb back up on your cross and continue to cry about ho w"libs" are filled with hate.
You know, where someone says prejudicial things, makes insults based oin stereotypes, bu then insists they aren't bigoted, and tries to pretend they don't judge a group with a distinct culture who are economically disadvantaged, and originate from a certain locale..it doesnt quite hold up.

I'm waiting for the "I have a friend who is from there, so I"m ok" defense.


There are only two things I can't stand in this world. People who are intolerant of other people's cultures... and the Dutch.

/Yeah baby!
 
2014-04-07 12:28:42 PM

farkingismybusiness: Lucky LaRue: DoctorCal: It always bewilders me to see people with a documented track record of slandering minorities complain that they aren't "allowed" to slander minorities.

That's funny.. I was just being bewildered by the number of people in this thread who would never dream of slandering a minority (who would, in fact, jump to the defense of a slandered minority), but who are taking great pleasure in slandering hillbillies.

I would have thought that hillbillies had thicker skin. With having no shoes and all...


See, that was at least funny. +1 Troll point.
 
2014-04-07 12:38:18 PM
Bashing "redneck" Whites is politically correct, but don't you dare point the short comings of any other group because that would be racist or bigoted depending on which group you speak accurately about. Farkers are one seriously brainwashed group on average. We all have been at one point, it is what the media and education have been instilling for decades in the citizenry, unfortunately most of you will never wake up, Farkers enjoy their ignorance.
 
2014-04-07 12:56:44 PM

incrdbil: You know, where someone says prejudicial things


What, exactly, did I say that was prejudicial?


incrdbil: makes insults based oin stereotypes


Where did I insult somebody based on stereotypes?

incrdbil: a distinct culture who are economically disadvantaged


We are talking about a diverse region spanning 13 states, based on economic need. There isn't a disctinct unifying culture outside of rural poverty.
 
2014-04-07 12:58:58 PM

Veni_Vidi_Vici: Bashing "redneck" Whites is politically correct


Didn't read the article did you?
 
2014-04-07 01:35:03 PM
Well, they did give us the Foxfire Book series, and that's something.
 
2014-04-07 01:51:37 PM
I had both the pain and pleasure of working very personally with folks along the border of Kentucky/West Virginia several years ago.  The job spanned about 5-6 years and extended from about Logan, WVa to Haysi, VA along the Tug Fork River.  I've almost literally knocked on every door, been in almost every living room, and talked to a vast majority of people living in that area.  Like most places, it really can't be pigeon-holed.  Some of the stereotypes bear out - seeing actual books in somebody's living room was a cause for comment among us (even teachers); the welfare mentality was awful; the poverty grinding, and the opportunities scarce.  To say I have pity for some of these folks sounds condescending, but man, some of the things I saw...

Having said all that, I'll also say this:  some of the nicest people you've ever met.  Salt of the Earth types.  Can't tell you how many times somebody would offer me a drink or a snack when they obviously couldn't afford it.  Was never made to feel unwelcome in somebody's home (or trailer).  The people that worked had three jobs.  The people that didn't sat around waiting for their check.  As for bigotry, the only thing I have to go on is the very dark complected, heavily-accented Indians I worked with down there were treated just as nice as my white ass.  Folks were gracious and accommodating.

Like everywhere, it's not accurate to boil it down to any one (or two, or three) things.  People are people and run the gamut everywhere.
 
2014-04-07 02:33:31 PM

2wolves: I grew up in Appalachia.  Too many were too stubborn to ever leave or recognize the grinding poverty which was a day to day fact of life.


Does moving necesarely make you richer?
 
2014-04-07 03:04:11 PM

Kid Shelleen: I had both the pain and pleasure of working very personally with folks along the border of Kentucky/West Virginia several years ago.  The job spanned about 5-6 years and extended from about Logan, WVa to Haysi, VA along the Tug Fork River.  I've almost literally knocked on every door, been in almost every living room, and talked to a vast majority of people living in that area.  Like most places, it really can't be pigeon-holed.  Some of the stereotypes bear out - seeing actual books in somebody's living room was a cause for comment among us (even teachers); the welfare mentality was awful; the poverty grinding, and the opportunities scarce.  To say I have pity for some of these folks sounds condescending, but man, some of the things I saw...

Having said all that, I'll also say this:  some of the nicest people you've ever met.  Salt of the Earth types.  Can't tell you how many times somebody would offer me a drink or a snack when they obviously couldn't afford it.  Was never made to feel unwelcome in somebody's home (or trailer).  The people that worked had three jobs.  The people that didn't sat around waiting for their check.  As for bigotry, the only thing I have to go on is the very dark complected, heavily-accented Indians I worked with down there were treated just as nice as my white ass.  Folks were gracious and accommodating.

Like everywhere, it's not accurate to boil it down to any one (or two, or three) things.  People are people and run the gamut everywhere.


Hmm.... 5-6 years is a bit long for Census work although that would fall right in the middle of 2010.  Don't know of any non-profits doing canvassing around there, long term anyway, though I could be wrong... dangit, now I'm curious.

Some of the best people I've ever met I met while knocking on doors in Dearborn during Ramadan or doing follow ups with houses that didn't return census forms in my hometown (so ~50% were first generation immigrants, some refugees... Poland, Vietnam, Bangladesh, Iraq, former Soviet block countries off the top of my head - the hospitality they offered me was amazing, even before I could break out my translation intro phrase sheet and find a kid or relative on the phone).

People are people indeed.

/so why is it you and I should get along so awfully, huh, Farkers?
 
2014-04-07 03:48:16 PM

StreetlightInTheGhetto: Kid Shelleen: I had both the pain and pleasure of working very personally with folks along the border of Kentucky/West Virginia several years ago.  The job spanned about 5-6 years and extended from about Logan, WVa to Haysi, VA along the Tug Fork River.  I've almost literally knocked on every door, been in almost every living room, and talked to a vast majority of people living in that area.  Like most places, it really can't be pigeon-holed.  Some of the stereotypes bear out - seeing actual books in somebody's living room was a cause for comment among us (even teachers); the welfare mentality was awful; the poverty grinding, and the opportunities scarce.  To say I have pity for some of these folks sounds condescending, but man, some of the things I saw...

Having said all that, I'll also say this:  some of the nicest people you've ever met.  Salt of the Earth types.  Can't tell you how many times somebody would offer me a drink or a snack when they obviously couldn't afford it.  Was never made to feel unwelcome in somebody's home (or trailer).  The people that worked had three jobs.  The people that didn't sat around waiting for their check.  As for bigotry, the only thing I have to go on is the very dark complected, heavily-accented Indians I worked with down there were treated just as nice as my white ass.  Folks were gracious and accommodating.

Like everywhere, it's not accurate to boil it down to any one (or two, or three) things.  People are people and run the gamut everywhere.

Hmm.... 5-6 years is a bit long for Census work although that would fall right in the middle of 2010.  Don't know of any non-profits doing canvassing around there, long term anyway, though I could be wrong... dangit, now I'm curious.

Some of the best people I've ever met I met while knocking on doors in Dearborn during Ramadan or doing follow ups with houses that didn't return census forms in my hometown (so ~50% were first generation immigrants, some refugees... Poland, Vietnam, Ban ...


Not census, and spanned 5-6 years, not 5-6 years ago.  This was the 90's and I was with gummint (contractor), and I was there to help.

/There be good and bad about pretty much every place.
 
2014-04-07 05:25:50 PM

spawn73: 2wolves: I grew up in Appalachia.  Too many were too stubborn to ever leave or recognize the grinding poverty which was a day to day fact of life.

Does moving necesarely make you richer?


Not necessarily.  It often does mean you're a touch brighter or unwilling to settle.
 
2014-04-07 05:37:04 PM

gfbabbitt: As a kid, I remember this slice of Appalachia (thanks to Sesame Street):  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bj5OFij8OkE

I didn't recognize the poverty at the time; it's pretty clear now. Also a great slice-of-life.



I like to take sarcastic shots at just about anyone, but having post delivering as the highlight of your day is just depressing
 
2014-04-07 07:30:40 PM
I grew up there and I completely agree.
 
2014-04-07 07:52:45 PM

Notabunny: lindalouwho: There was, for the women, a total loss of an environment that compels the joy of gripping, total lust.

I'm here to help


Alas, only a bunny could help me.
;-)

/was a long time ago anyways
 
2014-04-07 08:05:20 PM

buckler: Well, they did give us the Foxfire Book series, and that's something.


They also gave us Piedmont Blues. That type of guitar playing is extremely difficult, not many are accomplished at it.

On mobile, sorry no link.

/not a musician, knows some, knows the music
 
2014-04-07 10:03:07 PM
FTA: "The region's population growth is increasingly fueled by minorities, who have composed almost half of Appalachia's new residents (42 percent) over the past three decades and helped fuel awareness about the heterogeneous reality of mountain towns."

Wait... People have been moving TO Appalachia for three decades and nobody's done anything to stop them? WTF?

/Picturing a Pythonesque phrasebook where "May I use the restroom?" translates to "I would like a bus ticket to Appalachia."
 
2014-04-07 10:51:19 PM

2wolves: spawn73: 2wolves: I grew up in Appalachia.  Too many were too stubborn to ever leave or recognize the grinding poverty which was a day to day fact of life.

Does moving necesarely make you richer?

Not necessarily.  It often does mean you're a touch brighter or unwilling to settle.


If you can move even (make thumb to forefinger distance gesture) that far out of the area, you may hit some jobs.  It may not make you richer (because of standard of living adjustments), but it potentially gets you out of being dependent on government aid and the charity of neighbors *not strangers - that doesn't happen outside of a church* to survive.  If you have kids, it gives them that more of a chance to do better.  It's not necessarily a question of subjectively richer when you are king shiat of the the used tire pile, it's a matter of opportunities.

This really isn't a "get your bootstraps on and go crosscountry up to North Dakota to be a roughneck", more of "I can make more than minimum wage for the rest of my life while still being in the same state".  It doesn't mean running to a city either (there are precious few worth a damn in the region - the northern part is still Rust Belt), just going somewhere that has a Cummins Engine / Toyota plant can make a world of difference for example.  Even if you don't work there, there is the opportunity for secondary jobs near the facility.
 
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