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2014-04-07 12:43:05 AM  

Loren: The Goat Men Are Rampaging In The Fields: I bought my 2001 Saturn SC2 new, have 180k miles on it, and have spent a grand total of about $3500 in ALL maintenance and repairs--including the big service milestones. Only has two actual repairs--one was a gasket that cost $35 and one was exhaust-related. Anecdotally, I've known many Saturn owners who got 200k, rebuilt the engine, and then got another 200k out of them. Considering going that route to avoid a car payment. Thinking $3500 of work--engine, transmission, shocks/struts--would likely get me another 13 years.

Hate that GM killed Saturns. Stupidest marketing decision ever was to try to "class them up"--they were an awesome American made economy car, and should have been marketed as such. Now they're gone...

Yeah, I got rid of my 2000 SL1 6 months ago--the drive shaft seal was leaking.  There were other things that were going to need work also, I decided it wasn't worth keeping.  It gave good service over those years, it was my second and I would have been happy to get a third.

At least Toyota finally realized they were selling to Americans and made a car with enough foot space I could drive it, I now have a Corolla.  (In the past the space between the floor and the dash was almost exactly the size of my size 13 foot--not a good idea if you had to react quickly.)

New Age Redneck: Pro bike/ski mechanic. If you wish to round off and destroy fasteners go ahead and buy cheap tools. My $0.02.

This.  The cheap tools slip more.

ReapTheChaos: As for power tools, I've seen far to many people abuse them to ever consider buying them used. Who knows how long that saw or drill spent sliding around in the back of some guys pick-up getting rained on and tossed around. You're taking a high gamble when you buy those things used.

Exactly.  Those of us who take care of tools don't want the junk that results from people who don't take care of them.

ornithopter: Well, if it's a laptop, anything older than 3 years is pretty untr ...


MarkEC: The Goat Men Are Rampaging In The Fields: I bought my 2001 Saturn SC2 new, have 180k miles on it, and have spent a grand total of about $3500 in ALL maintenance and repairs--including the big service milestones.  Only has two actual repairs--one was a gasket that cost $35 and one was exhaust-related.  Anecdotally, I've known many Saturn owners who got 200k, rebuilt the engine, and then got another 200k out of them.  Considering going that route to avoid a car payment.  Thinking $3500 of work--engine, transmission, shocks/struts--would likely get me another 13 years.

Hate that GM killed Saturns.  Stupidest marketing decision ever was to try to "class them up"--they were an awesome American made economy car, and should have been marketed as such.  Now they're gone...

/sobs

I just got rid of my '96 Saturn SW2 with 280K miles on it. It had a Jasper rebuild put in at 148K.


Would love to know what makes/models you both ended up going with as replacements.  Part of my desire to rebuild is due to knowing just how angry I'll be if I spend more on a new care and it doesn't hold up at least as well as my Saturn.

/would KILL to find a sub 20k mile SC2 used...
 
2014-04-07 12:57:50 AM  

Flint Ironstag: Windows 8 runs very well on very modest spec machines. I installed it on my second pc I made from my seven year old modest spec mobo and processor and on a very modest spec netbook with 1gb of ram. It runs great, far faster than XP did on the same machines.


Bullshiat.

Absolute horseshiat.

Windows 7 is slower than XP on the same hardware, and 8 is slower than 7.  And with 1GB RAM you've barely got enough to boot, you're not going to be doing anything with it.
 
2014-04-07 01:06:56 AM  

DarkVader: Flint Ironstag: Windows 8 runs very well on very modest spec machines. I installed it on my second pc I made from my seven year old modest spec mobo and processor and on a very modest spec netbook with 1gb of ram. It runs great, far faster than XP did on the same machines.

Bullshiat.

Absolute horseshiat.

Windows 7 is slower than XP on the same hardware, and 8 is slower than 7.  And with 1GB RAM you've barely got enough to boot, you're not going to be doing anything with it.


That's wrong on pretty much every level. Benchmarks or GTFO. 1 GB of RAM is perfectly adequate for Windows 7. I haven't tested Win 8 on a laptop with only 1 GB of RAM, but I doubt it would suffer. They have the same base requirements, and Win 7 can and has run smoothly on laptops worse than the system requirements. I had Windows 7 on a loaner PIII netbook we'd lend out to library employees and professors who didn't have a laptop to take to conferences. The only complaint we ever got about it was the size of the keyboard.
 
2014-04-07 01:07:53 AM  

ReapTheChaos: The only thing I would buy used would be a car, and that's about it.

As for power tools, I've seen far to many people abuse them to ever consider buying them used. Who knows how long that saw or drill spent sliding around in the back of some guys pick-up getting rained on and tossed around. You're taking a high gamble when you buy those things used.

As for hand tools, the only place I've ever seen used for sale is in some crappy pawn shop where they'll have them tossed in a bin with dozens of other like tools, all slowly rusting away. I doubt you would even be able to piece together a matching set of wrenches at most places.


Two words:  Estate sale.

And you can tell if a tool has been abused by looking at it.  Abuse leaves marks.  Want to know if a power tool has problems?  Power it up, then smell it.  Abused or failing tools will have a different smell than properly working tools.
 
2014-04-07 01:12:17 AM  
Have a good friend of mine who is a retired commercial jet mechanic, and after his tools got stole, one of the things he bought was a $700 set of screwdrivers. Mind you, Walmart cheapies. You say they are all the same, cars and so forth.
We're looking for a new car, don't need one, just want one, you know, being older, empty nest. Looking at the Mercedes 250 CLA. Not quite 30k new. Wife has a 2010 Camry Xl, pretty nice. If you're in it for cheap transportation, go ahead. But we've worked many years to be able to enjoy something not "bottom of the barrel". Earlier this year, had a fully restored Silverado, spent many years building the motor and so forth from a bare block, replaed the suspension, did it all the way I wanted, and just gave it to my older son. We're selling our 3200 sq ft home as well, since the little one is going to college soon, and no longer need a 270k house.
 
2014-04-07 01:42:23 AM  

redmid17: DarkVader: Flint Ironstag: Windows 8 runs very well on very modest spec machines. I installed it on my second pc I made from my seven year old modest spec mobo and processor and on a very modest spec netbook with 1gb of ram. It runs great, far faster than XP did on the same machines.

Bullshiat.

Absolute horseshiat.

Windows 7 is slower than XP on the same hardware, and 8 is slower than 7.  And with 1GB RAM you've barely got enough to boot, you're not going to be doing anything with it.

That's wrong on pretty much every level. Benchmarks or GTFO. 1 GB of RAM is perfectly adequate for Windows 7. I haven't tested Win 8 on a laptop with only 1 GB of RAM, but I doubt it would suffer. They have the same base requirements, and Win 7 can and has run smoothly on laptops worse than the system requirements. I had Windows 7 on a loaner PIII netbook we'd lend out to library employees and professors who didn't have a laptop to take to conferences. The only complaint we ever got about it was the size of the keyboard.


Benchmarks are pretty much worthless for real world performance, but here's the XP to 7 comparison:  http://www.overclockers.com/windows-xp-vs-windows-7-benchmarks/

As far as 7 to 8, I've seen the benchmarks, they claim 8 is faster, and they're crazy.  I recently upgraded a new HP from 8 to 7 (yes, that's an upgrade), and real world it was the complete opposite of what the benchmarks claim.  I know they say boot times are faster, but my experience has been that 8 takes forever to boot.

And 8 has a horrific user interface problem.

As for your P3 laptop, the only way you didn't get complaints is because they weren't using it.  A P3 was never a fast chip, it's dumpster food now.  7 is barely useable with 3GB RAM, and it really needs 8GB if you're actually trying to do much of anything.

But of course there's a better solution than XP, 7, or 8.

Get a Mac.
 
2014-04-07 01:53:04 AM  
Just bought my first new car yesterday, 2014 grand caravan. Went looking for a 2011+ (when the new transmission was first used along with the new engine) and the best I could come up with that had the stuff I wanted was $15k ($16.8 after taxes and paperwork) and had 60k miles, got a brand new one for $22.5, I'll gladly pay $5,700 for 3 years extra life and not dealing with the uncertainties of a used car. If I could have gotten one for $10k like the last time I bought a used van it would have been a much harder choice, but used vehicles are retaining too much value to be worth it if you have the money to buy new.
 
2014-04-07 02:00:51 AM  

Lawnchair: But, I can do the math. If you're looking at, for possibly the most clear example, a Tacoma, which lots try to sell for $17-18k with over 100,000 miles and 7-8 years old... buying a new one for $30k with below-market-rate financing would be tempting.


I only have a few rules with used cars.

1. The fastest depreciation is in the first 40,000 miles.
2. Most cars over 150k are lemons. But some are gold, they just run and run and run.
3. There is usually something off about a car someone wants to sell, usually deferred maintenance.
4. Therefor expect to pay $1000 or 10% of the vehicle cost in repairs in the first six months. (whichever is greater).
5. A truck or van that 'runs' is worth at least a $1000
6. A van will cost 1.5X in maintenance over a regular car or truck.

Screw drivers.

Rule and only rule: If you use the wrong sized screw driver on a screw you'll fark both up no exceptions.
 
2014-04-07 02:17:18 AM  

DarkVader: redmid17: DarkVader: Flint Ironstag: Windows 8 runs very well on very modest spec machines. I installed it on my second pc I made from my seven year old modest spec mobo and processor and on a very modest spec netbook with 1gb of ram. It runs great, far faster than XP did on the same machines.

Bullshiat.

Absolute horseshiat.

Windows 7 is slower than XP on the same hardware, and 8 is slower than 7.  And with 1GB RAM you've barely got enough to boot, you're not going to be doing anything with it.

That's wrong on pretty much every level. Benchmarks or GTFO. 1 GB of RAM is perfectly adequate for Windows 7. I haven't tested Win 8 on a laptop with only 1 GB of RAM, but I doubt it would suffer. They have the same base requirements, and Win 7 can and has run smoothly on laptops worse than the system requirements. I had Windows 7 on a loaner PIII netbook we'd lend out to library employees and professors who didn't have a laptop to take to conferences. The only complaint we ever got about it was the size of the keyboard.

Benchmarks are pretty much worthless for real world performance, but here's the XP to 7 comparison:  http://www.overclockers.com/windows-xp-vs-windows-7-benchmarks/

As far as 7 to 8, I've seen the benchmarks, they claim 8 is faster, and they're crazy.  I recently upgraded a new HP from 8 to 7 (yes, that's an upgrade), and real world it was the complete opposite of what the benchmarks claim.  I know they say boot times are faster, but my experience has been that 8 takes forever to boot.

And 8 has a horrific user interface problem.

As for your P3 laptop, the only way you didn't get complaints is because they weren't using it.  A P3 was never a fast chip, it's dumpster food now.  7 is barely useable with 3GB RAM, and it really needs 8GB if you're actually trying to do much of anything.

But of course there's a better solution than XP, 7, or 8.

Get a Mac.


Sweet comparison. Beta Windows 7 against XP XP3. The least you could do is go for the RTM. Every benchmark I've seen puts Windows 7 at minimum equal to Win XP performance, and that grows wider the newer the computer you measure. Funny how 8 years of development lead to improvements like that.

Win 8 measures out to 5%-10% better than Win 7 on the same hardware. Windows 8 definitely has some UI issues. Can't really deny that.

The PIII netbook had more logins and files downloaded/loaded/accessed than something that got tossed in a bag and not used. I know. I wiped and re-imaged them when they got back and the stats were in our SCCM reports.

As to the Win 7 is barely useable with 3 GB. That's borderline lying or complete idiocy. If you had said Vista pre-SPI, I might be inclined to agree with you, even if it only had so much to do with the memory (Vista worked fine with 2 GB).

As to your solution, well the price point turns off a lot of people. That's no surprise. It's expensive to buy a new Mac. It's not like I'm a Windows fan boy either

i.imgur.com
 
2014-04-07 03:21:48 AM  

FizixJunkee: Moonfisher: I got a fantastic old flute.

What did you get?

I once found a Haynes flute in a pawn shop.  The price was very good (though not dirt cheap...they had some clue what they had); I sold two other flutes just to buy that thing.  And, yes, it was worth it.


Oh man, I'd kill for a Haynes! I'm just rocking a 400-series Yamaha right now. I hadn't played for a few years and was invited to join the local chamber orchestra out of the blue. It's in great shape with just the tiniest ding on the underside of the head joint and it was only $800.
 
2014-04-07 04:48:25 AM  

Ambivalence: Danbogator: I bought my last used vehicle off of craigslist for $800 and it lasted me over 10,000 miles. A/C and windows all worked, as well as the radio. I don't see the sense in spending thousands upon thousands on vehicles when you're only using it to get you back and forth to work.

only 10,000 miles?


The engine didn't go, it got wrecked lol
 
2014-04-07 05:47:09 AM  

Moonfisher: FizixJunkee: Moonfisher: I got a fantastic old flute.

What did you get?

I once found a Haynes flute in a pawn shop.  The price was very good (though not dirt cheap...they had some clue what they had); I sold two other flutes just to buy that thing.  And, yes, it was worth it.

Oh man, I'd kill for a Haynes! I'm just rocking a 400-series Yamaha right now. I hadn't played for a few years and was invited to join the local chamber orchestra out of the blue. It's in great shape with just the tiniest ding on the underside of the head joint and it was only $800.


I wouldn't mind at all having a 400 series Yamaha:

mco-s1-p.mlstatic.com

And yeah, you probably want a Haynes to go with it:

www.haynes.com
 
2014-04-07 05:51:45 AM  

Nuclear Monk: If you're going to hang on to it for a long time, always go new.


how can that possibly be true?
i mean really - think it through.

even with thing like intro financing options there is no way they aren't making more money on the sale of a new car than a used one.  So all you are saying is that you value the new car more than a used one.  and that's fine, but i think you're kidding yourself if you try and tell us it's a better deal.

if your statement said "buy a slightly used car and drive it into the ground" then i'd agree.
 
2014-04-07 07:02:33 AM  
Baby and toddler clothing

Because they're not known for constantly spewing bodily fluids all over themselves?
 
2014-04-07 07:15:03 AM  

DarkVader: Moonfisher: FizixJunkee: Moonfisher: I got a fantastic old flute.

What did you get?

I once found a Haynes flute in a pawn shop.  The price was very good (though not dirt cheap...they had some clue what they had); I sold two other flutes just to buy that thing.  And, yes, it was worth it.

Oh man, I'd kill for a Haynes! I'm just rocking a 400-series Yamaha right now. I hadn't played for a few years and was invited to join the local chamber orchestra out of the blue. It's in great shape with just the tiniest ding on the underside of the head joint and it was only $800.

I wouldn't mind at all having a 400 series Yamaha:

[mco-s1-p.mlstatic.com image 850x637]

And yeah, you probably want a Haynes to go with it:

[www.haynes.com image 312x400]


Of course, one mustn't confuse the musicality of that 400 Yamaha with this one:
www.motorcyclespecs.co.za


or this one:
www.motorparts.nl

and especially not this one:
cdn2.canadamotoguide.com
 
2014-04-07 08:18:19 AM  

DarkVader: Flint Ironstag: Windows 8 runs very well on very modest spec machines. I installed it on my second pc I made from my seven year old modest spec mobo and processor and on a very modest spec netbook with 1gb of ram. It runs great, far faster than XP did on the same machines.

Bullshiat.

Absolute horseshiat.

Windows 7 is slower than XP on the same hardware, and 8 is slower than 7.  And with 1GB RAM you've barely got enough to boot, you're not going to be doing anything with it.


upix.me
I only use it for travelling, and even less now because my phone does so much, but I booted it up just to take this screenshot for you and it booted in ten seconds and ran perfectly while I saved the desktop and opened Paint to save it.
This is a Compaq netbook, one of the last in the store with XP while all the newer ones came with 7 which I didn't want.
Runs great, even when I use it to play music, save and view my photos while surfing the net. And I have Classic Shell running as well to fix the Windows 8 GUI problems.
 
2014-04-07 08:25:22 AM  
I stopped buying used cars after my teenaged years.  You are just buying someone else's problems.

I will grant that 10-15 years ago, buying used was lucrative.  Now?  If the model of car is worth a damn, the used price doesn't drop much in the first 2-3 years.  Plus, there is only one way to have genuine "new car smell" and it doesn't come in a spray can.
 
2014-04-07 08:34:20 AM  

DarkVader: Flint Ironstag: Windows 8 runs very well on very modest spec machines. I installed it on my second pc I made from my seven year old modest spec mobo and processor and on a very modest spec netbook with 1gb of ram. It runs great, far faster than XP did on the same machines.

Bullshiat.

Absolute horseshiat.

Windows 7 is slower than XP on the same hardware, and 8 is slower than 7.  And with 1GB RAM you've barely got enough to boot, you're not going to be doing anything with it.


And some Googling suggests my experience is far from unique.

W8 on a Netbook.

Another How To article. It says W8 "wont work" with a netbooks small screen but that is wrong. Metro apps won't work. But with Classic Shell the traditional desktop and programmes work fine. Since I never use Metro it doesn't bother me.
 
2014-04-07 08:46:30 AM  
And playing a video:

upix.me
Of course you'll have to take my word that the video is actually playing...
 
2014-04-07 09:38:44 AM  

Loren: Target Builder: Baby and Toddler Clothing: Sure, if you need to save cash. That said, baby clothing is cheap compared to formula or diapers.

Boobies are a lot cheaper than formula.



Very true, but not always an option despite what the good people over at La Leche League might think.
 
2014-04-07 09:55:13 AM  

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Jim_Callahan: If you're paying much more than 10 or maybe 12 for a used vehicle you're getting ripped off.

Not necessarily. Used car prices are far higher than they've been in recent history (much greater aversion to putting on more debt for financing so greater demand for lower priced alternatives, which drives the prices up for gently used).

There are some damn good alternatives for used, however. Previous rental cars, if they are "boring" vehicles, are great to pick up. Things like base-level sedans, minivans, and small non-AWD SUVs. Those were rented by older people, business people, or families for limited driving and were maintained by the rental company (mostly insurance reasons). They also weren't torn to hell by rental company staff because no one wants to do burn outs in a 2012 tan Malibu with cloth seats and the base radio.

The more expensive toys, especially used Jeeps (ESPECIALLY non-trail rated Wranglers) or pickups, were played with hard at rental companies. Most likely well maintained, but you're more likely to run into suspension/brakes/acceleration problems.

But used minivans? Hell, my dealership buys 4-5 of them from the Adesa auctions every two weeks and they sell all day long.


I worked for a major rental car company. I wouldn't buy anything from them. Ever. They are 100% fanatically devoted to keeping 90% of the fleet rented at all times. This comes at any cost ; delayed maintenance, luxury car rented to repeat customer douchebag burnout guy/homeless lady that leaves cars smelling like urine/the pilot trainees from India that rent every weekend and must drive 24 hours/day to run up that kind of mileage. Buying a rental is like marrying a hooker. You just know all kinds of awful things have been done in and to it.
 
2014-04-07 10:41:21 AM  

baka-san: Umm, no

"a screwdriver is a screwdriver"

no

Writer is a dumbass who probably doesn't even know "righty tighty, lefty loosy"

t1.gstatic.com
So named because the West Texas oilmen used screwdrivers to stir their cocktails.
 
2014-04-07 11:17:16 AM  

The Goat Men Are Rampaging In The Fields: Would love to know what makes/models you both ended up going with as replacements. Part of my desire to rebuild is due to knowing just how angry I'll be if I spend more on a new care and it doesn't hold up at least as well as my Saturn.


My post said I ended up with a Toyota Corolla.
 
2014-04-07 11:18:13 AM  

DarkVader: ReapTheChaos: The only thing I would buy used would be a car, and that's about it.

As for power tools, I've seen far to many people abuse them to ever consider buying them used. Who knows how long that saw or drill spent sliding around in the back of some guys pick-up getting rained on and tossed around. You're taking a high gamble when you buy those things used.

As for hand tools, the only place I've ever seen used for sale is in some crappy pawn shop where they'll have them tossed in a bin with dozens of other like tools, all slowly rusting away. I doubt you would even be able to piece together a matching set of wrenches at most places.

Two words:  Estate sale.

And you can tell if a tool has been abused by looking at it.  Abuse leaves marks.  Want to know if a power tool has problems?  Power it up, then smell it.  Abused or failing tools will have a different smell than properly working tools.


Feel free to go around sniffing power tools, I'll stick with buying new. In this day and age it's getting to where even top name brand tools are getting so cheap that it's pointless to even consider buying used.
 
2014-04-07 05:17:08 PM  

Director_Mr: Ambivalence: I am going to disagree on the cars.  Used cars are not "a fraction of its original sticker price" at 2-3 years of age, not if they're any good.  I buy new cars from quality manufacturers and I drive it for 10 years or more until I am literally sick of dealing with whatever issues arise. MY car.  MY butt groove on the seat.  broken in to MY driving style.

You would be wrong.  Arguably not only are used cars "a fraction of its original sticker price", Even new cars are a fraction of the sticker price.  98/100 is a fraction.  So is 91/100, and so on.  1/1 is even a fraction.


well at least you're being rational
 
2014-04-07 05:19:22 PM  

gaslight: [images.lacarmina.com image 688x465]


i dont know whats worse about that picture, the vending machine next to it, or that i know what the vending machine next to it is...
 
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