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2014-04-06 05:25:28 PM
Umm, no

"a screwdriver is a screwdriver"

no

Writer is a dumbass who probably doesn't even know "righty tighty, lefty loosy"
 
2014-04-06 05:31:07 PM
" A screwdriver is a screwdriver. It's simple and no single one is really better than the other."

I will stab the author in the dick with one of my Klein flatheads or one of my Wiha's.

I'm not even joking.
 
2014-04-06 05:38:26 PM

TinyFist: " A screwdriver is a screwdriver. It's simple and no single one is really better than the other."

I will stab the author in the dick with one of my Klein flatheads or one of my Wiha's.

I'm not even joking.


A-man bro/sis
 
2014-04-06 06:17:43 PM

TinyFist: " A screwdriver is a screwdriver. It's simple and no single one is really better than the other."

I will stab the author in the dick with one of my Klein flatheads or one of my Wiha's.

I'm not even joking.


Oh get off it, MOST people have no need for specialized or expensive tools. You do, that's great but you can't possibly think that it's anywhere near common.

I was a carpenter for many years and I have no idea what those brands are...sounds a tad hipsterish to me.
 
2014-04-06 06:34:32 PM
Buy all your tools new and do not skimp on them in any way.  Buy the best and it will last a lifetime.

Cars, on the other hand, are disposable.  A check for $25k will get you a nice 3 year old ride you can beat the ever loving crap out of, and then get a new one five years later.
 
2014-04-06 06:34:41 PM
I am going to disagree on the cars.  Used cars are not "a fraction of its original sticker price" at 2-3 years of age, not if they're any good.  I buy new cars from quality manufacturers and I drive it for 10 years or more until I am literally sick of dealing with whatever issues arise. MY car.  MY butt groove on the seat.  broken in to MY driving style.
 
2014-04-06 06:35:21 PM

Barfmaker: sounds a tad hipsterish to me


Me too.  But then I'm a Snap On guy.
 
2014-04-06 06:36:21 PM

Marcus Aurelius: Buy all your tools new and do not skimp on them in any way.  Buy the best and it will last a lifetime.

Cars, on the other hand, are disposable.  A check for $25k will get you a nice 3 year old ride you can beat the ever loving crap out of, and then get a new one five years later.


Jesus, who in the hell pays $25k for a car?  Not a truck or an SUV, mind you, a car.
 
2014-04-06 06:40:07 PM

Ambivalence: I am going to disagree on the cars.  Used cars are not "a fraction of its original sticker price" at 2-3 years of age, not if they're any good.  I buy new cars from quality manufacturers and I drive it for 10 years or more until I am literally sick of dealing with whatever issues arise. MY car.  MY butt groove on the seat.  broken in to MY driving style.


Try this on for size.

Compare it to a comparable new factory model at >$40k.  You can even buy a bumper to bumper 5 year warranty if you want (but you won't need it).
 
2014-04-06 06:44:46 PM

Ambivalence: Marcus Aurelius: Buy all your tools new and do not skimp on them in any way.  Buy the best and it will last a lifetime.

Cars, on the other hand, are disposable.  A check for $25k will get you a nice 3 year old ride you can beat the ever loving crap out of, and then get a new one five years later.

Jesus, who in the hell pays $25k for a car?  Not a truck or an SUV, mind you, a car.


330 horsepower hooked up to all wheel drive is not exactly inexpensive.  The tires alone cost $200 each.  And I don't drive much, but when I do, I like to have fun.

And if it makes you feel better, that's my NEXT car.  My current car is a loaded 2005 Nissan Altima 3.5 SL that I bought in 2008 for $15k.  I'm starting to get bored with it, but it has under 70,000 miles on it, so I can't very well get rid of it.  Which is another great reason to buy used - you can throw them away and buy a new one that much sooner.
 
2014-04-06 06:52:02 PM
Sorry, Pervy McPervyson, but panties aren't on the list

shiat. Time to find a new name.
 
2014-04-06 06:52:25 PM
Trains. Don't buy new trains.
 
2014-04-06 06:52:50 PM
This has all the earmarks of an enjoyable thread. Will get the popcorn.
 
2014-04-06 06:53:01 PM
I think people can buy used computers that have been wiped and from offices that have upgraded computers. I think the majority of people do not need to splurge money on the latest and greatest if they only do basic things with their computers (web surf, email, moderate picture editing, streaming video, games that do not need the best CPU and GPU). There's no reason to spend on a new computer. Most people have slow computers because they don't do basic maintenance on their computers so it gets cluttered up and slow.
 
2014-04-06 06:53:07 PM

Rand's lacy underwear: Sorry, Pervy McPervyson, but panties aren't on the list

shiat. Time to find a new name.


Coincidentally, shiat is why I shouldn't-

Y'know what? Nevermind.
 
2014-04-06 06:53:37 PM

Ambivalence: Marcus Aurelius: Buy all your tools new and do not skimp on them in any way.  Buy the best and it will last a lifetime.

Cars, on the other hand, are disposable.  A check for $25k will get you a nice 3 year old ride you can beat the ever loving crap out of, and then get a new one five years later.

Jesus, who in the hell pays $25k for a car?  Not a truck or an SUV, mind you, a car.


Yeah, even NEW cars only run like 17k - 24k if you're buying a basic "gets you from A to B" vehicle or a light-duty truck.

If you're paying much more than 10 or maybe 12 for a used vehicle you're getting ripped off.
 
2014-04-06 06:54:15 PM

Barfmaker: TinyFist: " A screwdriver is a screwdriver. It's simple and no single one is really better than the other."

I will stab the author in the dick with one of my Klein flatheads or one of my Wiha's.

I'm not even joking.

Oh get off it, MOST people have no need for specialized or expensive tools. You do, that's great but you can't possibly think that it's anywhere near common.

I was a carpenter for many years and I have no idea what those brands are...sounds a tad hipsterish to me.


I understand why you are having a problem understanding this, carpenters are dumb, but don't worry about it you can keep buying shiat tools from harbor freight, if you want to
 
2014-04-06 06:54:31 PM
The list left off: Sex toys, toothbrushes, blowup dolls, and hair brushes. You can get a hefty discount on that shiat used.
 
2014-04-06 06:56:45 PM

Barfmaker: TinyFist: " A screwdriver is a screwdriver. It's simple and no single one is really better than the other."

I will stab the author in the dick with one of my Klein flatheads or one of my Wiha's.

I'm not even joking.

Oh get off it, MOST people have no need for specialized or expensive tools. You do, that's great but you can't possibly think that it's anywhere near common.

I was a carpenter for many years and I have no idea what those brands are...sounds a tad hipsterish to me.


it's not "specialized" or "expensive". it's cast bullshiat vs forged tools.
I've bent so many cheap-ass screwdrivers, it's really not worth buying the cheap ones.
 
2014-04-06 06:57:50 PM
Prostitutes, the brand new ones are way more expensive.
 
2014-04-06 06:57:53 PM

Marcus Aurelius: Ambivalence: Marcus Aurelius: Buy all your tools new and do not skimp on them in any way.  Buy the best and it will last a lifetime.

Cars, on the other hand, are disposable.  A check for $25k will get you a nice 3 year old ride you can beat the ever loving crap out of, and then get a new one five years later.

Jesus, who in the hell pays $25k for a car?  Not a truck or an SUV, mind you, a car.

330 horsepower hooked up to all wheel drive is not exactly inexpensive.  The tires alone cost $200 each.  And I don't drive much, but when I do, I like to have fun.

And if it makes you feel better, that's my NEXT car.  My current car is a loaded 2005 Nissan Altima 3.5 SL that I bought in 2008 for $15k.  I'm starting to get bored with it, but it has under 70,000 miles on it, so I can't very well get rid of it.  Which is another great reason to buy used - you can throw them away and buy a new one that much sooner.


Damn, that G37x is tempting.  I have a 2006 Mazdaspeed6 and love the AWD (minus having to buy four new tires each time).  It's got 274hp, and that Infiniti has almost 60 more.  Do these come along often?
 
2014-04-06 06:58:20 PM

Ambivalence


I am going to disagree on the cars. Used cars are not "a fraction of its original sticker price" at 2-3 years of age, not if they're any good.


FYI: 4/5, 5/7, and 2/3 are fractions.

"Fraction" does not necessarily mean "less than 50%".
 
2014-04-06 06:59:02 PM

Ambivalence: I am going to disagree on the cars.  Used cars are not "a fraction of its original sticker price" at 2-3 years of age, not if they're any good.  I buy new cars from quality manufacturers and I drive it for 10 years or more until I am literally sick of dealing with whatever issues arise. MY car.  MY butt groove on the seat.  broken in to MY driving style.


Or longer. My toyota is 12 years, 170k, solid as a rock. Gonna drive that car till the wheels fall off.
 
2014-04-06 07:00:00 PM

Jim_Callahan: Ambivalence: Marcus Aurelius: Buy all your tools new and do not skimp on them in any way.  Buy the best and it will last a lifetime.

Cars, on the other hand, are disposable.  A check for $25k will get you a nice 3 year old ride you can beat the ever loving crap out of, and then get a new one five years later.

Jesus, who in the hell pays $25k for a car?  Not a truck or an SUV, mind you, a car.

Yeah, even NEW cars only run like 17k - 24k if you're buying a basic "gets you from A to B" vehicle or a light-duty truck.

If you're paying much more than 10 or maybe 12 for a used vehicle you're getting ripped off.


Guess it all depends on whether you're paying 10-12K on a "gets you from A to B" vehicle.
 
2014-04-06 07:00:47 PM
Rigid = plumbing
Klein = electrical
Estwing = hammers
Craftsman = tape measures (free lifetime replacement)

Buy em once and you'll have em forever. Don't need to be a pro.
 
2014-04-06 07:02:04 PM

skinink: I think people can buy used computers that have been wiped and from offices that have upgraded computers. I think the majority of people do not need to splurge money on the latest and greatest if they only do basic things with their computers (web surf, email, moderate picture editing, streaming video, games that do not need the best CPU and GPU). There's no reason to spend on a new computer. Most people have slow computers because they don't do basic maintenance on their computers so it gets cluttered up and slow.


...but anything over about three years old is basically worthless, except Apple, in which case it's maybe six years.  Friends call me and ask if I need their old 2003 Windows XP desktop with a monster power-wasting 15" CRT and a whopping 120Gb hard drive, and I tell them, no, my phone is probably more powerful.

Place I used to work (large federal), used to put all their retired desktops on pallets and give them to churches and schools, until the churches and schools started telling us, "we already have Pentium IIs, why the fark do we want your old 286es?"  They all went to landfills after that.
 
2014-04-06 07:02:11 PM
Cars: YMMV
Baby and Toddler Clothing: Sure, if you need to save cash. That said, baby clothing is cheap compared to formula or diapers.
Books: Yes.
Fitness Equipment: Weights/Dumbbells - Yes. Anything with cables that suspend weights - be careful. Anything electric - nope.
Tools: Screwdrivers?! There's a second hand screwdriver market? The savings are worth the gas costs to drive out and pick a screwdriver up?
 
2014-04-06 07:02:45 PM

Ambivalence: Marcus Aurelius: Buy all your tools new and do not skimp on them in any way.  Buy the best and it will last a lifetime.

Cars, on the other hand, are disposable.  A check for $25k will get you a nice 3 year old ride you can beat the ever loving crap out of, and then get a new one five years later.

Jesus, who in the hell pays $25k for a car?  Not a truck or an SUV, mind you, a car.


Beats the hell out of me. Haven't seen a car that I wanted under $30k in ages.
 
2014-04-06 07:02:55 PM

Jim_Callahan: Ambivalence: Marcus Aurelius: Buy all your tools new and do not skimp on them in any way.  Buy the best and it will last a lifetime.

Cars, on the other hand, are disposable.  A check for $25k will get you a nice 3 year old ride you can beat the ever loving crap out of, and then get a new one five years later.

Jesus, who in the hell pays $25k for a car?  Not a truck or an SUV, mind you, a car.

Yeah, even NEW cars only run like 17k - 24k if you're buying a basic "gets you from A to B" vehicle or a light-duty truck.

If you're paying much more than 10 or maybe 12 for a used vehicle you're getting ripped off.


enjoy your plebemobile.

many of us like cars and see them as more than simple transit.
 
2014-04-06 07:03:57 PM

Jim_Callahan: If you're paying much more than 10 or maybe 12 for a used vehicle you're getting ripped off.


Not necessarily. Used car prices are far higher than they've been in recent history (much greater aversion to putting on more debt for financing so greater demand for lower priced alternatives, which drives the prices up for gently used).

There are some damn good alternatives for used, however. Previous rental cars, if they are "boring" vehicles, are great to pick up. Things like base-level sedans, minivans, and small non-AWD SUVs. Those were rented by older people, business people, or families for limited driving and were maintained by the rental company (mostly insurance reasons). They also weren't torn to hell by rental company staff because no one wants to do burn outs in a 2012 tan Malibu with cloth seats and the base radio.

The more expensive toys, especially used Jeeps (ESPECIALLY non-trail rated Wranglers) or pickups, were played with hard at rental companies. Most likely well maintained, but you're more likely to run into suspension/brakes/acceleration problems.

But used minivans? Hell, my dealership buys 4-5 of them from the Adesa auctions every two weeks and they sell all day long.
 
2014-04-06 07:04:00 PM
The thing about fitness equipment is doubly true with the stuff on TV.

A used gym bike with forty thousand miles is something other.
 
2014-04-06 07:05:23 PM
Or longer. My toyota is 12 years, 170k, solid as a rock. Gonna drive that car till the wheels fall off.
 
2014-04-06 07:06:50 PM

chitownmike: Barfmaker: TinyFist: " A screwdriver is a screwdriver. It's simple and no single one is really better than the other."

I will stab the author in the dick with one of my Klein flatheads or one of my Wiha's.

I'm not even joking.

Oh get off it, MOST people have no need for specialized or expensive tools. You do, that's great but you can't possibly think that it's anywhere near common.

I was a carpenter for many years and I have no idea what those brands are...sounds a tad hipsterish to me.

I understand why you are having a problem understanding this, carpenters are dumb, but don't worry about it you can keep buying shiat tools from harbor freight, if you want to


I'm a builder, and have been for 25 years. I've had the same set of Craftsman hand tools for twenty of those years, (the occasional replaced socket notwithstanding), which is a mid-range brand bought when I couldn't afford better.

I don't believe you have to buy the most expensive tools in order to get ones that will last.

But yes, stay out of Harbor Freight except to buy tools for over hire to borrow.
 
2014-04-06 07:08:56 PM
I buy used Real Dolls, but only if she's well taken care of. Many men get sick of the blonde or brunette and want a change of pace, and that's where I can get one for a fraction of the price, and believe me, they are pricey. I don't change their name, though, out of respect.
 
2014-04-06 07:09:12 PM

Marcus Aurelius: Buy all your tools new and do not skimp on them in any way.  Buy the best and it will last a lifetime.


Horse crap.

If you're an auto mechanic who puts your tools through high stress use on a daily basis, then maybe it's worth paying extra for snap-on or Craftsman, mostly because they will replace them for free if they ever break. But your average do-it-yourselfer is wasting their money on them.

I'm 50 and I've spent my whole life doing most of my own car repair and home improvement projects. Most of my tools are bought from Harbor Freight and they've lasted me for years and years. The only exception to that would be power tools. However even with that in mind there is no need to spend $250 on a Mikita or Dewalt circular saw when a $40 Black & Decker or Skil will do the job just fine.
 
2014-04-06 07:09:20 PM

Marcus Aurelius: 330 horsepower hooked up to all wheel drive is not exactly inexpensive.  The tires alone cost $200 each.  And I don't drive much, but when I do, I like to have fun.

And if it makes you feel better, that's my NEXT car.  My current car is a loaded 2005 Nissan Altima 3.5 SL that I bought in 2008 for $15k.  I'm starting to get bored with it, but it has under 70,000 miles on it, so I can't very well get rid of it.  Which is another great reason to buy used - you can throw them away and buy a new one that much sooner.


Well there's the thing, I don't drive for fun. I drive to get where I'm going.  I don't need power, I need reliablity and am a sucker for good engineering.  I think I paid $17k for my last car, new, WITH extended warranty and that was the most I ever spent on a car (Honda Fit if anyone's wondering).
 
2014-04-06 07:09:45 PM

Five things you should always buy used. Sorry, Pervy McPervyson, but panties aren't on the list


I was a little surprised not to see 'houses' on the list. Not sure if a house counts as a "thing" though.
 
2014-04-06 07:09:56 PM

skinink: I think people can buy used computers that have been wiped and from offices that have upgraded computers. I think the majority of people do not need to splurge money on the latest and greatest if they only do basic things with their computers (web surf, email, moderate picture editing, streaming video, games that do not need the best CPU and GPU). There's no reason to spend on a new computer. Most people have slow computers because they don't do basic maintenance on their computers so it gets cluttered up and slow.


Yah, a pentium 4 and up pretty much covers off your majority at-home use cases and they are being tossed like crazy everywhere.  I'd still probably put in a new power supply and possibly hard drive just to cover off those avenues of fatal crash.  Monitors are still in the buying new matters, at least until the last CRT on earth has been properly foised into the ocean where it belongs.

Personally I buy new parts only but I'm a PC gamer and over all power user but I make a tidy return on selling my older parts to friends and family that don't have such needs, works out well to offset the price of the new parts and they know they're getting vetted parts that have been haven't been completely abused.
 
2014-04-06 07:10:44 PM

Jim_Callahan: Ambivalence: Marcus Aurelius: Buy all your tools new and do not skimp on them in any way.  Buy the best and it will last a lifetime.

Cars, on the other hand, are disposable.  A check for $25k will get you a nice 3 year old ride you can beat the ever loving crap out of, and then get a new one five years later.

Jesus, who in the hell pays $25k for a car?  Not a truck or an SUV, mind you, a car.

Yeah, even NEW cars only run like 17k - 24k if you're buying a basic "gets you from A to B" vehicle or a light-duty truck.

If you're paying much more than 10 or maybe 12 for a used vehicle you're getting ripped off.


That's essentially the thought that crossed my mind the last time I bought a car.  15 grand for a 5 year old car with 100k miles on it?  No thanks.  There must have been something wrong with the used car market at the time.
 
2014-04-06 07:11:05 PM

Englebert Slaptyback: Ambivalence

I am going to disagree on the cars. Used cars are not "a fraction of its original sticker price" at 2-3 years of age, not if they're any good.


FYI: 4/5, 5/7, and 2/3 are fractions.

"Fraction" does not necessarily mean "less than 50%".


The use of "Fraction" implies a significant savings that does not exist.
 
2014-04-06 07:11:32 PM

Barfmaker: Oh get off it, MOST people have no need for specialized or expensive tools. You do, that's great but you can't possibly think that it's anywhere near common.

I was a carpenter for many years and I have no idea what those brands are...sounds a tad hipsterish to me.



I've got a pair of wirestrippers that was about $35.  If you use them once, I promise you'll go out and get a pair that day.

Sometimes a good tool is a good tool, and there's a world of difference between the house brands at Wal-Mart / Canadian Tire and the specialized hand tools you can get from a good shop.
 
2014-04-06 07:11:33 PM
I like new cars.  And knowing that I will be the first to inject deep cushion farts for whoever has to buy it used later.  You get what you pay for.
 
2014-04-06 07:12:41 PM

chitownmike: you can keep buying shiat tools from harbor freight


God I hate that store.   Quality tools are already such a good deal.  Why do people just have to save a few bucks and buy trash that will make doing the job suck?  I'm talking about both pros and homeowners.

Jim_Callahan: If you're paying much more than 10 or maybe 12 for a used vehicle you're getting ripped off.


And this is the problem with the article which is pure clickbait.  People have been saying that crap for decades.  But if you want a quality used Honda or Toyota, for example, you are going to pay a lot because they're in high demand.  Not a good deal.  Buy them new and fix everything under warranty, and you get 200k miles of use easily.   Or, buy a 3 year old Hyundai for a great price and immediately develop a good relationship with a mechanic or parts supplier.

Englebert Slaptyback: FYI:


FYI, the common phrase "a fraction of the cost" means a very small part, usually much less than half.  Don't be daft like the author of the piece.
 
CPB
2014-04-06 07:14:13 PM
"A screwdriver is a screwdriver. It's simple and no single one is really better than the other."

Perhaps for people who don't use tools to make a living, this is somewhat true.  Maybe.

/Witte guy, myself
 
2014-04-06 07:16:21 PM

Barfmaker: TinyFist: " A screwdriver is a screwdriver. It's simple and no single one is really better than the other."

I will stab the author in the dick with one of my Klein flatheads or one of my Wiha's.

I'm not even joking.

Oh get off it, MOST people have no need for specialized or expensive tools. You do, that's great but you can't possibly think that it's anywhere near common.

I was a carpenter for many years and I have no idea what those brands are...sounds a tad hipsterish to me.


Never heard of either brand before and looked them up. Wiha seems reasonably priced, and Klein seems like Gucci for men.  Paying big bucks for specialty tools like dremels and bits are ones thing, but I'm not paying $12 for one farking flathead screwdriver.
 
2014-04-06 07:16:45 PM

ReapTheChaos: Marcus Aurelius: Buy all your tools new and do not skimp on them in any way.  Buy the best and it will last a lifetime.

Horse crap.

If you're an auto mechanic who puts your tools through high stress use on a daily basis, then maybe it's worth paying extra for snap-on or Craftsman, mostly because they will replace them for free if they ever break. But your average do-it-yourselfer is wasting their money on them.

I'm 50 and I've spent my whole life doing most of my own car repair and home improvement projects. Most of my tools are bought from Harbor Freight and they've lasted me for years and years. The only exception to that would be power tools. However even with that in mind there is no need to spend $250 on a Mikita or Dewalt circular saw when a $40 Black & Decker or Skil will do the job just fine.


i'm no mechanic but as an active DIY'er i would say that one thing i've learned is that some tools are worth skimping on and some simply aren't...
i don't own snap-on tools because i can't afford them but i did buy a nice set of craftsman sockets (reg and impact) and both were great investments that saved me money and headache down the road.

however this entire discussion was precipitated by <b>baka-san</b>'s comment that is entirely true.  a screwdriver is not just a screwdriver.  whether you find it worth spending the money on a nice brand is up to you but i think a nice set of screwdivers makes all the difference from all the crappy ones you have in your toolbox.
same goes for quality drill bits.

i also like buying good saw blades....

i mean really, the more i think about it - like anything - you often get what you pay for.  and like anything, worth and value are subjective.
 
2014-04-06 07:17:34 PM

baka-san: Umm, no

"a screwdriver is a screwdriver"

no

Writer is a dumbass who probably doesn't even know "righty tighty, lefty loosy"


TinyFist: " A screwdriver is a screwdriver. It's simple and no single one is really better than the other."

I will stab the author in the dick with one of my Klein flatheads or one of my Wiha's.

I'm not even joking.


And what makes one flat head different then another flat head?
 
2014-04-06 07:18:09 PM
I bought my last used vehicle off of craigslist for $800 and it lasted me over 10,000 miles. A/C and windows all worked, as well as the radio. I don't see the sense in spending thousands upon thousands on vehicles when you're only using it to get you back and forth to work.
 
2014-04-06 07:18:35 PM

Mark Ratner: I buy used Real Dolls, but only if she's well taken care of. Many men get sick of the blonde or brunette and want a change of pace, and that's where I can get one for a fraction of the price, and believe me, they are pricey. I don't change their name, though, out of respect.


Goddamn it, my brand new Chromebook (literally 6 hours old) has coffee on it now - thanks!

/broken in as it should be
//s(p)lashies
 
2014-04-06 07:19:24 PM

Ambivalence: I am going to disagree on the cars.  Used cars are not "a fraction of its original sticker price" at 2-3 years of age, not if they're any good.  I buy new cars from quality manufacturers and I drive it for 10 years or more until I am literally sick of dealing with whatever issues arise. MY car.  MY butt groove on the seat.  broken in to MY driving style.


You would be wrong.  Arguably not only are used cars "a fraction of its original sticker price", Even new cars are a fraction of the sticker price.  98/100 is a fraction.  So is 91/100, and so on.  1/1 is even a fraction.
 
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