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2014-04-06 12:18:53 PM  
do not read Dragnet Nation
unless you want to be MORE paranoid about your privacy
 
2014-04-06 03:20:48 PM  
Those wingnut comments at the bottom make me sad for humanity.
 
2014-04-06 03:35:45 PM  
I thought Snowden's Leak was a one-time thing. Where does all this new intel keep coming from?
 
GBB
2014-04-06 03:43:40 PM  
Either my work has blocked something behind the graphic, or the NSA is being notified every time I try to click to see what's "next".
 
2014-04-06 03:46:07 PM  
12 exabytes doesn't sound like enough space to keep all the data that people think they keep.
 
2014-04-06 03:46:16 PM  

Gyrfalcon: I thought Snowden's Leak was a one-time thing. Where does all this new intel keep coming from?


It was a very large cache if documents. He handed everything over to the reporter, and the reporter is going through it all, and reporting each bit separately.
 
2014-04-06 03:46:41 PM  

Good luck, NSA. I'm behind seven saxophones!


images.popmatters.com

 
2014-04-06 03:58:37 PM  
As stupid as the comments on Fark are sometimes, they rarely top the comments on other sites.
Scrolling through the first several of those made my head hurt.
 
GBB
2014-04-06 03:58:49 PM  

No Soap Radio: 12 exabytes doesn't sound like enough space to keep all the data that people think they keep.


Once you eliminate all the duplicate media files it becomes more manageable.
 
2014-04-06 04:07:29 PM  
I stopped after reading "common data such as e-mail is often protected with encryption once it leaves a device." The author might be juuuust a bit out of its element here.

(Yes, I'll continue reading to see what the NSA does)
 
2014-04-06 04:31:09 PM  
Seems a lot of these require physical access to the device you want to spy on.
 
2014-04-06 04:33:40 PM  

skinink: Good luck, NSA. I'm behind seven saxophones!
[images.popmatters.com image 500x281]


Well done.
 
2014-04-06 04:37:47 PM  

Gyrfalcon: I thought Snowden's Leak was a one-time thing. Where does all this new intel keep coming from?


The Guardian's releasing a new set of documents every week. Very smart move, makes it much harder for the Obama admin to just ostrich till people forget.
 
2014-04-06 04:42:49 PM  
Your tax dollars at work citizens. Until people start uniting and standing up for the benefit of all mankind, governments will continue to take away our rights and freedoms. People need to remember that they hold all the power and not the governments. Until we do the world will continue to spiral downhill. Don't even think you are free, we are just all cattle making money to funnel up to the people who really matter in their minds. World hunger could easily be abolished in this day and age, the money is just used elsewhere instead for power and greed. 

Imagine how things would change if everyone just simply stopped using banks and went back to the barter system. The governments would shiat bricks.
 
2014-04-06 04:44:34 PM  
Scary tag on vacation?
 
2014-04-06 05:03:35 PM  

cyberspacedout: I stopped after reading "common data such as e-mail is often protected with encryption once it leaves a device." The author might be juuuust a bit out of its element here.

(Yes, I'll continue reading to see what the NSA does)


You use an email service that isn't using SSL?  I thought they all pretty much switched over to at least that on the in and out bound to a user's client like almost a decade ago.
 
2014-04-06 05:21:52 PM  

BumpInTheNight: cyberspacedout: I stopped after reading "common data such as e-mail is often protected with encryption once it leaves a device." The author might be juuuust a bit out of its element here.

(Yes, I'll continue reading to see what the NSA does)

You use an email service that isn't using SSL?  I thought they all pretty much switched over to at least that on the in and out bound to a user's client like almost a decade ago.


The message itself isn't encrypted, though. Once it's sent to another server, couldn't it easily be observed in transit?
 
2014-04-06 05:30:24 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2014-04-06 05:30:49 PM  

Jeepman1974: Imagine how things would change if everyone just simply stopped using banks and went back to the barter system. The governments would shiat bricks.



Yes, and it would completely cripple a modern society... What you propose is like curing the disease by killing the patient.

There are ways of encouraging change without returning to the dark ages.
 
2014-04-06 05:35:52 PM  

cyberspacedout: The message itself isn't encrypted, though. Once it's sent to another server, couldn't it easily be observed in transit?


The connection between your client and the server is wrapped in SSL encryption, meaning anything traveling through it is itself encrypted for the journey.  yes once the email is sitting somewhere on a server its up to that server's protections and the storage methods, but the author was referencing data in transit and yes wrapping the SMTP, POP or IMAP connections in SSL is encrypting them during that transit from your client to the first hop of the mail's journey and likely every other hop along the way.  Except for yahoo until recently, those idiots are well, idiots.
 
2014-04-06 05:42:16 PM  

cyberspacedout: The message itself isn't encrypted, though. Once it's sent to another server, couldn't it easily be observed in transit?


Yes. As far as I know, email still operates the same as it ever was since the early 1990's. Emails are not private- they're like postcards. Anyone who touches it can read the contents.

Thanks to SSL, your data is protected from casual snooping, but once it leaves the mail server it's unencrypted, and anyone who can hack the server or intercept the data en route can read its contents.

The only way you can avoid having your email spied on is by encrypting your email before it leaves your computer. Which would require the people at the other end to have the software to decrypt it, so it would be only between your encryption enthusiast friends.


I don't like it, but I just write it and send it. If anyone is intercepting it... they'll be awestruck by how boring my life is.
 
2014-04-06 05:42:16 PM  
The easiest way to get the NSA to stop doing shiat it shouldn't be doing is to cut their budget to 1/10 of it's current value.  Force them to concentrate on what is really important.  When they are given all the money they want, they will expand into every aspect of our lives.

This shiat has got to stop.
 
2014-04-06 05:45:39 PM  

Ikahoshi: cyberspacedout: The message itself isn't encrypted, though. Once it's sent to another server, couldn't it easily be observed in transit?

Yes. As far as I know, email still operates the same as it ever was since the early 1990's. Emails are not private- they're like postcards. Anyone who touches it can read the contents.

Thanks to SSL, your data is protected from casual snooping, but once it leaves the mail server it's unencrypted, and anyone who can hack the server or intercept the data en route can read its contents.

The only way you can avoid having your email spied on is by encrypting your email before it leaves your computer. Which would require the people at the other end to have the software to decrypt it, so it would be only between your encryption enthusiast friends.


I don't like it, but I just write it and send it. If anyone is intercepting it... they'll be awestruck by how boring my life is.


The only way you can ensure the security of your email is to use something like GPG.  The problem is it requires everyone you communicate with to use it, too.  If your mom can't easily install it and get it up and running, it aint' gonna happen.  She's still clicking on those bogus "virus detected" links and you expect her to secure her email?
 
2014-04-06 05:47:34 PM  
As an aside and even as low threat as it is, fark's login is clear text as well far as I can tell.  if you type your fark login & password into the site from a laptop in a coffee shop then anyone who's sniffing those packets can see it right there in the packet payload if they know what they're looking at, same with every comment submission afterwards.

That's the difference between http and https.
 
2014-04-06 05:52:16 PM  

namatad: do not read Dragnet Nation
unless you want to be MORE paranoid about your privacy

 
2014-04-06 05:55:36 PM  

Kit Fister: namatad: do not read Dragnet Nation
unless you want to be MORE paranoid about your privacy


Stupid browser.

I wish we could get the will amongst the people together to stand up and stop this shiat rather than just biatching about it.  Nothing's ever going to change so long as we're all so cowed that we won't get together and do something.
 
2014-04-06 06:14:05 PM  

Kit Fister: Kit Fister: namatad: do not read Dragnet Nation
unless you want to be MORE paranoid about your privacy

Stupid browser.

I wish we could get the will amongst the people together to stand up and stop this shiat rather than just biatching about it.  Nothing's ever going to change so long as we're all so cowed that we won't get together and do something.


What, exactly?
 
2014-04-06 06:17:13 PM  

Gyrfalcon: Kit Fister: Kit Fister: namatad: do not read Dragnet Nation
unless you want to be MORE paranoid about your privacy

Stupid browser.

I wish we could get the will amongst the people together to stand up and stop this shiat rather than just biatching about it.  Nothing's ever going to change so long as we're all so cowed that we won't get together and do something.

What, exactly?


I don't know, I guess that depends on what the people have the balls to stand up and do. At this point? APply more KY and fluff the pillow they're bent over, i guess.
 
2014-04-06 06:24:52 PM  
"all the bizarre ways the National Security Agency has cooked up to spy on people and governments"
ObamaNSA, Obamadrones, Obamaphones... Putin laughs and spreads his wings, oh Lord yeah
 
2014-04-06 06:54:31 PM  

OgreMagi: The easiest way to get the NSA to stop doing shiat it shouldn't be doing is to cut their budget to 1/10 of it's current value. Force them to concentrate on what is really important.  When they are given all the money they want, they will expand into every aspect of our lives.

This shiat has got to stop.

They could just say the budget was cut and then we are supposed to just believe them at face value? Also even if they did (which they won't) They would just rename the program to something else. Then start the process all over again...

 
2014-04-06 06:58:14 PM  

Ikahoshi: Jeepman1974: Imagine how things would change if everyone just simply stopped using banks and went back to the barter system. The governments would shiat bricks.


Yes, and it would completely cripple a modern society... What you propose is like curing the disease by killing the patient.

There are ways of encouraging change without returning to the dark ages.


You mean like how Russia is changing the Ukraine?
 
2014-04-06 07:15:46 PM  
If I were an IRATEMONK, I would BULLDOZER my way into a marks wifi and possibly DEITYBOUNCE their hardware.The FIREWALK might be a FEEDTHROUGH of FOXACID that could lead to HEADWATER. If the HALLUXWATER isn't good enough for the IRONCHEF, then I'll retreat to my NIGHTSTAND and perform a NIGHTWATCH with my CTX400. Hopefully no one sees my PHOTOANGLOsaxen self, or I'll have to hide behind another SURLYSPAWN.

Amirite?
 
2014-04-06 07:17:52 PM  

mmmk: If I were an IRATEMONK, I would BULLDOZER my way into a marks wifi and possibly DEITYBOUNCE their hardware.The FIREWALK might be a FEEDTHROUGH of FOXACID that could lead to HEADWATER. If the HALLUXWATER isn't good enough for the IRONCHEF, then I'll retreat to my NIGHTSTAND and perform a NIGHTWATCH with my CTX400. Hopefully no one sees my PHOTOANGLOsaxen self, or I'll have to hide behind another SURLYSPAWN.

Amirite?


I really want to get a vanity plate for my Wrangler that says 'DROPOUT', but nobody would get it.
 
2014-04-06 07:29:46 PM  

Man On Pink Corner: mmmk: If I were an IRATEMONK, I would BULLDOZER my way into a marks wifi and possibly DEITYBOUNCE their hardware.The FIREWALK might be a FEEDTHROUGH of FOXACID that could lead to HEADWATER. If the HALLUXWATER isn't good enough for the IRONCHEF, then I'll retreat to my NIGHTSTAND and perform a NIGHTWATCH with my CTX400. Hopefully no one sees my PHOTOANGLOsaxen self, or I'll have to hide behind another SURLYSPAWN.

Amirite?

I really want to get a vanity plate for my Wrangler that says 'DROPOUT', but nobody would get it.


Just put a big directional mic on roof along with a 360 cam. They might get the point. Dont forget the "Im from the Internet" slogan too.
 
2014-04-06 08:20:32 PM  

Kit Fister: Gyrfalcon: Kit Fister: Kit Fister: namatad: do not read Dragnet Nation
unless you want to be MORE paranoid about your privacy

Stupid browser.

I wish we could get the will amongst the people together to stand up and stop this shiat rather than just biatching about it.  Nothing's ever going to change so long as we're all so cowed that we won't get together and do something.

What, exactly?

I don't know, I guess that depends on what the people have the balls to stand up and do. At this point? APply more KY and fluff the pillow they're bent over, i guess.


OK, well, as long as I don't get blasted by everyone for saying "what would you like to do about it besides kvetching, because there's not a lot you can do at this point except stop using social media dummies."
 
2014-04-06 08:34:49 PM  
I got tired just reading all the work it takes to spy.
 
2014-04-06 08:59:00 PM  

Gyrfalcon: OK, well, as long as I don't get blasted by everyone for saying "what would you like to do about it besides kvetching, because there's not a lot you can do at this point except stop using social media dummies."


There is a point at which the government must be accountable to the people, and if our elected officials won't step in and put a stop to this.

The problem is, as I see it, is two fold:

1. The people of this country, just like in any country, are stopped by the atrophe that comes with a comfortable lifestyle that is not directly impugned by the behavior of our spying agencies, and as bad as we like to think things are in this country, they're not yet bad enough to take real, substantive action.

2. The leaders of this country benefit far too much from their positions, and from going along with the people who shiat on the people, to make any real effort to put a stop to this. After all, if your choices are lose everything you have fighting against the people who put us in this position, or stay on the gravy train and tacitly accept it, which would you prefer?

There's a lot of shiat going on in this country that really irks me, and the more it occurs, the more it just makes me sad. We live in a time when the rich just get richer, and the poor get shiat all over. The middle class fight, claws, tears, and turns cannibalistic to hold onto the illusion of a "good life", and at the same time, things just go off the rails.

I'm not saying the past was better, it had its own problems. But I get tired of seeing people working harder and harder just to stay in the same place, while the medications and addictions flow and people are stressed to the breaking point.

There was a time when I hated the "take care of each other" line of thinking because I like to think of myself as an individualist. But at the same time, we have more and more people breaking and shooting up the place, we have a completely disproportionate sense of reality, the dumbest people you can find are often the objects of obsession while the smartest are reviled, and we've begun to start throwing science out the window in favor of a particular form of insanity.

Who knows, maybe people've gotten bored. Maybe it's all the pollutants in the water. Hell, maybe it's just plain old karma. Who knows. All I know is, the number of people who actually give a shiat and want change are so small comparatively that we're effectively farked.

/If I had my druthers, the bankers on wallstreet would be burning at the stake
//Corporations would be held accountable for the mental and physical wellbeing of their employees
///People wouldn't have to choose between starvation and working themselves to death.
 
2014-04-07 12:07:53 AM  
The Achilles heel of big data and omnipresent surveillance is the limitations of human comprehension. Trees hide in plain sight in the forest.
 
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