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2014-04-06 04:35:45 PM

fnordfocus: hardinparamedic: You meant that picture? The one that was infamous for the symbolism of returning a refuge child to a toltarian country, not for "pointing a gun" at Elian?

Doesn't change the fact that he was actually pointing his weapon at the boy he was allegedly saving.

You're a cop.  Tell me you wouldn't kill me if I pointed a carbine at your chest, regardless of whether the safety was on or where my finger is.


He's actually a paramedic.  If you've ever seen those firefighters, security guards, and/or medics who have a kind of cop worship complex and/or kinda sorta want to either be cops or at least be accepted by them, then you'll have a good idea of bronymedic/hardinparamedic.
 
2014-04-06 04:36:19 PM

buckler: And the reason for his wife's call: "There were falling hazards, tripping hazards, all types of hazards, so No. 1 was concern for the children and concern for the environment," Dillard said.

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Then call farking OSHA.
 
2014-04-06 04:38:26 PM

buckler: And the reason for his wife's call: "There were falling hazards, tripping hazards, all types of hazards, so No. 1 was concern for the children and concern for the environment," Dillard said.

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THAT seems to be part of childhood and is a feature, not a bug.
 
2014-04-06 04:39:45 PM

offmymeds: I usually don't go around white-knighting cops, but this story doesn't quite add up. I can see the police responding to the 911 call mentioned in the story and maybe even going so far as to act like total assholes when talking to the kids. I just have a hard time trying to accept that a cop - any cop - would pull his sidearm on some 11 year-old and his friends. It just isn't very plausible. I've had dealings with cops of all kinds, some good and some bad. All it takes is one bad apple to spoil the bunch.


"I'm not saying that all cops are good, but I'm the Cop Whisperer, and I can tell from the words in this article that the attractive and successful kids are lying because all cops are good, or at least not dumb."
 
2014-04-06 04:42:01 PM
Construction of Muslim arboreal terrorist strong-point hide-out fortress stopped.

Good work, soldier
 
2014-04-06 04:47:15 PM

indylaw: offmymeds: I usually don't go around white-knighting cops, but this story doesn't quite add up. I can see the police responding to the 911 call mentioned in the story and maybe even going so far as to act like total assholes when talking to the kids. I just have a hard time trying to accept that a cop - any cop - would pull his sidearm on some 11 year-old and his friends. It just isn't very plausible. I've had dealings with cops of all kinds, some good and some bad. All it takes is one bad apple to spoil the bunch.

"I'm not saying that all cops are good, but I'm the Cop Whisperer, and I can tell from the words in this article that the attractive and successful kids are lying because all cops are good, or at least not dumb."


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2014-04-06 04:49:25 PM

offmymeds: indylaw: offmymeds: I usually don't go around white-knighting cops, but this story doesn't quite add up. I can see the police responding to the 911 call mentioned in the story and maybe even going so far as to act like total assholes when talking to the kids. I just have a hard time trying to accept that a cop - any cop - would pull his sidearm on some 11 year-old and his friends. It just isn't very plausible. I've had dealings with cops of all kinds, some good and some bad. All it takes is one bad apple to spoil the bunch.

"I'm not saying that all cops are good, but I'm the Cop Whisperer, and I can tell from the words in this article that the attractive and successful kids are lying because all cops are good, or at least not dumb."

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You're right, Tommy Lee. No cops are borderline retarded psychopaths.
 
2014-04-06 04:52:48 PM

indylaw: offmymeds: indylaw: offmymeds: I usually don't go around white-knighting cops, but this story doesn't quite add up. I can see the police responding to the 911 call mentioned in the story and maybe even going so far as to act like total assholes when talking to the kids. I just have a hard time trying to accept that a cop - any cop - would pull his sidearm on some 11 year-old and his friends. It just isn't very plausible. I've had dealings with cops of all kinds, some good and some bad. All it takes is one bad apple to spoil the bunch.

"I'm not saying that all cops are good, but I'm the Cop Whisperer, and I can tell from the words in this article that the attractive and successful kids are lying because all cops are good, or at least not dumb."

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You're right, Tommy Lee. No cops are borderline retarded psychopaths.


You like using the biggest, widest brush available, don't you?
 
2014-04-06 04:54:23 PM
You can never have a legit discussion about who's right and what's wrong in these type of threads because the libertarian pot-smokers all immediately swarm the thread extolling how they know the cop is automatically in the wrong and declaring their undying devotion to hating cops and how America would be so much better off without any cops. It would be hilarious if it wasn't so pathetic and formulaic.
 
2014-04-06 04:58:05 PM

hardinparamedic: kling_klang_bed: The_Sponge: Will the police report mention that one of the kids pulled a slingshot first?

So that's why Bart Simpson isn't using his slingshot nowadays! Chief Wiggum might've had to pick him off.

Bart doesn't have to worry. He's white.


Point of order: he's yellow.
 
2014-04-06 05:02:00 PM

nytmare: You can never have a legit discussion about who's right and what's wrong in these type of threads because the libertarian pot-smokers all immediately swarm the thread extolling how they know the cop is automatically in the wrong and declaring their undying devotion to hating cops and how America would be so much better off without any cops. It would be hilarious if it wasn't so pathetic and formulaic.


Not to mention those who know or want so desperately to believe that any story about police misconduct must be false because no public servant could be stupid, venal or insane, right?

RIGHT???!?
 
2014-04-06 05:04:46 PM

hardinparamedic: I am not a Tactical Paramedic. I am not a commissioned LE officer. I don't even carry a gun while on duty.


Thanks, I've updated my notes, but I think my original point stands.

It's not rare for Law Enforcement Officers to act with active disregard to the safety of small children.
 
2014-04-06 05:04:58 PM

hardinparamedic: fnordfocus: Doesn't change the fact that he was actually pointing his weapon at the boy he was allegedly saving.

The angle of the photo would disagree. He's actually holding it to the side. In addition, that MP5 does not have a sling. To use his hand, he has to hold it to the side, or drop the gun in the presence of an uncontrolled individual during a raid.

Which seems smarter: Dropping an automatic weapon, or holding it to the side with nothing on the trigger?

fnordfocus: You're a cop.

No, I'm not. :| What the hell gave you that idea?

fnordfocus: Tell me you wouldn't kill me if I pointed a carbine at your chest, regardless of whether the safety was on or where my finger is.

One of these situations is not like the other.

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You're right.  It's completely harmless..  I tell you what, you stroll on up to President Obama with an MP5 and maintain trigger discipline with the safety on and the point every so slightly askew from dead center mass aim and I'm sure the SS will be understanding.
 
2014-04-06 05:06:02 PM
when a neighbor in the next subdivision called police to complain about what the boys were doing.

You're not even in the same subdivision? Mind your own farking business you cock. WTF is wrong with people?
 
2014-04-06 05:11:22 PM
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The treehouse in question
 
2014-04-06 05:12:52 PM

nytmare: You can never have a legit discussion about who's right and what's wrong in these type of threads because the libertarian pot-smokers all immediately swarm the thread extolling how they know the cop is automatically in the wrong and declaring their undying devotion to hating cops and how America would be so much better off without any cops. It would be hilarious if it wasn't so pathetic and formulaic.


Are you using sustainable methods to harvest all the straw for those strawmen?
 
2014-04-06 05:30:06 PM
1) "11-year-old building tree fort says officer pulled gun on him"

2) "Omari told Diamant that two officers, one with his gun drawn, rolled up on him and a few of his friends as they built a fort in the trees behind his home."

Odd choice of phrasing for a news article.

3a) Article by Aaron Diamant
3b) "Diamant ran what Omari told him past Edgar Dillard"

And apparently the author talks about himself in the third person.
 
2014-04-06 05:34:22 PM

NFA [TotalFark]
2014-04-06 01:33:42 PM

Marcus Aurelius: "If it was justified then we'll deal with it, if it wasn't we'll address it as well," said Sgt. Joey Smith with the Henry County Police Department

Of course you will. We all have so much faith in the police self-policing themselves. Maybe you can go out and shoot some puppies afterwards.


WHO WATCHES THE WATCHERS?

Perhaps you should go look up where that saying came from.
 
2014-04-06 05:37:25 PM
nijika

But seriously where are they hiring these cops? Where do you find people who are willing to point a killing device at a child?
1940's germany, stalin's purges, Waco tx, and decades of other examples in american history and it still hasn't sunk in that the state can always find people willing to kill children?
 
2014-04-06 05:44:29 PM

Hobodeluxe: ya know back when I was a kid our neighbors would have either come out there and told us to be careful if they were concerned about our safety or told my parents about their concern. Not call 911 and have the cops show up.


So much this. Our son probably hacked a few tree limbs in his fort building days. If a neighbor had called the police rather than walking her fat ass down to our house, she would've gotten a visit from me. I'm not sure I believe police pulled a gun on these boys, but what an over-reaction by the neighbor.

It may be that your ranking system of environment protection over meaningful human interaction is flawed. Also, living in a subdivision situated so closely to another subdivision speaks volumes about your 'concern' for the environment.
 
2014-04-06 05:44:43 PM
hardinparamedic

the finger isn't on the trigger,
>> Feinstein like typing detected
So as long as the thug has his finger off the trigger your wife/gf/daughter wasn't threatened. Got it.
 
2014-04-06 05:47:54 PM

ArcadianRefugee: 1) "11-year-old building tree fort says officer pulled gun on him"

2) "Omari told Diamant that two officers, one with his gun drawn, rolled up on him and a few of his friends as they built a fort in the trees behind his home."

Odd choice of phrasing for a news article.

3a) Article by Aaron Diamant
3b) "Diamant ran what Omari told him past Edgar Dillard"

And apparently the author talks about himself in the third person.


Omari seems to have some street savvy, please pray for him.
 
2014-04-06 05:48:20 PM
This incompetent, power tripping, idiot LEO should never be allowed a position of authority.  Unfortunately, the police union will make sure he is punished with two weeks of paid leave.
 
2014-04-06 05:52:48 PM
Remember, for most cops hired in the last 10 years, civilian = insurgent.
 
2014-04-06 05:58:18 PM

BigNumber12: Did anyone other than the kid(s) witness this? Because it's totally unheard-of for a vengeful, powerless-feeling kiddo to embellish the truth, especially when it results in free sympathy!


Even if this is the case fark the police all the same. If you are not one of them you should avoid them.
 
2014-04-06 05:58:49 PM

OnlyM3: nijika

But seriously where are they hiring these cops? Where do you find people who are willing to point a killing device at a child?1940's germany, stalin's purges, Waco tx, and decades of other examples in american history and it still hasn't sunk in that the state can always find people willing to kill children?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TtqPlB-oC4w
 
2014-04-06 06:02:32 PM
The only way to stop a bad guy with a treehouse is a good guy with a treehouse.
 
2014-04-06 06:06:36 PM

teenage mutant ninja rapist: BigNumber12: Did anyone other than the kid(s) witness this? Because it's totally unheard-of for a vengeful, powerless-feeling kiddo to embellish the truth, especially when it results in free sympathy!

Even if this is the case fark the police all the same. If you are not one of them you should avoid them.


Yeah, that's about the level of logic I've come to expect in Fark Cop-Hate Circle Jerk threads. "Who cares if the event actually happened, the cop should be jailed for daring to speak to a disadvantaged youth without proper Respect!"

Also, it's amusing that most of you guys are all "Fark the cops!!1!" right up until you need one, and then you'll be their biggest fan.  My 3-year-old has a similar relationship with the authority figures in our home.
 
2014-04-06 06:06:50 PM

That Guy Jeff: And the reason for his wife's call: "There were falling hazards, tripping hazards, all types of hazards, so No. 1 was concern for the children and concern for the environment," Dillard said.

This woman is a piece of shiat. I hope she has an incredibly painful heart attack from all this attention she's generated. Or at the very least, feels really, really shiatty about getting jackbooted thugs to pull a gun on children.


Yep, never let it be said that us overreacting Baby Boomers haven't justified our stupidity by saying "but it's for our precious children's own good".
 
2014-04-06 06:12:06 PM
BigNumber12:

Also, it's amusing that most of you guys are all "Fark the cops!!1!" right up until you need one, and then you'll be their biggest fan.  My 3-year-old has a similar relationship with the authority figures in our home.

If I had the ability to see into the future, I sure as hell wouldn't be wasting time posting here.
 
2014-04-06 06:15:41 PM

anuran: Hmmmm.....
Neighbor called 911 because of noise
Kid was in his own backyard with a parent in the house
Georgia cop shows up and points gun at kid "for his own safety"
Police promise to look into it and see if threatening unarmed 11 year old with deadly force was justified

Without looking I can tell you a something the pig, the chief and neighbor have in common with each other and not with the child

My awesome powers of Prophecy say the cop will be exonerated. The Department will demand more money from the City for training. The parents have a 50/50 of being cited. The neighbor won't get cited for misusing the emergency 911 service


Read TFA...the kid wasn't in his backyard. He was on someone else's property cutting down trees. He didn't deserve to have a gun pointed at him, but he did deserve to have the cops called on him.
 
2014-04-06 06:18:20 PM
I don't believe this story. We only get one side and it appears to be a very slanted side at that.
 
2014-04-06 06:22:31 PM

pedrop357: BigNumber12:

Also, it's amusing that most of you guys are all "Fark the cops!!1!" right up until you need one, and then you'll be their biggest fan.  My 3-year-old has a similar relationship with the authority figures in our home.

If I had the ability to see into the future, I sure as hell wouldn't be wasting time posting here.


Unless teenage mutant ninja rapist lives either in an armed compound in Montana, or a neighborhood like the one in Training Day, I'm feeling pretty confortable that I know where he's turning when he's the victim of a crime.
 
2014-04-06 06:26:34 PM

Big_Doofus: I don't believe this story. We only get one side and it appears to be a very slanted side at that.


But look at all of the useful outrage it's generated in this Thread alone!
 
2014-04-06 06:28:05 PM

BigNumber12: Unless teenage mutant ninja rapist lives either in an armed compound in Montana, or a neighborhood like the one in Training Day, I'm feeling pretty confortable that I know where he's turning when he's the victim of a crime.


We already pay taxes for their services, insurance companies typically require police reports for claims, and the state doesn't grant nearly the same level of authority to private investigators or security companies, it only makes sense that most people will call the police for assistance.  That doesn't mean we're their biggest fans, or that we're even fans of them at all.
 
2014-04-06 06:28:40 PM
To quote a comment from a few months ago: "when your only tool is a gun, every problem looks like a black teenager".
 
2014-04-06 06:31:22 PM

Big_Doofus: I don't believe this story. We only get one side and it appears to be a very slanted side at that.


It doesn't take much for people to side against gang members in a news report given their proven behavior.  Same with members of the largest street gang in the country, given that there are thousands of videos of serious police misbehavior all of the country spanning decades.
 
2014-04-06 06:31:44 PM
This guy needs to let his hair down.

You know, like the officer that had his picture taken with a woman during the post game celebrations that Drew re-tweeted reports about this weekend.  Complete with a guy behind them being handcuffed
 
2014-04-06 06:31:47 PM

pedrop357: BigNumber12: Unless teenage mutant ninja rapist lives either in an armed compound in Montana, or a neighborhood like the one in Training Day, I'm feeling pretty confortable that I know where he's turning when he's the victim of a crime.

We already pay taxes for their services, insurance companies typically require police reports for claims, and the state doesn't grant nearly the same level of authority to private investigators or security companies, it only makes sense that most people will call the police for assistance.  That doesn't mean we're their biggest fans, or that we're even fans of them at all.


Even so, that still falls well short of teenage's original statement.
 
2014-04-06 06:52:45 PM

Gyrfalcon: BigNumber12: Did anyone other than the kid(s) witness this? Because it's totally unheard-of for a vengeful, powerless-feeling kiddo to embellish the truth, especially when it results in free sympathy!

I wondered if anyone else noticed this.

We have a third-hand report--the kid's mom says this is what the boy told her happened after the cops left--and everyone is taking it as gospel truth.

You don't consider maybe the KID is lying to get out of trouble with his parents? Or the parents to avoid problems with the neighbor? I know cop hate is always strong on Sunday, but try to pry your mind open a little.


while you're clamping yours shut?
 
2014-04-06 07:00:52 PM

pedrop357: He's actually a paramedic. If you've ever seen those firefighters, security guards, and/or medics who have a kind of cop worship complex and/or kinda sorta want to either be cops or at least be accepted by them, then you'll have a good idea of bronymedic/hardinparamedic.


You know what I find funny? You keep insisting on this being my mentality despite not even having a functional knowledge of any of my beliefs, past behaviors and encounters, or actions involving law enforcement or police in any shape, form, or fashion. Especially since things I've posted run contrary to your portrait you've continually tried to paint of me.

But if making up stuff - including made up justifications completely ignorant of my motivations - to feel superior to the fact I disagree with you on things like DUI roadblocks and your black and white view of the world, then more power to you, champ.
 
2014-04-06 07:07:51 PM
thepatriotperspective.files.wordpress.com
 
2014-04-06 07:14:37 PM
I submitted this with a better headline three days ago.
 
2014-04-06 07:57:45 PM
Yeah, seems unlikely really.

11 year old vandals, doing things in secluded wooded areas that nobody else can see into have absolutely every reason to lie vs policeman casually waving guns around, manhandling kids half his size for no reason, and getting called out on it.

Yeah. Having known my share of 11 year olds and adults seeking lawsuits, only an idiot would bet on the events as given being most likely imo.
 
2014-04-06 08:00:39 PM
"Rise of the Warrior Cop" by Radley Balko.
That's all the explanation that is needed...
 
2014-04-06 08:16:35 PM
Basic gun safety says you don't point a gun at anything you don't intend to kill... is there any definition to what makes a justifiable threat warranting being held by gunpoint, or are all explanations accepted as valid unless obviously and egregiously wrong?
 
2014-04-06 08:18:39 PM

Clark W Griswald: Gyrfalcon: BigNumber12: Did anyone other than the kid(s) witness this? Because it's totally unheard-of for a vengeful, powerless-feeling kiddo to embellish the truth, especially when it results in free sympathy!

I wondered if anyone else noticed this.

We have a third-hand report--the kid's mom says this is what the boy told her happened after the cops left--and everyone is taking it as gospel truth.

You don't consider maybe the KID is lying to get out of trouble with his parents? Or the parents to avoid problems with the neighbor? I know cop hate is always strong on Sunday, but try to pry your mind open a little.

while you're clamping yours shut?


Where are you getting that? Here are the three scenarios I came up with:

The neighbor called 911 to report the kids cutting off tree limbs in her yard. This is a known fact. The cops arrived and found said kids cutting branches off the trees. Then something happened:

1. It happened exactly like the kid said: The cops showed up and ordered a bunch of 11-year olds into a felony-prone position. Then they "walked the kid home," and handed him over to his parents. Cops assume kid is so terrified he won't say anything about their abuse of power.

2. The cops showed up, scolded the kids, and walked him home. Parents said "WTF is this? Why did the cops bring you back?" Kid, not wanting to get in trouble for being on neighbor's property, makes up this cock&bull story about being rousted by the pigs.

3. Cops showed up, walked the kid home, told the parents where kid was found. Parents know neighbor is a litigious busybody and to deflect attention from their darling snowflake, make up this b/s story about how the police mishandled their angel so the neighbor will stay small and silent, not wanting to get involved in this mess.
3a. Cops showed up, walked kid home. Parents saw $$$, made up story about horrible trauma to poor victimized child, invented story about police brutality to get fat settlement from city.

People lie. Kids lie. Cops lie.

And as proof, I offer the sad story of a child whose dog was brutally hanged in a playground by three vicious teenagers. The entire town went on high alert, looking for these savage brutes, and sympathy and offers of new dogs poured in to the traumatized child--until it came out that he had been playing alone and the dog's leash got caught in the ladder of the slide. (Edmonton Journal, July 2002)

Unless or until we learn more, I can see ALL of these scenarios being equally plausible. Cops can be mean bullies; kids can be liars; neighbors can be lawsuit-happy freaks and people will lie to keep them off their backs. I'm not the closed-minded one here.
 
2014-04-06 08:42:36 PM

evilmousse: Basic gun safety says you don't point a gun at anything you don't intend to kill... is there any definition to what makes a justifiable threat warranting being held by gunpoint, or are all explanations accepted as valid unless obviously and egregiously wrong?


No. There's really no excuse for pointing a gun at an 11 year old, unless that 11 year old has a gun/chainsaw/etc.
 
2014-04-06 08:55:15 PM

fnordfocus: The Chicago PD, who held an 11-month old baby at gunpoint and expected him to understand an order to show his hands.


LOL, there were 6 children from 11 months to 13 years old he was talking to.  Way to cherry pick some bad data and then try to tailor it to your needs.  But hey, you're on a mission, don't let facts stop you.  I just love how you embellish the details with your own "...and expected him to understand an order..."  Top notch anti-realism.
 
2014-04-06 08:55:36 PM

Gyrfalcon: Clark W Griswald: Gyrfalcon: BigNumber12: Did anyone other than the kid(s) witness this? Because it's totally unheard-of for a vengeful, powerless-feeling kiddo to embellish the truth, especially when it results in free sympathy!

I wondered if anyone else noticed this.

We have a third-hand report--the kid's mom says this is what the boy told her happened after the cops left--and everyone is taking it as gospel truth.

You don't consider maybe the KID is lying to get out of trouble with his parents? Or the parents to avoid problems with the neighbor? I know cop hate is always strong on Sunday, but try to pry your mind open a little.

while you're clamping yours shut?

Where are you getting that? Here are the three scenarios I came up with:

The neighbor called 911 to report the kids cutting off tree limbs in her yard. This is a known fact. The cops arrived and found said kids cutting branches off the trees. Then something happened:

1. It happened exactly like the kid said: The cops showed up and ordered a bunch of 11-year olds into a felony-prone position. Then they "walked the kid home," and handed him over to his parents. Cops assume kid is so terrified he won't say anything about their abuse of power.

2. The cops showed up, scolded the kids, and walked him home. Parents said "WTF is this? Why did the cops bring you back?" Kid, not wanting to get in trouble for being on neighbor's property, makes up this cock&bull story about being rousted by the pigs.

3. Cops showed up, walked the kid home, told the parents where kid was found. Parents know neighbor is a litigious busybody and to deflect attention from their darling snowflake, make up this b/s story about how the police mishandled their angel so the neighbor will stay small and silent, not wanting to get involved in this mess.
3a. Cops showed up, walked kid home. Parents saw $$$, made up story about horrible trauma to poor victimized child, invented story about police brutality to get fat settlement from city ...


In this situation all the stories reeked of bullsh*t.
 
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