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(WSBTV)   Cop pulls gun on children because building a tree house is 'hazardous'. Which is true when you take into account the gun-wielding power trippers who hate childhood   (wsbtv.com) divider line 171
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2014-04-06 11:55:34 AM  
Will the police report mention that one of the kids pulled a slingshot first?
 
2014-04-06 11:59:18 AM  
"If it was justified then we'll deal with it, if it wasn't we'll address it as well," said Sgt. Joey Smith with the Henry County Police Department

Of course you will.  We all have so much faith in the police self-policing themselves.  Maybe you can go out and shoot some puppies afterwards.
 
2014-04-06 12:11:07 PM  
Isolated incident

/nothing to see here
//move along, citizens... move along
///or else
 
2014-04-06 12:12:37 PM  
Where was their farking permit??  Rotten kids these days get away with murder.

/when I was a kid we had to walk up hill both ways to get  a permit
//in 3 feet of snow
///get off my lawn
 
2014-04-06 01:06:39 PM  
Lotsa bullsh*t in tfa, from more than one source.
 
NFA [TotalFark]
2014-04-06 01:33:42 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: "If it was justified then we'll deal with it, if it wasn't we'll address it as well," said Sgt. Joey Smith with the Henry County Police Department

Of course you will.  We all have so much faith in the police self-policing themselves.  Maybe you can go out and shoot some puppies afterwards.



WHO WATCHES THE WATCHERS?
 
2014-04-06 02:27:35 PM  
In before I get called out in this thread.
 
2014-04-06 02:34:14 PM  
What is this, amateur hour?  You're supposed to fire tear gas rounds into the tree house first.
 
2014-04-06 02:56:17 PM  
And the reason for his wife's call: "There were falling hazards, tripping hazards, all types of hazards, so No. 1 was concern for the children and concern for the environment," Dillard said.

This woman is a piece of shiat. I hope she has an incredibly painful heart attack from all this attention she's generated. Or at the very least, feels really, really shiatty about getting jackbooted thugs to pull a gun on children.
 
2014-04-06 02:56:27 PM  
Of course they're blah. Now we won't know who to believe.
 
2014-04-06 02:56:54 PM  
They should have listened to Chris Rock and got a white friend.
 
2014-04-06 02:57:00 PM  
I think we need to hear the Whole Story(tm).

But seriously where are they hiring these cops? Where do you find people who are willing to point a killing device at a child?
 
GBB
2014-04-06 02:58:19 PM  
TFA: "I was thinking that I don't want to be shot today, so I just listened to what they said," Omari said.

Best lesson you'll ever learn, kid.   And, your parents didn't even have to do a thing to teach it.  So it's a win for them too!
 
2014-04-06 02:58:55 PM  
I wondeR why A Cop would do somEthing like this.
 
2014-04-06 02:59:43 PM  
Hmmmm.....
Neighbor called 911 because of noise
Kid was in his own backyard with a parent in the house
Georgia cop shows up and points gun at kid "for his own safety"
Police promise to look into it and see if threatening unarmed 11 year old with deadly force was justified

Without looking I can tell you a something the pig, the chief and neighbor have in common with each other and not with the child

My awesome powers of Prophecy say the cop will be exonerated. The Department will demand more money from the City for training. The parents have a 50/50 of being cited. The neighbor won't get cited for misusing the emergency 911 service
 
2014-04-06 03:00:55 PM  
Cops pointing guns at a black kid isn't really unusual.  The amazing thing is that some kids were PLAYING OUTSIDE!  Their smart phones must have been charging or maybe the tv was broken.
 
2014-04-06 03:02:32 PM  

nijika: I think we need to hear the Whole Story(tm).

But seriously where are they hiring these cops? Where do you find people who are willing to point a killing device at a child?


Pretty sure we trained a couple million people to do just that in Iraq and Afghanistan.
 
2014-04-06 03:03:56 PM  

NFA: Marcus Aurelius: "If it was justified then we'll deal with it, if it wasn't we'll address it as well," said Sgt. Joey Smith with the Henry County Police Department

Of course you will.  We all have so much faith in the police self-policing themselves.  Maybe you can go out and shoot some puppies afterwards.


WHO WATCHES THE WATCHERS?


The Picard, of course.

img.fark.net
 
2014-04-06 03:04:22 PM  

rbuzby: Cops pointing guns at a black kid isn't really unusual. The amazing thing is that some kids were PLAYING OUTSIDE! Their smart phones must have been charging or maybe the tv was broken.


Hey, what do you think made them suspicious in the first place?

//ok, ok, we all know it was the black thing..
 
2014-04-06 03:04:53 PM  
Tree houses aren't safe these days.

Times have changed.
 
2014-04-06 03:05:17 PM  
<i>I learned that they're supposed to help you not make you feel scared to even come outside </i>

Life lesson learned little fella. Life lesson learned...
 
2014-04-06 03:06:16 PM  

nijika: I think we need to hear the Whole Story(tm).

But seriously where are they hiring these cops? Where do you find people who are willing to point a killing device at a child?


They gravitate naturally to jobs where they are not only allowed, but expected, to have these killing devices. And some of them are smart enough to trick geniuses like you into giving them the job.

/so naturally we should disallow anyone else from carrying these killing devices
//because once we no longer have any means to correct our mistakes, we will never make mistakes again
 
2014-04-06 03:06:25 PM  
Any cop who feels he has to pull a gun on an group of 5th graders should just hand in his badge.

He's too much of a pussy to walk a beat.

I take that back. That was an insult to pussies.
 
2014-04-06 03:06:26 PM  
2 cops took out their "fort"?  Fort fail!
 
2014-04-06 03:07:18 PM  
Only the police can be trusted with firearms.
 
2014-04-06 03:07:22 PM  
This is a case of kids having fun while Black. We can't have that!
Seriously, this is in Georgia, these kids are Black and apparently the cops are White. The spokesman certainly is. Nothing will be done.

anuran: The parents have a 50/50 of being cited.
THIS.
 
2014-04-06 03:08:31 PM  
"If it was justified then we'll deal with it, if it wasn't we'll address it as well," said Sgt. Joey Smith with the Henry County Police Department.

t.qkme.me
 
2014-04-06 03:08:35 PM  
Earth Day is coming up, the cop was just getting in the holiday spirit.
 
2014-04-06 03:09:44 PM  

That Guy Jeff: And the reason for his wife's call: "There were falling hazards, tripping hazards, all types of hazards, so No. 1 was concern for the children and concern for the environment," Dillard said.

This woman is a piece of shiat. I hope she has an incredibly painful heart attack from all this attention she's generated. Or at the very least, feels really, really shiatty about getting jackbooted thugs to pull a gun on children.


Well they can't come out and say there were black kids hanging out in the trees.  That would sound bad.
 
2014-04-06 03:10:15 PM  
Could be worse...
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2014-04-06 03:10:34 PM  

vodka: <i>I learned that they're supposed to help you not make you feel scared to even come outside </i>

Life lesson learned little fella. Life lesson learned...


Here in Seattle, we know to not approach the cops for any reason. They are still resisting reform even after the Feds cracked down on them.  The cops union publishes a newsletter that could be from the tea party.  They are an angry bunch that seems to want to crack heads every chance they get.  I'm referring to the few bad apples of course.  But you know how many apples we have here in Washington.  A lot.
 
2014-04-06 03:10:53 PM  
What a farking moron. Both of the cops involved. Farking morons, the lot of them.

Mirandized: This is a case of kids having fun while Black. We can't have that!
Seriously, this is in Georgia, these kids are Black and apparently the cops are White. The spokesman certainly is. Nothing will be done.


Yep.

Ned Stark: Only the police can be trusted with firearms.


Given some of the dreck that has come from some of the member's of FARK's Second Amendment "I AM THE DECIDER!" battalion (Trolling or not), I'd still feel safer around a cop than the average FARK Mall Ninja.
 
2014-04-06 03:11:19 PM  

Evil Twin Skippy: Any cop who feels he has to pull a gun on an group of 5th graders should just hand in his badge.

He's too much of a pussy to walk a beat.

I take that back. That was an insult to pussies.


Well maybe one of those slantways oriental pussies
 
2014-04-06 03:12:13 PM  
Would've loved to see these cops try that in the Favelas back in the day. Sure Lil' Zee/Lil' Dice (City Of God) would've had more than something to say about that!
 
2014-04-06 03:12:23 PM  
This is what lawsuits are for.
 
2014-04-06 03:13:07 PM  
Did anyone other than the kid(s) witness this? Because it's totally unheard-of for a vengeful, powerless-feeling kiddo to embellish the truth, especially when it results in free sympathy!
 
2014-04-06 03:13:30 PM  
well, im not defending the cops.  not enough info for me to lambaste them yet.  but in Atlanta some cop has had a gun pulled on them, if not shot at by 11 yr olds.  no, it's not common or rampant but i have no idea what actually happened.  i remember being approached at that age by cops asking me and my friends what we were doing throwing rocks behind a Wal-mart and we lied through our teeth (we were scaring birds away from the dumpsters) just to get them to leave us alone.  they didnt pull a gun but I was thought i was smart enough to lie to a cop. we rode our bikes around the block and came back 15 minutes later to throw more rocks.  im also white so maybe that's why no guns were involved. this was also the early 80s and not in a huge metropolitan city.  who knows.  who cares.

but yeah, regardless of race, at that age you want to lie to a cop so you dont get in trouble with the cops but moreso with your parents.  at least that's who i was more worried about.

meh, non-story for the outrage crowd, imo.  the kid might get 5-mins of fame at school for being in the news.  might be good or bad fame, i have no idea.  this will blow over before the week starts.
 
2014-04-06 03:14:33 PM  
The_Sponge: Will the police report mention that one of the kids pulled a slingshot first?

So that's why Bart Simpson isn't using his slingshot nowadays! Chief Wiggum might've had to pick him off.
 
2014-04-06 03:16:10 PM  

kling_klang_bed: The_Sponge: Will the police report mention that one of the kids pulled a slingshot first?

So that's why Bart Simpson isn't using his slingshot nowadays! Chief Wiggum might've had to pick him off.


Bart doesn't have to worry. He's white.
 
2014-04-06 03:16:57 PM  
Penalize the risk takers early, can't have that.
 
2014-04-06 03:17:14 PM  

GBB: TFA: "I was thinking that I don't want to be shot today, so I just listened to what they said," Omari said.

Best lesson you'll ever learn, kid.   And, your parents didn't even have to do a thing to teach it.  So it's a win for them too!



Came here to say this.
If nothing else, an important lesson was learned that day.
 
2014-04-06 03:17:47 PM  

nijika: I think we need to hear the Whole Story(tm).

But seriously where are they hiring these cops? Where do you find people who are willing to point a killing device at a child?


Yeah, we do. I keep wondering what the kids were using to cut the branches. Did they have a saw? Was it protocol to draw a gun due to the threat *snrk* of a hand saw? (There's no way it was chainsaw.) If so, they should really look into changing that policy...

Seriously, though, pulling on a gun on 11-year-olds being 11-year-olds. wtf?
 
2014-04-06 03:19:22 PM  
And the reason for his wife's call: "There were falling hazards, tripping hazards, all types of hazards, so No. 1 was concern for the children and concern for the environment," Dillard said.

     p.gr-assets.com
 
2014-04-06 03:19:45 PM  
I'm not a fark cop hater, but there needs to be some accountability. A civilian even suggesting that they have a gun is considered assault if unwarranted.

If a cop even touches his gun he should have to file a report why it was warranted.
If he pulls his gun, report plus supervisor called.
If he points his gun, report, supervisor, admin time, investigation.
 
2014-04-06 03:20:11 PM  

Canton: nijika: I think we need to hear the Whole Story(tm).

But seriously where are they hiring these cops? Where do you find people who are willing to point a killing device at a child?

Yeah, we do. I keep wondering what the kids were using to cut the branches. Did they have a saw? Was it protocol to draw a gun due to the threat *snrk* of a hand saw? (There's no way it was chainsaw.) If so, they should really look into changing that policy...

Seriously, though, pulling on a gun on 11-year-olds being 11-year-olds. wtf?


They were black 11 year olds.  That's like equal to the threat of 6 white 11 year olds.
 
2014-04-06 03:22:17 PM  

anuran: The neighbor won't get cited for misusing the emergency 911 service


My neighbor called 911 on me for having my front yard landscaped. He thought the landscapers were pulling out shrubs on his property. A cop shows up and said basically it was a civil issue. I had a copy of the original survey from 1940 and we were nowhere near his yard. Talk about being a douche, In fact it turns out his newly planted tree was on MY side. After it got dark I saw him outside digging it up and moving it.
 
2014-04-06 03:22:53 PM  
 
2014-04-06 03:23:06 PM  
"I learned that they're supposed to help you not make you feel scared to even come outside," Omari said.

Such innocence.

"If it was justified then we'll deal with it, if it wasn't we'll address it as well," said Sgt. Joey Smith with the Henry County Police Department.

If it was justified?  Obviously that 11 year old was a menace to society.  Should have called in the SWAT team for extra firepower.
 
2014-04-06 03:23:40 PM  
the news video said they would have the neighbor on there later to give his side of the story but I couldn't find that video anywhere on their site.
and of course they aren't giving out the name of the cop.
 
2014-04-06 03:23:40 PM  
trappedspirit

2 cops took out their "fort"? Fort fail!

Seriously, where was the boulder avalanche, the swinging log, the covered pit, the cargo net trap?
 
2014-04-06 03:24:20 PM  
So the only proof is the word of a fifth grader?


I gotta side with the police on this one.

/A sensor should record every time the gun is drawn.
 
2014-04-06 03:24:24 PM  
Pray for Omari.
 
2014-04-06 03:27:06 PM  
Treehouse huh?

what about all those weapons and crack stashed at that 'tree house'.   these 11 year olds don't have me fooled.  they were planning to build a tactical control unit and use it to coordinate and attack Freedom in 'murica.  clever kids these days.

once again, the Republic has been saved by our men and women in uniform.
 
2014-04-06 03:28:04 PM  
ya know back when I was a kid our neighbors would have either come out there and told us to be careful if they were concerned about our safety or told my parents about their concern. Not call 911 and have the cops show up.
 
2014-04-06 03:28:18 PM  

PapaChester: So the only proof is the word of a fifth grader?


I gotta side with the police on this one.

/A sensor should record every time the gun is drawn.



those black kids are very dangerous.  watch out when you're outside.  god blesses ya'.
 
2014-04-06 03:29:01 PM  

The Flexecutioner: well, im not defending the cops.  not enough info for me to lambaste them yet.


The Flexecutioner: meh, non-story for the outrage crowd, imo.


That's like three different tiles on my bingo card!  Thanks man.
 
2014-04-06 03:29:24 PM  

hardinparamedic: Given some of the dreck that has come from some of the member's of FARK's Second Amendment "I AM THE DECIDER!" battalion (Trolling or not), I'd still feel safer around a cop than the average FARK Mall Ninja.


Sure, but the choice isn't one or the other. Its either, neither, or both. Neither and either[gasden flaggers only] can obviously be eliminated out of hand, the state would never plausibly consent to those choices. So, you wanna be locked in a room with a bunch or armed lunatics who are organized trained and directed for maximum lunacy or in a room with a bunch of armed lunatics drawn randomly from the population at large only some of whom are on a team organized, trained, etc. etc. for maximum lunacy?
 
2014-04-06 03:29:44 PM  

PapaChester: So the only proof is the word of a fifth grader?


I gotta side with the police on this one.

/A sensor should record every time the gun is drawn.


there was more than one. and afaik the cop didn't deny it. they are just going to claim they were justified to make them hit the ground and spread out to be searched at gunpoint.
 
2014-04-06 03:30:20 PM  
APRIL FOOLS!


4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2014-04-06 03:30:27 PM  

Plant Rights Activist: nijika: I think we need to hear the Whole Story(tm).

But seriously where are they hiring these cops? Where do you find people who are willing to point a killing device at a child?

Pretty sure we trained a couple million people to do just that in Iraq and Afghanistan.


That would also explain the kill-on-sight all dogs reaction a lot of newer police seem to have.
 
2014-04-06 03:31:12 PM  

hardinparamedic: kling_klang_bed: The_Sponge: Will the police report mention that one of the kids pulled a slingshot first?

So that's why Bart Simpson isn't using his slingshot nowadays! Chief Wiggum might've had to pick him off.

Bart doesn't have to worry. He's white.


Nah, he's asian.  Study it out.
 
2014-04-06 03:31:24 PM  

Hobodeluxe: ya know back when I was a kid our neighbors would have either come out there and told us to be careful if they were concerned about our safety or told my parents about their concern. Not call 911 and have the cops show up.



that is because back then, 'muricans lived in the Land of the Free and the home of the Brave.

now, they're a bunch of pussies building a Police State to protect their Owners and hoping they'll get some residual protection too.
 
2014-04-06 03:32:01 PM  

BigNumber12: Did anyone other than the kid(s) witness this? Because it's totally unheard-of for a vengeful, powerless-feeling kiddo to embellish the truth, especially when it results in free sympathy!


I wondered if anyone else noticed this.

We have a third-hand report--the kid's mom says this is what the boy told her happened after the cops left--and everyone is taking it as gospel truth.

You don't consider maybe the KID is lying to get out of trouble with his parents? Or the parents to avoid problems with the neighbor? I know cop hate is always strong on Sunday, but try to pry your mind open a little.
 
2014-04-06 03:32:31 PM  

nijika: But seriously where are they hiring these cops? Where do you find people who are willing to point a killing device at a child?


This is a surprise?

Aside from the famous picture of the Fed pointing his gun at Elián Gonzalez, there's

The Chicago PD, who held an 11-month old baby at gunpoint and expected him to understand an order to show his hands.

The Oklahoma Officer who negligently killed a 5-year old while trying to shoot a snake in a tree.

The San Diego Officer who shot an 8-year old child in an argument over a parking space.

The Detroit Officer who killed a 7-year old girl when he fired through a window without looking for his target.

The Ohio Officer who shot off a one-year old's finger in the process of killing his unarmed mother over a marijuana raid.

These are just ones I remember off the top of my head.  And, none of them are cases where an Officer accidentally shot a hostage or something like that.  They all show indifference by Officers to public safety, regardless of the age of the lowly civilian involved.
 
2014-04-06 03:32:38 PM  
Proles keeping the other proles afraid. Perfect concentration camp culture working as intended to keep the noise down for the bosses.
 
2014-04-06 03:35:24 PM  

astouffer: anuran: The neighbor won't get cited for misusing the emergency 911 service

My neighbor called 911 on me for having my front yard landscaped. He thought the landscapers were pulling out shrubs on his property. A cop shows up and said basically it was a civil issue. I had a copy of the original survey from 1940 and we were nowhere near his yard. Talk about being a douche, In fact it turns out his newly planted tree was on MY side. After it got dark I saw him outside digging it up and moving it.


he probably has a body or two stashed under his house.
 
2014-04-06 03:36:30 PM  
"If it was justified then we'll deal with it, if it wasn't we'll address it as well," said Sgt. Joey Smith with the Henry County Police Department.
Meantime, Henry County police won't confirm the name of the officers involved while their supervisors look into the matter.

I'm giving 1:100 odds that the entire thing gets brushed under the carpet and forgotten about. I'm giving 10000000:1 odds that the police are punished for what they did.
 
2014-04-06 03:36:34 PM  
I'm not a big fan of police and make a point of never talking to them.

Having said that, it sounds like maybe the kids left out some of the story..
 
2014-04-06 03:36:35 PM  

fnordfocus: Aside from the famous picture of the Fed pointing his gun at Elián Gonzalez, there's


You mean this picture?

encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com

Where the gun is held to the side of the person he's facing, the finger isn't on the trigger, and his thumb is on the safety selector?

You meant that picture? The one that was infamous for the symbolism of returning a refuge child to a toltarian country, not for "pointing a gun" at Elian?
 
2014-04-06 03:39:36 PM  

rbuzby: vodka: <i>I learned that they're supposed to help you not make you feel scared to even come outside </i>

Life lesson learned little fella. Life lesson learned...

Here in Seattle, we know to not approach the cops for any reason. They are still resisting reform even after the Feds cracked down on them.  The cops union publishes a newsletter that could be from the tea party.  They are an angry bunch that seems to want to crack heads every chance they get.  I'm referring to the few bad apples of course.  But you know how many apples we have here in Washington.  A lot.



yea, they do a good job of protecting their Owners.  we get some residual benefit, but its a fine line where they can turn against us.

they will NEVER turn against their Wealthy owners.
 
2014-04-06 03:40:58 PM  

hardinparamedic: You meant that picture? The one that was infamous for the symbolism of returning a refuge child to a toltarian country, not for "pointing a gun" at Elian?


Doesn't change the fact that he was actually pointing his weapon at the boy he was allegedly saving.

You're a cop.  Tell me you wouldn't kill me if I pointed a carbine at your chest, regardless of whether the safety was on or where my finger is.
 
2014-04-06 03:41:26 PM  
So, in addition to DWB, we have to worry about BATFWB?
 
2014-04-06 03:42:17 PM  
Not defending thug cops, no (see Iowa City IA, Eric Shaw).  However -- my impression from TFA was the kid wasn't in his own backyard (else how could the cops have escorted him home?), plus the little darlings were hacking limbs off trees that didn't belong to them.

/do you suppose it's time for me to take my meds?
 
2014-04-06 03:44:33 PM  

nijika: I think we need to hear the Whole Story(tm).

But seriously where are they hiring these cops? Where do you find people who are willing to point a killing device at a child?


Right here!  Sign right up.

http://www.co.henry.ga.us/police/CareerRequirements.shtml
 
2014-04-06 03:44:58 PM  
I guess I just wonder what police academy could possibly teach this as an acceptable response to kids "doing something I think is wrong".  WTF is next, call in SWAT?

What we have is called a dis proportionate response.

/when all you have is a hammer...
//it all starts to look like a nail...
///it's just easier if you don't have
////to think about it.
 
2014-04-06 03:46:13 PM  
www.moonbattery.com
 
2014-04-06 03:47:55 PM  

fnordfocus: Doesn't change the fact that he was actually pointing his weapon at the boy he was allegedly saving.


The angle of the photo would disagree. He's actually holding it to the side. In addition, that MP5 does not have a sling. To use his hand, he has to hold it to the side, or drop the gun in the presence of an uncontrolled individual during a raid.

Which seems smarter: Dropping an automatic weapon, or holding it to the side with nothing on the trigger?

fnordfocus: You're a cop.


No, I'm not. :| What the hell gave you that idea?

fnordfocus: Tell me you wouldn't kill me if I pointed a carbine at your chest, regardless of whether the safety was on or where my finger is.


One of these situations is not like the other.

img4.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2014-04-06 03:48:30 PM  
But no one anticipated what Omari and his mother say happened next.

/First of all, the mom wasn't there...second of all kids lie.  I can't believe that an officer would pull his weapon and point it at little children for building a tree house. If it did happen, which i doubt, he should be fired.   But kids lie because their feelings get hurt, or they want revenge.  I call bullshiat on this story.
 
2014-04-06 03:48:58 PM  
There needs to be an armed citizens group that retaliates against police for shiat like this. Chiefs will keep better control of their thugs if they know stepping over the line means an officer somewhere in their department will be murdered.
 
2014-04-06 03:49:18 PM  

Xanadone: Not defending thug cops, no (see Iowa City IA, Eric Shaw).  However -- my impression from TFA was the kid wasn't in his own backyard (else how could the cops have escorted him home?), plus the little darlings were hacking limbs off trees that didn't belong to them.

/do you suppose it's time for me to take my meds?


they were at the treeline that bordered their backyard yes.
 
2014-04-06 03:50:04 PM  

nijika: I think we need to hear the Whole Story(tm).

But seriously where are they hiring these cops? Where do you find people who are willing to point a killing device at a child?


Look at the flowers son. Look at the flowers.
 
2014-04-06 03:51:02 PM  
Wasn't this a bit of over-reacting to simply kids being kids?   Seriously.

/Stop - or I'll shoot!
 
2014-04-06 03:51:24 PM  

Evil Twin Skippy: Any cop who feels he has to pull a gun on an group of 5th graders should just hand in his badge.

He's too much of a pussy to walk a beat.

I take that back. That was an insult to pussies.


/ i was a cop for years, and i totally agree with you on this one.  The worst i did was handcuff a fifth grader for shoplifting candy and drove him around for a bit telling him he was going to jail.  Never had any problems with him after that.  The parents called in to thank me.  But...back to your point..i agree, but doubt the truth of the story.
 
2014-04-06 03:51:49 PM  

JesusJuice: There needs to be an armed citizens group that retaliates against police for shiat like this. Chiefs will keep better control of their thugs if they know stepping over the line means an officer somewhere in their department will be murdered.


What's stopping you, JJ. You talk about this every thread, but we never see any action out of you.

Go on. Be the an hero FARK needs.

Bit'O'Gristle: But kids lie because their feelings get hurt, or they want revenge.  I call bullshiat on this story.


Technically, the Chief admitted that the "incident' occurred in TFA. And, being Georgia, I'm willing to believe it.
 
2014-04-06 03:52:56 PM  

hardinparamedic: fnordfocus: Doesn't change the fact that he was actually pointing his weapon at the boy he was allegedly saving.

The angle of the photo would disagree. He's actually holding it to the side. In addition, that MP5 does not have a sling. To use his hand, he has to hold it to the side, or drop the gun in the presence of an uncontrolled individual during a raid.

Which seems smarter: Dropping an automatic weapon, or holding it to the side with nothing on the trigger?

fnordfocus: You're a cop.

No, I'm not. :| What the hell gave you that idea?


"Paramedic" is just another codeword for police officer. Duh.

/Sheesh
 
2014-04-06 03:53:55 PM  

Linux_Yes: PapaChester: So the only proof is the word of a fifth grader?


I gotta side with the police on this one.

/A sensor should record every time the gun is drawn.


those black kids are very dangerous.  watch out when you're outside.  god blesses ya'.


The cops took their training seriously "Around Blacks never relax"
 
2014-04-06 03:56:34 PM  

hardinparamedic: JesusJuice: There needs to be an armed citizens group that retaliates against police for shiat like this. Chiefs will keep better control of their thugs if they know stepping over the line means an officer somewhere in their department will be murdered.

What's stopping you, JJ. You talk about this every thread, but we never see any action out of you.

Go on. Be the an hero FARK needs.

Bit'O'Gristle: But kids lie because their feelings get hurt, or they want revenge.  I call bullshiat on this story.

Technically, the Chief admitted that the "incident' occurred in TFA. And, being Georgia, I'm willing to believe it.


/Ah..well...easy fix.  Fire that asshole. Bad judgment
 
2014-04-06 03:56:35 PM  

Canton: "Paramedic" is just another codeword for police officer. Duh.

/Sheesh


Damn! My cover's blown. :3
 
2014-04-06 03:57:00 PM  
Isn't building a tree house while black a felony?

3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2014-04-06 04:00:53 PM  

JesusJuice: There needs to be an armed citizens group that retaliates against police for shiat like this. Chiefs will keep better control of their thugs if they know stepping over the line means an officer somewhere in their department will be murdered.


24.media.tumblr.com
 
2014-04-06 04:01:03 PM  

Methadone Girls: Where was their farking permit??  Rotten kids these days get away with murder.

/when I was a kid we had to walk up hill both ways to get  a permit
//in 3 feet of snow
///get off my lawn


The state must control every thing you do. After all, poor kids cant afford yards to build tree forts within, so tree forts are exclusionary and inherently unfair.
 
2014-04-06 04:02:26 PM  
hardinparamedic:fnordfocus: You're a cop.

No, I'm not. :| What the hell gave you that idea?


I had a theory long ago that Officers are overrepresented on Fark, so I started taking notes.  You're tagged with your own quote "...I work on a Law Enforcement Medical/ Rescue Team."

To me, it reads that you're either an Officer in one of the few cities where the Police provide EMT services, or more likely an Officer trained as an Medic and attached to a SWAT team or similar group.
 
2014-04-06 04:04:39 PM  

hardinparamedic: JesusJuice: There needs to be an armed citizens group that retaliates against police for shiat like this. Chiefs will keep better control of their thugs if they know stepping over the line means an officer somewhere in their department will be murdered.

What's stopping you, JJ. You talk about this every thread, but we never see any action out of you.

Go on. Be the an hero FARK needs.

Bit'O'Gristle: But kids lie because their feelings get hurt, or they want revenge.  I call bullshiat on this story.

Technically, the Chief admitted that the "incident' occurred in TFA. And, being Georgia, I'm willing to believe it.


Fear of consequences, lack of resources, and inertia.
 
2014-04-06 04:04:53 PM  

fnordfocus: hardinparamedic:fnordfocus: You're a cop.

No, I'm not. :| What the hell gave you that idea?

I had a theory long ago that Officers are overrepresented on Fark, so I started taking notes.  You're tagged with your own quote "...I work on a Law Enforcement Medical/ Rescue Team."

To me, it reads that you're either an Officer in one of the few cities where the Police provide EMT services, or more likely an Officer trained as an Medic and attached to a SWAT team or similar group.


I work special event medical, cut people out of cars who have wrecked, search for people in the woods on a four wheeler or a boat on the Mississippi river, and occasionally get called out to search for evidence in murder cases where they ditched the gun and/or bodies in a lake.

I am not a Tactical Paramedic. I am not a commissioned LE officer. I don't even carry a gun while on duty.

Our job is strictly SAR and Medical on a volunteer team with who I volunteer with.
 
2014-04-06 04:17:35 PM  

studebaker hoch: Tree houses aren't safe these days.

Times have changed.


Not Much...Ya shoulda seen the treehouses I used to build down by the creek.

/we had the guns
//BB, but still...
///shot a lot of trespassers, mostly that gang across the canyon
////And squirrels, lotsa squirrrels
 
2014-04-06 04:20:30 PM  
I'm surprised the swat team didn't take them out.
 
2014-04-06 04:21:16 PM  

Pimparoo: I wondeR why A Cop would do somEthing like this.


Well the little black kids learned, don't go being black in public.
 
2014-04-06 04:32:17 PM  
I usually don't go around white-knighting cops, but this story doesn't quite add up. I can see the police responding to the 911 call mentioned in the story and maybe even going so far as to act like total assholes when talking to the kids. I just have a hard time trying to accept that a cop - any cop - would pull his sidearm on some 11 year-old and his friends. It just isn't very plausible. I've had dealings with cops of all kinds, some good and some bad. All it takes is one bad apple to spoil the bunch.
 
2014-04-06 04:33:32 PM  

One Bad Apple: In before I get called out in this thread.


L, O, Fark'in, L.
 
2014-04-06 04:34:28 PM  

The_Sponge: Will the police report mention that one of the kids pulled a slingshot first?


"He was gesticulating in a threatening and aggressive manner."

"I detected the distinctive odor of burning marijuana emanating from the premises"

"I calmly informed him that I was a police officer and ordered him to come out, but..."

/Tennessee v. Garner? What's that?
 
2014-04-06 04:35:45 PM  

fnordfocus: hardinparamedic: You meant that picture? The one that was infamous for the symbolism of returning a refuge child to a toltarian country, not for "pointing a gun" at Elian?

Doesn't change the fact that he was actually pointing his weapon at the boy he was allegedly saving.

You're a cop.  Tell me you wouldn't kill me if I pointed a carbine at your chest, regardless of whether the safety was on or where my finger is.


He's actually a paramedic.  If you've ever seen those firefighters, security guards, and/or medics who have a kind of cop worship complex and/or kinda sorta want to either be cops or at least be accepted by them, then you'll have a good idea of bronymedic/hardinparamedic.
 
2014-04-06 04:36:19 PM  

buckler: And the reason for his wife's call: "There were falling hazards, tripping hazards, all types of hazards, so No. 1 was concern for the children and concern for the environment," Dillard said.

     [p.gr-assets.com image 246x205]


Then call farking OSHA.
 
2014-04-06 04:38:26 PM  

buckler: And the reason for his wife's call: "There were falling hazards, tripping hazards, all types of hazards, so No. 1 was concern for the children and concern for the environment," Dillard said.

     [p.gr-assets.com image 246x205]


THAT seems to be part of childhood and is a feature, not a bug.
 
2014-04-06 04:39:45 PM  

offmymeds: I usually don't go around white-knighting cops, but this story doesn't quite add up. I can see the police responding to the 911 call mentioned in the story and maybe even going so far as to act like total assholes when talking to the kids. I just have a hard time trying to accept that a cop - any cop - would pull his sidearm on some 11 year-old and his friends. It just isn't very plausible. I've had dealings with cops of all kinds, some good and some bad. All it takes is one bad apple to spoil the bunch.


"I'm not saying that all cops are good, but I'm the Cop Whisperer, and I can tell from the words in this article that the attractive and successful kids are lying because all cops are good, or at least not dumb."
 
2014-04-06 04:42:01 PM  
Construction of Muslim arboreal terrorist strong-point hide-out fortress stopped.

Good work, soldier
 
2014-04-06 04:47:15 PM  

indylaw: offmymeds: I usually don't go around white-knighting cops, but this story doesn't quite add up. I can see the police responding to the 911 call mentioned in the story and maybe even going so far as to act like total assholes when talking to the kids. I just have a hard time trying to accept that a cop - any cop - would pull his sidearm on some 11 year-old and his friends. It just isn't very plausible. I've had dealings with cops of all kinds, some good and some bad. All it takes is one bad apple to spoil the bunch.

"I'm not saying that all cops are good, but I'm the Cop Whisperer, and I can tell from the words in this article that the attractive and successful kids are lying because all cops are good, or at least not dumb."


img338.imageshack.us
 
2014-04-06 04:49:25 PM  

offmymeds: indylaw: offmymeds: I usually don't go around white-knighting cops, but this story doesn't quite add up. I can see the police responding to the 911 call mentioned in the story and maybe even going so far as to act like total assholes when talking to the kids. I just have a hard time trying to accept that a cop - any cop - would pull his sidearm on some 11 year-old and his friends. It just isn't very plausible. I've had dealings with cops of all kinds, some good and some bad. All it takes is one bad apple to spoil the bunch.

"I'm not saying that all cops are good, but I'm the Cop Whisperer, and I can tell from the words in this article that the attractive and successful kids are lying because all cops are good, or at least not dumb."

[img338.imageshack.us image 400x266]


You're right, Tommy Lee. No cops are borderline retarded psychopaths.
 
2014-04-06 04:52:48 PM  

indylaw: offmymeds: indylaw: offmymeds: I usually don't go around white-knighting cops, but this story doesn't quite add up. I can see the police responding to the 911 call mentioned in the story and maybe even going so far as to act like total assholes when talking to the kids. I just have a hard time trying to accept that a cop - any cop - would pull his sidearm on some 11 year-old and his friends. It just isn't very plausible. I've had dealings with cops of all kinds, some good and some bad. All it takes is one bad apple to spoil the bunch.

"I'm not saying that all cops are good, but I'm the Cop Whisperer, and I can tell from the words in this article that the attractive and successful kids are lying because all cops are good, or at least not dumb."

[img338.imageshack.us image 400x266]

You're right, Tommy Lee. No cops are borderline retarded psychopaths.


You like using the biggest, widest brush available, don't you?
 
2014-04-06 04:54:23 PM  
You can never have a legit discussion about who's right and what's wrong in these type of threads because the libertarian pot-smokers all immediately swarm the thread extolling how they know the cop is automatically in the wrong and declaring their undying devotion to hating cops and how America would be so much better off without any cops. It would be hilarious if it wasn't so pathetic and formulaic.
 
2014-04-06 04:58:05 PM  

hardinparamedic: kling_klang_bed: The_Sponge: Will the police report mention that one of the kids pulled a slingshot first?

So that's why Bart Simpson isn't using his slingshot nowadays! Chief Wiggum might've had to pick him off.

Bart doesn't have to worry. He's white.


Point of order: he's yellow.
 
2014-04-06 05:02:00 PM  

nytmare: You can never have a legit discussion about who's right and what's wrong in these type of threads because the libertarian pot-smokers all immediately swarm the thread extolling how they know the cop is automatically in the wrong and declaring their undying devotion to hating cops and how America would be so much better off without any cops. It would be hilarious if it wasn't so pathetic and formulaic.


Not to mention those who know or want so desperately to believe that any story about police misconduct must be false because no public servant could be stupid, venal or insane, right?

RIGHT???!?
 
2014-04-06 05:04:46 PM  

hardinparamedic: I am not a Tactical Paramedic. I am not a commissioned LE officer. I don't even carry a gun while on duty.


Thanks, I've updated my notes, but I think my original point stands.

It's not rare for Law Enforcement Officers to act with active disregard to the safety of small children.
 
2014-04-06 05:04:58 PM  

hardinparamedic: fnordfocus: Doesn't change the fact that he was actually pointing his weapon at the boy he was allegedly saving.

The angle of the photo would disagree. He's actually holding it to the side. In addition, that MP5 does not have a sling. To use his hand, he has to hold it to the side, or drop the gun in the presence of an uncontrolled individual during a raid.

Which seems smarter: Dropping an automatic weapon, or holding it to the side with nothing on the trigger?

fnordfocus: You're a cop.

No, I'm not. :| What the hell gave you that idea?

fnordfocus: Tell me you wouldn't kill me if I pointed a carbine at your chest, regardless of whether the safety was on or where my finger is.

One of these situations is not like the other.

[img4.wikia.nocookie.net image 695x535]


You're right.  It's completely harmless..  I tell you what, you stroll on up to President Obama with an MP5 and maintain trigger discipline with the safety on and the point every so slightly askew from dead center mass aim and I'm sure the SS will be understanding.
 
2014-04-06 05:06:02 PM  
when a neighbor in the next subdivision called police to complain about what the boys were doing.

You're not even in the same subdivision? Mind your own farking business you cock. WTF is wrong with people?
 
2014-04-06 05:11:22 PM  
3.bp.blogspot.com

The treehouse in question
 
2014-04-06 05:12:52 PM  

nytmare: You can never have a legit discussion about who's right and what's wrong in these type of threads because the libertarian pot-smokers all immediately swarm the thread extolling how they know the cop is automatically in the wrong and declaring their undying devotion to hating cops and how America would be so much better off without any cops. It would be hilarious if it wasn't so pathetic and formulaic.


Are you using sustainable methods to harvest all the straw for those strawmen?
 
2014-04-06 05:30:06 PM  
1) "11-year-old building tree fort says officer pulled gun on him"

2) "Omari told Diamant that two officers, one with his gun drawn, rolled up on him and a few of his friends as they built a fort in the trees behind his home."

Odd choice of phrasing for a news article.

3a) Article by Aaron Diamant
3b) "Diamant ran what Omari told him past Edgar Dillard"

And apparently the author talks about himself in the third person.
 
2014-04-06 05:34:22 PM  

NFA [TotalFark]
2014-04-06 01:33:42 PM

Marcus Aurelius: "If it was justified then we'll deal with it, if it wasn't we'll address it as well," said Sgt. Joey Smith with the Henry County Police Department

Of course you will. We all have so much faith in the police self-policing themselves. Maybe you can go out and shoot some puppies afterwards.


WHO WATCHES THE WATCHERS?

Perhaps you should go look up where that saying came from.
 
2014-04-06 05:37:25 PM  
nijika

But seriously where are they hiring these cops? Where do you find people who are willing to point a killing device at a child?
1940's germany, stalin's purges, Waco tx, and decades of other examples in american history and it still hasn't sunk in that the state can always find people willing to kill children?
 
2014-04-06 05:44:29 PM  

Hobodeluxe: ya know back when I was a kid our neighbors would have either come out there and told us to be careful if they were concerned about our safety or told my parents about their concern. Not call 911 and have the cops show up.


So much this. Our son probably hacked a few tree limbs in his fort building days. If a neighbor had called the police rather than walking her fat ass down to our house, she would've gotten a visit from me. I'm not sure I believe police pulled a gun on these boys, but what an over-reaction by the neighbor.

It may be that your ranking system of environment protection over meaningful human interaction is flawed. Also, living in a subdivision situated so closely to another subdivision speaks volumes about your 'concern' for the environment.
 
2014-04-06 05:44:43 PM  
hardinparamedic

the finger isn't on the trigger,
>> Feinstein like typing detected
So as long as the thug has his finger off the trigger your wife/gf/daughter wasn't threatened. Got it.
 
2014-04-06 05:47:54 PM  

ArcadianRefugee: 1) "11-year-old building tree fort says officer pulled gun on him"

2) "Omari told Diamant that two officers, one with his gun drawn, rolled up on him and a few of his friends as they built a fort in the trees behind his home."

Odd choice of phrasing for a news article.

3a) Article by Aaron Diamant
3b) "Diamant ran what Omari told him past Edgar Dillard"

And apparently the author talks about himself in the third person.


Omari seems to have some street savvy, please pray for him.
 
2014-04-06 05:48:20 PM  
This incompetent, power tripping, idiot LEO should never be allowed a position of authority.  Unfortunately, the police union will make sure he is punished with two weeks of paid leave.
 
2014-04-06 05:52:48 PM  
Remember, for most cops hired in the last 10 years, civilian = insurgent.
 
2014-04-06 05:58:18 PM  

BigNumber12: Did anyone other than the kid(s) witness this? Because it's totally unheard-of for a vengeful, powerless-feeling kiddo to embellish the truth, especially when it results in free sympathy!


Even if this is the case fark the police all the same. If you are not one of them you should avoid them.
 
2014-04-06 05:58:49 PM  

OnlyM3: nijika

But seriously where are they hiring these cops? Where do you find people who are willing to point a killing device at a child?1940's germany, stalin's purges, Waco tx, and decades of other examples in american history and it still hasn't sunk in that the state can always find people willing to kill children?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TtqPlB-oC4w
 
2014-04-06 06:02:32 PM  
The only way to stop a bad guy with a treehouse is a good guy with a treehouse.
 
2014-04-06 06:06:36 PM  

teenage mutant ninja rapist: BigNumber12: Did anyone other than the kid(s) witness this? Because it's totally unheard-of for a vengeful, powerless-feeling kiddo to embellish the truth, especially when it results in free sympathy!

Even if this is the case fark the police all the same. If you are not one of them you should avoid them.


Yeah, that's about the level of logic I've come to expect in Fark Cop-Hate Circle Jerk threads. "Who cares if the event actually happened, the cop should be jailed for daring to speak to a disadvantaged youth without proper Respect!"

Also, it's amusing that most of you guys are all "Fark the cops!!1!" right up until you need one, and then you'll be their biggest fan.  My 3-year-old has a similar relationship with the authority figures in our home.
 
2014-04-06 06:06:50 PM  

That Guy Jeff: And the reason for his wife's call: "There were falling hazards, tripping hazards, all types of hazards, so No. 1 was concern for the children and concern for the environment," Dillard said.

This woman is a piece of shiat. I hope she has an incredibly painful heart attack from all this attention she's generated. Or at the very least, feels really, really shiatty about getting jackbooted thugs to pull a gun on children.


Yep, never let it be said that us overreacting Baby Boomers haven't justified our stupidity by saying "but it's for our precious children's own good".
 
2014-04-06 06:12:06 PM  
BigNumber12:

Also, it's amusing that most of you guys are all "Fark the cops!!1!" right up until you need one, and then you'll be their biggest fan.  My 3-year-old has a similar relationship with the authority figures in our home.

If I had the ability to see into the future, I sure as hell wouldn't be wasting time posting here.
 
2014-04-06 06:15:41 PM  

anuran: Hmmmm.....
Neighbor called 911 because of noise
Kid was in his own backyard with a parent in the house
Georgia cop shows up and points gun at kid "for his own safety"
Police promise to look into it and see if threatening unarmed 11 year old with deadly force was justified

Without looking I can tell you a something the pig, the chief and neighbor have in common with each other and not with the child

My awesome powers of Prophecy say the cop will be exonerated. The Department will demand more money from the City for training. The parents have a 50/50 of being cited. The neighbor won't get cited for misusing the emergency 911 service


Read TFA...the kid wasn't in his backyard. He was on someone else's property cutting down trees. He didn't deserve to have a gun pointed at him, but he did deserve to have the cops called on him.
 
2014-04-06 06:18:20 PM  
I don't believe this story. We only get one side and it appears to be a very slanted side at that.
 
2014-04-06 06:22:31 PM  

pedrop357: BigNumber12:

Also, it's amusing that most of you guys are all "Fark the cops!!1!" right up until you need one, and then you'll be their biggest fan.  My 3-year-old has a similar relationship with the authority figures in our home.

If I had the ability to see into the future, I sure as hell wouldn't be wasting time posting here.


Unless teenage mutant ninja rapist lives either in an armed compound in Montana, or a neighborhood like the one in Training Day, I'm feeling pretty confortable that I know where he's turning when he's the victim of a crime.
 
2014-04-06 06:26:34 PM  

Big_Doofus: I don't believe this story. We only get one side and it appears to be a very slanted side at that.


But look at all of the useful outrage it's generated in this Thread alone!
 
2014-04-06 06:28:05 PM  

BigNumber12: Unless teenage mutant ninja rapist lives either in an armed compound in Montana, or a neighborhood like the one in Training Day, I'm feeling pretty confortable that I know where he's turning when he's the victim of a crime.


We already pay taxes for their services, insurance companies typically require police reports for claims, and the state doesn't grant nearly the same level of authority to private investigators or security companies, it only makes sense that most people will call the police for assistance.  That doesn't mean we're their biggest fans, or that we're even fans of them at all.
 
2014-04-06 06:28:40 PM  
To quote a comment from a few months ago: "when your only tool is a gun, every problem looks like a black teenager".
 
2014-04-06 06:31:22 PM  

Big_Doofus: I don't believe this story. We only get one side and it appears to be a very slanted side at that.


It doesn't take much for people to side against gang members in a news report given their proven behavior.  Same with members of the largest street gang in the country, given that there are thousands of videos of serious police misbehavior all of the country spanning decades.
 
2014-04-06 06:31:44 PM  
This guy needs to let his hair down.

You know, like the officer that had his picture taken with a woman during the post game celebrations that Drew re-tweeted reports about this weekend.  Complete with a guy behind them being handcuffed
 
2014-04-06 06:31:47 PM  

pedrop357: BigNumber12: Unless teenage mutant ninja rapist lives either in an armed compound in Montana, or a neighborhood like the one in Training Day, I'm feeling pretty confortable that I know where he's turning when he's the victim of a crime.

We already pay taxes for their services, insurance companies typically require police reports for claims, and the state doesn't grant nearly the same level of authority to private investigators or security companies, it only makes sense that most people will call the police for assistance.  That doesn't mean we're their biggest fans, or that we're even fans of them at all.


Even so, that still falls well short of teenage's original statement.
 
2014-04-06 06:52:45 PM  

Gyrfalcon: BigNumber12: Did anyone other than the kid(s) witness this? Because it's totally unheard-of for a vengeful, powerless-feeling kiddo to embellish the truth, especially when it results in free sympathy!

I wondered if anyone else noticed this.

We have a third-hand report--the kid's mom says this is what the boy told her happened after the cops left--and everyone is taking it as gospel truth.

You don't consider maybe the KID is lying to get out of trouble with his parents? Or the parents to avoid problems with the neighbor? I know cop hate is always strong on Sunday, but try to pry your mind open a little.


while you're clamping yours shut?
 
2014-04-06 07:00:52 PM  

pedrop357: He's actually a paramedic. If you've ever seen those firefighters, security guards, and/or medics who have a kind of cop worship complex and/or kinda sorta want to either be cops or at least be accepted by them, then you'll have a good idea of bronymedic/hardinparamedic.


You know what I find funny? You keep insisting on this being my mentality despite not even having a functional knowledge of any of my beliefs, past behaviors and encounters, or actions involving law enforcement or police in any shape, form, or fashion. Especially since things I've posted run contrary to your portrait you've continually tried to paint of me.

But if making up stuff - including made up justifications completely ignorant of my motivations - to feel superior to the fact I disagree with you on things like DUI roadblocks and your black and white view of the world, then more power to you, champ.
 
2014-04-06 07:07:51 PM  
thepatriotperspective.files.wordpress.com
 
2014-04-06 07:14:37 PM  
I submitted this with a better headline three days ago.
 
2014-04-06 07:57:45 PM  
Yeah, seems unlikely really.

11 year old vandals, doing things in secluded wooded areas that nobody else can see into have absolutely every reason to lie vs policeman casually waving guns around, manhandling kids half his size for no reason, and getting called out on it.

Yeah. Having known my share of 11 year olds and adults seeking lawsuits, only an idiot would bet on the events as given being most likely imo.
 
2014-04-06 08:00:39 PM  
"Rise of the Warrior Cop" by Radley Balko.
That's all the explanation that is needed...
 
2014-04-06 08:16:35 PM  
Basic gun safety says you don't point a gun at anything you don't intend to kill... is there any definition to what makes a justifiable threat warranting being held by gunpoint, or are all explanations accepted as valid unless obviously and egregiously wrong?
 
2014-04-06 08:18:39 PM  

Clark W Griswald: Gyrfalcon: BigNumber12: Did anyone other than the kid(s) witness this? Because it's totally unheard-of for a vengeful, powerless-feeling kiddo to embellish the truth, especially when it results in free sympathy!

I wondered if anyone else noticed this.

We have a third-hand report--the kid's mom says this is what the boy told her happened after the cops left--and everyone is taking it as gospel truth.

You don't consider maybe the KID is lying to get out of trouble with his parents? Or the parents to avoid problems with the neighbor? I know cop hate is always strong on Sunday, but try to pry your mind open a little.

while you're clamping yours shut?


Where are you getting that? Here are the three scenarios I came up with:

The neighbor called 911 to report the kids cutting off tree limbs in her yard. This is a known fact. The cops arrived and found said kids cutting branches off the trees. Then something happened:

1. It happened exactly like the kid said: The cops showed up and ordered a bunch of 11-year olds into a felony-prone position. Then they "walked the kid home," and handed him over to his parents. Cops assume kid is so terrified he won't say anything about their abuse of power.

2. The cops showed up, scolded the kids, and walked him home. Parents said "WTF is this? Why did the cops bring you back?" Kid, not wanting to get in trouble for being on neighbor's property, makes up this cock&bull story about being rousted by the pigs.

3. Cops showed up, walked the kid home, told the parents where kid was found. Parents know neighbor is a litigious busybody and to deflect attention from their darling snowflake, make up this b/s story about how the police mishandled their angel so the neighbor will stay small and silent, not wanting to get involved in this mess.
3a. Cops showed up, walked kid home. Parents saw $$$, made up story about horrible trauma to poor victimized child, invented story about police brutality to get fat settlement from city.

People lie. Kids lie. Cops lie.

And as proof, I offer the sad story of a child whose dog was brutally hanged in a playground by three vicious teenagers. The entire town went on high alert, looking for these savage brutes, and sympathy and offers of new dogs poured in to the traumatized child--until it came out that he had been playing alone and the dog's leash got caught in the ladder of the slide. (Edmonton Journal, July 2002)

Unless or until we learn more, I can see ALL of these scenarios being equally plausible. Cops can be mean bullies; kids can be liars; neighbors can be lawsuit-happy freaks and people will lie to keep them off their backs. I'm not the closed-minded one here.
 
2014-04-06 08:42:36 PM  

evilmousse: Basic gun safety says you don't point a gun at anything you don't intend to kill... is there any definition to what makes a justifiable threat warranting being held by gunpoint, or are all explanations accepted as valid unless obviously and egregiously wrong?


No. There's really no excuse for pointing a gun at an 11 year old, unless that 11 year old has a gun/chainsaw/etc.
 
2014-04-06 08:55:15 PM  

fnordfocus: The Chicago PD, who held an 11-month old baby at gunpoint and expected him to understand an order to show his hands.


LOL, there were 6 children from 11 months to 13 years old he was talking to.  Way to cherry pick some bad data and then try to tailor it to your needs.  But hey, you're on a mission, don't let facts stop you.  I just love how you embellish the details with your own "...and expected him to understand an order..."  Top notch anti-realism.
 
2014-04-06 08:55:36 PM  

Gyrfalcon: Clark W Griswald: Gyrfalcon: BigNumber12: Did anyone other than the kid(s) witness this? Because it's totally unheard-of for a vengeful, powerless-feeling kiddo to embellish the truth, especially when it results in free sympathy!

I wondered if anyone else noticed this.

We have a third-hand report--the kid's mom says this is what the boy told her happened after the cops left--and everyone is taking it as gospel truth.

You don't consider maybe the KID is lying to get out of trouble with his parents? Or the parents to avoid problems with the neighbor? I know cop hate is always strong on Sunday, but try to pry your mind open a little.

while you're clamping yours shut?

Where are you getting that? Here are the three scenarios I came up with:

The neighbor called 911 to report the kids cutting off tree limbs in her yard. This is a known fact. The cops arrived and found said kids cutting branches off the trees. Then something happened:

1. It happened exactly like the kid said: The cops showed up and ordered a bunch of 11-year olds into a felony-prone position. Then they "walked the kid home," and handed him over to his parents. Cops assume kid is so terrified he won't say anything about their abuse of power.

2. The cops showed up, scolded the kids, and walked him home. Parents said "WTF is this? Why did the cops bring you back?" Kid, not wanting to get in trouble for being on neighbor's property, makes up this cock&bull story about being rousted by the pigs.

3. Cops showed up, walked the kid home, told the parents where kid was found. Parents know neighbor is a litigious busybody and to deflect attention from their darling snowflake, make up this b/s story about how the police mishandled their angel so the neighbor will stay small and silent, not wanting to get involved in this mess.
3a. Cops showed up, walked kid home. Parents saw $$$, made up story about horrible trauma to poor victimized child, invented story about police brutality to get fat settlement from city ...


In this situation all the stories reeked of bullsh*t.
 
2014-04-06 09:41:14 PM  

hardinparamedic: fnordfocus: Aside from the famous picture of the Fed pointing his gun at Elián Gonzalez, there's

You mean this picture?



Where the gun is held to the side of the person he's facing, the finger isn't on the trigger, and his thumb is on the safety selector?

You meant that picture? The one that was infamous for the symbolism of returning a refuge child to a toltarian country, not for "pointing a gun" at Elian?


The family asked for the police to come in and take the child, if they had cooperated they could not continue to live in the cubin exile community. Those people are farking nuts.
 
2014-04-06 10:09:20 PM  
"If it was justified then we'll deal with it"

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2014-04-06 10:10:29 PM  

Gyrfalcon: 1. It happened exactly like the kid said: The cops showed up and ordered a bunch of 11-year olds into a felony-prone position. Then they "walked the kid home," and handed him over to his parents. Cops assume kid is so terrified he won't say anything about their abuse of power.


Considering all the many, many, many, many, many other "isolated incidents" (um, exactly how many incidents does it take before they are no longer 'isolated'??) where cops have abused their authority, I'd say this is a likely scenario.

For instance, there was a cop who drew a gun at a snowfall fight.
thelibertyguardian.com
"However the Assistant Chief Peter Newsham said "There was NO police pulling guns on snowball people.""- LIE.


...this couple simply wanted to get into their driveway and expressed their discontent with the police, who happened to be blocking their driveway.
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And here he is throwing away a phone of a witness:
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His punishment? Administrative leave, then right back on the streets.

There's a LOT of "isolated incidents" out there. Try looking at https://www.facebook.com/CopBlock , for instance.
 
2014-04-07 12:48:05 AM  
I call BS. I grew up 10 years of my life in Henry County. I seriously doubt this happened. I can put monopoly money on it that says the kid was being a dick...then ran... then shiat got weird. There is a lot of kids being dicks in Georgia recently. *sigh
/my lawn get off it.
 
2014-04-07 01:02:31 AM  

Plant Rights Activist: nijika: I think we need to hear the Whole Story(tm).

But seriously where are they hiring these cops? Where do you find people who are willing to point a killing device at a child?

Pretty sure we trained a couple million people to do just that in Iraq and Afghanistan.


SO. MUCH. THIS.

The most prized recruit any PD can get today is someone ready-trained to think of his buddies first, last and always and to consider anyone who does not wear his uniform as a potentially deadly threat. We positively cannot wait to get these people out into the community with arms, authority, and minimal debriefing. And you're a dirty unpatriotic vet-hating rat if you point out the implications.
 
2014-04-07 01:25:59 AM  
fredklein

There's a LOT of "isolated incidents" out there.

This is why everyone records cops now.
 
2014-04-07 02:23:36 AM  

i upped my meds-up yours: The most prized recruit any PD can get today is someone ready-trained to think of his buddies first, last and always and to consider anyone who does not wear his uniform as a potentially deadly threat. We positively cannot wait to get these people out into the community with arms, authority, and minimal debriefing. And you're a dirty unpatriotic vet-hating rat if you point out the implications.


This is happening with more than cops. Army 68Ws are trying to get bills passed in many states that let them gain licensure as EMTs in those states. While 68Ws do train to the EMT-Basic level (With the exception of those E5 and above who work on flight, and SF medics), they do not get the same medical training that would allow them to operate in a civilian setting.
 
2014-04-07 02:48:04 AM  

studebaker hoch: fredklein

There's a LOT of "isolated incidents" out there.

This is why everyone records cops now.


*shrug*

It's not the likelihood that the cops did it that I question; it's entirely likely that it happened in just that way. It's the reflexive, almost knee-jerk "These guys are the bad guys, so obviously they did exactly what was related in the story" mentality that bothers me, and bothers me a great deal. To see what I mean, just replace "blacks" with "cops" in any of these stories (and change a few adjectives) and it could be any tale a bigoted asshole tells to justify keeping the Negroes down, and they could trot out just as many stories and photos as anyone here does about police to confirm their anecdotes. OF COURSE we know that the blacks (cops, Muslims, etc.) are evil, trigger-happy, barely contained savages: Just look at all these readily verified stories!

Echo chambers exist on the left as well as the right; we get a shiatload of "bad cop" stories in here, and it's extremely easy to believe that all cops are horrible evil trigger-happy PTSD'd out monsters; but then everyone on Freeperville finds it easy to believe that all Muslims are horrible evil trigger-happy religious fanatics who want to rape your kids, eat your dog and enslave your wives and daughters. And look at all the stories they have to prove it! Look at all the pictures of terrorists shooting down women and kids!

Just remember that the plural of "anecdote" isn't "data"; if you want evidence of bad cops, you don't look at hyperventilating stories of 11-year olds claiming the cops drew down on them for building a treehouse; you look at actual court cases of deputies being fired here in L.A. for abuses in Men's Central Jail. Or wait till the report comes out and we find that, for instance, this cop has a record of complaints for harassing 11-year old kids...or that the kid has a history of making up outrageous stories to get out of trouble with his strict parents. God knows its happened before.
 
2014-04-07 07:33:16 AM  

Gyrfalcon: It's not the likelihood that the cops did it that I question; it's entirely likely that it happened in just that way. It's the reflexive, almost knee-jerk "These guys are the bad guys, so obviously they did exactly what was related in the story" mentality that bothers me, and bothers me a great deal.


So, you admit it's "entirely likely" that it it happened that way, but anyone who thinks it happened in that "entirely likely" way is showing "reflexive, almost knee-jerk... mentality" for believing it happened in that "entirely likely" way?? 'Yeah, it's probably true, BUT HOW DARE YOU BELIEVE IT!!!11!'

Echo chambers exist on the left as well as the right

Remember, an 'echo chamber' doesn't create sound, it only repeats what's already in existence. With more and more people video recording cops, there are, unsurprisingly, more and more cases of police abuse that are recorded. These get more and more publicity, being played on the evening news, or posted to Youtube or whatnot.

we get a shiatload of "bad cop" stories in here, and it's extremely easy to believe that all cops are horrible evil trigger-happy PTSD'd out monsters; but then everyone on Freeperville finds it easy to believe that all Muslims are horrible evil trigger-happy religious fanatics who want to rape your kids, eat your dog and enslave your wives and daughters. And look at all the stories they have to prove it! Look at all the pictures of terrorists shooting down women and kids!

Ah, the old 'it's only a small percentage who are bad- the rest are okay' argument. Falls apart when talking about cops- you see, cops are specifically tasked with finding and arresting criminals. Thus, when cops see one of their own breaking the law, and do nothing about it, they are complicit. Every video where ten cops stand there watching one cop kick a handcuffed citizen? That's not ONE bad cop, that's ELEVEN bad cops.

Just remember that the plural of "anecdote" isn't "data"

You're right. However, this (and similar incidents) aren't anecdotes. So, your cute little saying doesn't apply- eyewitness testimony and video evidence is NOT "anecdotal evidence". They are points of data, plain and simple.

Or wait till the report comes out and we find that, for instance, this cop has a record of complaints for harassing 11-year old kids...

But people like you would claim that's just another 'anecdote'. Just another 'isolated incident'. I swear, I could find people like you on the beach saying "Look, another isolated grain of sand. And another isolated grain of sand. And another isolated grain of sand...."
 
2014-04-07 09:21:13 AM  
galeri.uludagsozluk.com
"Getting real sick of your shiat, Tackleberry."
 
2014-04-07 11:11:09 AM  
Getting real sick of your trigger discipline, Tackleberry.
 
2014-04-07 11:35:33 AM  

fredklein: But people like you would claim that's just another 'anecdote'. Just another 'isolated incident'. I swear, I could find people like you on the beach saying "Look, another isolated grain of sand. And another isolated grain of sand. And another isolated grain of sand...."


Using Freddy's logiuc, I am now thoroughly convinced that hospitals are death camps.  I have heard story after story of people going there, often with no real signs of issues, and BAM, they are dead a few weeks or months later.  The paper is full of these types of stories, I have heard them personally, and I see it online all the time.
 
2014-04-07 11:41:59 AM  

fredklein: His punishment? Administrative leave, then right back on the streets.

There's a LOT of "isolated incidents" out there. Try looking at https://www.facebook.com/CopBlock , for instance.


So, let's do some estimation here.  These numbers are not exact, but are probably in the ball park.  Let's say that for every 100,000 in population, you have an average of 10 officers on duty.  Let's say that they interact with the public in a meaningful manner(including arrests, traffic stops, etc.) 2 times an hour.  Given thoiuse two assumptions, you are talking about approximately 1.5 million meaningful interactions between police and the general population a day.

Given that social media aggregates national news and allows people to cherry pick the datapoints that support any given argument, does it surprise you that out of a daily sample size in the millions, you can easily pick a few incidents a week that support your belief, and yet they would still be isolated incidents?

And I actually think I underestimated both of my assumptions.
 
2014-04-07 01:25:29 PM  

MycroftHolmes: fredklein: His punishment? Administrative leave, then right back on the streets.

There's a LOT of "isolated incidents" out there. Try looking at https://www.facebook.com/CopBlock , for instance.

So, let's do some estimation here.  These numbers are not exact, but are probably in the ball park.  Let's say that for every 100,000 in population, you have an average of 10 officers on duty.  Let's say that they interact with the public in a meaningful manner(including arrests, traffic stops, etc.) 2 times an hour.  Given thoiuse two assumptions, you are talking about approximately 1.5 million meaningful interactions between police and the general population a day.

Given that social media aggregates national news and allows people to cherry pick the datapoints that support any given argument, does it surprise you that out of a daily sample size in the millions, you can easily pick a few incidents a week that support your belief, and yet they would still be isolated incidents?

And I actually think I underestimated both of my assumptions.


It works the other way around, too. The reported cases we see are:

1)only the most severe. You think a drug dealer would bother reporting a cop 'accidentally' twisting their arm?? No one would care about such a small thing. But it's still assault and illegal.

2) only the cases that happen to someone who knows their rights. How many ignorant people let the cops search their car/home illegally because they don't know any better. If they don't know it was illegal, they can't very well report it, can they? And there are plenty of videos out there that show cops lying their asses off, claiming that what they are doing is legal, when it's not.

3) cases that happen in front of cameras. Non-police controlled cameras, of course. Oh, and the cops can't steal... Er 'take the camera as evidence', either. Or break it by throwing it on the ground, as in the pic I posted.

Now, figure out what tiny percentage of bad cop interactions are severe enough to get reported, happen to someone who knows enough to report it, AND happen in front of a camera. 1 in a 1000? 1 in 10,000?? Then calculate the number that don't.

For good measure,
Multiply by the number of cops who stand there and let this shiat happen. And multiply again by the police chiefs who outright LIE about what happened (again, like I posted), to cover for their men.

Let me know the result.
 
2014-04-07 01:39:43 PM  
Oh, by the way, there are something like 200 million cars on the road in the USA. Would it be acceptable to you if 200 of them spontaneously burst into flames and exploded each week??? After all, that's just one in a million, like your cop example.

I, personally, do not find either case (1/1000000 cars exploding, or 1/1000000 cops abusing) acceptable.
 
2014-04-07 01:44:43 PM  

fredklein: t works the other way around, too. The reported cases we see are:

1)only the most severe. You think a drug dealer would bother reporting a cop 'accidentally' twisting their arm?? No one would care about such a small thing. But it's still assault and illegal.

2) only the cases that happen to someone who knows their rights. How many ignorant people let the cops search their car/home illegally because they don't know any better. If they don't know it was illegal, they can't very well report it, can they? And there are plenty of videos out there that show cops lying their asses off, claiming that what they are doing is legal, when it's not.

3) cases that happen in front of cameras. Non-police controlled cameras, of course. Oh, and the cops can't steal... Er 'take the camera as evidence', either. Or break it by throwing it on the ground, as in the pic I posted.

Now, figure out what tiny percentage of bad cop interactions are severe enough to get reported, happen to someone who knows enough to report it, AND happen in front of a camera. 1 in a 1000? 1 in 10,000?? Then calculate the number that don't.

For good measure,
Multiply by the number of cops who stand there and let this shiat happen. And multiply again by the police chiefs who outright LIE about what happened (again, like I posted), to cover for their men.

Let me know the result.


So let me make sure I understand your logic.  You use the number of isolated incidents as evidence that police abuse is widespread.  When called out on the fact that the number of incidents is actually very small, you fall back on the 'well, I was also counting the incidents that don't get reported'.

It makes me wonder why you even bothered pretending to use any type of citation initially.

Also, regarding police that do not report their colleagues,most do it because they know overreacting, biased loudmouths in the public will be crying for their heads for every action that is percieved (often without full context) as being even slightly an overreaction.  Why would these cops help witch hunts?  The unfortunate side affect to idiots ranting in public forums about police states and armed mobs being better than police is that police tend to take a universal stance of silence.  Essentially, uninformed, overreacting idiots are more the problem than police.

I do have to admit, I like this new stance of yours.  This may break your top five arguments (which is high praise indeed).
 
2014-04-07 02:37:02 PM  

fredklein: Oh, by the way, there are something like 200 million cars on the road in the USA. Would it be acceptable to you if 200 of them spontaneously burst into flames and exploded each week??? After all, that's just one in a million, like your cop example.

I, personally, do not find either case (1/1000000 cars exploding, or 1/1000000 cops abusing) acceptable.


I am struggling with where to start with how flawed this is.  Perhaps we can back off and ask simply why you would equate spontenous vehicle fires as being functionally equivalent to the wide class of police abuses that you want to cite as examples.  And why you think that a comparison of calendar week is valid considering that police are pretty much on duty 24x7, but a car is usually in use an average of 2 to 4 hours a day.
 
2014-04-07 03:19:33 PM  

Hawnkee: [galeri.uludagsozluk.com image 500x280]
"Getting real sick of your shiat, Tackleberry."


Now you have me curious if that was intended or not. I mean, he was really up on firearms, but then again, he was Tackleberry.
 
2014-04-07 07:05:43 PM  

MycroftHolmes: fredklein: Oh, by the way, there are something like 200 million cars on the road in the USA. Would it be acceptable to you if 200 of them spontaneously burst into flames and exploded each week??? After all, that's just one in a million, like your cop example.

I, personally, do not find either case (1/1000000 cars exploding, or 1/1000000 cops abusing) acceptable.

I am struggling with where to start with how flawed this is.  Perhaps we can back off and ask simply why you would equate spontenous vehicle fires as being functionally equivalent to the wide class of police abuses that you want to cite as examples.  And why you think that a comparison of calendar week is valid considering that police are pretty much on duty 24x7, but a car is usually in use an average of 2 to 4 hours a day.


OK, would you be OK with heavier usage vehicles like cabs, long haul trucks, police cars, etc. bursting into flames at a rate of 1 in a hundred thousand?
 
2014-04-07 07:28:26 PM  

MycroftHolmes: You use the number of isolated incidents as evidence that police abuse is widespread. When called out on the fact that the number of incidents is actually very small, you fall back on the 'well, I was also counting the incidents that don't get reported'.


No, I used math and logic to show the number is a LOT higher than your 'one-in-a-million' figure.

Also, regarding police that do not report their colleagues,most do it because they know overreacting, biased loudmouths in the public will be crying for their heads for every action that is percieved (often without full context) as being even slightly an overreaction.

Then we need MORE transparency- show that missing context!

...Unless, of course, there is no "context" that explains away the cops actions.

What "context" justifies kicking a prone, spread-eagled man in the head?
http://a.gifb.in/052010/1273487123_police-brutality.gif

What context justifies a police chief LYING?
img.fark.net
"However the Assistant Chief Peter Newsham said "There was NO police pulling guns on snowball people.""

Why would these cops help witch hunts?

Seeking to see people who break the law arrested and charged is, by no stretch of the imagination, a "witch-hunt".

The unfortunate side affect to idiots ranting in public forums about police states and armed mobs being better than police is that police tend to take a universal stance of silence.

The unfortunate side affect to cops defending each other when they break the law is that people start to talk about 'police states' and start looking for alternatives.

Essentially, uninformed, overreacting idiots are more the problem than police.

If you really think the public is 'uninformed'... then inform them. Imagine if cops did that, instead of cowering behind their 'blue wall of silence'.

MycroftHolmes: Perhaps we can back off and ask simply why you would equate spontenous vehicle fires as being functionally equivalent to the wide class of police abuses


It's something known as an 'analogy'.

You see, you seemed to not care about police abuses, as you said they were extremely rare (ie: 1 in a million). Well, 200 cars exploding a week would be equally rare, and thus, okay with you, right?
 
2014-04-08 12:08:30 AM  

fredklein: MycroftHolmes: You use the number of isolated incidents as evidence that police abuse is widespread. When called out on the fact that the number of incidents is actually very small, you fall back on the 'well, I was also counting the incidents that don't get reported'.

No, I used math and logic to show the number is a LOT higher than your 'one-in-a-million' figure.

Also, regarding police that do not report their colleagues,most do it because they know overreacting, biased loudmouths in the public will be crying for their heads for every action that is percieved (often without full context) as being even slightly an overreaction.

Then we need MORE transparency- show that missing context!

...Unless, of course, there is no "context" that explains away the cops actions.

What "context" justifies kicking a prone, spread-eagled man in the head?
http://a.gifb.in/052010/1273487123_police-brutality.gif

What context justifies a police chief LYING?
[img.fark.net image 420x280]
"However the Assistant Chief Peter Newsham said "There was NO police pulling guns on snowball people.""

Why would these cops help witch hunts?

Seeking to see people who break the law arrested and charged is, by no stretch of the imagination, a "witch-hunt".

The unfortunate side affect to idiots ranting in public forums about police states and armed mobs being better than police is that police tend to take a universal stance of silence.

The unfortunate side affect to cops defending each other when they break the law is that people start to talk about 'police states' and start looking for alternatives.

Essentially, uninformed, overreacting idiots are more the problem than police.

If you really think the public is 'uninformed'... then inform them. Imagine if cops did that, instead of cowering behind their 'blue wall of silence'.

MycroftHolmes: Perhaps we can back off and ask simply why you would equate spontenous vehicle fires as being functionally equivalent to the wide class of police abuses ...


Your analogy is very false.  Please stop using it, you will confuse yourself.

Regarding the incidents cited above, on a few of them (and many more) there is context to justify the poloce action.  But knee jerk idiots immediately want to jump to the 'There is no jutsification'.  So yes, this causes police to clam up and protect their own from witch hunts.

You are the absolute worst nightmare, smart enough to make some word sounds that sound credible, self righteous enough to honestly believe you are doing right, and so completely wrong in most of your interpretations as to be dangerous,  If I had a group of individuals like you second guessing mine and my peers actions, I would hide our activities as well.
 
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