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(Omaha World Herald)   If it walks like a Rembrandt and talks like a Rembrandt... It's probably a Rembrandt   (omaha.com) divider line 28
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2014-04-06 09:06:12 AM  
that's pretty awesome. i wonder how many "school of..." paintings are in museums and private homes around the world right now that are actually by the masters.
 
2014-04-06 09:21:39 AM  
Meh, let me know when someone finds another Vermeer.
 
2014-04-06 09:22:13 AM  

ginandbacon: Meh, let me know when someone finds another Vermeer.


actually, i'm going to see Tim's Vermeer this afternoon. the movie, not the painting.
 
2014-04-06 09:27:45 AM  

FlashHarry: ginandbacon: Meh, let me know when someone finds another Vermeer.

actually, i'm going to see Tim's Vermeer this afternoon. the movie, not the painting.


Is that at the Charles??? I should meet you there! I have tasks to do though :(
 
2014-04-06 10:06:32 AM  

ginandbacon: FlashHarry: ginandbacon: Meh, let me know when someone finds another Vermeer.

actually, i'm going to see Tim's Vermeer this afternoon. the movie, not the painting.

Is that at the Charles??? I should meet you there! I have tasks to do though :(


it's showing at the film streams in omaha. a bit of a hike from charm city... :-D
 
2014-04-06 10:20:52 AM  

FlashHarry: ginandbacon: FlashHarry: ginandbacon: Meh, let me know when someone finds another Vermeer.

actually, i'm going to see Tim's Vermeer this afternoon. the movie, not the painting.

Is that at the Charles??? I should meet you there! I have tasks to do though :(

it's showing at the film streams in omaha. a bit of a hike from charm city... :-D


LOL we could meet halfway ;)
 
2014-04-06 10:55:38 AM  
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/and if it cries like a man, it's definitely a Rembrandt.
 
2014-04-06 01:17:29 PM  
you rang?
 
2014-04-06 01:17:47 PM  

FirstNationalBastard: /and if it cries like a man, it's definitely a Rembrandt.


Way to go on that popular culture reference.
 
2014-04-06 01:20:04 PM  
Whatever.  I still can't see those goddamn triangles.
 
2014-04-06 01:23:29 PM  
And if your paintings are talking to you, it's time to see a psychiatrist.
 
2014-04-06 01:27:06 PM  
FirstNationalBastard: [b.vimeocdn.com image 640x465]

/and if it cries like a man, it's definitely a Rembrandt.


Way to go. My personal favorite alternate universe is the one where like 90% of the males where killed by a virus that attacked the Y chromosome and the males where all on breeding farms and provided with as many attractive breeding age females as they could service in a day. Hell the rest of you can leave I'm staying here to do my duty to um help ensure the genetic diversity in this universe.
 
2014-04-06 01:29:02 PM  

wxboy: And if your paintings are talking to you, it's time to see a psychiatrist.


Or change the variety of mushroom...
 
2014-04-06 01:34:09 PM  
Someone like Han van Meegeren may have disagreed with your statement.

IMHO, the DaVinci of Forgery.
 
2014-04-06 01:38:38 PM  
The Joslyn is a surprisingly good museum. I enjoyed it when I was in Omaha, a fairly diverse collection, and a gorgeous building.


And, for no particular reason, here's a fun flashmob-esque promotion for the re-installation of Rembrandt's Night Watch in the Rijksmuseum:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6W2ZMpsxhg
 
2014-04-06 01:39:04 PM  

FlashHarry: that's pretty awesome. i wonder how many "school of..." paintings are in museums and private homes around the world right now that are actually by the masters.


Probably quite a few as far as the experts desperate to make a discovery are concerned.
 
2014-04-06 01:45:36 PM  
So hanging in my living room I have a framed print of a Van Gogh landscape. Not one of his most famous but I like it. Someone once suggested it hang it in a less-conspicuous place because "it's kind of a dull painting." I asked if they realized it was a print of a Van Gogh. A look of respect suddenly crossed that person's face and that was that.

Seems to me that if you can't tell the difference between the Master's hand and the work of one of his students, it's a pretty damned good painting. And you should display it regardless. Or *not* display it if you didn't think it was good enough the first time around.

/yeah, I get that it'll bring in more people who will pay money to say "ooooh" to a painting they otherwise wouldn't care about.
 
2014-04-06 01:56:13 PM  
I'm a Rembrandt Goose.

Nah. Just kidding. I don't have any alts.

"School of" paintings were often collective works. Long before Andy Warhol, artists took advantage of their apprentices to increase production. They would have their students paint the busy work (backgrounds, the figure) and would fill in the fine details such as faces and hands. Sometimes they even introduced specialization into their workshops, with the "hand" man doing the hands, and other artists painting clothes or backgrounds or eyes.

This was especially true in the centres of art production where young artists were a florin a dozen.

It is pretty much a crap shoot whether an "expert" can recognize the work of a master and when the masters pupils are themselves masters, it becomes almost impossible to say who painted what.

Forgers have complicated the process of authentication because some of them are so good they are better than the masters--the masters had a lot of off days but the forgers are always on. People want to believe they've found a Great Master.

To quote my fellow New Brunswicker, Lord Beaverbrook, "Buy Old Masters. They age better than old mistresses." The Lord Beaverbrook Museum in Fredericton, New Brunswick has a small collection with a few fine works but are constantly engaged with the heirs of Lord Beaverbrook over who owns what. There might be nothing there when you show up.

Canadians collected a lot of great art during the Railway Boom in the 1800s but almost all of it is gone because their children and grandchildren were thriftless bastards and a waste of air. The Square Mile in Montreal could have kept some great museums in business for centuries. They could have been run at a tidy profit even without buckets of government money.

There but for the grace of God goes ... all those Rembrandts!

I wouldn't mind a few Rembrandts. He used himself and his wife as models very often. One touch of Nature makes the whole world kin (this Shakespeare quotation is about vanity, not bunnies).

He was a cutey though. A Rembrandt would brighten any breakfast nook.
 
2014-04-06 02:14:58 PM  

brimed03: So hanging in my living room I have a framed print of a Van Gogh landscape. Not one of his most famous but I like it. Someone once suggested it hang it in a less-conspicuous place because "it's kind of a dull painting." I asked if they realized it was a print of a Van Gogh. A look of respect suddenly crossed that person's face and that was that.

Seems to me that if you can't tell the difference between the Master's hand and the work of one of his students, it's a pretty damned good painting. And you should display it regardless. Or *not* display it if you didn't think it was good enough the first time around.

/yeah, I get that it'll bring in more people who will pay money to say "ooooh" to a painting they otherwise wouldn't care about.




Rembrandt was a bit more nefarious though. He often had his students copy his painting and then Rembrandt sold the copy as an original.  A few years ago two museums realized they both had the exact same painting hanging.
 
2014-04-06 02:18:43 PM  
My final offer would be 30,000 pounds. I enjoy all the French painters. That's a splendid nose.
 
2014-04-06 02:25:56 PM  
And that's just the way it is, baby.
 
2014-04-06 03:13:28 PM  
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2vuaqDDr--Q
 
2014-04-06 03:35:43 PM  

FlashHarry: that's pretty awesome. i wonder how many "school of..." paintings are in museums and private homes around the world right now that are actually by the masters.


You should watch "Who the fark is Jackson Pollack".  Great documentary about just that.
 
2014-04-06 03:39:05 PM  

Oldiron_79: FirstNationalBastard: [b.vimeocdn.com image 640x465]

/and if it cries like a man, it's definitely a Rembrandt.

Way to go. My personal favorite alternate universe is the one where like 90% of the males where killed by a virus that attacked the Y chromosome and the males where all on breeding farms and provided with as many attractive breeding age females as they could service in a day. Hell the rest of you can leave I'm staying here to do my duty to um help ensure the genetic diversity in this universe.


more likely we'd be overrun by the women and put on life support systems and had the semen "farmed" out of us with machines.  The women would simply develop lesbian pairings and use our sperm only for procreation.  Male children would be sent to the farm and female children would get to live the "upper-class" life.
 
2014-04-06 03:43:00 PM  
I like that the headline just below this is 'no, no it isn't'
 
2014-04-06 03:58:20 PM  

Gulper Eel: And that's just the way it is, baby.


But will you be there for me?
 
2014-04-06 05:17:02 PM  

Pointy Tail of Satan: Someone like Han van Meegeren may have disagreed with your statement.

IMHO, the DaVinci of Forgery.


Really? Van meegeren? Eric Hebborn probably threw away better work than Van Meegeren ever produced. Van Meegeren did have a pair of brass balls bigger than my head though...
 
2014-04-06 10:33:50 PM  

TedCruz'sCrazyDad: brimed03: So hanging in my living room I have a framed print of a Van Gogh landscape. Not one of his most famous but I like it. Someone once suggested it hang it in a less-conspicuous place because "it's kind of a dull painting." I asked if they realized it was a print of a Van Gogh. A look of respect suddenly crossed that person's face and that was that.

Seems to me that if you can't tell the difference between the Master's hand and the work of one of his students, it's a pretty damned good painting. And you should display it regardless. Or *not* display it if you didn't think it was good enough the first time around.

/yeah, I get that it'll bring in more people who will pay money to say "ooooh" to a painting they otherwise wouldn't care about.

Rembrandt was a bit more nefarious though. He often had his students copy his painting and then Rembrandt sold the copy as an original.  A few years ago two museums realized they both had the exact same painting hanging.


Neat story, but it only reinforces my point.  Two museums with two expert staffs and two of the same painting.  If they can't tell, why make a fuss?  You want accuracy, change the info card next to it, but if you need to bring in the world's best experts to decide which is the "true" one-- and really, that's now more expert opinion than established fact-- then it's silly to make a distinction.  They're both lovely, nearly identically so, and valid for inspiration, edification, or what have you.

Yes, many of us-- myself included-- have a strong itch about wanting to know for sure which is genuine (yes, my doctor confirmed that's what the itch is about, thankyouverymuch).  But that's a separate issue from whether or not to hang it.  This is like wine connoisseurs who bomb those blind tests where they're given two "expensive" wines and don't realize they're both run-of-the-mill.  If the painting "wasn't good enough" for them to hang it before they knew it was a Remmy, then it's not good enough now.  And vice versa.

Except of course that the name will bring in money.
 
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