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2014-04-07 12:00:12 AM  
Lancel was injured in the blackwater battle, his wound got infected and almost died. He's layed out for months, then joins that holy order. Show wise he'll be incapacitated about now.
 
2014-04-07 12:06:08 AM  
Just let me know when the orgy scene starts so I fast forward to it.
 
2014-04-07 12:06:49 AM  
Don't like the new Daario. The other guy was much more what I pictured from the books.

So ready for Joffrey's wedding...

/total GoT binge this weekend, free HBO preview and GoT marathon
 
2014-04-07 12:13:42 AM  

SithLord: OtherLittleGuy: Nefarious: And now, On the Road with Arya and the Hound.

I have the uneasy feeling that, by midseason, she'll be on the roof eating pudding and going emo.

Hound:  Look at the flowers, Arya.  Look at the flowers.


Arya: Hound, it's been three weeks since you made flowers on me.
 
2014-04-07 12:15:48 AM  

Will-Mun: Are we ever gonna see Arya in an actual sword fight? Or was all that sword training in the first season just fluff?

Don't give me any of that 12 year old girl against a soldier stuff, her entire character arc is questing to become a great warrior.... Or die, George RR Martin and all.


That scene's actually a disappointment in that regard as, iirc, she was supposed to sword/knife fight some squire and gut him while the Hound was taking on the rest, then come over and do what she did do in the show, hamstringing and backstabbing the dudes he was fighting. Certain Important Plot Things were supposed to happen in the fight that didn't, so I'm also wonder how that stuff is going to happen now, or if the Show-runners are just going to do one of thier sloppy write-arounds :/

Of course, I might be smushing two fights together into one in my memory over this, so maybe I'm off-base.
 
2014-04-07 12:21:42 AM  

doglover: Will-Mun: being nimble enough with astiletto blade to make due against some soldiers.

Don't you worry about Arya. But learn you some basic fencing.

No one is nimble enough to footwork around someone at a distance faster than a capable fighter can use a shield. It's like the spokes trying to outrun the hub of a wheel. You can get around a shield with your weapon, or crash through it, or step around behind someone up close, but you'll never get an opening until you're up close.

Secondly, Needle is a tiny little thing. It's for a young girl to practice with. It's a smaller version of the sword the soldiers would be using. Her range is already crap because she's smaller, and her weapon reduces this even further. Miyamoto Musashi won his most famous duel by using a wooden sword that was a few fingers' widths longer than his opponent's famously long steel sword. Range matters.

Third, Arya practiced with intensity for about a month. Soldiers practice with intensity for about a forever. Especially in Westros were war is both the national sport and soldier their only occupation other than farmer, blacksmith, lord, whore, and maester.

She's got every disadvantage in a sword fight with a soldier. Sure, she could probably beat Samwell Tarley or Maester Aemon without breaking a sweat, but any given soldier would beat her in a fair fight. And that's why you never fight fair.


Oh for fark's sake, the only thing honest about ASOIAF is the descriptions of the food. Everything else is twisted for emotional manipulation, allowed to happen for plot requirements, or a red herring. I'm going to give book spoilers now. Stop reading, seriously. This is your last chance to avoid any spoilers: Arya can murder anybody she wants because she is an heir to an organization that murders people for hire. That they wanted her in the first place is an acknowledgement that she is special.
 
2014-04-07 12:22:10 AM  

Heron: Will-Mun: Are we ever gonna see Arya in an actual sword fight? Or was all that sword training in the first season just fluff?

Don't give me any of that 12 year old girl against a soldier stuff, her entire character arc is questing to become a great warrior.... Or die, George RR Martin and all.

That scene's actually a disappointment in that regard as, iirc, she was supposed to sword/knife fight some squire and gut him while the Hound was taking on the rest, then come over and do what she did do in the show, hamstringing and backstabbing the dudes he was fighting. Certain Important Plot Things were supposed to happen in the fight that didn't, so I'm also wonder how that stuff is going to happen now, or if the Show-runners are just going to do one of thier sloppy write-arounds :/

Of course, I might be smushing two fights together into one in my memory over this, so maybe I'm off-base.


That much is true.  I don't recall important Plot Things happening, but I read all of the books in a 1.5 month long haze of glorious text.  Then I waited for a dance with dragons for about 4 months.  Its been some time.  I DO seem to recall that the inn fight WAS important plot wise.  But damned if I don't remember what that was.
 
2014-04-07 12:23:45 AM  

Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: doglover: Will-Mun: being nimble enough with astiletto blade to make due against some soldiers.

Don't you worry about Arya. But learn you some basic fencing.

No one is nimble enough to footwork around someone at a distance faster than a capable fighter can use a shield. It's like the spokes trying to outrun the hub of a wheel. You can get around a shield with your weapon, or crash through it, or step around behind someone up close, but you'll never get an opening until you're up close.

Secondly, Needle is a tiny little thing. It's for a young girl to practice with. It's a smaller version of the sword the soldiers would be using. Her range is already crap because she's smaller, and her weapon reduces this even further. Miyamoto Musashi won his most famous duel by using a wooden sword that was a few fingers' widths longer than his opponent's famously long steel sword. Range matters.

Third, Arya practiced with intensity for about a month. Soldiers practice with intensity for about a forever. Especially in Westros were war is both the national sport and soldier their only occupation other than farmer, blacksmith, lord, whore, and maester.

She's got every disadvantage in a sword fight with a soldier. Sure, she could probably beat Samwell Tarley or Maester Aemon without breaking a sweat, but any given soldier would beat her in a fair fight. And that's why you never fight fair.

Oh for fark's sake, the only thing honest about ASOIAF is the descriptions of the food. Everything else is twisted for emotional manipulation, allowed to happen for plot requirements, or a red herring. I'm going to give book spoilers now. Stop reading, seriously. This is your last chance to avoid any spoilers: Arya can murder anybody she wants because she is an heir to an organization that murders people for hire. That they wanted her in the first place is an acknowledgement that she is special.


****RESPONSE TO SPOILER****

For someone who seems to really dislike the book you totally misrepresented THAT.

She isn't an heir to shiat as long as Sansa is alive.
 
2014-04-07 12:27:22 AM  

pueblonative: Johnny Texas: So all of the violence in tonight's episode was over some KFC.

Nah violence like that only occurs for popeye's


Leroy Jenkins, watch out!
 
2014-04-07 12:30:28 AM  

Wicked Chinchilla: Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: doglover: Will-Mun: being nimble enough with astiletto blade to make due against some soldiers.

Don't you worry about Arya. But learn you some basic fencing.

No one is nimble enough to footwork around someone at a distance faster than a capable fighter can use a shield. It's like the spokes trying to outrun the hub of a wheel. You can get around a shield with your weapon, or crash through it, or step around behind someone up close, but you'll never get an opening until you're up close.

Secondly, Needle is a tiny little thing. It's for a young girl to practice with. It's a smaller version of the sword the soldiers would be using. Her range is already crap because she's smaller, and her weapon reduces this even further. Miyamoto Musashi won his most famous duel by using a wooden sword that was a few fingers' widths longer than his opponent's famously long steel sword. Range matters.

Third, Arya practiced with intensity for about a month. Soldiers practice with intensity for about a forever. Especially in Westros were war is both the national sport and soldier their only occupation other than farmer, blacksmith, lord, whore, and maester.

She's got every disadvantage in a sword fight with a soldier. Sure, she could probably beat Samwell Tarley or Maester Aemon without breaking a sweat, but any given soldier would beat her in a fair fight. And that's why you never fight fair.

Oh for fark's sake, the only thing honest about ASOIAF is the descriptions of the food. Everything else is twisted for emotional manipulation, allowed to happen for plot requirements, or a red herring. I'm going to give book spoilers now. Stop reading, seriously. This is your last chance to avoid any spoilers: Arya can murder anybody she wants because she is an heir to an organization that murders people for hire. That they wanted her in the first place is an acknowledgement that she is special.

****RESPONSE TO SPOILER****

For someone who seems to really dislik ...


More spoiler fun time

He means the Faceless people in Bravos. You know, the ones she hasn't met yet in the show?
 
2014-04-07 12:36:50 AM  

Johnny Texas: I can't decide if Stannis is a prick or just pussy whipped.

Why not both?
 
2014-04-07 12:40:29 AM  

Wicked Chinchilla: I waited for a dance with dragons for about 4 months
for about 4 months
4 months


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2014-04-07 12:54:02 AM  

doglover: Wicked Chinchilla: I waited for a dance with dragons for about 4 months
for about 4 months
4 months

[i211.photobucket.com image 254x366]


I just bought the books, like, right now. Finally just decided to take the plunge. Gonna read them, maybe even take my time. Think about it, by the time I'm done, how long will I have to wait? Maybe a year? I mean... A whole year waiting for the book! What will THAT be like? God it'll be hard I bet. Who could wait that long for something they love?

/Cackles.
 
2014-04-07 12:57:06 AM  
I want 5 more seasons of the zany adventures of Arya and the Hound as they kill assholes from tavern to tavern in their travels.  But I know their run is about over :(  I know she hates him, but man she could learn a lot of shiat from him.  A whole damn lot.
 
2014-04-07 01:00:46 AM  

Will-Mun: doglover: Wicked Chinchilla: I waited for a dance with dragons for about 4 months
for about 4 months
4 months

[i211.photobucket.com image 254x366]

I just bought the books, like, right now. Finally just decided to take the plunge. Gonna read them, maybe even take my time. Think about it, by the time I'm done, how long will I have to wait? Maybe a year? I mean... A whole year waiting for the book! What will THAT be like? God it'll be hard I bet. Who could wait that long for something they love?

/Cackles.


Hehe, I'm actually thinking about picking up the books despite the fact that I don't get much time to read anymore. I figure if I can wait 6 years between Dark Tower books 3 and 4 and then another 6 between 4 and the rest of the books, I can wait a year or 3 for Martin to get off his ass and finish the series.
 
2014-04-07 01:02:49 AM  
Ok, I tried not to get sucked in to this show, but the dragons are adorable...
 
2014-04-07 01:13:35 AM  
I just want to see a Stark on the Throne

www.shirtrater.com
 
2014-04-07 01:17:54 AM  
 
2014-04-07 01:18:24 AM  
I like the new Dhario, big improvement over the old one.  Not a lot happened in this episode, but they needed to set the pieces in place for the rest of the season.  Even then we still didn't see what Stannis and Theon are up to.

They really need to bump up the number of episodes per season to 15 or 20 or make each one longer to cover things in greater detail.
 
2014-04-07 01:20:52 AM  

Will-Mun: doglover: Will-Mun: Are we ever gonna see Arya in an actual sword fight? Or was all that sword training in the first season just fluff?

Don't give me any of that 12 year old girl against a soldier stuff, her entire character arc is questing to become a great warrior.... Or die, George RR Martin and all.

In a sword fight, physics plays a big role. A much stronger opponent has an edge. An adult woman and an adult man have some serious disparity, on average. That's why Japanese samurai traditionally trained daughters to use pole weapons. Upper body strength is a lot less important with a naginata than a sword or club. Aria isn't even an adult, yet.

A 12 year old girl can't fight against a knight. It's just not possible. She doesn't have the reach to counter attack and she doesn't have the strength to parry or block a solid thrust or chop. They could just touch like counting coup until she dropped from exhaustion or put a single thrust through her from well out of her own range.

Martin might be into fantasy and fiction, but he's at least logical about the swordplay. No Bilbos fighting off an army of orcs with a letter opener.

I get what you're saying, I do. But I just don't care. In a world with dragons and little psychic boys who can see through thr eyes of a crow, the suspension of disbelief is allotted a ton of leeway.

As well I know in the books that Tyrion doesn't knock himself out before the  Battle of the Green Fork but fights, and was able to prove his merits (if I'm not mistaken it's why his barbarian friends follow him in the end.)

I really don't think it's much of a stretch between a 4 foot dwarf fighting in a war and a 12 year old girl, classically trained in sword fighting, being nimble enough with astiletto blade to make due against some soldiers.

I mean yeah it's not realistic, but it would be super cool.


It is one thing to have suspension of belief for magic and supernatural or fictional animals in a story that takes place in a realm where it has been established that those rules exists. But it is another thing to suspend belief to accept that a little girl can take out a soldier in a straight up sword fight. Unless they explain that she uses magic to do it somehow, then it is a little too much. I actually like how they are developing her into a killer. she is learning that she can't kill people straight up because she is too weak and not as good as they are at fighting. She is sitting back, observing and striking when she has an advantage and there is little chance of them being able to defend themselves.
 
2014-04-07 01:29:53 AM  

Arachnophobe: Wicked Chinchilla: then he finally gets to events again at the end of dance with dragons and we have some more years of waiting.

So Dance does pick up again? Because I don't know if I'm just overexposed (read Clash, Storm, Feast all in a row over the past month or so) or if it really is kind of dragging. I don't see how this can be spoilerish, but Tyrion was just dragged out of the river where I left off in Dance. Maybe I just needed a break.


I read that scene in the middle of the night. Creeped me out pretty bad.

I actually read book 1, some of book 2, then read Dance. Because I wanted to know what wasn't in the show yet, and didn't feel like reading Theon's storyline instead. Gonna go back soon. I actually didn't think Dance was too slow, but I did find that as soon as I got into one character, it was the end of a chapter, and I had to try and make myself care about someone else instead. It also would've probably been worse if I'd pushed through all the earlier books before letting myself read it.


Also, fark NEW DAARIO NAHARIS. He is not acceptable. That other guy was hot as hell. This guy doesn't even seem to know how to smirk.
 
2014-04-07 01:44:44 AM  

Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: Arya can murder anybody she wants because she is an heir to an organization that murders people for hire. That they wanted her in the first place is an acknowledgement that she is special.


Obviously, since that's a spoiler, so is the correction:

She isn't heir to shiat, the Faceless picked her up because she  didn't want to or try to become a warrior, she just killed the fark out of people in the most brutally practical way available to her, usually while dodging the blame.

Ideally, the Faceless training is supposed to destroy her individuality and turn her into a loyal drone, 'special' is exactly the opposite of the intent.  And she's not resisting the conditioning because she's a super-special snowflake, she's resisting because she's a warg with half her mind running around killing shiat on another continent, something that the Faceless have no way to deal with or even really understand.  They're not really  noticing that she's resisting the conditioning because the flaring-up of magic is amping both their own powers and those of many of their targets, so they have loads of shiat to deal with.

To put it in comic book terms, Arya is Deathlok; she's getting augmented into a perfect killing machine by people that don't have the control codes they think they have.  Well, and book Arya is straight-up, no apologies an irredeemable evil psychopath, so maybe more Frankenstein's monster.

// In the books Syrio completely failing to do anything whatsoever to a knight in real armor was actually part of the turning point in her character where she sort of decided that pointing things were a backup plan at best and that she'd stick to the "shove them off a cliff into a tank of sharks" method instead.
 
2014-04-07 01:52:50 AM  

doloresonthedottedline: That other guy was hot as hell. This guy doesn't even seem to know how to smirk.


www.glidemagazine.com
 
2014-04-07 02:04:16 AM  

rustypouch: I'm just looking forward to seeing the dwarf kill his Dad.


Dingleberry Dickwad: Will-Mun: doglover: Wicked Chinchilla: I waited for a dance with dragons for about 4 months
for about 4 months
4 months

[i211.photobucket.com image 254x366]

I just bought the books, like, right now. Finally just decided to take the plunge. Gonna read them, maybe even take my time. Think about it, by the time I'm done, how long will I have to wait? Maybe a year? I mean... A whole year waiting for the book! What will THAT be like? God it'll be hard I bet. Who could wait that long for something they love?

/Cackles.

Hehe, I'm actually thinking about picking up the books despite the fact that I don't get much time to read anymore. I figure if I can wait 6 years between Dark Tower books 3 and 4 and then another 6 between 4 and the rest of the books, I can wait a year or 3 for Martin to get off his ass and finish the series.


Lets just hope GRRM doesn't pull a Robert Jordan and die before he finishes the series.
 
2014-04-07 02:05:44 AM  

TuteTibiImperes: I like the new Dhario, big improvement over the old one.  Not a lot happened in this episode, but they needed to set the pieces in place for the rest of the season.  Even then we still didn't see what Stannis and Theon are up to.

They really need to bump up the number of episodes per season to 15 or 20 or make each one longer to cover things in greater detail.



Yeah, they really needed an episode just explaining everything that was on Sansa's breakfast table.

It's already one of, if not the most expensive show HBO has ever done. I wouldn't hold your breath on them increasing the episode count. They seem to be doing a good job of cutting out GRRM's meandering bullshiat and leaving in the important stuff.
 
2014-04-07 02:13:18 AM  

Danger Avoid Death: rustypouch: I'm just looking forward to seeing the dwarf kill his Dad.

Dingleberry Dickwad: Will-Mun: doglover: Wicked Chinchilla: I waited for a dance with dragons for about 4 months
for about 4 months
4 months

[i211.photobucket.com image 254x366]

I just bought the books, like, right now. Finally just decided to take the plunge. Gonna read them, maybe even take my time. Think about it, by the time I'm done, how long will I have to wait? Maybe a year? I mean... A whole year waiting for the book! What will THAT be like? God it'll be hard I bet. Who could wait that long for something they love?

/Cackles.

Hehe, I'm actually thinking about picking up the books despite the fact that I don't get much time to read anymore. I figure if I can wait 6 years between Dark Tower books 3 and 4 and then another 6 between 4 and the rest of the books, I can wait a year or 3 for Martin to get off his ass and finish the series.

Lets just hope GRRM doesn't pull a Robert Jordan and die before he finishes the series.


I'm fairly certain GRRM has stated he told the head writer or director or someone on the show's production team the basic remaining plot summary and ending for JUST such an occasion.
 
2014-04-07 02:14:23 AM  
the old daario sucked. MOST disliked him [the actor]. he looked goofy and his acting sucked.
i also thought id read back in January [?] the show dumped him because of such. [an article introducing new and replaced chars]

i like the new guy MUCH more.
 
2014-04-07 02:19:31 AM  

Will-Mun: Danger Avoid Death: rustypouch: I'm just looking forward to seeing the dwarf kill his Dad.

Dingleberry Dickwad: Will-Mun: doglover: Wicked Chinchilla: I waited for a dance with dragons for about 4 months
for about 4 months
4 months

[i211.photobucket.com image 254x366]

I just bought the books, like, right now. Finally just decided to take the plunge. Gonna read them, maybe even take my time. Think about it, by the time I'm done, how long will I have to wait? Maybe a year? I mean... A whole year waiting for the book! What will THAT be like? God it'll be hard I bet. Who could wait that long for something they love?

/Cackles.

Hehe, I'm actually thinking about picking up the books despite the fact that I don't get much time to read anymore. I figure if I can wait 6 years between Dark Tower books 3 and 4 and then another 6 between 4 and the rest of the books, I can wait a year or 3 for Martin to get off his ass and finish the series.

Lets just hope GRRM doesn't pull a Robert Jordan and die before he finishes the series.

I'm fairly certain GRRM has stated he told the head writer or director or someone on the show's production team the basic remaining plot summary and ending for JUST such an occasion.


Yeah, I read the same thing. Not so much in case of his death, but because it's taking him on average of five years for each book. Already we have the problem of Maisie Williams already being too old to play Arya, on paper, but I can't see them replacing her for any reason; she's just too damned amazing. If Peter Dinklage stole the first season, Maisie Williams stole the second. And she's only getting better.
 
2014-04-07 02:27:14 AM  

Will-Mun: Danger Avoid Death: rustypouch: I'm just looking forward to seeing the dwarf kill his Dad.

Dingleberry Dickwad: Will-Mun: doglover: Wicked Chinchilla: I waited for a dance with dragons for about 4 months
for about 4 months
4 months

[i211.photobucket.com image 254x366]

I just bought the books, like, right now. Finally just decided to take the plunge. Gonna read them, maybe even take my time. Think about it, by the time I'm done, how long will I have to wait? Maybe a year? I mean... A whole year waiting for the book! What will THAT be like? God it'll be hard I bet. Who could wait that long for something they love?

/Cackles.

Hehe, I'm actually thinking about picking up the books despite the fact that I don't get much time to read anymore. I figure if I can wait 6 years between Dark Tower books 3 and 4 and then another 6 between 4 and the rest of the books, I can wait a year or 3 for Martin to get off his ass and finish the series.

Lets just hope GRRM doesn't pull a Robert Jordan and die before he finishes the series.

I'm fairly certain GRRM has stated he told the head writer or director or someone on the show's production team the basic remaining plot summary and ending for JUST such an occasion.



Part of the initial agreement to pick up the show was that he disclose to Benioff and Weiss how the story ends. Considering the show costs upwards of $100 million a season, HBO is not going to wait on him. In all truth, when you think about how long it takes for them to take the books and map out the seasons, they can't.

Only thing that happens if he keeps stalling on the new book is the show goes on anyway and fanboys will whine about how unfair it is that they can't blab any more spoilers.
 
2014-04-07 02:33:16 AM  

Danger Avoid Death: Will-Mun: Danger Avoid Death: rustypouch: I'm just looking forward to seeing the dwarf kill his Dad.

Dingleberry Dickwad: Will-Mun: doglover: Wicked Chinchilla: I waited for a dance with dragons for about 4 months
for about 4 months
4 months

[i211.photobucket.com image 254x366]

I just bought the books, like, right now. Finally just decided to take the plunge. Gonna read them, maybe even take my time. Think about it, by the time I'm done, how long will I have to wait? Maybe a year? I mean... A whole year waiting for the book! What will THAT be like? God it'll be hard I bet. Who could wait that long for something they love?

/Cackles.

Hehe, I'm actually thinking about picking up the books despite the fact that I don't get much time to read anymore. I figure if I can wait 6 years between Dark Tower books 3 and 4 and then another 6 between 4 and the rest of the books, I can wait a year or 3 for Martin to get off his ass and finish the series.

Lets just hope GRRM doesn't pull a Robert Jordan and die before he finishes the series.

I'm fairly certain GRRM has stated he told the head writer or director or someone on the show's production team the basic remaining plot summary and ending for JUST such an occasion.

Yeah, I read the same thing. Not so much in case of his death, but because it's taking him on average of five years for each book. Already we have the problem of Maisie Williams already being too old to play Arya, on paper, but I can't see them replacing her for any reason; she's just too damned amazing. If Peter Dinklage stole the first season, Maisie Williams stole the second. And she's only getting better.


Optimistic take:
The time between books 1 and 2 & 2 and 3 was about 2 years each.  The problem with the time it took to write books 4&5 had to do with a 5 year gap GRRM originally intended to write, but then had to scrap followed by the "Meereenese knot".  If GRRM isn't dealing with a similar obstacle then the upcoming book shouldn't take as long as the previous two books.  I'd like to think the added motivation of not getting passed by the TV series would help, but who knows.
 
2014-04-07 02:39:10 AM  

phantomht: the old daario sucked. MOST disliked him [the actor]. he looked goofy and his acting sucked.
i also thought id read back in January [?] the show dumped him because of such. [an article introducing new and replaced chars]

i like the new guy MUCH more.


Are you a guy or a girl? I've seen a few people in this thread say they hate him, but every girl I know thinks he's ridiculously hot. And fits with Daario Naharis, who is cocky and arrogant and smirking and hot in that sort of way. Wondering if it's just a dude thing because the things they noticed about the character are just different.
 
2014-04-07 02:50:39 AM  
GRRM will never finish the series. When authors release "sample chapters" of a book in progress there's even odds that it's about all they've got written.
 
2014-04-07 03:11:13 AM  

Aeonite: GRRM will never finish the series. When authors release "sample chapters" of a book in progress there's even odds that it's about all they've got written.


I figured that when he started trying to float the idea of doing prequel seasons. Sure, Georgie. I'm sure HBO will have no problems putting the storyline of their most popular show on hold, risk losing key cast members whose careers are gaining traction, and risk having cast members become too old for the characters they play just to buy your fat ass more time to go to conventions and procrastinate even more.
 
2014-04-07 03:47:04 AM  

doloresonthedottedline: phantomht: the old daario sucked. MOST disliked him [the actor]. he looked goofy and his acting sucked.
i also thought id read back in January [?] the show dumped him because of such. [an article introducing new and replaced chars]

i like the new guy MUCH more.

Are you a guy or a girl? I've seen a few people in this thread say they hate him, but every girl I know thinks he's ridiculously hot. And fits with Daario Naharis, who is cocky and arrogant and smirking and hot in that sort of way. Wondering if it's just a dude thing because the things they noticed about the character are just different.


All I know is that he's supposed to be dressed as some medieval pimp daddy with blue hair.
 
2014-04-07 03:48:11 AM  

Aeonite: GRRM will never finish the series. When authors release "sample chapters" of a book in progress there's even odds that it's about all they've got written.


It's probably for the best, Dance was pretty bad already... or rather, there were like 5 chapters of actual plot in a 50ish-chapter book.

One of the reasons they're going to run into trouble with the TV series is that they're plotted coherently, whereas the books include more and more irrelevant rambling nonsense as they go on.  This means that as the books progress a given book will provide less and less material for the TV show, and the problem of the show catching up is going to accelerate as things go on.

If the trend continues he's going to hit his "Winter's Heart" in the next book or the one after, where some of the books are  entirely irrelevant time-wasting.  Probably better for him to just... stop, and then have someone do a novelization after the TV show comes up with an ending for it.  Otherwise we're going to get Lucas'd pretty soon as readers.
 
2014-04-07 03:58:15 AM  
is it possible that he's already finished the books and plans on releasing them to coincide with the HBO seasons?
 
2014-04-07 04:10:41 AM  

doglover: I just want to see a Stark on the Throne

[www.shirtrater.com image 550x550]


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2014-04-07 04:13:57 AM  

log_jammin: is it possible that he's already finished the books and plans on releasing them to coincide with the HBO seasons?


I would have to say absolutely not. Releasing the book in tandem with the new season is exactly the kind of stuff marketing execs cream their pants over. Think back to Spider-Man 3 where in the comics Spidey suddenly started wearing his black costume again. Think of Prince of Persia, where a new game from the Sands of Times series was released just in time for the Jake Gyllenhaal movie.

They don't care if the cross promotion matches or makes sense, just that there IS Cross promotion. The show will make people buy the book, and the book will make people watch the show. They're not gonna sit on it so the show can play "catch up."

Publishers, sit on MONEY? Are you crazy?
 
2014-04-07 04:16:18 AM  

Johnny Texas: Arya is a stone cold killer.



She gave her sword a name. She's a coont.
 
2014-04-07 04:20:06 AM  

Will-Mun: I would have to say absolutely not. Releasing the book in tandem with the new season is exactly the kind of stuff marketing execs cream their pants over. Think back to Spider-Man 3 where in the comics Spidey suddenly started wearing his black costume again. Think of Prince of Persia, where a new game from the Sands of Times series was released just in time for the Jake Gyllenhaal movie.

They don't care if the cross promotion matches or makes sense, just that there IS Cross promotion. The show will make people buy the book, and the book will make people watch the show. They're not gonna sit on it so the show can play "catch up."

Publishers, sit on MONEY? Are you crazy?


I don't mean the publishers are sitting on it, I mean Martin himself.
 
2014-04-07 04:28:03 AM  
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2014-04-07 05:26:51 AM  

doloresonthedottedline: phantomht: the old daario sucked. MOST disliked him [the actor]. he looked goofy and his acting sucked.
i also thought id read back in January [?] the show dumped him because of such. [an article introducing new and replaced chars]

i like the new guy MUCH more.

Are you a guy or a girl? I've seen a few people in this thread say they hate him, but every girl I know thinks he's ridiculously hot. And fits with Daario Naharis, who is cocky and arrogant and smirking and hot in that sort of way. Wondering if it's just a dude thing because the things they noticed about the character are just different.


Woman here, and the first Daario was incredibly not-hot.  (shudder) Farker looked like a lizard with hair.
 
2014-04-07 06:01:49 AM  

Will-Mun: log_jammin: is it possible that he's already finished the books and plans on releasing them to coincide with the HBO seasons?

I would have to say absolutely not. Releasing the book in tandem with the new season is exactly the kind of stuff marketing execs cream their pants over. Think back to Spider-Man 3 where in the comics Spidey suddenly started wearing his black costume again. Think of Prince of Persia, where a new game from the Sands of Times series was released just in time for the Jake Gyllenhaal movie.

They don't care if the cross promotion matches or makes sense, just that there IS Cross promotion. The show will make people buy the book, and the book will make people watch the show. They're not gonna sit on it so the show can play "catch up."

Publishers, sit on MONEY? Are you crazy?


He's still a good two seasons or more ahead of the show. Hemight be ready to release it by then.
 
2014-04-07 07:13:36 AM  

doloresonthedottedline: Are you a guy or a girl? I've seen a few people in this thread say they hate him, but every girl I know thinks he's ridiculously hot. And fits with Daario Naharis, who is cocky and arrogant and smirking and hot in that sort of way. Wondering if it's just a dude thing because the things they noticed about the character are just different.


I might be the odd dude out on this, but I agree.  Neither Daario looks right, but the old one had the ultra-alpha male confidence that was a key trait of the character in the books.  The new one seems way too wishy-washy and soft-spoken by comparison.
 
2014-04-07 07:27:46 AM  
I'm a straight guy, but while watching this video (about the 5:50 mark) I found myself nodding in agreement about the first actor playing Daario.
 
2014-04-07 07:37:14 AM  
Spoilery question:


Was the necklace that Ser Dontos gave Sansa the same one that Oleana tossed over the side of the wall?
 
2014-04-07 07:37:54 AM  

Cheesehead_Dave: Was the necklace that Ser Dontos gave Sansa the same one that Oleana tossed over the side of the wall?


no.
 
2014-04-07 07:57:10 AM  

GungFu: doglover: I just want to see a Stark on the Throne

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"M'lords, I've just privitized the Seven Kingdoms."
 
2014-04-07 08:05:22 AM  

Polish Hussar: [img.fark.net image 500x200]


Best scene of the episode.
 
2014-04-07 09:05:51 AM  
The new Daario got Mrs Fap Session's seal of approval.
 
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