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(The Hollywood Reporter)   Game of Thrones returns tonight after the tragic events of the Red Wedding. Will Joffrey's wedding go off without a hitch? Will Jamie lend a hand? Will Hodor Hodor? Find out tonight at 9PM ET on HBO. It's your Official GOT discussion thread   (hollywoodreporter.com) divider line 245
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2014-04-06 09:55:14 PM
Arya and the Hound should get a spin off series.
 
2014-04-06 09:57:10 PM
I'm just looking forward to seeing the dwarf kill his Dad.
 
2014-04-06 09:57:20 PM
Holy shiat, sword to the taint.
 
2014-04-06 09:57:22 PM
I decided to watch Cosmos instead. NDT just explained quantum mechanics and my brain is full of fark.
 
2014-04-06 09:57:48 PM
Are we ever gonna see Arya in an actual sword fight? Or was all that sword training in the first season just fluff?

Don't give me any of that 12 year old girl against a soldier stuff, her entire character arc is questing to become a great warrior.... Or die, George RR Martin and all.
 
2014-04-06 09:57:54 PM
Love that chicken.
 
2014-04-06 09:58:28 PM
Arya is a stone cold killer.
 
2014-04-06 09:59:19 PM
Not as psychotic as murdering the tickler but not bad.
 
2014-04-06 09:59:41 PM
So all of the violence in tonight's episode was over some KFC.
 
2014-04-06 09:59:43 PM

Will-Mun: Johnny Texas: Cymbal: LOL, seriously?

Yep

http://www.bustle.com/articles/19185-what-happened-to-game-of-throne s- daario-naharis-why-the-actor-changed-for-season-4

Now that is a man who sees an upward Career Path.


The cast of Game of Thrones is enormous, and the shooting schedule is very long. With the exception of Emilia Clark, Kit Harrington, and a handful of others, I'd bet that most of the cast are not making that much money relatively.

Can't fault the guy for taking a payday.
 
2014-04-06 10:00:55 PM

Johnny Texas: Arya is a stone cold killer.


Scratch that emo shiat. There's a new badass kid in town on Sunday nights.
 
2014-04-06 10:01:28 PM
Time to see if Silicon Valley is worth a damn.
 
2014-04-06 10:03:59 PM

OtherLittleGuy: Johnny Texas: Arya is a stone cold killer.

Scratch that emo shiat. There's a new badass kid in town on Sunday nights.


New? Arya has been a badass since episode 1. I really hope she joins up with the Face Men and becomes a super shadow assassin.
 
2014-04-06 10:04:59 PM

Johnny Texas: So all of the violence in tonight's episode was over some KFC.


Nah violence like that only occurs for popeye's
 
2014-04-06 10:06:58 PM
Dragons already?  Budget's done for the season.
 
2014-04-06 10:07:04 PM
Ahhhh, that's the fix I needed
 
2014-04-06 10:08:44 PM

SithLord: Dragons already?  Budget's done for the season.


Yeah, thats gonna happen. We've been teasing the Dragons and White Walkers for THREE SEASONS. And we only got SOME payoff for the White Walkers at the end of last season.
 
2014-04-06 10:09:36 PM

elguerodiablo: What did papa jerk Lannister just put in the fire?


Pretty sure it was the wolf pelt that Ned Stark wrapped his  Valyrian steel great sword in.
 
2014-04-06 10:13:53 PM
This next week's going to be really hard...I so, so want the second episode right now.
 
2014-04-06 10:17:06 PM
So if the wedding is next week, that means Joffery strangles Sansa to death at the wedding (Purple wedding) and Tyrion snaps and attacks him.  Should be a good episode
 
2014-04-06 10:17:59 PM

crazydave023: New Dario Naharis? Not as handsome or as good an actor. Not off to a good start HBO.

Probably contract dispute


:( i loved the original actor they had playing him. Was not pleased to find out he's been replaced
 
2014-04-06 10:21:47 PM
He can un-zone himself with me any damn time he feels like it.  C'mere Jorah, you poor misunderstood man, you...

Johnny Texas: Lord Friend Zone appears.

 
2014-04-06 10:22:33 PM

dopekitty74: crazydave023: New Dario Naharis? Not as handsome or as good an actor. Not off to a good start HBO.

Probably contract dispute

:( i loved the original actor they had playing him. Was not pleased to find out he's been replaced


EWWWWWW that guy looked like a retarded sci-fi vampire. I didn't care who they got to replace him, it's an improvement.
 
2014-04-06 10:22:36 PM

Jerseysteve22: So if the wedding is next week, that means Joffery strangles Sansa to death at the wedding (Purple wedding) and Tyrion snaps and attacks him.  Should be a good episode


No, idiot. If you'd read the books, you'd know that next week, Joffrey will pistol whip Dreidelstar, Carburetor, and Ibuprofen, setting up the next great war between kingdoms.

God, learn to read.

/I've read the books. I just thought you all need to know that.
 
2014-04-06 10:22:39 PM

Johnny Texas: Arya is a stone cold killer.


Carl's got some competition.
 
2014-04-06 10:24:43 PM

Jerseysteve22: Sansa


You're an asshole. I had to look up if that happened and got spoiled to what actually happens.

...Prick.
 
2014-04-06 10:26:27 PM

Langston: Ahhhh, that's the fix I needed


And how!
 
2014-04-06 10:29:35 PM

OtherLittleGuy: Nefarious: And now, On the Road with Arya and the Hound.

I have the uneasy feeling that, by midseason, she'll be on the roof eating pudding and going emo.


Hound:  Look at the flowers, Arya.  Look at the flowers.
 
2014-04-06 10:31:02 PM

Jerseysteve22: So if the wedding is next week, that means Joffery strangles Sansa to death at the wedding (Purple wedding) and Tyrion snaps and attacks him.  Should be a good episode


that's not very nice, making fake spoilers like that.

besides, everyone knows that tyrion is the one who gets strangled to death at the wedding, right after sansa stabs cersei and joffrey kills tywin and he poops gold just like everyone says.
 
2014-04-06 10:31:09 PM
Ser Yarp goes Leeroy Jenkins.

/at least he's got chicken
 
2014-04-06 10:38:13 PM

enderthexenocide: Jerseysteve22: So if the wedding is next week, that means Joffery strangles Sansa to death at the wedding (Purple wedding) and Tyrion snaps and attacks him.  Should be a good episode

that's not very nice, making fake spoilers like that.

besides, everyone knows that tyrion is the one who gets strangled to death at the wedding, right after sansa stabs cersei and joffrey kills tywin and he poops gold just like everyone says.


Don't forget about the resurrected Robb Stark!
 
2014-04-06 10:44:37 PM

Ravijn: enderthexenocide: Jerseysteve22: So if the wedding is next week, that means Joffery strangles Sansa to death at the wedding (Purple wedding) and Tyrion snaps and attacks him.  Should be a good episode

that's not very nice, making fake spoilers like that.

besides, everyone knows that tyrion is the one who gets strangled to death at the wedding, right after sansa stabs cersei and joffrey kills tywin and he poops gold just like everyone says.

Don't forget about the resurrected Robb Stark!


As long as they don't forget the Margery/Ygritte pillow fight scene, I'm tuning in.
 
2014-04-06 10:46:50 PM
Anya getting her revenge murder on was very satisfying.
 
2014-04-06 10:47:03 PM

stoli n coke: Ravijn: enderthexenocide: Jerseysteve22: So if the wedding is next week, that means Joffery strangles Sansa to death at the wedding (Purple wedding) and Tyrion snaps and attacks him.  Should be a good episode

that's not very nice, making fake spoilers like that.

besides, everyone knows that tyrion is the one who gets strangled to death at the wedding, right after sansa stabs cersei and joffrey kills tywin and he poops gold just like everyone says.

Don't forget about the resurrected Robb Stark!

As long as they don't forget the Margery/Ygritte pillow fight scene, I'm tuning in.


i.imgur.com
 
2014-04-06 10:49:48 PM

elguerodiablo: What did papa jerk Lannister just put in the fire?


I believe the wolf pelt he threw in at the end was the sheath for Ned Starks sword.  You can see it here in a pic from the very first episode.  The sword was so big Theon had to hold it while Ned drew it:

imageshack.com
 
2014-04-06 10:51:06 PM

jocutus: elguerodiablo: What did papa jerk Lannister just put in the fire?

I believe the wolf pelt he threw in at the end was the sheath for Ned Starks sword.  You can see it here in a pic from the very first episode.  The sword was so big Theon had to hold it while Ned drew it:

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Good call.
 
2014-04-06 10:53:41 PM

elguerodiablo: Good call.


By the time I found a pic Baryogenesis had already called it.
 
2014-04-06 10:55:08 PM

Will-Mun: Are we ever gonna see Arya in an actual sword fight? Or was all that sword training in the first season just fluff?

Don't give me any of that 12 year old girl against a soldier stuff, her entire character arc is questing to become a great warrior.... Or die, George RR Martin and all.


In a sword fight, physics plays a big role. A much stronger opponent has an edge. An adult woman and an adult man have some serious disparity, on average. That's why Japanese samurai traditionally trained daughters to use pole weapons. Upper body strength is a lot less important with a naginata than a sword or club. Aria isn't even an adult, yet.

A 12 year old girl can't fight against a knight. It's just not possible. She doesn't have the reach to counter attack and she doesn't have the strength to parry or block a solid thrust or chop. They could just touch like counting coup until she dropped from exhaustion or put a single thrust through her from well out of her own range.

Martin might be into fantasy and fiction, but he's at least logical about the swordplay. No Bilbos fighting off an army of orcs with a letter opener.
 
2014-04-06 10:56:20 PM
Spoiler Alert !!!!!!

Some really bad shiat is going to happen....
 
2014-04-06 10:57:14 PM
Yay new locations in the opening scenes, Bronn, dragons, Arya, bringing back those assy guys at the Night's Watch.
 Meh new Daario


I never hated Tywin Lannister until he threw the pelt in the fire.

What the hell happened to Lancel??!?  Book Cersei gets herself a lot of man-loving. After Lancel she sleeps around with upstart knights. Has TV Cersei been boffing Ser Meryn? That would be hilariously disgusting.
 
2014-04-06 11:07:01 PM
I've read the books, and just restarted the series tonight after watching a retrospective on season three, because fun stuff starts to happen. It's come a long way since the first season, where I could only tell what was going on was because I'd already read the books. The changes that seem to have been made have made not only the show better, but the overall story if ASOIAF.
 
2014-04-06 11:09:20 PM

Will-Mun: Jerseysteve22: Sansa

You're an asshole. I had to look up if that happened and got spoiled to what actually happens.

...Prick.


mashable.com
 
2014-04-06 11:12:45 PM

Egalitarian: Yay new locations in the opening scenes, Bronn, dragons, Arya, bringing back those assy guys at the Night's Watch.
 Meh new Daario


I never hated Tywin Lannister until he threw the pelt in the fire.

What the hell happened to Lancel??!?  Book Cersei gets herself a lot of man-loving. After Lancel she sleeps around with upstart knights. Has TV Cersei been boffing Ser Meryn? That would be hilariously disgusting.


Guilt ridden, he joins a holy order, IIRC....
 
2014-04-06 11:16:41 PM
Egalitarian:

What the hell happened to Lancel??!?  Book Cersei gets herself a lot of man-loving. After Lancel she sleeps around with upstart knights. Has TV Cersei been boffing Ser Meryn? That would be hilariously disgusting.

HBO can't afford TV Cersei's boobs
 
2014-04-06 11:20:21 PM

doglover: Will-Mun: Are we ever gonna see Arya in an actual sword fight? Or was all that sword training in the first season just fluff?

Don't give me any of that 12 year old girl against a soldier stuff, her entire character arc is questing to become a great warrior.... Or die, George RR Martin and all.

In a sword fight, physics plays a big role. A much stronger opponent has an edge. An adult woman and an adult man have some serious disparity, on average. That's why Japanese samurai traditionally trained daughters to use pole weapons. Upper body strength is a lot less important with a naginata than a sword or club. Aria isn't even an adult, yet.

A 12 year old girl can't fight against a knight. It's just not possible. She doesn't have the reach to counter attack and she doesn't have the strength to parry or block a solid thrust or chop. They could just touch like counting coup until she dropped from exhaustion or put a single thrust through her from well out of her own range.

Martin might be into fantasy and fiction, but he's at least logical about the swordplay. No Bilbos fighting off an army of orcs with a letter opener.


I get what you're saying, I do. But I just don't care. In a world with dragons and little psychic boys who can see through thr eyes of a crow, the suspension of disbelief is allotted a ton of leeway.

As well I know in the books that Tyrion doesn't knock himself out before the  Battle of the Green Fork but fights, and was able to prove his merits (if I'm not mistaken it's why his barbarian friends follow him in the end.)

I really don't think it's much of a stretch between a 4 foot dwarf fighting in a war and a 12 year old girl, classically trained in sword fighting, being nimble enough with a
stiletto blade to make due against some soldiers.

I mean yeah it's not realistic, but it would be super cool.
 
2014-04-06 11:20:38 PM

AttawaYawattA: Egalitarian:

What the hell happened to Lancel??!?  Book Cersei gets herself a lot of man-loving. After Lancel she sleeps around with upstart knights. Has TV Cersei been boffing Ser Meryn? That would be hilariously disgusting.

HBO can't afford TV Cersei's boobs


You just wait for the Dance with Dragons for that.
 
2014-04-06 11:24:54 PM

Will-Mun: doglover: Will-Mun: Are we ever gonna see Arya in an actual sword fight? Or was all that sword training in the first season just fluff?

Don't give me any of that 12 year old girl against a soldier stuff, her entire character arc is questing to become a great warrior.... Or die, George RR Martin and all.

In a sword fight, physics plays a big role. A much stronger opponent has an edge. An adult woman and an adult man have some serious disparity, on average. That's why Japanese samurai traditionally trained daughters to use pole weapons. Upper body strength is a lot less important with a naginata than a sword or club. Aria isn't even an adult, yet.

A 12 year old girl can't fight against a knight. It's just not possible. She doesn't have the reach to counter attack and she doesn't have the strength to parry or block a solid thrust or chop. They could just touch like counting coup until she dropped from exhaustion or put a single thrust through her from well out of her own range.

Martin might be into fantasy and fiction, but he's at least logical about the swordplay. No Bilbos fighting off an army of orcs with a letter opener.

I get what you're saying, I do. But I just don't care. In a world with dragons and little psychic boys who can see through thr eyes of a crow, the suspension of disbelief is allotted a ton of leeway.

As well I know in the books that Tyrion doesn't knock himself out before the  Battle of the Green Fork but fights, and was able to prove his merits (if I'm not mistaken it's why his barbarian friends follow him in the end.)

I really don't think it's much of a stretch between a 4 foot dwarf fighting in a war and a 12 year old girl, classically trained in sword fighting, being nimble enough with astiletto blade to make due against some soldiers.

I mean yeah it's not realistic, but it would be super cool.


Arya wants to kill. Arya knows how to kill. Arya is special.
 
KIA
2014-04-06 11:38:12 PM
Bodes well for the season.
 
2014-04-06 11:46:41 PM

Forbidden Doughnut: Egalitarian: Yay new locations in the opening scenes, Bronn, dragons, Arya, bringing back those assy guys at the Night's Watch.
 Meh new Daario


I never hated Tywin Lannister until he threw the pelt in the fire.

What the hell happened to Lancel??!?  Book Cersei gets herself a lot of man-loving. After Lancel she sleeps around with upstart knights. Has TV Cersei been boffing Ser Meryn? That would be hilariously disgusting.

Guilt ridden, he joins a holy order, IIRC....


this is true, but I thought it took a while. We should at least get the pleasure of Lancel cringing around Jaime.
 
2014-04-06 11:55:58 PM

Will-Mun: being nimble enough with astiletto blade to make due against some soldiers.


Don't you worry about Arya. But learn you some basic fencing.

No one is nimble enough to footwork around someone at a distance faster than a capable fighter can use a shield. It's like the spokes trying to outrun the hub of a wheel. You can get around a shield with your weapon, or crash through it, or step around behind someone up close, but you'll never get an opening until you're up close.

Secondly, Needle is a tiny little thing. It's for a young girl to practice with. It's a smaller version of the sword the soldiers would be using. Her range is already crap because she's smaller, and her weapon reduces this even further. Miyamoto Musashi won his most famous duel by using a wooden sword that was a few fingers' widths longer than his opponent's famously long steel sword. Range matters.

Third, Arya practiced with intensity for about a month. Soldiers practice with intensity for about a forever. Especially in Westros were war is both the national sport and soldier their only occupation other than farmer, blacksmith, lord, whore, and maester.

She's got every disadvantage in a sword fight with a soldier. Sure, she could probably beat Samwell Tarley or Maester Aemon without breaking a sweat, but any given soldier would beat her in a fair fight. And that's why you never fight fair.
 
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